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  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/16/2008 4:44:55 AM

    To treat a Blackman as a friend while they were constantly harasssing us as Chinese. NO WAY!

  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/15/2008 10:31:07 PM

    Great Wall vs Wall Street -- To Prevent American Depression From Reaching China?

    The Great Wall Against Wall Street -- How To Prevent The American Depression From Reaching China? PART 2.

    By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet Of Environment.


    (5) The Chinese government should devote most of its money and resources in educating their people. The world???s most intelligent scientists and teachers in the world must be seek out, head hunter style, to become professors and teachers in universities and local schools.

    (6) China should now demand foreign countries to return all archaeological, antiques and other valuable items which were stolen or acquired illegal/unfairly from China especially those before the Liberation. Cash and gold/silver that were paid by Chinese during the nineteenth and early illegal and unequal treaties during twentieth century must be repaid back to China with interest.
    Any refusal should result in arm confrontation.

    (7) Environmental protection and resource conservation. Since there are little or no wilderness or natural resources left in China and the world. China should again slow down its industries and construction of manufacturing facilities. Wildlife and plants must be strictly protect. Many scenic or wildlife area should be protect and turned into Chinese National Parks for our next generations and children to enjoy.

    If all my recommendations and theories are put into practice, China and people will enjoy safety and prosperities in the 21 Century.


  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/15/2008 10:28:28 PM

    The Great Wall Against Wall Street -- How To Prevent The American Depression From Reaching China?

    By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet Of Environment.

    How the Great Wall of China can be used to defend against the failing Wall Street and American ideology?

    (1) The Chinese government should nationalized or expel foreign companies such as Walmart. The business and employment practice of those companies must be frown upon by the Chinese government and people. The products and services of some of those companies must be boycotted by Chinese.

    (2) All non-Chinese foreigners must be restricted or expelled from China because they are false indoctrinating the Chinese people. The main purpose of those foreigners were to mislead Chinese to prevent them from success and getting wealthy. Many foreigner are trying to create Chinese minorities uprising such as Tibetans to destabilized the government and take advantage of their crisis. Others are simply spies from other nations. Yet many simply trying to take away the already limited jobs from hardworking Chinese. Regardless of what their actual purpose, most are in China for false intentions.

    (3) The Chinese government must now redeem their enormous holding of U. S. Treasury Bonds and Bills because the American dollars are falling very quickly against the yuan due to inflation and economic downturn in the United States. The alternate investment for the government should be valuable and collectable items such as gold/silver coins, precious metal ingots, old currencies, antiques, historical objects and documents, books, postage stamps, designer jewelry, and furniture. Most importantly hire highly intelligent people with special talent and abilities. To facilitate the collection and authentication of such collectable items the government should recruit large numbers of connoisseur and auction experts from shops worldwide and in on-line auction and sale groups. After cataloging and arranging those collectable items the government can then auction and sell them to the Chinese people to generate cash for more purchases.

    (4) The Chinese economy should begin to slow down gradually without causing drastic downturns. Their exports should be concentrated on newly developed Asian, Australian, European and South American countries. Especially those petroleum, metal and other natural resources producing nations such as Russia. Chinese should avoid doing business or depending economically on the United States.

  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/15/2008 9:01:39 PM

    By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet Of Environmrnt.

    The excellent quality of Chinese are that we Chinese expect very little comfort and can survive on very little resources. This the reason why our Chinese culture is so succesful. We spend most of time accomplish our goal of survival as a race rather than spent time complaining. Our leaders always care very much about our people. Chinese has very little natural resource to satisfy the World largest population and can survive so well until now and will survive far beyond any other race. This is an accomlishment unmatched by an nation in history.

    I hereby , as the World Greatest Prophet, the Prophet of Environment, I confirm China as the World most deserving and indisputable leader until eternity. As my messages are the message of God/Environment no one can challenge Me. Any one even dare to even think about challenging Me will be destroyed immediately by the Environment.

  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/15/2008 9:00:04 PM

    By Jordan C. Fan, Prophet Of Environment.

    When our world is stretching too thin on natural resources, it will fast becoming hopeless on recovery from the current economic crisis. If history is our judge, economic crisis often turn into military confrontation worldwide as different nations are complete for our already limited land and resources. World War I and II are such examples. Economic recovery will almost certainly need business development and expansive which in turn require large consumption of resource and destruction of wilderness. Today we are also running out of leader who are willing to guide ourselves out of those troubles. What's left are individuals who are competig for their country's leadership for selfish reason such as Obama who is campaigning for his racial superiority.

    This economic down turn is basically the result of instability cause by the American election which Obama should take most of the blame. The Environment will certainly destroy his supporters and states.

    China and Chinese leaders are among the very few who are genuinely concern about the well being of their country and person. Therefore Chinese are more deserving leaders.

    The basic attitude of citizens worldwide should be that of conservation and satisfaction rather than demand for drastic and unnecessary changes to satisfy personal demands. Cautons must be made not to put our hope and standard too high which will put unnecessar pressure on our government. Otherwise, more disasters will come.

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/15/2008 6:08:56 PM

    I guess Genius is a Russian ToBanw(comrade)

  • Posted By: The genius @ 12/14/2008 4:21:43 AM

    It was interesting to read the Chinese comments. There is a thinking, philosophy and understanding. Russian understand it. But, that to sense it to state to Americans. In mind of Americans the Universe with billions stars rotates around of the USA and gods eat hamburgers, washing down with "coca-cola". Causeless smiles and laughter of Americans guard. Unless it is normal - to stretch lips in a smile before everyone? Studying of psychiatry, will reveal this secret?
    More shortly, at America aspiration one. That China, India, Russia and others rotated around of the USA, asking its favour. But it should seems for it to be great merits. Also there was no one streamlet of blood!

    • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/15/2008 2:33:56 AM

      As one who has named himself genius, you seem most like a horse on which someone has put blinders to keep it under control and on a straight and narrow path. In all of your many posts you have made not a single relevant response to the questions involved in this conversation.

      The realm of thought seems to be foreign territory to you - or are you just making a special effort to be dense? I really want to insult you but words seem to just roll off of you, as rain off the back of a duck - you have not demonstrated any capacity to understand. Possibly, you would still be ignorant even if you knew ten times as much as you know now.

      Brain power is not everything - but in your case it is nothing. If the old saying is true (that what you don???t know can???t hurt you), you are absolutely invulnerable! Is it possible that, somewhere in China, a village is missing its idiot?

      But, what is my opinion worth compared with the opinion of billions of people who know what freedom means? Your inability to understand even the essentials of the Idea of Liberty is likely based on your ignorance of the meanings of most of the word-concepts that give meaning to Democracy.

      If this is true, we must forgive you and just try again. Nobody can tell for sure exactly what is causing your lack of receptivity but whatever it is - it works! What could be the reason? Let us make an educated guess: TYRANICAL GOVERNMENTS CAUSE STUPIDITY.

      The insidious thing about militant, fascist-model political ideologies is how their fearful brain-washings stupefy their citizen-victims. Stupidity describes the being-ness and doing-ness of a Human being when the consciousness of the miraculous brain has been put into a stupor. When governments do it, it can be permanent, e.g., the East Germans reared under nazism and then communism are still mental basket cases, included into Germany but not integrated ??? most all of them still on the dole.

      Stupor is a word for a paralyzed brain, like the effect of a blow on the head or of too much booze. So it is that PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC FASCIST INDOCTRINATIONS are like continuous brain concussions or repeated bouts of alcoholism, resulting in stupor. Yes, I said it! Marxism-Stalinism is pseudo-science! - - - and all coercive political ideologies are evil. Believe it or Not!

      • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/15/2008 2:35:04 AM

        CONTINUED: Are you completely unable to touch the CRITICAL ISSUE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH in integrating China into the world system? Do you find no agreement with anyone but coercive old-school communists? - - - can you imagine doing anything but just agreeing with your fellow doctrinaires?

        But you have learned to read and write English, a great personal accomplishment! Will you be able to expand your mind just a little bit more? Do you think you will be able to just SHUT UP your compulsive fault-finding about everywhere else in the World? - - - or will you be able to WAKE UP to the condition of Humans in the World and to generate the Will to clearly explain your own, personal points of view about some solutions?

        Now, the days shorten in our common hemisphere as our Sun approaches that critical point where the vital Solar Rays will begin their return again to nourish us with Light. Now, with these unanswered questions, the yankee doodler leaves this forum with seasonal wishes of peace, joy and well being for all the Human beings of our lonesome Blue Planet.

        - - - but if anyone catches the communist genius smiling like a fool, someone call a psychiatrist immediately!

        xxx

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/12/2008 8:41:50 PM

    Sorry, Correction: " You can NOT say anything unfavorable about African American In the US"

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/12/2008 8:40:14 PM

    Sorry, correction. "You can NOT say anything unfavorable about African American"

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/12/2008 8:34:19 PM

    To Ajka: This is my last glance at the comments of this article, I didn't intend to say anything, and after I read you comments, I know you are NOT the kind of person that I can debate with, man to man. Yankee is a man I can, and like to talk to.
    You are japs or Jerry? I can tell you that I have left US volunteerily four years ago. To tell you the truth, I felt very disappointed about US, but there are also many nice American people that I have met when I was there.

    About the prison in US, you got the right person, I have met a FuJian Chinese who had been detained in US prison when entering the Customs, he told me the federal prison is OK, providing enough food, including chicken, fruits. But then he was transfered to State prison in South of the US, the nightmare began, no enough food, man. Why? later when I read an article, I found out many State, county prisons are outsourced to private companies, the more the companies have saved, the more profits will be into their pockets, this reminds of the scandal happened just last month about vice president Cheny in the prison system, you may seach it on line to see how horrible it is.

    To tell you the truth, I myself have not perceived the difference in the degree of freedom between China and US, I am not a young man already, I have life experience. Mmaybe on one or two issue, there are some taboo, it is illegal to criticize royal family in UK, you can say anything unfavorable about African American in US, while you can disparage white American(political correctness), and you can even curse Chinese and receive applause. In Arabic countries, you can not drink beer,wine, and a man can marry four wives, in Japan, it is fashionable for teenage girls to sleep with 40- 50 years old gentlemen to get some pocket money, if the gentleman is White people, the service sometimes can be free.( I saw the advertisement on line, a Tokyo girl ), and in Germany, Turkish people are not very happy about their treatment. So there many taboo or unsatisfactory things in different countris, China is not the exception.

    About the lifestyle of average Chinese, I can see that you have never been to China. With regard to some poor people, please refer to Harlem, DC, New Orlean.

  • Posted By: bigkahuna87 @ 12/06/2008 11:23:08 PM

    "A huge nation-state ruled by the tyranny of a few of the minority, named Han"

    The Han constitute the majority of the population in China with 90%. I have been to China on numerous occassions and have attained fluency in the language and have been able to talk to natives in all corners of the country. Life in contemporary China id depoliticized and country. and solid government policies have lifted the most amount of people into affluence than anytime in history.

    • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/07/2008 2:27:44 AM

      Exactly! When a monopolistic ruling entity manages to DEPOLITICIZE social life through FEAR, the Human beings in that society are DENIED INDIVIDUAL POLITICAL VOICE OR CHOICE. Right? How then do we distinguish between the current Chinese corporate communism and any other form of fascism?

      Politics is natural in human life and NATURAL HUMAN LIFE IS NATURALLY POLITICAL. For a monopolistic, ideological minority to stiffle politics for all is to stiffle human nature in preference for programmable zombie-robots who can be governed and made to work by FEAR.

      Affluent materialism is just no substitute for policical liberty and free enterprise. When will you deluded defenders of Chinese despotism be able to see that a tyranny is a tyranny is a tyranny? Can any of you even ASPIRE to a future without despotism and find the Words to SPEAK it without first finding a religious or materialist cause to justify human liberty? YES, WE CAN!

      Remember now when the Berlin wall fell in 1989 and so many of those liberated did AFFIRM that personal liberty in life is all that really matters. May it happen in China! May it happen in thee!

      THE TIME FOR FASCISM IN THE THIS WORLD IS ENDED!
      - but its apologists and justifiers linger on and bloviate endlessly from fogs of religionist and-or materialist ignorance.

      One eternal truth remains:
      NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO JUST WILL NOT SEE!

      xxx

      • Posted By: pug_ster @ 12/07/2008 12:49:08 PM

        Yes there are countries in the world like India which have democracy yet people's quality of life is compared to a 3rd world country because the government does not have the policy in place to do that. Because of China's so called despots, they have improve its country by leaps and bounds and the quality of life for its citizens have greatly improved. Many Chinese people know of whether to have this so called 'democracy' or improving the way of life, the choice is obvious.

        • Posted By: ajka @ 12/12/2008 12:43:08 PM

          Will you want to be fed good in prison or rather be under-fed but have freedom?

          I think your choice will be obvious! You are sitting in US and commenting on improvement in the lifestyles of average Chines, just read the recent articles where peiople were put into mental ayslums as they complained of the atrocities.

        • Posted By: ajka @ 12/12/2008 12:42:30 PM

          Will you want to be fed good in prison or rather be under-fed but have freedom?

          I think your choice will be obvious! You are sitting in US and commenting on improvement in the lifestyles of average Chines, just read the recent articles where peiople were put into mental ayslums as they complained of the atrocities.

        • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/07/2008 5:17:31 PM

          Despotism is the obvious choice? Are you so blind you just can???t see, pug, trapped by a stifling, idiot ideology like by an ugly plug in an evil jinni jug? The master-jinnis you have accepted can put you on your knees and fire a bullet in the back of your head with only the vaguest pretense of a fair trial, just because they can. Wake up!

  • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/12/2008 12:29:56 AM

    GENIUSES OF THE WORLD UNITE!
    ??? making a bit of sense.

    The Word genius (Latin), rooted in the Indo-European Word gen-, means 1) the Being-ness of genuineness (authenticity) and generosity; 2) the Doing-ness of engendering or generating, as a general, and; 3) the Having-ness of the ingenuity and the geniality of a genius.

    Genius is a force believed to dwell freely within almost all individual Human beings. It is said to be a power that begets, that is to say, brings forth from nothingness, a high and creative Intellect. This intellectual guardian spirit is said to be naturally inborn but its divine glory grows only with nourishment through Life, just as do our bodies. It is said that genius most loves the abstract soul-nourishments found in lands of Liberty. Believe it or Not!

    The best way to observe is by looking.
    ??? so saith the Yogi, famous New York Yankee.

    Many believe genius is especially nourished by
    forgiveness and benevolence, among other abstract substances, such as loveliness and happiness.
    Yet, abstractions must be created, that is to say, brought forth, by individuals from nothingness - to have any substance at all!
    ???so saith the yankee doodler, obscure New York scribbler.

    BROTHER AND SISTERS, FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS!
    Please seek to find within thine own Beings the generosity (genie-osity) to forgive any excesses you perceive of a U.S. nation born when almost all Humans of Earth, more than 90 percent, still lived powerlessly under the total and capricious
    rule of various lords of power and their perfidious creeds and ideologies. They ruled by hook or by crook, by all means keeping the masses in ignorance of their natural genius.
    Still they rule in too, too many of the world nation-states - and still they strive relentlessly to dominate in the U.S. and throughout the World.

    So, it is said that the struggle for Liberty is as eternal
    as the struggle for Life., both so requiring offerings of blood,
    from time to time; too bad, so sad, until NOW.

    Yet, the one and only creed of the yankee doodler is this:
    ??? that all men are created equal; that they are endowed with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Believe it or Not!

    May peace and justice, joy and geniuses, reign over a fertile Earth from this day forward to forevermore! Amen!

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/11/2008 11:38:19 PM

    One last thing to my Yankee friend, I am not the Marxist, or communist right now, and after several years in the US, I do not believe in democracy any more, maybe I will jion the Chinese Communist party in the future if I am invited, for I have finally realzed that only Chinese party can really serve the interest of Chinese people, no matter what name it has.

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/11/2008 11:26:03 PM

    ha, ha, it is the great honor for me to have received such a long comment from my Yankee friend, don't worry, we have a saying in China, the truth will be clearer with the debating of the fact. We Chinese know that China is not perfect, just as no country in this world is perfect. I have studied and worked in the US for many years, I know the human right situation in the States, to be blunt with my Yankee friend, can not be complimented! Those modern Mexcian slaves in the US have any human rights? Those POW in Guantanamo have any rights? In which treaty did it prescribe that a human being can be detained endlessly without any trial ? they are not POW, you may name them ET if you like, but the truth is more than ten thousand words! Oh, how about the waterboarding, it is not torture? Maybe only beheading is the torture from now on. Laws should be amended world wide. And talking about prison, let me kindly remind you that US has the biggest detained population in the world, over two million, you may search it on line.

    Democracy? Even many Ameraican scholars and historians have repeately sighed that George Bush is one of the worst presidents in US histroy, but why did he re-elected, is democracy so effective in choosing the leader of a nation, or too many people like you have been bainwashed by CNN, VOA and so on? I do mean that I can persuade you, but you should know that the roads to the success and prosperity is NOT only branded USA. I also noticed that no body have mentioned American dream these days, why?

    Even if US is on the fast, unreversable decline, I am not the snobbish person, and I still suggest that there are many things China may learn from the US, but that does not mean that the learning is without selection. For example, gun, drug, American style democracy, American style human rights, Wall street style, fraud oriented financial market, and invasion of small, oil-rich country should be crossed off from the list.

  • Posted By: 123BruceLee @ 12/11/2008 11:25:59 PM

    ha, ha, it is the great honor for me to have received such a long comment from my Yankee friend, don't worry, we have a saying in China, the truth will be clearer with the debating of the fact. We Chinese know that China is not perfect, just as no country in this world is perfect. I have studied and worked in the US for many years, I know the human right situation in the States, to be blunt with my Yankee friend, can not be complimented! Those modern Mexcian slaves in the US have any human rights? Those POW in Guantanamo have any rights? In which treaty did it prescribe that a human being can be detained endlessly without any trial ? they are not POW, you may name them ET if you like, but the truth is more than ten thousand words! Oh, how about the waterboarding, it is not torture? Maybe only beheading is the torture from now on. Laws should be amended world wide. And talking about prison, let me kindly remind you that US has the biggest detained population in the world, over two million, you may search it on line.

    Democracy? Even many Ameraican scholars and historians have repeately sighed that George Bush is one of the worst presidents in US histroy, but why did he re-elected, is democracy so effective in choosing the leader of a nation, or too many people like you have been bainwashed by CNN, VOA and so on? I do mean that I can persuade you, but you should know that the roads to the success and prosperity is NOT only branded USA. I also noticed that no body have mentioned American dream these days, why?

    Even if US is on the fast, unreversable decline, I am not the snobbish person, and I still suggest that there are many things China may learn from the US, but that does not mean that the learning is without selection. For example, gun, drug, American style democracy, American style human rights, Wall street style, fraud oriented financial market, and invasion of small, oil-rich country should be crossed off from the list.

  • Posted By: The genius @ 12/11/2008 6:40:16 PM

    Immediate democracy in Ukraine and Czechia is required, and before execution of democracy in these countries there is a dictatorship and slavery to the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: The genius @ 12/11/2008 6:30:31 PM

    The American citizens want a conclusion of the American armies from Iraq and other countries, but where great human rights, where a conclusion of armies????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    The majority of citizens of Ukraine against NATO, the majority of citizens of Czechia against Military radars.
    Where democracy????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Great deceit of the world about democracy and human rights. Main this submission of all world, the main thing is dictatorship of the USA. It is possible to name somehow it, but the essence is constant, that names American policies democracy, but really it is dictatorship and compulsion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: The genius @ 12/11/2008 6:19:41 PM

    Beautifully speaks, yankee doodler!!
    But Russia passed these speeches. Speaks about freedom, and America dreams of weakening and making slaves. America is artful and cynical. Instead of freedom China will receive slavery from the American political idea from several clever secret billionaires of the USA. Is not present in the world of an embodiment of the maximum principle of a universe.

  • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/11/2008 12:34:47 AM

    TODAY, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 2008, IS
    INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS DAY
    the 58th annual observation marking the 60th anniversary of the proclamation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) by the United Nations.

    In a current propaganda campaign,
    The Chinese State Council Information Office claims:
    - historic progress - in the field of human rights -.
    BUT CHINESE HEROES OF LIBERTY ARE
    UNDER THE GUN TODAY,

    Near midnight on Monday in Beijing, China, police raided the homes of prominent human rights activists Liu Xiaobo and Zhang Zuhua, seizing their computers, literature and other possessions, and taking them away under arrest. Zhang Zuhua was released after a long interrogation.

    Their offense is that they participated in freedom of Human speech, i.e., the Tuesday publication on the Internet of an open letter and petition, named Charter 08, directed to the Chinese communist government and signed by some 300 intellectuals and educators.

    Their letter outlined the shortcomings of communist-party
    Authoritarianism and petitioned for the implementation of REAL REFORM in the political system of China, including an end to one-party rule. This political action of, by and for Chinese citizens contradicted the propaganda of the communist party campaign currently underway to celebrate - 30 years of reform, progress and opening up - under the dictatorship of the one-party, state apparatus.

    The open letter bravely asserts: (quote) We stand today as the only country among the major nations that remains mired in authoritarian politics. Our political system continues to produce human rights disasters and social crises, thereby constricting China's own development but also LIMITING THE PROGRESS OF ALL OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION (emphasis added). This must change, truly it must. The democratization of Chinese politics can be put off no longer (end quote).

    In June of this coming year the world will observe the 20th anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre of students by the Red Army. Professor Xiaobo served years in prison and labor camps in the decade following the bloody quashing of civil rights at Tiananmen Square. Also, he was detained for days in early July, 2008, during a crackdown on political dissidents prior to the Beijing Olympics.

    Early today, as the world began to observe International Human Rights Day, police broke up a gathering of Chinese observers peacefully assembled outside of the Foreign Ministry. Professor Xiaobo was believed to remain under arrest.

    According to the Professor, the way things are in China today, the pioneers for progress in human rights are often going to have to lose their own human rights first.

    ??? extracted from information from the Washington Post Foreign Service; researcher Zhang Jie contributing. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/10/AR2008121002854.html?nav=rss_email%2Fcomponents

  • Posted By: teolok @ 12/04/2008 2:51:23 PM

    Dont wory USA , Turkish islamist party , AKP , Turkish Army and Fettullah Gülen knows very well your structure of the tents and all supports.

    • Posted By: yankee doodler @ 12/10/2008 2:08:49 AM

      I want to ask how old you are but I???m guessing you can not count that high. You should not let your mind wander around like this since it is obviously too little to be let out on its own.

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