Everybody Make Love—And War

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  • Posted By: JanetJamerson @ 12/10/2008 3:42:49 PM

    DUH not rocket science about conclusion who cares if we kill or own kind or not, the fact is the conclusion is right you dumb sexist spandiards trying to discriminate in our American country to women of color and lesbian of color. HELLO Negative Human Population for a better world. QUALITY over Quantity. LIKE THE REAL NATIVE AMERICANS TWO SPIRITED FIRST NATION GAY AND LESBIANS TOOK CARE OF ORPHAN IN TRIBE and live in harmony with nature would never be a conquestor and conquer peoples land.

  • Posted By: JanetJamerson @ 12/10/2008 3:36:50 PM

    HELLO STOP DISCRIMINATING AGAINST WOMEN AND LESBIAN OF COLOR YOU DUMB SEXIST SPANDIARDS THAT IS TRYING TO DOMINATE AND TAKE OVER OUR AMERICAN COUNTRY

  • Posted By: MT Jason @ 12/10/2008 2:54:20 PM

    It seems that the most peaceful animals are those with femaies that are easy. Therefore if women were easy then our species would be peaceful...

  • Posted By: Johndeere @ 12/10/2008 2:35:36 PM

    Are the authors totally ignorant, or are they trying to make a point by overtly misstating known facts? First they say humans are one of the only animals that kills it's own kind. Hahahaha! They're kidding right? Maybe I've watched too many nature programs, but that is one of the most rediculously and blatantly untrue statements I've ever heard. Then they say that pigs and dogs don't kill each other for sex. Hahahahahaha! Another good one. OK -- what if pigs and dogs in fact did not kill each other for sex. Firstly, almost every other animal DOES, at least from time to time. Secondly, pigs wallow in their own excrement and dogs eat their own excrement. Are we sure that we want to model our behavior after that of pigs and dogs? What a CROCK!

  • Posted By: Johndeere @ 12/10/2008 2:32:08 PM

    Are the authors totally ignorant, or are they trying to make a point by overtly misstating known facts? First they say humans are one of the only animals that kills it's own kind. Hahahaha! They're kidding right? Maybe I've watched too many nature programs, but that is one of the most rediculously and blatantly untrue statements I've ever heard. Then they say that pigs and dogs don't kill each other for sex. Hahahahahaha! Another good one. OK -- what if pigs and dogs in fact did not kill each other for sex. Firstly, almost every other animal DOES, at least from time to time. Secondly, pigs wallow in their own excrement and dogs eat their own excrement. Are we sure that we want to model our behavior after that of pigs and dogs? What a CROCK!

  • Posted By: Johndeere @ 12/10/2008 2:31:28 PM

    Are the authors totally ignorant, or are they trying to make a point by overtly misstating known facts? First they say humans are one of the only animals that kills it's own kind. Hahahaha! They're kidding right? Maybe I've watched too many nature programs, but that is one of the most rediculously and blatantly untrue statements I've ever heard. Then they say that pigs and dogs don't kill each other for sex. Hahahahahaha! Another good one. OK -- what if pigs and dogs in fact did not kill each other for sex. Firstly, almost every other animal DOES, at least from time to time. Secondly, pigs wallow in their own excrement and dogs eat their own excrement. Are we sure that we want to model our behavior after that of pigs and dogs? What a CROCK!

  • Posted By: Matt From Fort Knox @ 12/10/2008 2:09:31 PM

    Mr. Philips,
    You must be a complete and utter waste of the earth's oxygen supply. Go pick up the Book. If you do not own the Book, try biblegateway.com. It's free, so you won't even be forced to pay for your research. Check Genesis, Chapter 4. Cain, Abel, no chimpanzees to be found. And by the way, if you had even the slightest clue about the prevalence of rape and the mistreatment of women in war situations, you might have thought twice before typing such a ridiculous title to your article.

  • Posted By: byronlutz @ 12/10/2008 1:35:36 PM

    Dirtplay, in his comments below, is correct. The tipping factor is POWER -- not violence. Although violence is a method to achieve powerr, the goal of violence is almost always power.

    Either Dr. Potts has not bothered to think things through to their obvious and logical conclusions, or his work is being misinterpreted by Newsweek.

    It's sex and power, not sex and violence.

    • Posted By: obgynluke @ 12/10/2008 1:53:15 PM

      scientifically and observably speaking, you cant define "power" well enough to make a specific hypothesis. the researchers used violence as a working definition of power and other abstract ideas.

  • Posted By: Rubbershoelace @ 12/10/2008 1:39:25 PM

    This is the best argument I have heard yet for why women should be more highly regarded in society. Three cheers for this genius writer!

  • Posted By: greendoor @ 12/10/2008 1:33:50 PM

    Comment for Tom Jones...please leave the USA. Your kind is not wanted here. In case you missed it, we are in a land of freedom and opportunity. The article didn't say women were forced into population control but rather "where women have power over how many children they have". Women have the power to determine their birthrate and their resources. Lastly, I would like to say my father was born in Holland during the German occupancy. His birth did not come during a time of convience or resources. Many women would have aborted their pregnany in a simular situation. But thank God he was born because his life has been a blessing to many.

  • Posted By: thylacine @ 12/10/2008 8:57:30 AM

    This whole thing was explained to me by a soldier I once knew, and he said this to me before 9/11 happened.
    "I hope there's a war, because I want to kill somebody. A man needs to kill. I'm a man. I need to kill." He said this in a quiet, moderate tone of voice, like as if talking about the weather. "What's wrong with you that you say such awful things?" I said. "Nothing. I'm just a normal guy. I need to kill. That's all." It was a big eye-opener to me. I did not understand that deep down all men had such a need to kill people. But I guess it's true. And he got his wish. There is a war. He sure must be happy now.

    • Posted By: efcondon @ 12/10/2008 1:23:17 PM

      Not every man "wants" to kill. You just met 1 nut case and assumed we are all like that.

  • Posted By: efcondon @ 12/10/2008 1:12:40 PM

    I've been fighting for peace. Now I want a piece of what I've been fighting for!

    This was probably true 1000's of years ago, except for nerds vs jocks, but we kill each other over some of the most stupid things. ex; polotics, religion, and heritage.

  • Posted By: tomjones @ 12/10/2008 12:28:19 PM

    So overpopulation and inefficient distribution of resources is the problem, just as I always said....we will need population control from government even in the US if we are to survive, mark my words.

  • Posted By: tomjones @ 12/10/2008 12:27:02 PM

    So overpopulation and inefficient government is the problem. That is what I have been saying all along......

  • Posted By: Columhcille @ 12/10/2008 11:46:20 AM

    Even in a "civilized, modernized" world where women "can choose" the birth rate would be just as high as during warfare save for the fact that many choooooosee Abortion or Birthcontrol pills and other contraceptives over giving birth. If you look at the rate of which I'm sure women have sex vs actual reproduction...???? just because there's no war does not mean people aren't "reproducing" they're just not going as far as having the babies >D. And there are other forms of conflict that all-out warfare between nations.

    as far as human conflict goes, if you'll study the period between the fall of the roman empire and mid 1500s or so, during the medieval period of time, the upper crust of society pretty much made it their job to make war. they were gentry and knights and noblemen who had to spread their empires and yes, their seed, and that was what they did.. make excuses to go to war to rape and pillage and plunder. That is in part, where they obtain their income -that was their career. After hundreds of years, of consistent war and several recurring crusades of all sorts, there comes.. dun dun dun! the evolution of "Chivalry" . AT THIS TIME there was little ongoing conflict .. but guess what? they keep fighting. The evolution of chivalry comes from the old games of war where, when not in actual war, the knights can still proove their valor by jousting, etc, and beating the crap out of eachother on a game field :) yay. But, allllll of this effort toward impressing the opposite sex oft bent toward adulterous affairs because every woman over age of 13-14 who had begun her cycle and was able to bear children was married off asap... the vast majority of populations at the time were age 22 and under. Most people did not survive past their teens for disease and the like, and if they were at least 14-15 years of age, put em on the battle field and throw them into a trade skill and voila! they're adults now. This is the adult population you're dealing with at this early a time period. Teenage adults. Early twenties adults. Raging hormones!!! come on guys! a entire society practially run by young men who only know how to fight -for survival and for sex, and for money. The mentality of the times because this was the majority of the population had to be completely different.. and very competitive I could imagine, because many did not live through the fighting and disease to see their 40s-50s.

    If you haven't read it yet, read the book "A Distant Mirror". good one on early history.

  • Posted By: dirtplay @ 12/10/2008 11:46:07 AM

    Money means POWER and what atracts a Female more than POWER !!!!!!

  • Posted By: dirtplay @ 12/10/2008 11:43:26 AM

    And a Rich man gets more of what he wants than a Poor man. POWER and what atracks a Female more than power!!!!!

  • Posted By: melaniefrompa @ 12/10/2008 8:09:14 AM

    It makes perfect sense to methat woman are the best hope for a stable, peaceful world. Women have always been the center of the family, community and are the primary educators and role models for the next generation. When women live in dignity with education and equal rights soiety can flourish. When men are the primary decision makers we suffer with ego and aggression controlling our society, just look at our gun loving, war making, power driven society righ here in the U.S.

    • Posted By: see the big picture @ 12/10/2008 10:55:19 AM

      It appears that most , if not all modern wars are set up by govts. (and thier leaders ) that have an interest in
      in making money- and there's alot to be made in the "business of war".

    • Posted By: see the big picture @ 12/10/2008 10:54:10 AM

      It appears that most , if not all modern wars are set up by govts. (and thier leaders ) that have an interest in
      in making money- and there's alot to be made in the "business of war".

    • Posted By: john_700@hotmail.com @ 12/10/2008 10:45:17 AM

      Gee, that's unique! And Golda Meir and Margret Thatcher (who have lead their countries into war) must be transvestites, then.

  • Posted By: ccrone7 @ 12/10/2008 10:49:15 AM

    Mayo,,Bears, horses, dogs, and lions ARE mammals. Pay attention!

  • Posted By: mcsleepy @ 12/10/2008 9:54:11 AM

    How can someone be a behavior analyst and not see that animals do kill their own kind? Many forms of fish and crustaceans do this. Ants, bees, and wasps do this. Many species of birds do it.. Lizards, turtles and crocodilians do it. Bears, horses, dogs, and lions do it. Most of the time "reproductive rights" are the instigators of violence, but not always-- sometimes it is territoriality, and some animals apparently just kill for the sake of killing sometimes.

    This drivel that "only humans kill their own" denies scientific observation around the world.

    And then to leap to the conclusion that when women control their own reproductive output violence goes down also denies observable facts. Let's see, what country has the highest violent crime rate, including murder, domestic violence, and rape? I believe the experts keep telling us it is the good old USA. And what country grants women the greatest control over their reproductive output? Yep, it's the good old USA again. This does not seem to support these "experts' " conclusions.

    • Posted By: lesidhiye @ 12/10/2008 10:42:59 AM

      So, if the USA stops "granting" women it's reproductive rights, the USA would be a better place? Interesting thought, considering during the 19th century the "good Ol' USA" was involved in lots of wars, the War of 1812, Barbary Wars, the Creek Indian Wars, The Mexican-American War, the Civil War, The Spanish American War, and the Franco-American Naval War. I don't think there is enough room to mention all the small skirmishes in which people were being forcibly removed from their lands (Native American, First People, poor settlers, or otherwise). You know what's really sad though, I think you proved the author's point in the most simplistic way.

      As to addressing the issue about animals killing or not killing others of its' own species, I think you missed the point of the article. Humans are notorious for systematically coming up with new ways of killing each other in the name of war. We have industries devoted to the topic of war. Personally, I would love to see a bunch of lobsters organizing with more protective body armor, crawling 100 ft to do battle with other lobsters or crabs (because crabs are different and don't deserve to live with the lobsters). I just don't see that happening.

    • Posted By: paulte @ 12/10/2008 10:21:33 AM

      South Africa, not the USA, has the highest crime rate in the world. Post apartheid South Africa that is. The USA may have had the highest crime rate when apartheid was in place in South Africa though.

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