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Rubin’s Detail Deficit

Obama's new team is heavy with Rubinistas, but nobody's perfect—even, it turns out, Rubin.

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  • Posted By: ok4u @ 12/05/2008 10:15:33 AM

    Rubin, Democrat, mentor of those Democrats Obama has selected to repair the problem, very highly paid millionaire chairman of Citigroup, was not hauled before Congress to bring a plan for recovery. No, instead Citigroup receives a bailout free of any hassle. Oh.

  • Posted By: LaVern @ 12/04/2008 4:20:53 PM

    I don't believe anybody that is going to run our banking system should come from the Investment Bank System. They should come from the Commercial Bank World, especially the small well-run rural banks. That's why I believe Robert Rubin's selection on the Obama Team was a poor one. I would have liked to have seen Robert Reich chosen instead because he knows a lot more about how to establish jobs in this country. Not have an INVESTMENT BANKER, working as a HEDGE FUND DEALER, selling CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS, which Mr. Rubin, himself, says he doesn't understand. Two quotes from the article, "Rubin's Detail Deficit" by Evan Thomas and Michael Hirsh in the December 8 issue, "Everyone agrees we have to save Citi, so we're throwing hundreds of billions at it because it was so poorly managed, and yet there's Robert Rubin sitting right there in the middle of it and he's been looked to as a wise man," says Dean Baker, cofounder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a left-leaning think tank in Washington. "It's outrageous. We're turning to the same people who made this mess in the first place." The second quote: "Rubin is thoughtful, good-humored, convincing--but perhaps he protests too much. He may not have been the architect of the financial world that has been imploding for the last year or so. But he was, as the great Cold War Secretary of State Dean Acheson once wrote of his own role, "present at the creation." At Treasury, Rubin was a proponent of loosening the Depression-era laws barring banks from becoming investors, and he opposed attempts to regulate those newfangled (and hard-to-understand) financial instruments called derivatives." If our legislators are going to give all these corporations bailout money, they better TAX THE HEDGE FUND DEALERS, particularly the ones headquartered offshore and put on a surcharge to pay for this. We can't keep borrowing from Social Security. It's criminal.
    Yours truly, Disgusted Middleclass Taxpayer, LaVern Isely

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 12/02/2008 8:52:06 PM

    I notice that for the past eight years the country has had a split White House/Congress politcal party situation. Neither party has been particularly blameless. Both the White House and Congress have been actively supporting deregulation. I still like my idea that deregulation must fail, and that failure is known to the regulators when they deregulate. If deregulation were workable then the regulations would never have been created in the first place.

    The 'leopard', the humans running businesses, does not change his spots. If you have a man-eating leopard, then put that leopard in a cage, the man eating will stop. But if you notice that the leopard hasn't eaten anyone for years you don't use that as justification for removing the cage. We 'caged' the financial 'leopard' after we had the Great Depression. Then we had no depressions for years and used that as an excuse to 'uncage the leopard.' Now the 'leopard' is feasting again.

  • Posted By: Azim @ 12/01/2008 10:54:22 AM

    Well, Robert Rubin was not picked as President elect Obama's Economic team at this time because he himself said that he was not interested in any positions offered by the upcoming Administration. But, it is the people that are picked by Mr. Obama's economic team are indeed the prodigies of Rubin, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, they have all worked for Bob Rubin and the successes that this country had enjoyed during that period of economic expansion. Yes, it is pretty easy to criticize a person with that kind of immense knowledge about financial institutions but one has to look for the success that this secretary of treasury has brought to the success of this country's economy.

    When he says that while he was in the treasury, he did not understand the complexity of the so called "Derivatives" or the swaption, he means it. Yes, he may have allowed this function to continue because of the pressure from the free marketer Republicans in the Congress. There were too many loose canons supporting the overwhelming "Deregulation" to continue while the Administration wanted to put some type of oversight implemented to curve that policy to continue. That was in the 90's but what happened once Bob Rubin and his party left Washington? It was the new Bush Administration that could have done something about this mess. Even they went further to implementing much more relaxed "Deregulation" agenda to continue that has brought us to this situation.

    It is not that we should trigger finger pointing instead how well we can curve out a successful Financial Policy that will not jeopardize the American economy in the long run. We could still implement successful free market economy with proper transparency and oversight with responsible regulation that will not jeopardize the American economy. In my view, we need people like Robert Rubin's advice and consent as this President elect has asked for at this time of economic desperately in our history. Also, it is fair to point out that if it were not Bob Rubin's financial policy; we would not have had a country without a Deficit that this country had enjoyed in the 90's. It is thus Clinton, Bob Rubin that posted the first Budget surplus in 50 years of American Financial history. It is with that time has come that once again we can reclaim an era of responsible Government that will pursue policies of proper transparency, regulation and oversight that will have a positive impact in the American economy.

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 12/01/2008 12:28:31 PM

      I agree with you that Robert Rubin is not solely responsible for the mess. But he is part of a large group who are responsible. The Obama team members who worked with Mr. Rubin need to learn from their mistakes. Any worker, at any level, is responsible for what happens by or under him/her while he/she is performing that job. That responsibility extends even after that person is no longer performing that job, as long as the original work happened on his/her watch. He did not understand the complexity of deriviatives, but he was responsible for getting an underestanding of them. His choice to not get the understanding of derivatives does not absolve him of the responsibility for what happened to derivatives. If someone with Mr. Rubin's experince doesn't have the ability to understand derivatives then they are clearly so complex as to be doomed to failure. This was something else that he was responsible for understanding, and which he failed to understand.

      Yes, we had a budget surplus and the economy looked good during his tenure. It was how the budget was balanced and why the economy grew that laid the seeds for today's problems. The budget deficts of today and tomorrow have their origin in the reasons for the budget surpluses of yesterday. The economic downfall of today has its origins in the economic growth due to bad long term business practices of yesterday.

      • Posted By: Azim @ 12/02/2008 12:59:13 PM

        Again, I said in my blog stating that the Clinton Administration left Washington in 2000. There was a new team that was in charge. If they were that serious why they the Republicans did not put a stop to the situation? Afterall, the disaster occured in their hands. Now, since they did not foresee the problem, it is those group of people like Robert Rubin and comany are going to lead a transparent agenda to right the wrong in the past. Have some faith Holly!

  • Posted By: austin c @ 12/02/2008 12:36:05 PM

    As Treasury secretary, Rubin pushed to allow banks to get into riskier businesses, namely risky mortgage lending and securities. while another Clinton cabinet member in charge of housing, Henry Cisneros pushed to relax the government restriction on mortgage lending and increased the amount of subprime mortgage loans, see NY times article below:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/business/19cisneros.html

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 12/02/2008 8:50:07 AM

    Mr. Rubin states that 'everyone was caught by surpirse by the severity of the collapse.' Another current article from a major business news service, is about how several government analysts foresaw this exact event back in 2004-05. There were meetings and conferences among the government's alphabet soup of finance agencies, but nothing changed. The change would require unanimous consensus, and the Treasury/Fed weren't going to change regulatory direction. So it is a lie to say that it wasn't predictable. This collapse WAS predictable, it WAS predicted, and the people who could have stopped it were fully, repeatedly, and loudly informed of this collapse. His statement that it wasn't predictable is an outright lie, one meant solely to allow him to wrongfully avoid responsibility. I doubt, given the level and extent of the arguments in the meetings and conferences, that Mr. Rubin could have been unaware of the predictions.

  • Posted By: thinkotsdbox @ 12/01/2008 7:52:33 AM

    Ya where was this before the election? Democrats had a hand screwing up our country too?
    Now we're a one party state

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 11/29/2008 11:33:00 PM

    Ahh, the old refrain so often used by Alan Greenspan, I am not responsible. When most people take on a job they are responsible for the results of their work. I was just one of the pack, the rest of the pack is responsible, but I am not. Baloney, he was a leader of the pack. One of the best ways to assure a future repeat of this debacle is to not hold the leaders of the pack responsible. I have a theory that says deregulation MUST fail. My logic is that regulation is a response to a pre-existing problem. Therefore if the regulation is removed the original problem will return. If lack of regulation didn't work the first time, before the regulation existed, then there is no logical reason to believe that it will work the second time, after the regulation is removed. Unfortunately, this is so simple and obvious to the meanest intelligence that it is completely ignored by those sitting in the ivory towers making arcane pronouncements.

    I have been a hands-on electronics engineer and technician for many years. The number of 'new and innovative' products I have seen that fail miserably because they ignored old, tried and true principles is almost endless. The number of products I have seen that worked exactly like they should work, easily and reliably, I can count on one hand. When I look at these 'new and innovative' financial products I see products that ignore the old, tried and true financial principles. I have seen products that spread risk and treat that the same as lowering risk. The risk doesn't disappear. When a single mortgage has one owner and fails there is a good chance that a workout can be negotiated. When a single mortgage has 10 owners a workout is virtually impossible. This actually increases the total risk, not decrease it.

    One definition of a genius is a person who can take something simple and make it appear so complex as to appear impossible. Geniuses have been hired by Wall St. to develop these complex instruments. Unfortunately, these complex geniuses don't have leadership based on simple, but sound, financial principles to govern their direction. The leaders of these financial institutions and government agencies ARE responsible. If they aren't responsible then no one is responsible. And if no one is responsible then we are doomed to repeat the past.

    The people who dismantled the legal structures put in place to prevent a repeat of the Great Depression are responsible for this recession. They knew, without any doubt, what they were doing when they did it.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/30/2008 5:59:39 PM

      Regulations must be revised every 10 years, there must be special panel of analysts, whose only duty will be recommend changes to newtralize new MIT grads tricks. Instead we have old farts not capable of catching with changes.

    • Posted By: guillone @ 11/30/2008 11:36:44 AM

      Holly Garfield,
      I think your comments on spot on. Excellent take on the situation. These guys ripped us off on a level
      I didn't think was possible. Can you imagine the devastation the next scam they're cooking up will bring?

  • Posted By: tlunde @ 11/30/2008 11:09:45 AM

    Rubin, Raines, Goreick and all the other Gov/Private have done what Jeffery Skillins at Enron went to JAIL for...only much worse. What they have done has destroyed the world economy! Where is Newsweek and the attorney general's office? Stop writing about Sarah Palin and get to work.

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