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This Fire Needs to Be Put Out

The horrific attacks in Mumbai should be a call to arms for the region.

By Fareed Zakaria | NEWSWEEK
Published Nov 29, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Dec 8, 2008

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  • Posted By: mountainbreez @ 03/10/2009 9:00:39 AM

    Fareed Zakaria is a slef loathing Muslim , and a political hack.

    The guy showed once and again an incredible and embarressing lacking of knowledge and grasp of realities in almost every topic he chooses to engage in analysis and debtae!!!

    He has been caught by keen obersvors as well as ordinary listeners while flip flopping about the same issue , often adopting on one stance a staggering 180 degress change of heart and an acrobatic somersault ony befitting of a clown!!!

    Fareed Zakaria is a political hack of the largest caliber, a pseudo pundit who thought he could conquer his humble racial and national origins by adopting hawkish neocon attitudes and false -unbecoming of him in particular- guise of elitism

    Gees Fareed, you almost fooled the whole lot of us to believe for a moment you were an all American WASP like
    conservative elitist.

    GET OVER YOURSELF YOU HINDU ISLAMOPHOBE SCUM Bahindi..

  • Posted By: mountainbreez @ 03/10/2009 9:00:08 AM

    Fareed Zakaria is a slef loathing Muslim , and a political hack.

    The guy showed once and again an incredible and embarressing lacking of knowledge and grasp of realities in almost every topic he chooses to engage in analysis and debtae!!!

    He has been caught by keen obersvors as well as ordinary listeners while flip flopping about the same issue , often adopting on one stance a staggering 180 degress change of heart and an acrobatic somersault ony befitting of a clown!!!

    Fareed Zakaria is a political hack of the largest caliber, a pseudo pundit who thought he could conquer his humble racial and national origins by adopting hawkish neocon attitudes and false -unbecoming of him in particular- guise of elitism

    Gees Fareed, you almost fooled the whole lot of us to believe for a moment you were an all American WASP like
    conservative elitist.

    GET OVER YOURSELF YOU HINDU ISLAMOPHOBE SCUM Bahindi..

  • Posted By: salimBinHaylee112 @ 12/01/2008 9:41:16 AM

    Saudi Arabia wants to create an Arab Caliphate in India??? hahahaaaa what a *** joke, listen I live in Saudi Arabia we are trying our best to stay away from smelly Indians because they try illegally to come to my country and they sleep on the streets and try to rape saudi girls, why the hell would we want to go to India for? we want NOTING to do with you smeely people. and KSA doesnt support no terrorists group that is just stupid assumption, we just want you looney toons to LEAVE KSA alone Thank you!

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 8:26:40 AM

      SALIM, me thinks ur the pot callin ye kettle black...oh, thanx for letting us use the airbase WE built during the course of these wars. With friends like you, who needs enemies. If we didn't need ur oil, ur "kingdom" would be a vast glass parking lot. You 2 faced m-f*^%er!!!

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/01/2008 1:05:22 PM

      And what do you do with women that are raped? Oh, yeah, you execute them. For being the victim of a crime.

      Your culture is barbaric. You have no room to criticize Indians.

      • Posted By: Afzaalkhan @ 12/07/2008 2:26:02 PM

        u should talk abt woman rights> shall i talk abt sati?

    • Posted By: Layman @ 12/01/2008 10:30:29 AM

      Here are two points, which you as a Saudi-Arab, may have difficulty understanding. So, get a Indian or another expatriate.

      1. Pray to Allah that Indians do not leave KSA - because if they do, you cannot run the economy. You cannot even make a bicycle. You will starve to death, your king will run off to the US.

      2. Rape of Arab girls ? Most men in the civilized world (i.e. non-Saudis) would rather sleep with a pig.

      Does that tell you what the civilized world thinks of KSA?

  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 12/01/2008 12:16:05 PM

    Is there any discussion here of the murderous 2002 anti-Muslim rioting by Hindu nationalists in India, leaving thousands of Muslims dead in its wake? Or that nobody ever went to jail over that? The author is quite right about the self-defeating strategy of the separatists who partitioned India after the Raj, but thats water under the bridge (unless someone sees potential for a reunification movement now...I sure don't).

    There is violence on many, if not all, sides of the various ethnic divides in India, but especially on both sides of the conflict between the politically, economically and socially dominant Hindu majority, and India's Muslim minority. It seems unreasonable to attribute blame for all the violence to the allegedly-stultifying effects of Islam... Hinduism is in many ways an even more primitive religion, transparently developed as a pretext for preserving the dominance of an invader over an indigenous populace the invader had conquered, long before Islam's Prophet drew his first breath. There is nothing about Hinduism that makes its native ethnic communities any more enlightened, or naturally less brutal or violent at their worst, than those of Muslims. People resort to violence when they feel justified in doing so, whether because of desperation, such as that arising from oppression, or out of arrogance and contempt for others, especially for a community we deem to be"foreign", as lesser beings.

    White Americans, presumably Protestant Christians, once rioted in Oklahoma, burned homes and businesses, and murdered many black Americans. There were a number of violent riots involving black Americans during the 1960s, too. And church bombings by white racists, bombings of military recruiters by putative American "Peace activists"...and what of our own unprovoked invasion of Iraq, with its horrific "Shock and Awe" campaign of destruction from the air... terrorism? "Islamic radicals" might be useful to some partisans as a rallying cry but Islam doesn't have any monopoly of terror tactics and other mindless violence.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/01/2008 12:38:51 PM

      "Is there any discussion here of the murderous 2002 anti-Muslim rioting by Hindu nationalists in India, leaving thousands of Muslims dead in its wake?"

      Does this excuse random killings in the street? Were the people murdered responsible for the earlier rioting?

      • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 8:12:06 AM

        Well, sounds like they got a good dose of thier own medicine...how do they like it?

      • Posted By: arnold2k @ 12/01/2008 1:28:37 PM

        No one is excusing any one, Doc Howl, Random killings in streets are often perpetrated by Hindu zealots at any excuse they can find. As for acts of terror like the Mumbai attacks no Muslim worth his salt would even condone such act and it is time Indians stopped blaming 150 Indian Muslims just because of a few thugs who claimed to be 'Muslim' or fighting for some perverted version of Islam.

        • Posted By: Layman @ 12/01/2008 1:45:27 PM

          arnold2k @ 12/01/2008 1:28:37 PM
          "Random killings in streets are often perpetrated by Hindu zealots"
          And where did this particular killing take place? I know the Indian Police Service is undermanned, but they would like to punish the criminal. Publish it on this forum and we will make sure that its addressed.

          • Posted By: arnold2k @ 12/01/2008 2:18:01 PM

            .The random killings took place in Gujarat, in Orissa in Mumbai in 1992 and so on. Surely you are not so ignorant. Learn to call a spade a spade, Layman.

            • Posted By: Layman @ 12/01/2008 2:33:29 PM

              arnold2k @ 12/01/2008 1:59:54 PM
              Yes, it is published by "catholicherald.co.uk". This is what is suspect. Essentially, you are asking me to trust an organization, the Catholic Church, which actually had paedophiles in its ranks of priests. Worse still, after knowing the priest's sexual weaknesses, the organization hid it and reassigned him (where he continued to assault small children).
              Don't mean to upset anyone, but this claim is unacceptable. Sorry.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/01/2008 1:38:12 PM

          "No one is excusing any one, Doc Howl, Random killings in streets are often perpetrated by Hindu zealots at any excuse they can find. "

          While there are plenty of well documented cases of Hindu on Muslim and Hindu on Christian violence, that does not justify this attack. With a billion or so people in India, what are the odds that these murderers killed anyone involved in any of these previous acts of violence?

          No, there can be no excuse for these massacres; no mitigating factors are present or even possible.

    • Posted By: Layman @ 12/01/2008 1:20:45 PM

      Iconoblaster @ 12/01/2008 12:16:05 PM
      This forum was to express an opinion about the recent act of terrorist aggression in Mumbai, India. Not about minorities in India. Nevertheless, since you expressed an opinion, let me say that you are wrong on several counts. In terms of statistics and in terms of morals.

      1. The number of Muslims killed is about 900. The number of Hindus who died is about 500. The number of Muslims killed is NOT in thousands. Secondly, this was a Reaction. Reaction are usually more violent. You may recall that US bombed Afghanistan to the stone age after 911. Why do you think an Indian reaction be any different?

      2. This was the FIRST time, in Indian riots, that the number of Muslims killed was greater than that of Hindus. Read that sentence again make sure you understand it. Since 1947, there have been many riots in India. In each and every one of them, more Hindu lives were lost than Muslim ones. The anger had been building up in several quarters since 1947 and this reaction was more extreme than expected. It has nothing to do with Hindu nationalists.

      Logically, I find some of the reactions strange. The riots that you mention are an internal matter of India. What gives one a moral authority to comment on it?
      The Western press virtually sat on its hands when Khmer Rouge eliminated 50% of Cambodia's population. The press was quiet while Mao eliminated 35 million Chinese. This is a long list. Once the moral highground is lost, its lost forever. As of now, you have no right to comment on the internal matters of ANY nation. So, Sir, kindly get off that high horse.

      "Hinduism is in many ways an even more primitive religion, transparently developed as a pretext for preserving the dominance of an invader over an indigenous populace the invader had conquered..."

      Wow! And how did we arrive at this gem? Perhaps you could quote some Hindu Scripture? Vedas? Puranas? Upanishad? Heck, I will settle for anything. So, we will wait for an answer.

  • Posted By: alohagal @ 12/02/2008 8:24:33 PM

    How odd that Mr. Zakaria in unison with the entire usa " knee jerk" media outlets are demonizing Pakistan before any evidence or investigation has even begun. Why the suspect assumption that Pakistan based groups could be behind this tragedy when India has over 400 extremist, violent Hindu factions which should be investigated.What about the BJP - under investigation by the same ATS Chief when he was murdered???

    • Posted By: benicetoall @ 12/04/2008 10:05:23 AM

      People like Alohagal can never see the truth about the PAKISTANI complicity in the attacks in Mumbai. Not because it does not exist or has not been published but because they are in a state of denial. Even the funding of the 9/11attacks came from Pakistan. Its time Pakistan was FIXED by the world community as it poses a threat to all civilized nations

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/04/2008 11:03:09 AM

        "Even the funding of the 9/11attacks came from Pakistan."

        You have proof of that?

        • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 8:05:29 AM

          So wat? The ISI and the P-stani gov. has been exposed for wat it is. A state sponsor of terror. If 1 or 2 people say ur a horse, you may just shrug it off, its only 2 people....but if 10 people tell you ur a horse, its time to get a SADDLE. P-stan has been labeled a "horse", by many nations, not just 1 or 2.

    • Posted By: Layman @ 12/03/2008 3:00:53 AM

      Society seems to do that.. esp. Western society. They blamed Nazis for the killing of Jews. When we had people like criminals like Al Capone. Totally, Totally, unfair.

  • Posted By: VIJAY SAMAGA @ 12/06/2008 10:14:22 AM

    Two major reasons for such people to involve in destructive acts are lack of education and lack of opportunities.Youth , especially in Asian countries are being lured into comitting such suicidial acts as these propagators provide solace to their burning anger and frustrations at the establishments as well as economic benefits which otherwise remain a dream . These people are told that they would be rewarded by their God if they destory others who do not think and pray alike. No GOD propagates KILLING in such dastardly manner. Isn't it SATANIC? The governments and establishments should provide opportunites for education and work so that these youth channlise for the overall good of the world- VIJAY SAMAGA

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 7:57:02 AM

      Like Chairman Mao said; Religion is the opium of the people...must have been talking about the wahhabi moslems. Coz I don't know of ANY Higher Power that condones the killing of innocents in His name. Wat Hypocrytes...Salman Rushdie was on to something when he wrote "Satanic Verses"...that didn't go over too good with the moslems.

  • Posted By: Dainzin Gyaco @ 12/10/2008 1:10:15 AM

    There are too many Hindu posting here....we need to hear from Pakistani and other Muslim too...

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 7:50:55 AM

      They say NOTHING coz they are complicit in thier SILENCE. P-stan, a nation of LIARS.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 12/16/2008 11:18:40 PM

    The US has again suceeded in swaying the view points of the people to be in its favour. Terrorism started in the US and was created by the US for its own agenda of the domination of the world. Now when the mayhem in Mumbai occured and people started to see the horror, they forget about the atrocities of the US in other parts of the world. This is how easy it is for the US to dominate the world!

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 7:49:06 AM

      You are a perpetual whiner aren't you? YOUR own corrupt, greedy, and terrorist supporting leaders are to blame for ur backward way of life and ur 700AD mindset. You hump, those animals kill women and children, and whine and moan when an air-strike kills some civvies coz they harbor terrorists. The ISI is a TERROR ORG>, the P-stani's are STATE SPONSORS of terror. Now go back to the hole you crawled out from, Hadji.

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 02/12/2009 7:42:25 AM

    Send MIRV to PAKISTAN, that should settle those PAKI's down. For good.

  • Posted By: Shah Rukh @ 12/20/2008 12:23:04 AM

    Th efounder of Pakistan Muhmmaded Ali Jinnah's grandfather was Poonja Meghji, a Bhatia from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah's ancestors were Hindu Rajputs that converted to Islam.

    Jinnah a hindoo convert became the father of islamic Republic of Pakistan!!!!!!

    At age 43 he married a 18 year old parsi girl!!!!!
    Before that Jinnah used to meet IN SECRET for 2 YEARS the underage parsi girl against her father's wishes!!!!!
    That would be a crime in USA!!!!!

    Just like the poet IQBAL The founder of Pakistan was DESCENDANT OF HINDOOS!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/11/2008 6:35:14 AM

    Don't forget that we are approaching December 17th the anniversary of the liberation of Bangladesh, which ended the bengali Muslim genocide. The Pakistani Army calls itself a ' Muslim' Army, but it had no compunction in butchering 3 million Bengali Sunni Muslims. Shias and Ahmediyas are fair game in Pakistan, which is why Iran is anti Pakistan. Please google 'Bangladeshi Genocide 1971' and read whicever links that you trust. The sad part is after claiming the world record for murdering the highest number of Muslims , the Pakistani Army claims Islamic credentials. How can they be Islamic?

  • Posted By: slap @ 12/10/2008 8:23:45 PM

    The attacks on Mumbai were yet another blow not just for the city, but for the who;e country which has now suffered some ten atttacks in the last year. Yet again we see the deaths of innocent men, women, and children whose only "crime" seems to have been their nationalities. Those who did manage to survive, albeit with horrific physical, and no doubt pyschological injuries, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Once again, the world is on edge, to a certain extent, not knowing where, and from whom, the next attack will come, and without a definite solution to the problem. In the case of the Mumbai attacks, together with all other attacks in the region, the solution must come from within the region.

    The Mumbai attacks have been widely, and quite rightly, condemned by governments all over the world. Offers of help have come, at least verbally, from other countries. The American Secretary of State, Condoleeza Rice, even flew to Mumbai to show American support for India. Yet, with hindsight was this the best move? While American support for India may be welcomed by many, the actual physical presence of Dr. Rice in Mumbai could potentially have done more harm than good, enraging the terrorists even more. As Fareed Zakaria said in 'The Politics of Rage:Why do they hate us?, terrorists hate America, and perhaps now by association Britiain, because of their freedom, wealth and stability. The perception of America still dominating the world is also a catalyst for their rage. While America and other countries should certainly not take a backseat in the fight against terrorism, perhaps a more diplomatic, and perhaps slightly less visible approach would be the best way to help other governments tackle the problem of terrorism.

    The Asian region is now one of the hotbeds of terrorism. Therefore, the solution to the problem must come from within the region. The question for the region, then, will be how to tackle it. Weak, corrupt governments and social unrest will always mean that the door is open for attack in any form. Governments in the region need to work together to become stronger, eradicate corruption form within, and learn how to deal with terrorism. Accepting help from other countries who have had experience in dealing with terrorism, such as the United States may be a step in the right direction.

    As former President Bill Clinton said in a recent lecture in Malaysia, "everything we know about economics, religion, and science tells us we have no choice but to share the future". Perhaps this could be applicable to politics too.

  • Posted By: Cherokee71 @ 12/10/2008 4:14:23 PM

    The crucial point is to remember the common enemy. When discussing causes and cures, never forget who is to blame first and foremost: the terrorists, the evil men who chose to deliberately kill innocent men, women and children, to burn young families to death. They are the ones who did it. - EXACTLY! It's time that these insane Muslim extremists get what they really want.. a free ticket to their so-called Paradise. These extremists are murderers.. pure and simple. They will be hunted down 1 by 1 until they are either dead or locked up. It's about time that America's alllies step up and help to chase these killers down. You can't hide from it. They'll be blowing up your buildings and hotels next. Why does American and Britain have to basically fight this on their own? Send your men and women to Afghanistan and join the fight. We are extremely under-militarized there and the Terrorist are going to chase us out.. if we don't get help.

  • Posted By: Layman @ 11/29/2008 8:53:46 PM

    The problem is: Terrorist attack on India.

    Western analysis:

    1. Caste problem in the Hindu society
    2. Kashmir 'problem' (and Mr.Mody of Gujarat, if possible)
    3. Poor economic conditions of Muslims in India (while forgetting that a even bigger Hindu population is at least as poor or poorer)
    4. Pakistan is a nuclear power (ooo... we need to get scared)
    5. Generally Bad infrastructure in India (bad roads, bad bridges etc).

    In other words, if terrorists attack you, its because you have been a bad boy!

    I think Jon Stewart once called current journalism, a big pile of excrement. After hearing CNN and BBC, one can only agree with Mr.Stewart.

    • Posted By: Dainzin Gyaco @ 12/10/2008 12:57:28 AM

      LAYMAN gave us a great comment!!! Applaud!!! Although some Hindu do not like hearing it, BUT THOSE REASONS ARE TRUE!! Do not alway blame Muslim and other neighbors. Be confident! Hindu! Treat the minority and muslim better please!!! Stop Schauvinism!!!

    • Posted By: anncrystal @ 11/30/2008 12:23:02 AM

      Layman: You bad mouth about other countries when they've been hit by Islamic terrorists. CNN and BBC always talks in length about other country problems unless UK or US is hit by Islamic terrorists. If any other country including India is hit by Islamic terrorists, then CNN or BBC will portray it as freedom fight or India's problems. If you're so biased, you'll learn when you're faced with islamic terrorists. After all, islamic terrorism is the creation of US and UK in cold war era. So it's your payback time.

    • Posted By: n_patel @ 11/29/2008 10:33:32 PM

      Layman the analysis you have given does not exist anymore...why don't you read the indian constitution which has abolished the caste system in INDIA since we got our INDEPENDENCE in 1957. We have affirmative action in INDIA as well and hindus are now at a disadvantage due to this.

      Indian government have empty seats for muslims and other minorities in colleges and give them scholarship. Other minorities are taking advantage of this and moving forward except for muslims who don't send their women and children to school and stay at their mosque and pray all day and then wonder why they dont have enough money.

      MY family was not very rich but my grandparents, uncles and parents worked hard and now reaping the benefits...they didn't go to their temples and blew up people. Their is problem of radical islam idelogy which is not being addressed here by fareed and you . And indian government is being accused when they are victims here. We gave muslims a free, democartic nation in INDIA ( FAR MORE compared to other muslim nations in middle east, bangladesh and PAKISTAN) and you are right LAYMAN we are reaping the benefits of being so righteoussssss.

  • Posted By: G8torfan8 @ 12/06/2008 4:15:54 PM

    ITs A SHAME... truth is never reported. INDIA is a secular Nation... AS a CHristian, Indian-AMerican born in India, I know first hand... All minorites as well as the Hindu majority share in the nation's economic wealth...True people are poor,,...but that's all over the world, Sub-Sahara Africa, ASia, other parts of world.All
    those people from other parts of the world became VIOLENT and COMMIT THESE MURDEROUS ACTS.....Hell
    no... I guess the people who t type about Persecution & lack of opportunities are blatant liars or IGNORANT>I have family in India .. I 've seen & rea & read firshand. Thank you.

    • Posted By: Dainzin Gyaco @ 12/10/2008 12:48:19 AM

      you are a liar... Hindu treated Muslim not well...Muslim could not share the economic growing up of this country...you should convert to Buddhism ...

    • Posted By: Afzaalkhan @ 12/07/2008 2:14:46 PM

      yeah and 100 christian just killed by hindu mobs in Orissa never happened, 2000 muslims killed in gujrat, figment of my imagination, dillat in bihar are living in paradise. Im tired of ur so called secularism, if u so secular why everyone has to sing band-e-matram why not sare jahan se accha hindustan humara? Babree masjid and golden temple never happened, india didnt 1st trained then tried to crush Tamil tigers, w

  • Posted By: G8torfan8 @ 12/06/2008 4:25:07 PM

    jbz7879... lets see a COUNTRY WHERE they practice BARABARIsm which is funded & trained by their MIlitary. WHO U THINK pays for SENOR jbz7879?
    THE AMERICAN taxpayer and IMF help pay for Pak Gov't funding every year. .. YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO QUESTION U.S. Media? WHEN THE PAK MEdia is WORSE THAN THE PROPAGANDA of the Soviet Union.OF
    course maybe thats's why you rely on Communist China as well for funding...

    • Posted By: Dainzin Gyaco @ 12/10/2008 12:43:17 AM

      All of people in this country should convert to Buddhism which insist peace and reconciliation. India should review the policy against Muslim.

  • Posted By: aslan@mt2009.com @ 12/05/2008 2:47:15 PM

    As a Turk, I can tell you this is all about Islam. I know the Muslim mind like a fish knows water !

    We Turkish people are very luckly to have had Kemal Ataturk as a leader. He did his best to weaken Islam.

    In Turkey a man can have only one wife. The fez was baned. We rejected the Arabic script. We rejcted the Muslim calendar.

    What Turkey is today is because of Ataturk. Islam kept us backwards until it was almost too late.

    In Turkey most educated people do not believe in Islam. We want to be a part of the West. Unfortunately, we have many people especially from the Eastern Turkey who have backward mentality. They also migrate to places like Istambul and they have lots of children.




    • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/07/2008 3:54:58 PM

      Aslan bey- Mustafa was the greatest leader of modern times. We Indians have learnt a lot about secularism from Ataturk. (Incidentally he gave Turkish women the right to vote in 1927- well before British and French women got the right). As an Indian I salute Turkey. Don;t let the Islamists destroy Ataturks legacy. God bless Turkish Army!

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/07/2008 3:51:14 PM

    Married to a Bengali, I keep asking this question: Why did the Pakistani Army butcher 3 million Bengali Muslims in 1971?

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/07/2008 3:49:40 PM

    Let us not forget the genocide of Bangladeshi Muslims committed by the Pakistani Army in 1971. 3 million Muslims were killed by the Pakistani Army, arguably the biggest genocide in recent times. That too conducted by the Pakistani Army on their co religionists. Some of the rape victims are still alive. My eyes were opened by Al Jazeera which ran a documentary on this.

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/07/2008 3:49:30 PM

    Let us not forget the genocide of Bangladeshi Muslims committed by the Pakistani Army in 1971. 3 million Muslims were killed by the Pakistani Army, arguably the biggest genocide in recent times. That too conducted by the Pakistani Army on their co religionists. Some of the rape victims are still alive. My eyes were opened by Al Jazeera which ran a documentary on this.

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