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  • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/29/2008 7:42:41 PM

    The majority of the germans did NOT PARTICIPATE in the holocaust! The regret is that there were so many deaths, not about success or failure on either side. Yes, it was a horrible, dark, unforgivable time in history. This is the first time I've heard about anyone "blaming the victims". So far from the truth! Inspite of what you have experienced, most germans are pretty liberal and accepting of other religions and nationalities. The world is simply too small!

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/01/2008 12:49:19 PM

      "The majority of the germans did NOT PARTICIPATE in the holocaust!"

      No, they just let it happen.

      • Posted By: elisabethangel @ 12/04/2008 11:47:48 PM

        "The majority of the germans did NOT PARTICIPATE in the holocaust!"

        "No, they just let it happen."

        There was no "Holocaust." It was a gigantic criminal fraud, as more and more people are realizing every day; get used to it.

        • Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 12/05/2008 3:05:42 PM

          Since my stepfather and my father-in-law both served during WWII, I will take their life experience to be more factual than the artificial literature you are trying to promote.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 2:53:14 PM

            Excellent! Thank you for posting this. You must be proud.

        • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/18/2008 9:21:05 AM

          Get used to it? If your assertions weren't so terrible stupid, cruel and offensive, they would be laughable.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 12:11:51 PM

            Ditto. Good comment! Forty-did you go read that article I gave you the link to? Please do. Nothing intense, I am only trying to explain something.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 12:09:36 PM

          OMG! Are for real? If you truly believe this, you are no angel!

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/05/2008 10:31:07 AM

          Liar. It was the most documented event in human history. I will take the word of Eisenhower and Patton (and the films they made) over the jabberings of a neo-Nazi.

      • Posted By: valark @ 12/04/2008 2:07:44 PM

        Nice of you to judge, I don't see your solution.

        • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/18/2008 9:06:40 AM

          That wasn't a judgment, it was fact.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/04/2008 3:23:51 PM

          Solution to what?

  • Posted By: FriedrichPaulBerg @ 12/03/2008 12:02:37 AM

    The ???real??? mass murderers and the ultimate genocidal maniacs were, and still are, the United States and Britain. During World War 2, the US and Britain deliberately murdered well over a million totally innocent civilians, mostly women and children, by deliberately ???roasting??? them to death (Curtis LeMay loved that terminology) with massive, incendiary air attacks. America even used napalm???and eventually nuclear weapons as well to deliberately ???roast??? women and children to death. Mass gassings by the Nazis, those mythical crimes, would have been humane and merciful compared to what the US and Britain actually did and about which there is no dispute. Contrary to widely-held but false belief, it was the British who had begun the cowardly air war against civilians, not Germany, in 1940???with encouragement from the US even though the US was technically still neutral. In spite of having the largest empire in human history and the support of the United States with its nearly total domination of the entire western hemisphere and vast human and material resources, the mass murder of Axis civilians was widely recognized and accepted as an essential part of Allied strategy because Allied ground forces were simply no match for the brilliance and prowess of the small German army and its allies. But instead of even trying to make peace, the Allies resorted to terror. The Allied demand was for total ???unconditional surrender.??? Terrorism is firmly embedded in American and British modern military performance and that, in turn, makes the current furor about al-Qaida atrocities laughable. America and Britain have simply been given a small taste of their own medicine.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/04/2008 3:23:06 PM

      "The ???real??? mass murderers and the ultimate genocidal maniacs were, and still are, the United States and Britain. "

      Oh, of course. The Germans and Japanese were just trying to have a good time, right?

      • Posted By: elisabethangel @ 12/04/2008 11:33:17 PM

        "Comment: "The ???real??? mass murderers and the ultimate genocidal maniacs were, and still are, the United States and Britain. "

        Oh, of course. The Germans and Japanese were just trying to have a good time, right?"

        Actually, they were just trying to defend themselves. England and France declared war on Germany; and the USA embargoed oil and other essential goods to overcrowded Japan so that their people were looking at mass starvation and death if nothing were done to break the embargo (this is recognized by experts as an attack against the targeted country and legitimate grounds for war).

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 12:25:31 PM

          Were the Germans just trying to defend themselves from the 6 million Jews they gassed and then cremated? They tortured them, used them as gunea pigs for their scientifc studies..they broke their legs to see how they would heal, they perfprmed lobotomies on them! Then they starved them daily, they beat them, they demeaned them and sent them to their mass graves as if they were animals! They used their hair to stuff matresses with They pulled their gold teeth out and had them melted! Sick evil people and you come here and defend their actions that they were only defending themselves. As for the Japanese, they attacked us! Do yourself a favor, please, stop letting yourself be brainwashed by all the lies in the books you read.

          • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/18/2008 1:24:27 PM

            Hello Pia! Great points. These people astound me. To say England and France declared war on Germany is so absurd it defies logic. However, no one but Neo Nazis think they are logical! Lol

            I found the link you told me about. Thanks... I left you a message.

            • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/18/2008 1:47:39 PM

              I need to reword that. To say England and France declared war on Germany for no reason, and Germany was just defending itself as elisabethangel suggests, is absurd. Hitler had just signed an agreement saying he wouldn't invade Poland, then did so soon after. Hitler wanted all of Europe, and would have "defended himself" by invading every country there to get it.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 2:13:54 PM

                Hitlar was a psyschotic murderous traitor and a coward. He dragged that other looney from my country, Benito Mussolini into that insane scheme of his and then betrayed him.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 2:51:47 PM

                  Correction- sorry, typo. HITLER. Want to make sure I get my message across so that the murderous one gets credit.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 2:11:24 PM

              Hi Forty- These posters are making me ill and very disheartened. I thought we were past this because we know it's the truth. For anyone to deny the Holocaust is completely heartless and negligent.

              Thank you for the post you left me on that article. Left you a reply, thank you. Btw, try the vitamin.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/05/2008 10:27:33 AM

          "Actually, they were just trying to defend themselves."

          By invading the Sudatenland and Poland? LMAO. I always heard that there were still Nazi sympathyzers, but I've never actually run into one until now.

  • Posted By: Spiva1 @ 12/04/2008 11:59:50 PM

    Comment: "Now if you could just learn to do independent research and evaluate materials for yourself - as apposed to reading only what the Powers That Be tell you are "proper history books" - you might evolve to be a responsible member of society instead of a supine yea-sayer."

    I have conducted my own research and I am convinced that the Holocaust took place, that man has landed on the moon and that the tooth fairy is not real.

    Are you Mel Gibson's sister in leaderhosen??

    • Posted By: elisabethangel @ 12/06/2008 3:52:10 PM

      Oh yes - in "proper" history books, no doubt.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 12:37:15 PM

        Proper history books. What a joke.

  • Posted By: FriedrichPaulBerg @ 12/03/2008 12:00:33 AM

    The ???real??? mass murderers and the ultimate genocidal maniacs were, and still are, the United States and Britain. During World War 2, the US and Britain deliberately murdered well over a million totally innocent civilians, mostly women and children, by deliberately ???roasting??? them to death (Curtis LeMay loved that terminology) with massive, incendiary air attacks. America even used napalm???and eventually nuclear weapons as well to deliberately ???roast??? women and children to death. Mass gassings by the Nazis, those mythical crimes, would have been humane and merciful compared to what the US and Britain actually did and about which there is no dispute. Contrary to widely-held but false belief, it was the British who had begun the cowardly air war against civilians, not Germany, in 1940???with encouragement from the US even though the US was technically still neutral. In spite of having the largest empire in human history and the support of the United States with its nearly total domination of the entire western hemisphere and vast human and material resources, the mass murder of Axis civilians was widely recognized and accepted as an essential part of Allied strategy because Allied ground forces were simply no match for the brilliance and prowess of the small German army and its allies. But instead of even trying to make peace, the Allies resorted to terror. The Allied demand was for total ???unconditional surrender.??? Terrorism is firmly embedded in American and British modern military performance and that, in turn, makes the current furor about al-Qaida atrocities laughable. America and Britain have simply been given a small taste of their own medicine.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 12:17:24 PM

      God help us. Another one .

  • Posted By: champagneleader @ 12/03/2008 8:54:16 PM

    In coming up with a story to explain the boatload of Holocaust films for the holidays, Insdorf mistakenly includes VALKYRIE which is an out and out thriller about a plot to kill Hitler. It really has nothing to do with the mass murder of Jews and other Nazi undesirables. Yes, Hitler, is present, but the star of his piece is Prussian German officer with a conscience who helps implement a military operation to kill Hitler.

    • Posted By: mrtimely @ 12/17/2008 1:02:20 PM

      Finally, someone who really has a sensible posting, just because a film is about ww2, does not mean that it is about the Holocaust. The Holocaust was specific to Jew extermination.
      And please, lets not get in every actual and perceived human disaster event in ww2, lets keep in on 1 topic.

  • Posted By: anney6 @ 12/15/2008 8:18:13 PM

    mondo13, you appear to be an ill-informed, possible White Supremist, looking to make the Holocaust a worthy cause. If you were iny possible manner an educated person you would not have posted such drivel. I have been to Dachau and seen all of the horrors the Nazis recorded themselves. If you would really like to know what Hitler intended read "Mein Kampf" (My Struggle) where he outlines all of his intentions. Regardless of how you see Jewish people, no culture or group deserves the atrocities of the Holocaust. Stay off of the Conspiracy Theorist sites and use only credible sources before you choose to rant like a fool again...I apologize to all the survivors who may have read mondo13's postings....

  • Posted By: mondo13 @ 12/15/2008 4:54:04 PM



    I think there should be a film made about the 11,000+ people who have been imprisoned, beaten, bombed, tortured, etc., for researching the Holocaust legend during the past 2 decades and finding out facts that were not exactly as told by the powers that be. Canadians, Americans, Australians, and Europeans have been kidnapped from their homes and countries and dragged to Austria and Germany to be charged and jailed. This goes against just about every law in a free democracy. Even the lawyers that represented these people in court, were also arrested. How insane is that?

    One man, was kidnapped from his home in Tennessee, jailed in Canada for 2 years in solitary confinement, then flown to Germany where he was sentenced to 5 years. All of this for simply publishing a book about Aushwitz that didn't agree with the 4 million dead figure at that time. Sure enough, the 4 million figure was changed to just over 1 million. Despite this, the man was still imprisoned. Not to mention his lawyer! THat is the real story of today and the Holocaust.

    Norman Finklestein was right. Finklestein's own parents were in Aushwitz, but because he told the truth in his book, "The Holocaust Industry", he was persecuted by the ADL who went on a campaign to have him fired from his profession as a college professor at DePaul. This is the real story that needs to be told. We have 100's of Holocaust museums and movies already, with no end in sight for the future.

  • Posted By: mondo13 @ 12/15/2008 4:53:54 PM



    I think there should be a film made about the 11,000+ people who have been imprisoned, beaten, bombed, tortured, etc., for researching the Holocaust legend during the past 2 decades and finding out facts that were not exactly as told by the powers that be. Canadians, Americans, Australians, and Europeans have been kidnapped from their homes and countries and dragged to Austria and Germany to be charged and jailed. This goes against just about every law in a free democracy. Even the lawyers that represented these people in court, were also arrested. How insane is that?

    One man, was kidnapped from his home in Tennessee, jailed in Canada for 2 years in solitary confinement, then flown to Germany where he was sentenced to 5 years. All of this for simply publishing a book about Aushwitz that didn't agree with the 4 million dead figure at that time. Sure enough, the 4 million figure was changed to just over 1 million. Despite this, the man was still imprisoned. Not to mention his lawyer! THat is the real story of today and the Holocaust.

    Norman Finklestein was right. Finklestein's own parents were in Aushwitz, but because he told the truth in his book, "The Holocaust Industry", he was persecuted by the ADL who went on a campaign to have him fired from his profession as a college professor at DePaul. This is the real story that needs to be told. We have 100's of Holocaust museums and movies already, with no end in sight for the future.

  • Posted By: fizeit @ 12/10/2008 1:37:22 PM

    I am utterly and profoundly shocked by the negationist garbage in many of these comments. Am I dreaming? Is Newsweek, a respectable publication, actually sanctioning these hate-filled lies? They all should be under "Report Abuse." and by the way, never never debate a negationist. That only dignifies their vile contentions. But education, education, and more education. and some serious soul-searching among the innocents who might believe these reprehensible falsification of history.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 12/05/2008 3:42:16 PM

    I dunno. Obviously ''The Holocaust'' an ABC miniseries aired in the late 1970s with Meryl Streep and James Woods was an early Hollywood foray into the effects of the Shoah at large upon the European Jewish population. Televsion adaptations in the 1980s of Herman Wouks '' The Winds of War'' also dealt with Jewish concentration camp life and death. ''Mila 18'', ''Jakob The Liar'',''Triumph of the Will'', ''Sobibor'', placed the historical Jew into a central role[whether or not lead characters were played by gentiles] of resistance,survival,or death at the hands of the Nazis[ A term which is used generically to describe Germans as a whole in or out of uniform during the period. ''Valkyrie'' Tom Cruises Col.Claus von Stauffenberg for instance,was not a Nazi. He never joined the party,typical of the largely apolitical Werhmacht,despite their having hands in atrocities convened by Nazi party members in the SS,SD,or ABWEHR[security services]. Such instances would become a fulcrum of the bomb plot against Hitler that was eventually organized among resistance cadres including Stauffenberg that were a portion of the German army.
    The avowal of ignorance by the German people of what was occurring literally under their noses[as the stench eminating from the death camps was completely unavoidable], intrigued US Army officer [and Jew] Theodore Geisel [''Dr Seuss''] then working in Europe on a postwar [late-1945] army propaganda film ''Your Job In Germany''. How could denial so pervade an entire national consciousness? At what point does the human mind not merely recoil from horror but seek to erase it? Hollywood can find answers among those Jews who served as ''Capos'',and other positions within the camps that forced these to turn upon their own people and from studying the period German in direct proximity of the death camps [indeed,creating the basis for storyline from interviews of the children of camp commanders and guards within the camps themselves].

  • Posted By: expatincebu @ 11/29/2008 5:47:31 PM

    The holocaust was a terrible thing indeed. That said, the Jews that control much of Hollywood have used it as a propaganda piece to justify evil Zionism and to keep the American public supportive of Israel as it wages apartheid, ethnic cleansing, holocaust, and outright genocide against the Palestinians.

    I know I will be accused of being a Muslim and an Arab, as if those things were crimes, and any number of post will use the old Nazi right wing tactic of 'blaming the victim'. Anything is acceptable to the rabid supporters of the terrorist state of Israel. EXCEPT THE TRUTH.

    All I can say is watching the criminal actions of Israel gives understanding and sympathy to the Germans who participated in the holocaust, and regret that they did not succeed.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/04/2008 3:24:29 PM

      "All I can say is watching the criminal actions of Israel gives understanding and sympathy to the Germans who participated in the holocaust, and regret that they did not succeed."

      Wow.

  • Posted By: BigJoe099 @ 12/02/2008 10:19:29 PM

    Judging by reader comments it looks like America has finally awaken from its slumber. Now it is time to wrest ourselves free from this bad dream and from those that wish to control our lives and thinking. The concept of a $Holocaust$ was a tool and they had gotten pretty much what they wanted - but that is not enough. They don't even know what they want, but the want more nevertheless. Yes, people died in Nazi camps - principally from malnutrition, disease, and old age. Yes, some were executed - all 6m, 10m, 12m? Waiting for hard proof - a plot of land that contains bodies equivalent to NYC!! That's quite a big piece of property(ies) that no one had dug-up. Don't give me stories of "survivors" who've been through "gas chambers" 5 or 6 times or "witnesses" poetically waxing on seeing relatives sent to such chambers. Common sense stuff folks. We should move on and tackle current issues such as Palestinian internment or genocide.

  • Posted By: marquisdesloth @ 12/02/2008 6:25:50 PM

    Maybe Hollywood can make a movie about the Jewish Southern slave owners back in America's heyday .
    I am sure that would be a hit !!!

  • Posted By: marquisdesloth @ 12/02/2008 6:22:25 PM

    Maybe they can make a movie about all the Jewish Southern slave owners. That would make an awesome movie !!!

  • Posted By: Dr. DanChap @ 12/02/2008 6:22:02 PM

    It was the Israelites that introduced to the world, and codified in their religion, everything CRIMINAL that they condemn in the Nazis
    The Nazis called themselves "superior" people. The CHOSEN People of GOD do not like the competition.
    The Nazis stole property from their victims.

  • Posted By: taichi-wuchi @ 12/01/2008 2:34:40 AM

    After what happened in Iraq and is still happening in Iraq. It has become self-evident that people's sociopathic blind side is well and still functioning all over the world.
    We need to recognize sociopathic behavior and prevent it from causing death and destruction. We must condemn sociopathic behavior no matter who is to blame. We have to promote good will and cooperation to sustain life and not buy into hyped fears that undermine civilized behavior. Killing each other is not civilized behavior. It is also counter-productive. Life is too important to waste on deviant behavior.

    "You don't want no pie in the sky when you die. You want something here on the ground while you're still around."
    Muhammad Ali

    "Every creature is better alive than dead, men and moose and pine trees, and he who understands it aright will rather preserve its life than destroy it."
    Henry David Thoreau

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/29/2008 3:53:48 PM

    If you weren't there, you don't really know and if you were there, well, you still probably don't know the truth. Just as we don't know what our government is doing, other than what they choose to tell us. Only those " in the know", a very small amount of the population, are privy to what was and still is going on. The rest of us can just guess. I and some of my family members, were there and we still can only speculate on what went on behind the scenes. Of course, we have our own personal stories, but survival was all we were doing, on a daily basis. Probably no different than the Iraqi people. Hollywood just tells a story; take it or leave it! Either way, if you haven't experienced war, you are clueless. It's not the leaders but the people who suffer.

  • Posted By: can545 @ 11/29/2008 11:54:03 AM

    Most of the bigwigs in Hollywood are Jews, so it is rather self serving of them to depict themselves as blame free for the atrocities committed by the Nazis.

    When are they going to show Herschel Grynspan killing the German ambassador to Paris which led to Kristallnacht or the Jews declaring economic war on Germany that led to the Jews being imprisoned and when are we going to have a serious talk about the Versailles Treaty, which was a Jewish invention to acquire the wealth and control of the German state?

    Never--because the real truth is something Hollywood never wants you to know. So they give us the crap they produce to make it the truth you think you know.

    They are no better than the Nazis who tried to change history.

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