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  • Posted By: jd3112 @ 11/29/2008 11:47:00 AM

    Vinod Kumar comments are sick .. the guy does not know what he is talking about. you look at thebirth level in India ..especially with in the Hindi population., it is on par with the rest of the population. its people like him who create dicord and misunderstanding which leads to radicalisation of oppreessed individuals and groups.

    your article talks about the "Indians and muslims living side by side" are you saying that the muslim are not indian and that india only belongs to Hindus or other religious groups. You find Muslims serving with in the indian army are you saying that they are less patriotic than others? . please be fair to the muslims we are not the enemy en mass.. It is this unfairness and operession of the muslims, from Palestine, Kashmir, chechnya which is causing this so called terrorism. How unfair is the press to the Muslim, we had many more people killed in the Marriot bombing tha people murdered in Mumbai, and there was never so much coverage in the press as there is now and it is being called the India's 9/11.. what about Pakistan's 9/11? . ..

    • Posted By: Venpen @ 11/29/2008 11:21:22 PM

      Ask your Terik-e-Taliban, Mr.Hamid Gul (and you know whom I am talking about) this question ?
      Do you have the courage to confront the delil within your contry?

  • Posted By: florence78 @ 11/29/2008 8:55:14 PM

    India has a serious and persistent problem with its treatment of religious minorities. What else could explain the forceful displacement of tens of thoustands of Christians and the coldless murder of Chritians by Hindu mobs in the Indian state of Orissa in the last few months alone.

    And I don't think I even need to recall the gory details of what happened to Muslims in Gujarat, India not long ago in in 2002 when more than a thousand Muslims were merciessly massacred , and when, in a much reported incident, some even ripped open the body of a pregnant Muslim woman and slaughtered her foetus.

    I can go on and on about the widely documented cases of abuse and mistreatment of minorities in India . The point is there is a dichotomy between how India tries to present itself and the reality.

    Aspiring for prosperity is great but it is greater when all, irrespective of religion or caste, can partake in it.

    • Posted By: Venpen @ 11/29/2008 10:47:38 PM

      Florence78,

      Stop playing the roles of a victim being a religious minority in India. I will ask you this question? How prosperous are religious minorities in Saudi or Italy ( Islamic and Christian Citadels)? Do religious minorities use terror as a tool in these countries?

  • Posted By: rickt @ 11/29/2008 10:47:28 PM

    Spread the wealth with ALL Muslims including those who don't have an immediate need to strike jihadi terror. Classic example of the failure of socialism. India needs to move forward, not backward.

  • Posted By: avk25 @ 11/29/2008 10:23:05 PM

    The real cause of this tragedy is due to the hatred taught to a few young men often from outside India who are told lies about mistreatment of Muslims in India. They believe it because that what they do to minorities in Muslim countries. How many Hindus still live in Pakistan? Whereas in India the minorities especially Muslims are given privileges that are hard to believe in an other country. Unfortunately this reporter is ill-informed.

  • Posted By: amir_101 @ 11/29/2008 9:46:12 PM

    After Fahreed Zakaria's disgusting article a few days ago, this is the second time Newsweek has published this type of trash glorifying the "disenfranchised Muslims" in India and identifying their "suffering" as the root cause for this massacre. These spineless cowards did not have the guts to say anything even close to this after 9/11, or for that matter, whenever a terrorist blows him up in Israel. Can someone reading this comment create a web site: www.newsweeksucks.com and promote the site through rediff, india abroad and sulekha.com

  • Posted By: nadendla @ 11/29/2008 9:38:53 PM

    I dont know where you live Sameer, or when you were in India the last time. Here it is. There is no other country in the world including Islamic countries that provides benefits to Muslims like the GOI does. If you go to to New Delhi airport there is a symbol of what i am saying. There is a special terminal called HAJ terminal, GOI provides planes / transport for Muslims for free to travel for HAJ. What you wrote has no basis and does not belong in a rputed magazine.

  • Posted By: amir_101 @ 11/29/2008 9:24:08 PM

    Who is this idiot and why does Newsweek allow such trash? If this retard is trying to justify killing innocent civilians because Muslims in India are disenfranchised, I would ask him to have the courage to publish his home address to the thousands of angry Indians (of all religion) who would love to pay him a visit. In your trashy diatribe, you forgot to mention that the richest man in India is a Muslim (Hashim Premji), all the top tier actors in Bollywood are Muslims (Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan, Amir Khan) and that Indians twice elected Muslims for the high office in the country -- the job of President. We all know that tabloid journalism thrives on sensational lies to the western media, but have a sense of decency in the time of a national tragedy.

  • Posted By: cgomes @ 11/29/2008 9:17:41 PM

    A typical Liberal hogwash article. I am Indian Catholic living in the US; My family worked hard and we didn't get any special treatment from the GOI, and I can say that for a lot of my friends who are Muslim, Hindu, Christian, etc. Sameer: Your views are music to your liberal "elite" friends. It makes them feel better and noble. Sadly, most American-Indians voted for the party that panders to this "thought". Islamic terrorism has no place in our world and India has to protect her citizens. GOI needs to adopt the same policies that have protected the US since 9/11.

  • Posted By: pankajkaran @ 11/29/2008 9:12:53 PM

    Sameer: It is very clear from your article that you have not lived there for long enough or have not spent enogh time in "Gali-Kucha" to understand the poverty affects people of all relegion,cast and creeds.Hindus eing 800 million in numbers are more in number who are poor and destittute than minorities. Why should any one get special treatment. Every year millions of poor people finish schools and college and go on with their lives. I do agree that India should do more for healthcare and education but cannot be poor kids' or familes
    parents or guardians. BTW there is no welfare system as in US and people make it on their own every year ad that is what great about India. Terrorists have Ideology bases grievances againest India and US and Israel and it has nothng to do poverty because so many poor countries do not have terrorists attacks as often as it has been happening in ndia.
    INdia need to have upgrade its securty system in big way for surveillance to thwart any potential attacks in future.Do not try to make successful people guilty about their success.You sound very much like Communist minded person from calcutta ot southern state where there is trace of communism or naxalite. You need to have depth in your writing.I cannot believe Newsweek Editorial people allowed this to be published on line shame on you and Newsweek.
    Pankaj Karan,MD

  • Posted By: cgomes @ 11/29/2008 9:05:10 PM

    Typical Liberal hogwash trash! I am an Indian Catholic residing in the US, my family worked hard and we didn't get anything on a silver platter, and this is due to the value of education and not on relying on Government handouts! Sadly enough, most Indians (US Citizens) voted for the a party who pander to this misguided thinking. Sameer, you can feed this to your liberal pals, but you cannot lie to us Indians. Stop justifying terror. And as for Newsweek, SHAME on you to print LIES!

  • Posted By: IndianAmerican77 @ 11/29/2008 8:02:29 PM

    Sameer Reddy, you do not seem to have any idea that India is not a communist country. It's a capitalist democracy where anyone willing to work hard can become rich. It doesn't matter what religion you belong too. Work hard and prosper. Your article is unfortunate as it is uninformed about India. Some of the richest people India today come from minority religious communities.

  • Posted By: ProudIndian @ 11/29/2008 1:54:55 PM

    Once again these experts who could never get a real job and therefore became journalists are showing their true acumen. Consider this 70% of the world's natural resources are with Muslims, yet why are they so backward? Why is that the funds come from Saudia for Mosques and not schools? Why do Muslims oppose family planning if they are so poor? Why are Muslim women kept out of schools? Show me one single successful Muslim nation, there are only failed states. Bottom line, Muslims need to first help themselves by showing the will to modernize, even God cannot help those that can't help themselves. Blaming others for your problems is easy. Articles like this help them become terrorists because they think problems all lie outside and therefore they never do a self evaluation. You sir are promoting terror and should be considered a soft terrorist. People like you are responsible for Islamic Terror and cold murder of innocent civilians.

    • Posted By: jays @ 11/29/2008 7:59:06 PM

      I agree with the comments by ProudIndian. There are quotas for muslims in education, job opportunity etc. Muslims never tried to take advantage of this especially the women. They wear purdhas and never venture outside to get an education. This may be partlu because of the 13th century Islamic beliefs. Those muslims who dared to go to school (instead of madrasses) and good education are very successful like any other indians.

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 11/29/2008 7:55:18 PM

    Sameer Reddy ..one more thing ...christian amanpour is not indian but you are....you should be ashamed of not knowing alteast this much about your country.
    It is like stating that 9/11 happened as muslims were opressed in the USA. Just like britain attacks happened as muslims were being oppressed in britian as well!!!!

    why aren't hindus and other ethnic minorities who are left behind killing innocent civilians. The point of radical islam is being forgotten here. Neither hindus, christians and jewish people can be flamed for such outrageoous religious beliefs of islamic terrorists. Thats are just plain brain washing.

  • Posted By: indiantothecore @ 11/29/2008 7:50:12 PM

    In a democracy such as India's, no government or organization can come in to make someone richer. Equal opportunities exist for everyone in India. It depends on an individual how to utilize these opportunities. You should show evidence or examples of marginalization on muslims in this country before making such irresponsible comments.

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 11/29/2008 7:32:05 PM

    Sameer Reddy ...you sound just like christian amanpour. This is congress party's agendas coming forth and blaming common INDIAN people who work hard and earn fruits of their labour. Congress party is afraid that people are not going to vote for them in the next election , which is very true..and now need scapegoats and blame and insult the indian muslim community at the same time.

    There are lot of hindus , muslims and other people in INDIA who live below poverty line thanks to the BRITISH who has looted INDIA for 200 years and oppressed INDIA. I am not against the british but simply stating facts that muslims aren't the only ones that have been left behind. Many hindus feel the same way.

  • Posted By: gemini_route @ 11/29/2008 7:29:22 PM

    Anil dubey summed up quite well.Muslims identifying themselves with Arab world are lagging behind. Muslims with secular outlook and more pro-western approach are reaping the benefits of Economic boom.

  • Posted By: anildubey @ 11/29/2008 7:23:40 PM

    President Abdul Kalam - Reknowned scientist and President of India
    Hasan Gaffor - A Muslim and head of Police in Mumbai
    Shah Rukh Khan - Bollywood star (and multi-millionaire)
    Aamir Khan - Bollywood star (and multi-millionaire)
    Salmain Khan - Bollywood star (and multi-millionaire)
    Saif Ali Khan - Bollywood star (and multi-millionaire)
    President Zakir Hussain - Past president of India
    Mr Ansari - Current Vice President of India
    Azim Premji - WIPRO CHAIRMAN and one of the worlds richest man (Richest self made Muslim for sure)
    List goes on and on....
    If none of these were disenfranchised, what is the reason behind it. Not all of the India is rich. In fact largest group of Indians who are poor and disenfrachised is Indian Hindus (who either belong to socially deprived classes and are economically backword...). PLEASE DO NOT GENERALIZE. YOU ARE NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH to write on this matter. If a close scrutiny is carried out, successful middleclass may have following things working for him:
    1. Higher Education (that they tried to achieve even if they had economic poverty...)
    2. Strong will and belief in the better future and positive attitude (inspite of all odds)
    3. Ability to differentiate between religious preferecnes and socio/economic needs
    4. Responsible approach to family and society

    Most of the Muslims who feel disenfrachised, do not have any of the above four things. On top of that they have
    1. Strong affinity to that interpretation of ISLAM which is at odds with mainstream
    2. Strongly believe in dumb and sectarian leadership
    3. Still love radicalism and are mentally slaves of ARABIAN CULTURE
    4

  • Posted By: anildubey @ 11/29/2008 7:07:10 PM

    Sameer Reddy is not making a valid argument. I do not agree with the assessement "...but the reality is that India's Muslims are an oft-neglected minority, economically disenfranchised and increasingly radicalized. They've been left behind in the country's spectacular economic expansion. Ongoing tension with poor, Muslim neighbor Pakistan (a key player in America's war on terror as well) is the other principal obstacle to sustainable Indian growth. "
    Who is neglicting Muslims ? Can you tell me how they are economically disenfranchised ? Azim Premji (Aruguable India's richest Muslim (and one of the worlds richest) ) is also in India ? How come he was not disenfranchised ? Who is disenfrachising the Muslims ? If you read Bollywood and exploits of SALMAN KHAN, SHAHRUKH KHAN, AAMIR KHAN and rest of the KHANS, you will not say that they are disenfranchised. If they are disenfrachised, it is by CHOICE. It is poor Muslims, who are to be blamed. They do not believe in family planning (multiple wives, multiple kids), they want their kids to be RADICALS by sending them to radical madarasas, and they are willing part of the mentalitiy that do not want to integrate with the masses (but are more interested in keeping their own unique identity). And if they are in majority, only thing that they can think of (read KASHMIR) is to kick out the minorities and ask for separation ! Those Muslims, who have gone beyond this mental barriers are successful.

  • Posted By: Deepti @ 11/29/2008 6:55:34 PM

    I honestly believe that the external elements are causing the commotion in India. It is not the Indian Muslim Community...I have many muslim friends and grew up celebrating both the Diwali and Eid. They are in well placed jobs in India and abroad.
    We Indians understand the meaning of secularism. "Pinpointing" that India's economic boom is not being shared with the minorities can be a threat to the peaceful co-existence.
    I pray and hope that all Indians (no matter what the religion is) stay together and fight this terrorism.

  • Posted By: mathewcharles @ 11/29/2008 6:44:43 PM

    It is not as if the whole Muslim minority is conspiring againt mother India. Although it is a pity that you would not tell this from reading most of the comments, filled as they are with unmasked hatred agianst the Muslim minority. I wonder if most Indians so full of rage and bias against Muslims, and are not ashamed of betraying their feelings, then how is it possible that Muslims can get an quitable share of the pie of so-called Indian prosperity.

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