Two Faces of India

the ignorance that becomes ignoble and ignominous indeed ,
italy has more art treasures then the whole of world put together and they are much better off then the rest of europe in their poverty and destitution -alas
at least they eat proper food with epicurean delights and enjoy the lesser blessings of art like opera while the rest are ennobled by madonna concerts and crunch munch

seems like india has been invited to join the crusade against muslims

it is rather amusing to see how clumsy the ploy was as they messed up the self made conspiracy ,

at least 9/11 looked more spectacular on the screens

best of luck to all

and god bless the planet

amen

Why is the Muslim community in India "not included" in India's economic boom, when Muslims ruled India for 700 years before the British? Why is Italy not among the richest European nations, when Romans ruled all of Europe before 400 AD? Could the fault lie with Muslims and Italians?

im sick of these columnists making up excuses for islamic terror...."lack of education, healthcare, disenfranchised, unloved, orphaned, poor, blah blah blah"..... nonsense....there are far poorer people in india than the muslims who blew up the taj....and there are far poorer people everywhere in the world than ayman al zawahiri and osama bin laden.... and khalid sheikh mohammed....and mohammed atta.... none of these guys were rail thin refugees from the sudan. they were motivated to kill, and no amount of education or sanitation or democracy or money or development is going to stop that.....what we need is strict policing and zero tolerance of islamic extremism.... do what the israelis do....they are the model example of how to kick terrorist butt... if a guy is a suicide bomber, wipe out his house and throw his brother and dad in jail. they are SUICIDE bombers- by definition, they dont give a crap if you arrest/hang THEM....hit them where it hurts...hit them where they hurt us...their family.

@ike: regarding the sati that you seem so disgusted with... perhaps you would like to know how it began?
over the last 1000 years islamic armies have invaded and sacked indian kingdoms....after massacring the men and children, they would rape the women and sell them into harems..... sati originated as a reaction to this.... rather than face the dishonor of being raped and sold into slavery, indian women committed suicide when their husbands got killed. Now obviously the practice is irrelevant and against modern values, but it was well suited to the demands of its day. it just took a long time to die out - as most practices tend to, in conservative societies. look at hara kiri in japan for example.

there was a hue and cry in britain when the archbishop of canterbury suggested MAYBE muslims could follow a bit of their own law.....well wake up you ignoramuses.. in india muslims have always lived by their own civil law....they do what they want..... muslims, wherever thy are in a mojority, oppress and squash every minority....and when its their turn to be in a minority they start playing victim... demanding "civil liberties" and "human rights"..oh yeah? where are those "liberties" in saudi arabia? where are the temples that should dot the saudi skyline? where are the churches in medina? why so much of a grouse with one tiny jewsih state on the edge of the islamic world, when india's hindus have watched silently as islam sliced away the indus valley and the ganga delta from our home? partition was bloody, yes, but even we now accept the fact that there are now muslims living there, unlike the arabs who want to kick the jews out and occupy the land....

christians arent in the picture because most of the west is so rich that there is no cause to fight...not that they were above the occasional crusade and "civilizing mission" a few hundred years ago....but i can already see the intolerance in europe...of just maybe 3 or 4% muslims in their midst.......india has 15% muslims...and has had them for a millennium......do the math...

bagel ballerina is talking through his hat.... sparing a 16th century mosque? that mosque was built after razing a hindu temple in ayodhya, which is one of the most sacred cities in hinduism...i personally am an atheist, but i support the breaking down of the mosque.... wouldnt israel love to tear down the al aqsa? wouldnt muslims love to break down the wailing wall and kick the jews out of israel? how about the spaniard christians who took back the "andalus"? what would the muslim reaction to a church being built atop the mecca mosque be? for the past 1000 years hindus in india have been taken advantage of....now its payback time ... the minorities better fall in line - as minority communities do in practically every other nation. in the middle east there are millions of indians but you dont hear a whimper out of them because they recognize that the welfare of the minority lies in the goodwill of the majority...the sooner muslims and christians in india realize that, the better....
i would like to see how the whites in america react when african americans form terrorist cells and blow up things..you people formed a kkk just to harass blacks for being black..what would you have done had they been engaging in terror? ....now theres no riots in the us because the enemy is a faceless muslim far far away in arabia...but in india that enemy is not faceless - he surrounds us and lives amongst us. he has split our country and taken our land. even now political parties bend overbackward to keep him pampered.... in china they dont tolerate this nonsense... they have been practising settlement policy for decades... the country is practically homogenous... while in india, the only worthwhile country hindus can call their own, we live as second class citizens..

hog wash. this article is nothing but that. muslims being disenfranchised, they are the most pampered lots, pampered for their votes, their piligrimage to mecca is sponsored by goverment. thats the beauty, a hindu country sponsoring minority. it shows we care attitude. only thing the muslims donot see it likewise. and what about the poor hindus, donot they feel disenfranchised. why dont they revolt killing innocent civilians. muslims have a ghetto mentality. india offers free schooling in municipal schools but still muslims will send their children to madrasas. some of the wealthiest indian businessmen are muslims. wipro,wockhardt,cipla.etc. the indian hardware tools and tackles are completely controlled by muslims. and some guy talking about christian persecution. bull ***. at the grassroot levels if a religious leader is killed repurcussions are allways felt.

Indiaawakening and others, WAKE UP. Living in a state of denial won't help India at all. As a country with about half its population living in poverty, with rampant nepotism and corruption and inefficient intelligence and policing,as seen in the wake of the unfortunate attack, not to mention a HORRIFYING human right record and communal violence, it is hardly the best to lecture others, especially those with a better track record than it. Hindu zealots are always apt at finger pointing . Perhaps the comments here are representative of the mob-like mentality of many Indians who can spill blood at the slightest pretext. Why else in the last few months alone have tens of thousands of Christians in the state of Orissa forced to flee from their homes and many killed just because some Hindu priest was killed, and as was later discovered not even by a Christian. What crime did they commit to suffer so badly at the hands of Hindu extremists. Are not Christians part of the India? Don't they have a government that should protect their rights?

Until now we do not know the reason behind the Mumbai attack, but being an unjust government to its own people, the Indian government has also been unjust to others like accusing Pakistan for the attack without any real proof. The gunmen maybe homegrown. The Indian government must get all the facts right before the problems could be resolved. India has so many domestic issues that have not been resolved for hundreds of years because the government refused to face the realities. India does not only have two faces but it also has two systems; one hopelessly legal and the other corruptly efficient.

rajnahata
Your Islamophobia is eerity similar to the anti-semitism of the brutal Nazis of Germany. And we all know the gruesome genocide of innocent Jews that culminated in. 'Islam has no place in the wold'. How about forcibly converting, as someone in this forum has already suggested, all Muslims into hinduism. Surely we could kill those scum of earth who resist, as indeed many would. After all what is the value of Muslim blood?
You people disgust me.

The jingoism coming from die hard Indians in this forum is truly stunning. If Islam is so bad and Muslim nations such cauldrons of evil then I wonder why is it that Indians keep flocking to the Middle East and gulf states including Saudi Arabia. At least half of UAE population, for example, now comprises of Indian expatriates. They make merry, do not have to pay taxes and enjoy income and standard of living unheard in their country, that promised land. Surely things cannot that bad?

Blaming Pakistan or Islam will sadly not solve India's many problems or earn it the respect and position that Indians covet . For a start India need to solve the problems of its 'true' Hindu citizens, especially women. It is hardly unknown that India has an alarming rate of female infantcide, strictly forbidden in Islam, with a female-to-male ratio of just 927 per 1000 in 2001. The lancent, a British medical journal report, for instance has said that 10 million female fetuses have been aborted in the last decade alone. And yet this brutal murder by ignorant Hindus goes unchecked by a country that is either too indifferent or too remorseless. And we have all heard about the menace of dowry in India and the so-called dowry deaths where many poor Indian brides have been mercilessly murdered by their husbands because of their failure to 'suitable' dowry. In case you did know, Islam does not permit dowry but the reverse-i.e. a gift from the groom to the bride.

And I hope that the Hindu tenet of sati- in which a widow is killed by forcing her to immolate herself on her dead husband's funeral pyre- is no longer followed in the great country that is India.

India might have made some progress but there is a long way to go and serious problems to be solved. So before attacking others with , it is time some of you guys reflected upon the treatment that is meted out to Hindus , let alone the minorities, in your sweet India.

I think you have lost your mind Mr rajnahata .

Kshmir see more brutality from India side then any where else in the woprld . Kashmir ppl are suffering because of India since 1947 . Wake up see the reality .

ethnic vilance are there in your land .

previuosly also Pakistan was blamed for the rain blast in 2007 and it was Hindu activist who actually did when final verdict was out . The new evidence in the Samjhauta Express firebombings pointing a finger at a Hindutva militant group has come up repeatedly as one reason why the Indian media should have been less ???hasty??? in arriving at its conclusions.



It was Hindus who killed Muslims in Gujrat .

It was Hindus who killed Christians for converting .

u say Isalm has no place in morden world . ?? fact twll u a differnt story .

9/11 had no proof that Muslim were behind it . Many USA invistigator even till today it was a hoax . USA needed reason to go after OIl in Iraq and so on ... Therefore it is they who attacked IRAQ, Afghanistan ,Pakistan and not to forget trying to attack , Saudia , and Iran .

Muslim don't have right in the mordern world ?? Or those ppl who consider themselves as mordern need a reality check ???

There are 500 nautical miles between Karachi and Gujarat, and the Indian media are saying the terrorists came in boats from Karachi. Why are they not questioning the failure of their intelligence agencies????

Kashmir ppl sad state is in front of whole world . they are raped , killed , tortured , hanged without question . open firing on peaceful rallies are every day activity in Kashmir ( wake up plz and see. what India is doing . ) by the way ask yourself Why did India occupied Kashmir in the first plac . According to plan of participation muslim majority aears were of Pakistan . Kashmir for yrs wanted to join Pakistn . Why didn't India Let it happen ??



Same goes with Mulsim prisoners in Indian Jail .

Pakistanis subjected to brutality in Indian jails . Pakitsanis realese prisoner in good conditions when they are re;leased from prisoner . while nnocent ppl who are captured by Indians are so brutally treated that they end up mentally retarted . (What Kind of Human justice is that )

Wake up India is Not a democrate state . Never has and Never will be . It is widly divided by ethnical groups.

Mr. Sameer Reddy. First of all it is not intelligent and let me say very stupidd to mix the acts of terrorism and then subtle justification to it by pointing to economic backwardness....It is very irresponsible of you to even try to mix it. And I am using the word "try"..because except you , everyone will be able to see through your illogical justifications.
Now inspite of this let me argue with you assuming that you did not really intend to mix the terrorism with any other thing.
1 ) India is a poor country. It is not that ALL the Hindus and other religions are living a 5star life and only the Muslims are disadvantaged. There are 700 million poor in India which includes all Hindus - Muslims - Christians - Atheists - etc..etc... There is absolutely no need to classify a poor on basis of their religion.
2) What is the proportion of education in the Muslim community. I have colleagues who are Indian Muslims and have an excellent career making good money based on their education
I know some Muslim areas -ghettos in INdia...and they have 6-8-10 children in the family because they think they are obeying God's word to spread the religion. However there is not sufficient money to educate there children and prepare them for the modern economny. So they get left behind. Now whose fault is that ?
2)The Indian Muslims I know are an excellent intelligent group of people and the non radicals and no fanatics have progressed tremendously in their careers. They have progressed because they embraced modern education...
You can draw a horse to the lake..You cannot make it drink water.
3) Now lets assume that yes Indian Muslims are facing tremendous obstacle to uplift their condition . Even if they have an education from IIT no one gives them a job...even if they are an IPS IAS officer,, they never get postings...no Azim Premji...no Abdul Kalam..nothing...
how does throwing bombs and killing people uplift their condition ?
I wish that somewhere in your article you had written this...that killing and creating terror is not the answer for anything. The only thing it achieves is more alienation for that community.
And may the terrorists are smarter than you..they want exactly that..and stupid people like you buy into the theory of economic backwardness is fuelling terrorism.
The poor Muslims I know have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism and they laugh at your theory...
They want to work hard and provide for their family just as anyone...THey are getting pulled into this hate wave of terrorism and Islamophobia because of the intelligent terrorist and stupid media people like you.

Mr. Reddy, if poverty and lack of healthcare or civil rights are behind such attacks, why is it that we see well-educated, computer trained professionals engaging in such brazen terrorist acts? And in any case, the way these terrorists killed people, nothing..read absolutely nothing..justifies the massacre. And if Indian muslims have grievances, why are the Pakistanis coming to India to commit mass murders? Just to provide a seemingly well-balanced and sophisticated analysis for your readers to further you own reputation as a balanced analyst, please do not rationalize these acts. This is exactly what you are doing - rationalizing - rather than calling a spade a spade, which is the need of the hour. The truth is islam is not a religion of peace and it has no place in the modern world. Yes, Islam (and not radical Islam) has no place in the modern world. A case in point: not one kashmiri organization or guy has come out saying whatever happened in Bombay and its degree of brutality has never been witnessed in Kashmir even though the murderers were rationalizing their acts by referring to events in Kashmir. Rather, they were the Kashmiris themselves who pushed out Hindus from Kashmir through ethnic cleansing back in late eighties. This is just one of the many examples wherein fellow-Islamists through their wink and a nudge and their non-actions support the actions of their fellow muslims. I have read enough articles of your ilk who rationalize such acts - you can fool some people most of the time and most people some times, but you can't fool all people all the time. Ultimately people realize what an idiotic piece of writing it is! Let me give you a constructive suggestion: write two articles instead of one! In the first, report the facts as they are and put forth your views that nothing justifies events of Bombay. In the second article, which you can post a couple of days later, write about the disadvantaged communities (Muslims, hindus, economically backward etc.) and constructively suggest how their position can be improved. By combining both in the same article, you are doing your readership a great disservice by misleading them. Hope you realize your folly before the rest of your readers. Raj Nahata.

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Mr. Reddy, You shoulkd be ashamed of yourself, Are you a mothpiece of pakistan?,
Muslims in India are treated better than Hindus and Christians, go figure. Its nothing to do with economy, they themselves live in this way. Look at the Hindu/Christain immigrants in the US, they follow the law and don't create any trouble. Look at the muslims, they already started creating trouble wanting to have their own Sharia law. If you cannot write fairly do not mislead people. I am one is not mislead. I lived in Inida among Muslim Majority neghbourhood. They treat you like crap.