A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: jmhsmiles @ 12/07/2008 12:38:39 PM

    RealNEMom - Thank you, you put into words what I could not. My brother is gay and my family and I love and support him. We would much rather him live a happy life as who he is than try to conform to something he is not. I am saddened by all the hatred people harbor because someone or some people have beliefs that differ from their own. And to me it is most appalling that the most hateful of all are those who say they Christians / Religous people - Turn the other cheek and remember that God is the only one entitled to judge others.

  • Posted By: GBwisFan @ 12/07/2008 12:19:32 PM

    I gotta go now guys football is on. Queers probably don't even know what football is. It would interfere with your knitting and crocheting!!LOL

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 12:32:09 PM

      The players that you watch.... some of them are gay! Did you know that? So enjoy watching them!

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 12:25:47 PM

      GBwisFan I would not know one end of a knitting needle from the other. What is crochet btw? As for football, there are gay football teams all over the world, and openly gay footballers everywhere, as there have been Olympic champions and gold medal winners who are openly gay, (loads more in the closet of course) - open your eyes. Gay men have some of the fittest and best looking physiques you will find anywhere. Pick up a gay magazine at your local bookseller and you will see what I mean.

  • Posted By: Sepulchre @ 12/07/2008 12:29:50 PM

    This is a two part post. It is posted so reading down you can read it in its entirety. Both entrees from me are one post.
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    Here is 411 on state constitutions and the federal constitution and courts, oh and the democratic system.
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    First and this is important we are not a Democracy. We have representations government and the Electoral College that makes us a Republic, a Democratic Republic, but a Republic none the less.
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    A state has the right to put anything it wants in the state constitution as long as it does not conflict or violate the federal constitution. This is also important. Courts have the right to determine that an amendment to the state constitution is in violation of the federal constitution and have it thrown out. That is done by the State Supreme court. The Federal Supreme court can also rule that a states amendment is in conflict or violation with the federal constitution and have it removed.
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    I am pretty sure they cover this in high school.
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    Why can???t everyone get the concept that denying any group of people equal access to rights is discrimination, and are against the concepts outlined in the US Constitution, and that educated enlightened people know that unless everyone is equal, no one is. We all saw how the lack of social justice inherent in separate but equal laws, or so I thought.

  • Posted By: Sepulchre @ 12/07/2008 12:29:20 PM

    Addressing states that passed the gay marriage ban. People here seem to favor majority rule, let???s take a look at it. Being a majority does not make you right. The majority in the Bible at the time crucified Christ. During WWII the majority of Germans supported Hitler. Being in a majority doesn???t make you right; it just means there are more of you. If majority rule had, had its way women would not be able to own land or property, and there would still be segregation. Court intervention circumvented popular vote because it was deemed a violation of our Constitution and its guarantee of fundamental rights.
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    The religious argument is interesting too. Some say you must believe the literal 'Word' of the bible, and those people often quote Leviticus to support their hatred (yes it's hatred) of homosexuality. The funny thing is those people who say you should take the literal 'Word' don't seem to follow the other things listed in Leviticus, which if you don't then you are not following the 'Word' your are picking and choosing like you accuse those who don't think the Bible should be used to alienate the homosexual population. Proof of this is at least one passage I never see followed. In Leviticus it says that any child who defies their parents must be put to death. Picking and choosing is not following the 'Word'.
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    Then there is the fact that the Bible itself states quite plainly that all sins are equal in the eyes of God. Makes me wonder when it was that the faithful figured they had the right to elevate sins since God said they were equal.
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  • Posted By: tornadotaz64 @ 12/07/2008 12:28:57 PM

    WOW!!! Ok i believe in GOD and i was raised in a Catholic family.
    I am a Lesbian and have been since i was a teenager.
    I have 3 grown childeren and 4 grandsons.
    Now i wanna know with everything else that is going on in this world. ( WHY ) is everyone so worried about Gay people? Our economy is failing us the war continues over seas and AIDS is getting bigger by the moment.
    The city in live made my partner and get seperat households just because i am not on the deed to the house so they considered her to be a landlord instaed of my partner...How fair is that to us...
    I have many Straight friends and many gay friends... Everyone i meet doesnot know that i am GAY until i decide to tell them... Yes i have met many Lesbians and gay men that will try to push the issue unto someone that is straight and i myself donot care for it... So i avoid them.. Just like anyone that is straight they tell me and many of my Lesbian friends ( Oh you just haven't had the right GUY) BS...
    It's not about having the right GUY... It's about love compassion understanding...
    No i don't think it should be called Marriage... Civil Union yes...
    And no i didnot have my childeren in order to collect child support... I have never collected 1 cent of support...
    I support my childeren on my own by working and paying taxes just like any other single parent :)
    And my childeren turned out to be great adults and they had no problems growing up in a Lesbian household

  • Posted By: Martinize @ 12/07/2008 11:47:26 AM

    Every one of my lesbian friends admit that any gay person they've ever met had some traumatic incident in their youth that turned them against the opposite sex ... incest, rape, early exposure to some perversion, etc. Whether catastrophically triggered or not, something so blatantly mismatched biologically cannot be considered 'normal' and entitled to the same word ("Marriage") that describes the accepted standard of male and female in society. Civil unions, absolutely! Be happy with that., flaunt your gayness if you must, but come up with your own new word describe your legally-bound relationship.. One would think that gays would be offended to be branded with the title of "Marriage" since it has always meant a man and woman, and that is not what you choose your union to be..

    • Posted By: Lovernotahater @ 12/07/2008 12:27:36 PM

      Oh sweeetheart. I was abused and STRAIGHT. Try again.

  • Posted By: europeandoll @ 12/07/2008 12:05:29 PM

    To: faithulinCali
    I am a mother of a young gay man in California, in no way I have encouraged or supported my son's choice to be a gay. Just like you, I presumeI believe in God, as a matter of fact, I read the whole Bible before I was 18 years old, I went to church on Sunday twice a day. I do not drink, smoke, taken drugs. I know sounds pretty boring for some of you, however I do not feel I have missed out on anything. It was God's destiny my son is gay, and we are to accept it. Just like Jesus, did not want to die on the cross, but he said; "Father thy will take place". You should not speak for all the people because, you are merely a grain of sand on this Earth, as you said: " You will not ever make ALL the people accept or celebrate your choice". At times, we have more questions in life than answers, but the Bible says, at one point we will have all the answers. My advice, do not waste your energy but concentrate on yourself, have trust in God, because he make no mistakes!!!

    • Posted By: HeRose2102 @ 12/07/2008 12:27:30 PM

      When reading the Bible it also is made clear that being a good person, going to church 5 times a week, not cussing, drinking or smoking, does not make a person "right" with God. Doing these things does not allow a person to stand before God or walk into Heavent to be with Him forever. Whether we feel like we are heterosexual or homosexual is not really the issue. The issue is whether we are "right" with God. What matters is if we are living the life that God created us to live. Jesus made it clear there is only one way to be made right with God, there is only to have our sins be removed and forgiven forever. In John chp. 3 Jesus said "a man must be born again to enter into the Kingdom of God". The Bible also points out that when a man is "born again", "he becomes a new creation in Christ. The old has gone, the new has come" 2 Cor 5:17. So what's most important, is not whether we can live our personal lives the way our flesh cries out, it's whether our soul, which exists forever, is right with God.

  • Posted By: DS42 @ 12/07/2008 11:07:00 AM

    Gays are nothing more than people who really, really, really want a best friend. In the old days kids would stick their fingers with a prick and say we are now blood brothers or blood sisters.
    The gays of today have simply taken this concept to a whole new level of communicable disregard for hygiene and decency.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:08:57 AM

      HA HA HA..

      • Posted By: DS42 @ 12/07/2008 11:18:05 AM

        Thuth though Humor. Thats my moto..

        • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 12:27:26 PM

          My motto is if you want to communicate effectively, then you must spell correctly.

  • Posted By: Anika @ 12/05/2008 7:52:34 PM

    No one asked me...... i don't know anyone who would support same sex marriage. The "anything goes" mentality will be the downfall of this country.

    • Posted By: progressive721 @ 12/05/2008 8:19:29 PM

      Anything goes Anika? Do you mean things like respect for other people and equal rights? Or would you rather throw away the protections in the constitution that protect citizens who are harming no one by their love for each other?

      • Posted By: djcateyez @ 12/05/2008 11:35:30 PM

        You already have equal rights. Everyone has the right to marry. You CHOOSE to marry someone of the same sex. You want us to put you in a protected class and give you special benefits. Get over yourself. Despite what this bogus poll says. You are not fooling anyone. The majority has spoken over & over again. WE SAID NO! Stop trying to shove it down our throats.

        • Posted By: MBUSDTeacher @ 12/06/2008 2:14:30 AM

          Everyone has a right to marry someone of the same race. Of course, you CHOOSE to marry someone of a different race. The majority has spoken (80% against interracial marriage in 1960). WE SAID NO! Stop trying to shove it down our throats.

          • Posted By: djcateyez @ 12/06/2008 4:03:08 PM

            no one is buying the interracial marriage compaison except for gays & their staunch supporters. If you don't like the majority vote, take it to the US Supreme Court. Stop trying to hijack aspects of the Civil Rights Movement that don't apply to sexual preference.

            • Posted By: barrel @ 12/07/2008 11:50:39 AM

              Why are we called homophobes just because we do not support your way of life? Do you know the meaning of the word? I am not scared of you, I just don't support your lifestyle.

              • Posted By: MickeyMouse2 @ 12/07/2008 12:26:40 PM

                your all sick,If god wanted us to be gay, he would of made us all one same sex, To bring our children into this world and tell them its ok to kiss a girl or boy is just as sick . No gays shall be allowed to adopt, that shall be stopped also! We will see all ages engaging in sex if this happens! What is world coming to? An end? I do not want to hear you all speak about the bible and your religion to me your worthless , you don't follow god and want to be gay. Your wasting your time at church, all your doing is sinning and your not practicing GOD! So blow smoke up someone's else's butt and go learn about god ! Do the crap in your home and keep it to your self, You don't need a piece of paper to say your married, there are plenty of you that been together for a long time so why need it? so if anything happens you can get divorce and take each others money or estate? Thats bullshit! stop wasting taxpayers money and do something better with life instaed of this bullcrap! The man upstairs is fixing to end this world and we will not have anything more to say!

  • Posted By: Quadradad @ 12/07/2008 12:25:51 PM

    Spiritual implications aside, there are many scientifically proven health issues that come along with THE CHOICE of that kind of life style.How much opposition to a thing do you want? What happens when you use tires on your car that are not designed for your wheels? Oh sure they might roll for a little way, but don't expect them to do the job forever.

  • Posted By: petie42pu @ 12/07/2008 12:23:58 PM

    "The gays"?? An all inclusive group? They are all exactly alike? Like "the blacks" or "the Jews"? You are dangerously close to segregationist and prejudicial idealism by catagorizing people into one group with a sigular identity. Would you be more willing to accept this if it meant more money in your pocket because of the extraordinary revenue "the gays" bring in with their violation of this "sacrosanct" rite? Would you be more willing if it was your son or daughter? Your mother or your father? Don't think you don't have "the gay" in your family. I promise it's there...and it isn't infectious and it can't be passed on like the flu, so you won't "get it". Open your heart and your mind. What could it do other than to increase the capacity to love and accept others as they are. "Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me.??? -Matthew 25:40

  • Posted By: Martinize @ 12/07/2008 11:48:32 AM

    Every one of my lesbian friends admit that any gay person they've ever met had some traumatic incident in their youth that turned them against the opposite sex ... incest, rape, early exposure to some perversion, etc. Whether catastrophically triggered or not, something so blatantly mismatched biologically cannot be considered 'normal' and entitled to the same word ("Marriage") that describes the accepted standard of male and female in society. Civil unions, absolutely! Be happy with that., flaunt your gayness if you must, but come up with your own new word describe your legally-bound relationship.. One would think that gays would be offended to be branded with the title of "Marriage" since it has always meant a man and woman, and that is not what you choose your union to be..

    • Posted By: Lovernotahater @ 12/07/2008 12:15:57 PM

      I was absued and am STRAIGHT. So are you saying that I should be gay because of it? You should be ashamed of yourself - not just for being of hate but for making such an illogical argument.

      • Posted By: Martinize @ 12/07/2008 12:22:15 PM

        Don't twist my words around. I never said that being abused automatically turns people gay. I'm saying that at least a number of gay people were apparently triggered against the opposite sex by abuse.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 11:52:49 AM

      Martinize you have posted this comment multiple times. Why do keep doing this?

      • Posted By: Martinize @ 12/07/2008 12:15:03 PM

        My repeating post was not intentional, I assure you. I see others scattered about here too. Please see my follow-up at 12:06 PM. While I'm at it, the grey text in the Reply window where we compose is a bit hard to see. I'm not surprised there are as many typos on this site as there are.

      • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 12:01:11 PM

        I think that he finds his posting a mandate for intelligence, so it needs to be repeated over and over to satisfy his self-concept.

  • Posted By: djohn002 @ 12/07/2008 12:14:57 PM

    I do not support gay marriage. Many major studies show that the life span of gay individual or couple (42 for a male homosexual, 39 for a male in a homosexual marriage) is significantly lower than that of a heterosexual indivisual or couple. I love the gay community, and do not want to legislate death.
    This is about life and death - not civil rights.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 12:21:59 PM

      djohn002 I assume that this bogus statistic has come from the discredited and disbarred fraud pyschiatrist Paul Cameron. Even from my own personal experience I can state with confidence that massive numbers of homosexuals live past the age of 39. What you are suggesting, that homosexuals in relationship live half the average lifespan is so ridiculous that I am surprised you did not question your sources and look further afield for accurate data. I am 56 years old, and my gay friends are very much alive I can assure you. I recently had a close gay friend die though, he was comparatively young a mere 86 - a tragic early death - must have been caused by his homosexuality according to you. Oh for those unused years and lost opportunities to be returned.

  • Posted By: lgove @ 12/07/2008 12:05:44 PM

    And the decay of society continues to grow.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 12:17:53 PM

      and hets continually have sex and multiply exacerbating the issue.

  • Posted By: gemmy @ 12/07/2008 11:34:05 AM

    No! please don't stop the AIDS disease! This disease was sent down by God to eradicate or destroy the sinful acts of his children on EARTH. It's extremely sad that babies have to die from this terrible disease but that is called "utilitarianism." People it's a no brainer!

    • Posted By: Sepulchre @ 12/07/2008 12:15:53 PM

      If AIDs is punishement from God on the wicked and both hetrosexual and homosexuals get it and it is almost non-existant amoung women who are strictly lesbian. Wouldn't that make lesbians the chosen people by your own logic?

  • Posted By: RealNEMom @ 12/07/2008 11:36:29 AM

    I am hetero - my husband is hetero - our siblings and parents are hetero - our oldest daughter and two younger sons are hetero - we have a daughter who is gay - she is beautiful, brilliant, kind, sweet, loving. She has NEVER been abused in any way - she dated boys in high school - broke several boys' hearts as she tried to be like most of the other girls in her class - when she came out to us, she was tearful and frightened - she had been terribly depressed and we were so worried about her - once she knew she had our unconditional acceptance of her sexual orientation, her depression lifted and she began to live her life. Her younger teenage brother had some difficulty at first understanding what she was explaining to us but, in a short time, because we ARE A LOVING NORMAL AVERAGE family, he has become her greatest champion and one of her best friends. Her friends are straight and gay and bi - just like our friends - and she has excellent judgment in choosing friends - they are employed, kind, intelligent people. Our daughter has grown up in the way we raised her - following the golden rule. But, here is where I become afraid - it is clear by the blogging here that her life will likely be unecessarily complicated by the extreme prejudice and confusion that is still present in our society - we can only protect our children so much - she will have to be a strong resilient woman to overcome the small and dangerous minds who are writing the posts here - I can try to comfort myself by knowing, however, that many of you would not know that someone was gay/lesbian without a sign stating so and your "orientation" is so obvious, that we, at least, can steer clear of your arrogant, self-centered, bigoted souls. All of you will be coming back many times - until you learn the lessons of humility and human kindness. In the meantime, you will be in our collective prayers that you will come to understand the diversity of the human being without too much suffering - for, if you do, we will have peace.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:39:58 AM

      Thank you for sharing your story! It is such a breath of fresh air. God speaks through you!

      • Posted By: jfranksocal @ 12/07/2008 11:43:19 AM

        It is refreshing to hear from an adult.. Thank you!

        • Posted By: RealNEMom @ 12/07/2008 12:13:48 PM

          it gives me hope to know that there people who are not afraid of opposing ignorance. Thank you for responding. This is the first time I have ever posted a comment on any blog - my daughter has inspired a return to my teenage 60's roots!

  • Posted By: Katiekins @ 12/07/2008 12:00:58 PM

    Gays are perverts! Why not legalize incest also? And don't give me that moronic excuse "The baby will be deformed" because most pro gay people are also pro abortion. They twist everything around when it is convenient to support their sick agenda. Why can'yt I marry my brother? Or my father? I'm post menapausal so there will be no baby! I demand to legalize incest! If the gays get their way, I want my way!

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 12:06:25 PM

      Again, another het and more moronic comments....

  • Posted By: Think outside the box @ 12/07/2008 11:53:41 AM

    Maybe this is why people oppose gay rights; it's a bit deeper than what the naked eye can see.
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/nambla_exposed.htm

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 12:04:06 PM

      Think outside the box I didn't realise they allowed the pasting of website URL's here. OK here is one for you:
      http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/

      Your posting of a pedophile site shows how little you understand homosexuals and homosexuality. It has never been and never will be a part of my agenda to promote the sexual abuse of minors. The likes of you use rogue organisations like NAMBLA as straw man argument to suggest that every gay person supports them. We do not. Once the pedophile agenda of NAMBLA became public knowledge, they were expelled from the International Lesbian and Gay Association. Most homosexuals, such as myself, have young family members and we would ba as outraged as you if anyone tried to harm them in any way.

  • Posted By: costatico @ 12/07/2008 12:02:13 PM

    McGun, your "purpose" in life extends only in this world. Even now as you read this you're probably thinking how you can one up me with a one or two liner but the truth will be made known unto you one day and you'll remember me and many others. But even in that day my arms will be extended to you and hopefully you will see the "light" with a broken heart and a contrite spirit. You can't argue the fact that I know, nothing you could ever say or do to me could ever make me deny what I know that what you don't.

  • Posted By: Katiekins @ 12/07/2008 11:59:55 AM

    Gays are perverts! Why not legalize incest also? And don't give me that moronic excuse "The baby will be deformed" because most pro gay people are also pro abortion. They twist everything around when it is convenient to support their sick agenda. Why can'yt I marry my brother? Or my father? I'm post menapausal so there will be no baby! I demand to legalize incest! If the gays get their way, I want my way!

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