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  • Posted By: eaglearms @ 12/03/2008 12:37:56 PM

    The policies of huge high ceiling energy sucking showrooms, ripoff repair costs, dismal or non existant customer service, incompetant and/or inept technitions, low quality and reliability, out of touch execs with obscene compensation plans coupled with unparalleled corporate greed reflected at all levels of the company has finally caught up with the automakers.
    They need to close shop and start with a clean sheet.
    A bale out will only prolong the inevitable.
    Yes, the ongoing attrition that has been happening for over one hundred years should and will continue until there is one or none and rightfully so. Survival of the fittest.

  • Posted By: eaglearms @ 12/03/2008 12:17:50 PM

    Instead of giving themselves big bonus's and flying around in corporate jets, the US automaker execs should do what the Orientals do when they fail.
    Fall on their swords!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: eaglearms @ 12/03/2008 12:17:12 PM

    Instead of giving themselves big bonus's and flying around in corporate jets, the US automaker execs should do what the Orientals do when they fail.
    Fall on their swords!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Quag Mire @ 12/03/2008 10:43:20 AM

    This is the wrong answer. Your artical notes that the Big Three own less than 50 of the U.S. market, and there in lies the problem. Consolidation will just multiply the over-capacity, leading to lay-offs and more plant closings reducing the percentage further. More market share is needed at home and abroad. Ask youself how much market share does GM, Ford have in Japan and why? Soon we can concede the entire market like was done in radios, TV, and other electronic until we have no manufacturer in those markets. Is 0% perferable to 50%? Add up the taxes paid by these corporations and their employee in one year alone, add in the Unemployment payments that will go out instead of revenue recieved, then make a comparable loan availible, nothing will be lost except time. The Asian and European markets subsidize their industries, we should support ours as well. FYI - your information is as antiquated as the 1967 picture your posting. Try keeping up with the times, your automotive community has!!

  • Posted By: Quag Mire @ 12/03/2008 10:41:08 AM

    This is the wrong answer. Your artical notes that the Big Three own less than 50 of the U.S. market, and there in lies the problem. Consolidation will just multiply the over-capacity, leading to lay-offs and more plant closings reducing the percentage further. More market share is needed at home and abroad. Ask youself how much market share does GM, Ford have in Japan and why? Soon we can concede the entire market like was done in radios, TV, and other electronic until we have no manufacturer in those markets. Is 0% perferable to 50%? Add up the taxes paid by these corporations and their employee in one year alone, add in the Unemployment payments that will go out instead of revenue recieved, then make a comparable loan availible, nothing will be lost except time. The Asian and European markets subsidize their industries, we should support ours as well. FYI - your information is as aniquated as the 1967 picture your posting. Try keeping up with the times, your automotive community has!!

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 12/03/2008 6:43:34 AM

    Union bashing is wrong too...

    The union struggle brought good wages to auto workers,made them the " aristocracy " of the working class,brought them high standards of living..

    Now that the industry is in crisis,the workers may accept lower salaries,but they already have made relatively good money...

  • Posted By: kenmi @ 12/02/2008 10:00:59 PM

    The American auto industry is vastly underrated. It created the middle class. Union members died to earn your benefits. A good workplace, like freedom is not FREE. These incredibly naive attitudes are why this country is cliff diving. Wake up!

  • Posted By: Riled @ 12/02/2008 9:17:15 PM

    I hope you and the other authors who see the folly of no strings handouts to the jokers running the "Wee Three" continue to publicize your views. We need Washington to hear what you have to say

  • Posted By: SurryMark @ 12/02/2008 7:41:43 PM

    Unions have some money, and a powerful ability to negotiate with themselves, with retirees, and with union-shop suppliers. Shareholders might do well to look at union ownership of at least one of the car companies.

  • Posted By: juicyt2000n3 @ 12/01/2008 3:35:19 PM

    NineT930thTA you may be correct about the price and the fuel economy of american cars versus japanese cars, but the real problem is that the japanese have never put a piece of crap car on the road. the closest thing i think would be a toyota paseo! and still you can find a few of thoes things that still run..@!!!! GM screwed up when they went to selling their "N" body cars.. pontiac GRAND AM, olds Calais, and every other crap car that had the legendary Quad 4 engine.... and for ford it was the trillion and one tempos and topazes.. the bottom line is that detroit thought they had the auto industry on lock-down, when infact the japanese were capitolizing on every dumb mistake they made.. i mean lets face it! who wants a piece of crap car that wont make it 65k miles without a major repair.... I've worked for GM for about 15 years, until three years ago i moved over to Toyota! They just make a more reliable car.. AND YES YOU MAY EVEN PAY A LITTLE MORE FOR IT!!

    • Posted By: MylesJ @ 12/01/2008 4:04:43 PM

      You are probably not old enough to have worked on the early years of Japanese vehicles in this country. There was on Toyota model that you could destroy by slamming the door or dragging your foot across the paper thin floor covering. Those cars made the old Renault Dauphine look like fine machinery. Over time the Japanese improved while the US manufacturers refused to acknowledge the high cost structure that would grind them down over the last 30 years.

      • Posted By: McLovinB @ 12/02/2008 7:24:24 PM

        Haha. The Japanese cars were good enough for Japan. They had to get used to producing them for BEARLY BURLY MEN like you, I guess.
        They certainly have come a long way, and will readily admit it. Suzuki started as a bicycle shop. 50 years later they were producing the most fuel efficient automobile that GM ever sold.
        Break up these failed American companies and make the assets available to young people with energy, and they can do what the Japanese did. Try to protect and guard the money for the rich lazy stupid people and you will wind up with an auto industry like England's.

        America needs to make important choices. It cannot merely look to the past, and it does not know the future. Looking to the experience of other countries would be a great idea.

  • Posted By: PoliSciProf @ 12/02/2008 8:38:54 AM

    Keith Naughton errors when he attributes the idea of "creative destruction" to Nietzshe. It was the ecomonist and political theorist Joseph Schumpater who coined and popularized this term in the context of capitalism. Nietzsche did 'philosophize with hammer" but this has nothing to do with "creative distruction" in modern political economy.

    • Posted By: McLovinB @ 12/02/2008 7:15:28 PM

      Schumpeter was a hero. His great idea was that capital CAN be wasted if it is left in the hands of people who do not know what to do with it. Ideally, capital should flow from failed enterprises to successful enterprises. Thereby, new capital is created and the cycle continues.
      This is a classic case. Detroit has clearly failed. If we give it MORE capital and let it preserve its control over the capital it has, it will continue to waste valuable American resources.
      Alternatively, if it goes bankrupt, someone will buy all of those factories. The machinery might be melted down or sent to China, but it is much much more likely that some entrepreneur will say. ...Hey, I can make something with this.... It might be an Edsel or a Tucker or a DeLorean, who knows... but the price of the capital will fall until it can earn a decent return. That is a positive healthy process.
      A related concept is SUPPLY CREATES ITS OWN DEMAND, which is theoretically suspect, but it says that, with all those workers and all that machinery, something is bound to happen in a positive way. The problem is the current management, current contracts, etc. , which we should not meddle with. That all has to be destroyed so that that industry can start again.

  • Posted By: cheapster505 @ 12/02/2008 2:13:54 AM

    and by the way the unions in JApan are a lot bigger and tougher than in the US the US told the JAPAN gov't they had to reconize UNIONs after ww2 so the unions became powerful in all industries in Japan and more corrupt the autos makers were pleased to move to America (south) were no unions allowed sothey jumped @ chance to dump their UNIONS so they could build cheaper in AMERICA TRUE

    • Posted By: McLovinB @ 12/02/2008 7:14:19 PM

      Unions in Japan are not corrupt, and not very active. They work well with management, which has very low salaries, and they concentrate on improving production and safety. Unions are powerful, but power is not conflict. They recognize the needs of the industry and work as stakeholders, not competitors, with management. It is a mature and reasonable attitude.
      Their plants in the US decrease transportation, distribution, and tarriffs. American non-union workers are not that attractive really, in terms of trainability, productivity, etc. Americans want to play, not work.

  • Posted By: scheetzini @ 12/02/2008 9:19:42 AM

    The days of our lives being controlled by the oil, gas, and highway industry are over.
    Vehicles must and will all be electric or hybrid sooner than later.
    The idea of a union is indeed correct when properly operated. They have, especially the auto union, taken a grossly illogical advantage over the company and the public of which they are a member. Lets move on and get away from the ancient history of oil and gas

  • Posted By: proudpapaw @ 12/02/2008 9:03:47 AM

    if you think the answer is go the way of the steel industry . let mister ross by the plants for less then the product on the ground , after advis ing the industry for over 20 yrs on how to siphon pension and health care moneys, and sell them off to a man from india.I waldked away from the theives after 29 yrs plus. P.s. If it were not for the unions this country would not be as great as it is. THe banking industry needs someone like A UNION. watching over them. god bless you all Lyman bond

  • Posted By: proudpapaw @ 12/02/2008 8:54:15 AM

    yea ross helped advise the steel industry tillthey spent all the legacy money the men had saved over 40-50 yrs. then he swooped down and picked the bones and sold us off to a guy in india. what a success story . it's crimanal and the gov played along with it. . job lost to ltv after 29 yrs 3 mo. god bless everyone Lyman Bond FL.

  • Posted By: PoliSciProf @ 12/02/2008 8:34:50 AM

    Keith Naughton errors when refers to Nietsche's Creative Destruction. The phrase "creative destruction" was coined by Joseph Schumpater. Nietzsche did "philsophize with a hammer, and had no concern with economic or policy matters. Dr. Mel Kulbicki

  • Posted By: cheapster505 @ 12/02/2008 2:06:03 AM

    Anyone who blames the UNIONS are blaming the wrong party Remember this as our living standard gets lower and lower and the bennies "PENSION"HEALTH"LIVING WAGES disappear the unions were the first to get these than the rest followed now that they are doisappearing only the teachers and civil servants will have them @ taxpayer expense WE will start losing holidays than time off than vacation time all the things we take for granted someone else fought to gain

  • Posted By: cheapster505 @ 12/02/2008 2:00:10 AM

    the BIG three had 30+ years to make a fuel efficent car in the 70's the oil embargo opened the door for Japanese cars DIDN'T learn the driving public lost intrest so big fuel guzzlers we paid the price but didn't learn so We are about to repeat Low GAS prices will make us forget until next Summer when We will cry again Americans never learn

  • Posted By: distantsmoke @ 12/02/2008 12:34:20 AM

    Distilling the big 3 into a single entity is what we used to call a "monopoly". Monopolys are bad for free markets.

    I completely agree with basedrum777. The unions need to face reality. And the reality is that American Automakers can't compete in a global market with higher overhead costs than any other automaker.

    But the automakers also need to face the reality that many people like me don't want to pay for gas anymore, at any price. I hate feeling like I'm subsidizing my own destruction. They need to get all the 10lb brains into a room and come up with a way for me to have my personal transportation (with no gas), and at a reasonable price. If they did that the rest of the world would be kissing Detroit's feet and begging for a piece of the action.

  • Posted By: mykeyre @ 11/30/2008 10:07:40 AM

    Saving the big three
    In the last election, much was made of Joe the plumber. I feel maybe America forgot, Mike the car salesman.We as patriotic Americans honor all of our veterans Please consider this .When our freedom was in danger in the early years of WWII,the American car companies(The very ones fighting for their survival), retooled their factories, and produced tanks, jeeps, and other military hardware, at a pace never before seen! The industrial output of the "Big Three" won the war for this country, along with Rosie the Riveter, and millions like her. Our industry saved the democracy Franklin Roosevelt called GM the arsenal of democracy.. Now , many say "let the car companies die."Douglas Macarthur once said" Old soldiers never die, they just fade away.Our Biggest veteran..fading away... Congressmen, Senators, ..Please consider this Aid Package carefully, along with the ripple effect the closures would have on the steel, rubber, and transportation industries, touching ery community in our nation..These companies rose to the occasion in our nation's darkest hour.They deserve better! "Veterans Benefits",... if you will. How ironic, should these companies fail, that American car buyers two main choices, would be Japanese or German cars! The very two countries these automotive giants helped to defeat when they threatened our very existence!The third option would be Korean cars. Again a place where American blood has been spilt . The Auto companys saved us.....Lets save them! Should they perish, it wouuld be a shame indeed!......... for more thoughts see http://www.hubpages.com+mike+the+salesman

    • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 12/01/2008 8:58:03 PM

      To say nothing of the millions reaped by those Companies during the years not spent to better America but instead to line the pockets of the executives is to ignore the truth. Don't make it seem like we owe them when in essence they caused their own downfall.

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