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  • Posted By: sanjaydhingra @ 11/29/2008 2:21:16 AM

    There is no lack of opportunity for muslims in India. Unlike the west where minorities usually encounter a glass ceiling and are often not acceppted in the mainstream, India has offered equal opportunity to its minorities. India has had two muslim presidents, and several muslim CEOs. Muslim actors rule the Indian film industry and the entire country adores them. One of the most successful captain of the Indian cricket (a sport that is like a religeon in India) team was a muslim.

    Commentators should assess the real reasons for the problem and not come out with popular sounding views that seem to align with popular thinking of the western elite.

  • Posted By: sulaiman the wise @ 11/29/2008 2:19:25 AM

    this is an excellant article written on the basis of truth but unfortunately the indian muslims will take the side of pakistan and perish than supporting the hindus and flourish. This is mainly because of the lack of education and common sense. The indian muslims spend millions of wealth in bomb blasting and other anti social events every year but they have not buit a well known school, college, hospital or any other social upliftment centres for the welfare of the muslims. The public think that the indian muslims are united and if anything takeplace in india, it would be well known to even a small child in the muslim areas. especially when a bomb blast is there, people suspect that some muslims would have been aware of such incidents before they happen. and it is true in some cases. also. Eg:: In tamilnadu, coimbatore when there was a bomb blast, all the muslims adults knew about that and they safte guarded themselves , becasuse the arms and ammunition were stored in a masjid in the area of Kottaovasal, a muslim stronghold of the Al Umma organisation. So hindus and muslims will never be united and some foreces from these two communities will never allow for such reconcilation.

    sulaiman

  • Posted By: Bay Area Gal @ 11/29/2008 1:38:22 AM

    What is up with Newsweek-they and CNN seem to have bought hook line and sinker the line that terrorism in india is a result of Muslim poverty. May we ask what then was the cause of 9/11 in New York? Read this more balanced article in time magazine-esp the qupte toward the end to understand what Mulsim's see as peace
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1862650-2,00.html
    "We [Muslims] were the legal rulers of India, and in 1857 the British took that away from us," says Tarik Jan, a gentle-mannered scholar at Islamabad's Institute of Policy Studies. "In 1947 they should have given that back to the Muslims." Jan is no militant, but he pines for the golden era of the Mughal period in the 1700s and has a fervent desire to see India, Pakistan and Bangladesh reunited under Islamic rule. "

    • Posted By: Igloo @ 11/29/2008 2:06:33 AM

      I read that article By Aryn Baker too. That article stinks in so many ways.
      The author says: the British imposed English as the official language. The impact was cataclysmic. Muslims went from near 100% literacy to 20% within a half-century.

      The British imposed English on the Hindus too and destroyed Sanskrit. The Muslims who invaded India in the first millineiums CE also destroyed the Hindu temples and Hindu way of life.

      What has that got to do with Islamic terrorism in the 21st century
      Aryn Baker wants to appease the muslims just like the politicians in India. She wants to blame the victims of the terror attack in Mumbai by saying they brought it upon themselves.

  • Posted By: ajoyk @ 11/29/2008 2:03:35 AM

    What do you mean Samir - by "Muslims and Indians"? ("A thorough investigation into the attack's origins will doubtlessly be trumpeted by the authorities in the coming days, but in the meantime, one can easily imagine how dangerous this kind of speculation might prove on India's streets, where Muslims and Indians often live side by side.")
    Muslims are Indians too.
    at this time we need to find ways of fighting terror - not the muslims. any terrorist - muslim or hindu - and any organization that supports it needs to be brought down.
    A Hindu in Mumbai

  • Posted By: 1JohnK1 @ 11/29/2008 1:56:01 AM

    All readers please read this. I promise this is not yellow journalism. Your chance to read the truth from other than the government.

    http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20081129200811291119513862f1fe0c1/I-want-to-live

  • Posted By: SIDGANT @ 11/29/2008 1:54:46 AM

    Hindus and muslims have been in UK for the same amount of time with the same social structure. Why is that muslims in UK are economically backward?

  • Posted By: 1JohnK1 @ 11/29/2008 1:53:49 AM

    All readers please read this. I promise this is not yellow journalism. Your chance to read the truth from other than the government.

    http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20081129200811291119513862f1fe0c1/I-want-to-live

  • Posted By: SIDGANT @ 11/29/2008 1:53:32 AM

    Hindus and muslims have been in UK for the same amount of time with the same social structure. Why is that muslims in UK are economically backward?

  • Posted By: robertopp @ 11/29/2008 1:48:28 AM

    What an absolutely pathetic article! I really expect Newsweek to do better.

    As usual, the apologists for radical Islamic terrorism resort to blaming scapegoats like "poverty" and "lack of education" that, much as they are undesirable, are non-factors.

    Case in point: Osama bin Laden was a rich man. The people who carried out 9/11, and the people who attacked Glasgow Airport in the UK, were all well educated, with degrees in engineering and medicine. On the other hand, some of the world's poorest people in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Haiti are not terrorists. The Tibetans have a dispute with the government of China, but there has NEVER been a Buddhist Tibetan terrorist, nor will there ever likely to be. Hindus and Christians in Pakistan are discriminated against to a far more severe degree than Muslims in secular India, but you'll never hear of Hindu or Christian terrorists in Pakistan. Actually, Pakistan's sole source of terrorism comes from radical Islamic extremists in the Northwest Frontier Province and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, places so dangerous that even its military dare not venture.

    Terrorism stems from IDEOLOGY. This is what you get when Saudi-funded Wahhabist madrassas spring up all over Pakistan, brainwashing young men and little children to hate Hindus, Jews and Christians. It is these brainwashed agents of radical islam who strap bombs on themselves and blow up civilians in India, Russia, Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Thailand, Philippines and other places. Until the Muslim world disavows radical islamic ideology, and wholeheartedly fight the terrorists and their ideology, this evil will persist and will plunge the whole world into war.

    So stop apologizing for Muslim extremists and stop doing their PROPAGANDA that "poverty", "lack of education" or "discrimination" is to blame. It is not. There is an eight-tonne elephant in the room with the words "Islamic extremism" written on it. Now, let's see Newsweek try to address this phenomenon. You'll be doing your readers a service.

  • Posted By: kthekkedom @ 11/29/2008 1:46:10 AM

    Comment: I really wonder why a widely read magazine like Newsweek could publish such a stupid article written by Sameer Reddy. There are rich and poor people in India irrespective of caste and religion. Muslims are treated well in India. Terrorism happened in USA, U K and other European countries..Can Newsweek draw same conclusion or you should explain why you published such an article to tarnish India.Shame on you, Newsweek
    Posted by Kurian

  • Posted By: Igloo @ 11/29/2008 1:35:36 AM

    Sameer Reddy - Can you be clear? Disaffected Muslims or disaffected Indian Muslims or disaffected Pakistani Muslims?
    What has that got to do with an al Qaeda terrorism inflicting wounds on the city of Mumbai. This is a shoddy theme (the poor Indian Muslims) which has shown up in 3 of pre-eminent US newspapers and magazines this week (NY times ??? Somini Sengupta / Christine Fair, Times ??? Aryn Baker and now Newsweek).
    Muslims have a lot of opportunities in India if they choose to take it. In fact they have largesse handed out to them more than any other community in India. There is a special budget earmarked just for Muslims by the government of India. They get government subsidy to go on 'hajj pilgrimage'. (This is Indian tax payer money (from the general population) set aside for Indian Muslims only). No other religious groups in India get to go on pilgrimage at the Indian government???s expense.
    As minorities they get admissions in colleges and universities (special reservation).
    Muslim universities in India are allowed to admit on communal basis - just Muslims (which is 100% Muslim students in these universities). The Muslim Universities in India do not have to admit Hindus. Besides that the Indian Muslims get to go to the general universities based on reservation (quota system for minorities). (If there is a Hindu university - even there the Muslims get reservation first, not the Hindus).
    They have job reservation set aside as well.
    The Muslims in India also have special sharia laws enacted for themselves. While the rest of the Indian populations have the uniform civil code the Indian Muslims have special privileges to carry out their own law based on religious injunctions. No other Indian communities have these privileges.
    Muslims in India are pampered by politicians. The social policies are all geared for their success. If they want to they can reach the moon or the mars. They just have to seek it.

  • Posted By: mishah1975 @ 11/29/2008 1:15:37 AM

    Sameer Reddy is an idiot. He should think about how much better Muslims are treated in India than Hindus in Pakistan - or any religious minority in every Muslim country.

  • Posted By: seattlebuyer @ 11/29/2008 1:10:46 AM

    This is a reckless and irresponsible piece of wring which I never expected from a publication like News Week. There is no systematic discrimination against any religious religious groups inside India If that was the case then why are other religious minorities thriving in India? . Regardless, you just can't justify terrorism no matter what the root cause is. BTW, I did not recollect seeing any such analysis in US media after 9/11.


    9/9/11?

  • Posted By: peace0000 @ 11/29/2008 1:09:32 AM

    india is secular country... all religions enjoy their freedom... infact muslims have more freedom than in their own nations around the world... the problem is even a well educated muslim gets brain washed by extreme throughts... they have to rise above their religion and respect other religions to live in peace...

  • Posted By: aryanboy @ 11/29/2008 12:38:16 AM

    "cost of truth" is correct. I am APALLED that Newsweek would allow such amateurish, unsubstantiated and anecdotal information to be published by this person.

    Newsweek is losing SERIOUS credibility with this article. The poor of India, regadless of religion, are disenfranchised, and the economic "boom" in recent years has not improved the lives of the poor of India, regardless of ethnicity, religion or any other demographic attribute.

    A lot of misinformation here.

  • Posted By: pandu @ 11/29/2008 12:21:05 AM

    emmarcee is true. When I grew at my young age, my family was not rich. This is true to millions of Indians. Indian govt didn't give any special privilege for my family. Like every family in India we fought through hard steps and climbed to a good level in education and earnings. In India there is no descrimination in education or job in work place based on religion. Rather there are lot of minority owned education institiutions. This are sanctioned by politicians for vote bank politics.

    The real issues are:

    1. There is no birth control among most of the Indian muslims.Atleast among the poor.
    2. Illegal immigrants about 6 millions muslims from Bangladesh live in mumbai.
    3. Lack of uniform civil code in India
    4. Social security card system
    5. There are thousands of madrasas across India which teaches religious education rather professional education required to grow to an stature in society.
    6. Let the muslim leaders/Imams pass a verdict in all mosques that every one in their community to educate rather spreading hatred among various religions -I condemn RSS/BJP also on same note.
    7. Muslims where ever they live should have bond to mother land rather attached to religions first.

    I know serveral educated muslims who are very good in society and reached great heights.

    • Posted By: svengali @ 11/29/2008 12:31:51 AM

      Right on. Abdul Kalam - President of India, AK Hamied (Cipla), Azim Premji (WIPRO) Habil Khorakhiwla (WOCKHARDT), innumerable other successful businessmen, professionals, politicians, government officials are proof that the opportunity is available

  • Posted By: CostOfTruth @ 11/29/2008 12:25:58 AM

    This article is nothing but absolute rubbish. Any reasonable Indian (doesn't matter which faith) who read this article should realise the utter nonsense perpetrated. The nation's economic momentum did not take place to benefit only one religion other than Muslims. The participants and recipients of the wealth created by the economic boom comes from people of all faiths in the country. The boom requires hardworking and willing talented people to step up. Whoever in Newsweek responsible for recruiting such an analytically challenged, worth for nothing writer to be on their staff, open your eyes to the reality, read the article, realize the meaningless gist, purge the writer "Sameer Reddy" from your organization to restore sanity.

  • Posted By: simplyput @ 11/29/2008 12:24:30 AM

    It's all about poor, disaffected, muslims.
    Religion got nothing to do with it?

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 11/29/2008 12:02:12 AM

    what the eff are you saying about the persecution of all other religions in the middle east? Eff you. I am tired of reasoning with you liberal scumbags. Indians need to get this. American Hindus were supporting Obama because they hated evngelical Palin. Now they will see the true color of these liberals. They have their own agenda and they don't care shi- about the world.

    • Posted By: CostOfTruth @ 11/29/2008 12:23:46 AM

      This article is nothing but absolute rubbish. Any reasonable Indian (doesn't matter which faith) who read this article should realise the utter nonsense perpetrated. The nation's economic momentum did not take place to benefit only one religion other than Muslims. The participants and recipients of the wealth created by the economic boom comes from people of all faiths in the country. The boom requires hardworking and willing talented people to step up. Whoever in Newsweek responsible for recruiting such an analytically challenged, worth for nothing writer to be on their staff, open your eyes to the reality, read the article, realize the meaningless gist, purge the writer "Sameer Reddy" from your organization to restore sanity.

  • Posted By: mitra @ 11/29/2008 12:21:50 AM

    So, are there no Hindus who are poor How many Hindu terrorist groups can you name? But just to humor all those, including renowoned reporters like Amonpur, who allege that Islamic terrrorim is basis of disenfranchised Muslims, can you please explain 9/11, the attacks in London and Russia? Indian muslims are on a similar boat as anyone else. There are rich Indians and poor Indians, but only Muslim terrorist groups. There is a number of Islamic nations in the world, they can leave and go there if they feel so slighted in India. They don;t go bcos they enjoy individual freedom which they won't enjoy in an Islmaic nation, barring a few. Please do cut the crap.

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