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  • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 5:09:48 PM

    TO newdee:

    Why don't you give me a proof where school kids are reading material that hitler is praised to high heaven..you sound like a PAKISTANI...why don't talk about madrassas where innocent kids are being brain -washed using radical islamic ideology and becoming terrorists..pls. send me the book...

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 5:09:05 PM

    TO newdee:

    Why don't you give me a proof where school kids are reading material that hitler is praised to high heaven..you sound like a PAKISTANI...why don't talk about madrassas where innocent kids are being brain -washed using radical islamic ideology and becoming terrorists..pls. send me the book...

  • Posted By: newdee @ 12/02/2008 5:02:31 PM

    @ n_patel
    Read my post again, and carefully this time around. I am not comparing India to Hitler. I am talking about your Hindu fascist organizations that burn churches, rape nuns, kill pastors and their small children. They are the ones that are printing material intended for your school kids in which Hitler is praised to high heaven. Hiding your head in the sand does not make them go away. Ignore them at your own peril: just don't expect American soldiers to give their lives to rescue you. Where did I say poverty and discrimination were grounds for terror? They are not.

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 5:01:37 PM

    Comment: why is INDIA being compared to hiltler's regime and PAKISTAN who is harboring these terrorists and doesn't even give its own muslim, christian population same rites like in INDIA being defended here.

    So even if a group is being oppressed...is it OK for them to blow up people like this...

    DOES THIS MEAN THAT 9/11 ATTACKS HAPPENED BECAUSE USA IS OPPRESSING ITS MINORITIES SUCH AS MUSLIMS, HINDUS, BHUDDHISTS, ETC ETC...AND DOES IT MAKE IT OKKKK?????

  • Posted By: ike@456 @ 12/02/2008 5:00:05 PM

    The jingoism coming from die hard Indians in this forum is truly stunning. If Islam is so bad and Muslim nations such cauldrons of evil then I wonder why is it that Indians keep flocking to the Middle East and gulf states including Saudi Arabia. At least half of UAE population, for example, now comprises of Indian expatriates. They make merry, do not have to pay taxes and enjoy income and standard of living unheard in their country, that promised land. Surely things are not that bad?

  • Posted By: k7aravind @ 12/02/2008 4:25:33 PM

    For those who talk about how India treats minorities. I am not here to say the info you have is totally wrong, but I am here to say it is not totally correct. I have also been affected by this for quite sometime. But I cannot take violence to fight or atleast I wont kill innocent. India is changing, we are still young, day by day we are learning whom to believe and whom not. It took around 200 yrs for even USA to treat everyone equal, remember how you guys were treating the minorities till 70's. I am not asking for 200 years, but the change will happen soon.
    We also know there are lot of bad elements within our country, who try to divide us in all possible ways.
    We will eliminate those scoundrels sooner or later. The truth is we know that the damage caused by our politicians to us is far more than the what terrorists did.

  • Posted By: ChristianAmerican @ 11/30/2008 10:53:14 AM

    America's sympathy with India is limited. Recent article on New York Times revealed a dark side of India that most Americans were unaware of: the killing and raping Chrsitian priests and nuns and forced conversion and explusion of Christians in India by Hindu terrorists with the complicity of local governments. This article was on the "most emailed article" of the Times for a week. This has damped the enthusaism about India among American Christians such as myself. Despite what the Neocons are saying, India is not WEST democracy - the country is plagued by numerous armed insurgencies and plague (and other exotic deadly diseases).

    • Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 12/02/2008 2:57:04 PM

      If you enjoy being angry, go ahead. If you American "Christians" have a dampened enthusiasm about India, we Hindus couldn't give a rat's ass.

      In fact, we wouldn't miss you at all.

    • Posted By: Layman @ 11/30/2008 12:40:44 PM

      India is not a Western democracy - and thankfully so too. Since India's problems are unique, the solutions have to be locally developed and will be unique too. Transplanting American solutions is most likely to fail. See our most recent experiment of such a transplant in Iraq - a trillion dollars spent and no solution in sight.

      Talking about crimes/rapes against missionaries: You may not be aware, in India, one could voluntarily change religion - but forced conversion is illegal, by law. In other words, convincing a person to become a Christian is acceptable, but holding a gun to his head and forcing him to convert is forbidden. I see no problem in this law and I don't see why Americans do. You would not be happy if Osama Bin Laden held a gun to your head and forced your wife to become a Mohemmedan, would you?

      I find it strange that Americans go to another nation and somehow expect American laws to be operational. I recall a Arab writer who expressed some trepidation over the fact that Americans found polygamy unacceptable; but free-sex acceptable. Do you have an answer?

    • Posted By: Sanjoy Das @ 11/30/2008 11:51:33 AM

      ChristianAmerican:

      First of all, the "Hindu terrorists" were poor mobs. The Christian-Hindu clash is the fault of a strong affirmative action (called "reservation policy") policy gone awry. The rivalry began as the Christian (low caste converts) benefitted more from the reservation policy than the Hindu Dalits (lower caste). Only a section of the American media painted it as an entirely religious issue. Yes, later on the Hindu rightwing rabble-rousing politicians (mostly about as rightwing as Sarah Palin for instance, although some would be closer to David Duke) exploited the situation for their own political gain. I know as I am originally from that area (Orissa) myself. The "conversion" to Hinduism was a "cleansing" ceremony really. Hinduism does not "convert" and the only Hindu is a born Hindu. I deplore the killing and raping. Lastly, religions in general are bad - Christianity, Islam or Hinduism. A world free of religion would be a much better place to live in.

      India is not a "WEST democracy". But I wonder what you mean by that. I shudder to think what would happen to America if we too had a 12.5% Muslim population. Would the religious fundamentalists in this country (perhaps such as you?) been able to tolerate a 12.5% Muslim minority?

      PS: Whoever told you that India has no industry to speak of in your earlier post? Junk car manufacturing? They just bought Land Rover and Jaguar. There is a huge pharmaceutical sector, a huge entertainment sector that is trying to overtake Hollywood, ship building and heavy machinery sectors, and so on. India has the largest constellation of satellites orbiting earth right now, and India is already planning a manned trip to the moon. You need to wake up. Cell centers are not the mainstay of India's economy as you think. It is only a miniscule portion of the latter.

  • Posted By: newdee @ 12/01/2008 10:54:11 PM


    Reading some of the comments here, I was reminded of Huttus vers. Tutsis of Rwanda. Should that situation happen in India, do we have enough troops to stop it? Obama should just tell their leaders that if you want to sit with the big boys around the table, then act accordingley. India is cursed with a double whamy: on one side there's the Islamist terror, on the other the Hindu fascist organizations who worship Hitler.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/02/2008 1:46:09 PM

      "Should that situation happen in India, do we have enough troops to stop it?"

      To hell with that. The military is busy.

    • Posted By: Layman @ 12/02/2008 1:37:53 AM

      newdee @ 12/01/2008 10:54:11 PM
      "Obama should just tell their leaders that if you want to sit with the big boys around the table, then act accordingley."

      The big boys? I can see the biggest boy, with a bleeding nose and a limp. Wait..his arm seems to be broken as well. Seems to be begging something from others. No thanks mate. You can have this table all to yourself. I can make one for myself.

    • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 1:35:29 AM

      why is INDIA being compared to hiltler's regime and PAKISTAN who is harboring these terrorists and doesn't even give its own muslim, christian population same rites like in INDIA being defended here.

      So even if a group is being oppressed...is it OK for them to blow up people like this...

      DOES THIS MEAN THAT 9/11 ATTACKS HAPPENED BECAUSE USA IS OPPRESSING ITS MINORITIES SUCH AS MUSLIMS, HINDUS, BHUDDHISTS, ETC ETC...AND DOES IT MAKE IT OKKKK?????

    • Posted By: Layman @ 12/02/2008 1:28:49 AM

      newdee @ 12/01/2008 10:54:11 PM
      "I was reminded of Huttus vers. Tutsis of Rwanda"

      You were, were you? I thought it was more in common with Protestants Vs Catholics in the UK. And for God's sake, why would you send the troops? You can hardly afford the wars you are in right now.

  • Posted By: mfenwick @ 12/02/2008 8:22:37 AM

    Why should we even give a damn what goes on in that country? Any people who wash they clothes in the same nasty water in which they take a poop and allow their animals to wallow don't deserve any serious consideration.

    • Posted By: Layman @ 12/02/2008 9:50:38 AM

      mfenwick @ 12/02/2008 8:22:37 AM
      God, it would be great if you can get your politicians to do that? The crowd that is asking for war in India, is getting bigger by the minute. But even THEY feel that Pakistan should not be turned into another Iraq. We will settle the matter ourselves. Just stay away. Please.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/02/2008 10:58:49 AM

        As far as I'm concerned, it's all yours. America was never supposed to be the world's cop.

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 1:39:38 AM

    why is INDIA being compared to hiltler's regime and PAKISTAN who is harboring these terrorists and doesn't even give its own muslim, christian population same rites like in INDIA being defended here.

    So even if a group is being oppressed...is it OK for them to blow up people like this...

    DOES THIS MEAN THAT 9/11 ATTACKS HAPPENED BECAUSE USA IS OPPRESSING ITS MINORITIES SUCH AS MUSLIMS, HINDUS, BHUDDHISTS, ETC ETC...AND DOES IT MAKE IT OKKKK?????

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 1:39:17 AM

    TO NEWDEE:


    why is INDIA being compared to hiltler's regime and PAKISTAN who is harboring these terrorists and doesn't even give its own muslim, christian population same rites like in INDIA being defended here.

    So even if a group is being oppressed...is it OK for them to blow up people like this...

    DOES THIS MEAN THAT 9/11 ATTACKS HAPPENED BECAUSE USA IS OPPRESSING ITS MINORITIES SUCH AS MUSLIMS, HINDUS, BHUDDHISTS, ETC ETC...AND DOES IT MAKE IT OKKKK?????

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/02/2008 1:37:59 AM

    TO NEWDEE:


    why is INDIA being compared to hiltler's regime and PAKISTAN who is harboring these terrorists and doesn't even give its own muslim, christian population same rites like in INDIA being defended here.

    So even if a group is being oppressed...is it OK for them to blow up people like this...

    DOES THIS MEAN THAT 9/11 ATTACKS HAPPENED BECAUSE USA IS OPPRESSING ITS MINORITIES SUCH AS MUSLIMS, HINDUS, BHUDDHISTS, ETC ETC...AND DOES IT MAKE IT OKKKK?????

  • Posted By: davidh181 @ 12/02/2008 1:22:35 AM

    It's hard to keep reading these analyses that have failed to mention the motives of Al Queda to take the heat off their home base on the border. They are caught in a classical military maneuver, the pincer. The US and its rockets on one side and the aggressive Pakistani army on the other. What would be a good counter? Create a diversion - another classic military maneuver. It was a very low cost, low risk strategy. Send ten commandos obviously from Pakistan to an unguarded Mumbai and force India to confront Pakistan. Then Pakistan has to redeploy its army to the other side of the country.
    Was it Napoleon who said the secret to success was to get the enemy to do what you wanted?
    Instead, India and Pakistan should the opposite by recognizing they are being manipulated by a common enemy

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/02/2008 1:19:01 AM

    "OBAMA "HAS HIS DREAM TEAM""(eddiewhere 2008).. I am surprise that no one has used this term. I am sure I will hear it tomorrow. OBAMA HAS SELECTED HIS DREAM TEAM. THIS TEAM HAS ALL STAR CREDENTIALS. EACH OF THEM ARE HALL OF FAMERS. HILLARY, GATES, RAHM.
    HOPEFULLY, THIS DREAM TEAM WILL KEEP THEIR EYES ON THE REAL THREAT RUSSIA AND CHINA. These two countries have already launched a very successful CYBER WAR against AMERICA. They are able to spy on our networks and steal our technological secrets and our patented software.
    RUSSIA, INDIA AND CHINA ARE THE SUPERPOWERS OF THAT SIDE OF THE WORLD. They are the key to a multinational strategy. Managing these realtionships is like walking a tight rope(eddiewhere 2008). China and India are always at odds and have a delicate relationship to say the least. I know ZaKaria wrote an article on this relationship six months ago. He needs to write another one.
    Another situation that needs to be monitored closely is ORGANIZED CRIME IN EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, ESPECIALLY when it comes to cyber crime and nuclear weapons. These Eastern European countries are a potential conduit for passing NUKES to terrorists.

    These Terrorists will be based in the Five MUSLIM breakaway REpublics in Central ASIA( Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistanan) . They can potentially form an alliance with China, who has a long history of strained relationships with INDIA. To the MUslims India is an enemy and a traitor. Remeber how Hitler rose to power, a depressed economy in EUROPE. THESE REPUBLICS in Central Asia have all the same elements.. Russia and CHina will form an alliance based on their mutual FRICTION with INDIA(WHO IS CHALLENGING TO BE THEY PREMIER SUPERPOWER IN ASIA).

    LOOSE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE FORMER SOVIET REPUBLICS IS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS IN EASTERN EUROPE CAN GAIN ACCESS to them and sell them to terrorists.
    THE ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE 5 MUSLIM STATES IN CENTRAL , AND CHINA IS A Big Threat.

    "OBAMA IS NOW THE WORLD"S FIRST PRESIDENT" eddiwhere 2008.. CAN HE SUCCESSFULLY MANAGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA INORDER TO PREVENT THESE FIVE MUSLIM REPUBLICS FROM SLIPPING DEEPER AND DEEPER INTO ECONOMIC DEPRESSION. ONCE AGAIN REMEMBER HOW HITLER ROSE TO POWER A DEPRESSED ECONOMY IN GERMANY WHO WAS TORCHERED ECONOMICALLY AFTER WORLD WAR ONE BY THE ALLIES RUSSIA, FRANCE AND BRITAIN. RUSSIA IS DOING THE SAME TO ITS FORMER REPUBLICS UKRAINE ect.....

    OBAMA IS LIKE THE COACH OF THE DREAM TEAM(BASKETBALL) TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS A PLAN TO MAKE JORDON, BIRD AND MAGIC WORK TOGETHER AS ONE FORCE TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. OR LEBRON, KOBY AND PAUL PIERCE. I AM SURE HE CAN AND WILL DO JUST FINE AND AMERICA WILL SOON BE THE ENVY OF THE WORLD AGAIN.

    OBAMA HAS HIS DREAM TEAM AND ALL THE TOOLS FOR A MUCH NEEDED GLOBAL STRATEGY.

    P.S. REMEMBER BARAK YOUR BLACKBERRY HAS ALREADY BEEN HACKED.

  • Posted By: Layman @ 12/01/2008 8:46:56 PM

    ike@456 @ 12/01/2008 7:56:17 PM
    "It is chilling the sort of rancor some people can harbor.."
    Maybe they have lost a spouse or a child in some terrorist attack. Maybe if we were in their shoes, we would feel that way too..

  • Posted By: ike@456 @ 12/01/2008 7:56:17 PM

    bopperq :
    ' I recommend we bottle up all muslims in one spot. We cannot afford to have even one in our collective midst. They each retain that kernel subject to religious manipulation that potentially turns them into terrorists. If they persist in tererorism, carry the jihad to Mecca and Medina and destroy them once and for all.'

    Great. Why don't we put them in one place? And while we are at it just kill those Muslims, the scum of Earth, right?

    I don't think I need to tell you but your Islamophobia is eerily similar to the anti-semitism of the brutal Nazis. And we all know the gruesome genocide of innocent Jews that culminated in.

    It is chilling the sort of rancor some people can harbor

  • Posted By: n_patel @ 11/29/2008 10:31:59 PM

    Layman the analysis you have given does not exist anymore...why don't you read the indian constitution which has abolished the caste system in INDIA since we got our INDEPENDENCE in 1957. We have affirmative action in INDIA as well and hindus are now at a disadvantage due to this.

    Indian government have empty seats for muslims and other minorities in colleges and give them scholarship. Other minorities are taking advantage of this and moving forward except for muslims who don't send their women and children to school and stay at their mosque and pray all day and then wonder why they dont have enough money.

    MY family was not very rich but my grandparents, uncles and parents worked hard and now reaping the benefits...they didn't go to their temples and blew up people. Their is problem of radical islam idelogy which is not being addressed here by fareed and you . And indian government is being accused when they are victims here. We gave muslims a free, democartic nation in INDIA ( FAR MORE compared to other muslim nations in middle east, bangladesh and PAKISTAN) and you are right LAYMAN we are reaping the benefits of being so righteoussssss.

    • Posted By: jakeram @ 11/30/2008 2:43:05 AM

      1947 dude. Not 1957.

      • Posted By: n_patel @ 12/01/2008 7:37:25 PM

        SORRY YAARR...TYPOOOOOOOOOO

  • Posted By: rs631 @ 12/01/2008 12:15:32 PM

    Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim and his column seems to blame India indirectly for Muslim's backwardness. . Muslim backwardness in India is due to their education at Madrassas where only Quran and extremism is preached. India had two Muslim presidents, have many Muslim judges, state governors, legislatures, civil sewrvants. Muslim backward must be blamed on the twisted Oslamic ideology. Muslims have been favored in India over Hindus. They have special marriage laws unfortunately, which is unfair to Muslim women. Muslims have driven half a million Kashmiri Pandits and destroyed hundreds of Hindu temples in Indian Kashmir, but corrupt Nehru dynasty in India has done nothing. Muslim population in India has grown from 7% at the time of partition to 17% today, where Hindu population in Pakistan and Bangladesh have been decimated. Where is the justice? What is Zakaria harping about? She is another biased reporter. Let the world rise and stop brutal Islamic Jihad from imposing a medieval brutal desert ideology on the world. R. Singh

    • Posted By: Bay Area Gal @ 12/01/2008 3:15:01 PM

      You are spot on but your voice will never be heard. The media in both india and US is donimated by folks who will always looks for reasons to excuse the murderers and blame the victims

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/01/2008 5:03:40 PM

        Why would they do that?

  • Posted By: Lil Lady @ 12/01/2008 2:30:04 PM

    I just want to respond to the question as to why American support Isreal.To my knowledge Isreal has never been supplied with our weapons, only to turn around and use them on us. Isreal has never sat down at a summit meeting, declared peace, only to go back on their promise after a few hours. Isreal doesn't promise free thinking, while an Extremist holds power in their gov. I'm thinking that's probably why we are so Pro Isreal. We are fortunate to have such an ally.
    As for the article, I admit to not being fully educated on the social complexities in India. However I do know that if you're looking for change, then be the change. I'm sick of these groups blaming governments for their problems. Plenty of people grow up poor and cheated. You don't see them blowing their fellow citizens up. I'm tiered of being blamed for people who preach hate to their children, and then somehow demand that the governments of this world sit down with them and "talk" Boo Hoo. Why should I make any sort of bargain with you? People in extreme relgious groups(any religion) don't want peace. They want the death of every free thinking individual on the planet. But somehow we always fall into this rut of blaming the government. India, America, Pakastan, Spain. Goverments are faulty. No doubt there. But that is no excuse for these groups who kill. Here is a thought. You wanna get heard? Put the machine gun down first.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/01/2008 2:33:50 PM

      While I hold no ill will towards Israel, why are we "fortunate" to have such an ally? Can you name one thing they have done for us, in exchange for 50 years of unwavering support?

      • Posted By: Jack999 @ 12/01/2008 4:21:55 PM

        Twin Tower World Trade Centre

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