A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: knick.34 @ 12/07/2008 11:59:24 AM

    As a gay man, I can tell you that my being gay is not a choice, but natural selection. As a Christian, I also submit that my being gay is not a test of my faith, but of YOURS.

  • Posted By: markeluther @ 12/06/2008 12:13:40 AM

    Wow! Can someone tell me where the gay marriage surge is happening. Certainly not in any US state I have visited. Gays continue to be a minority of this country that have made a decision (Yes I said decision) to live this alternative life style for whatever their reasons are, and this minority expects the country to bend over backward and grant them special rights, minority status protection, and all the other perks of reparation and entitlement society. I guess when you lose a vote, that's not good enough. The fact that we are even having this conversation is an insult and slap in the face to the constitution. But these hardcore liberals (which most gays are) dont believe in the constitution. To them and the rest of the wacko socialists, the constitution is just a guideline and should be amended anytime a moniroty group don't get their way.

    I hope I am not alone when I say that when I sit and examine the possibility that we potentially will change the language of the United States constitution perhaps in my lifetime to redefine what marriage is, I get sick to my stomach.

    I don't believe gays should be disriminated against or beat up or made to drink from separate water fountains or anything of the like. But I equally don't believe my daughters should be purposely confused to think that gay behavior is not only acceptable, it is normal. I do have gay friends, and they know my stance on this. Homosexuality, beyond being a freakish deviant sexual behavior is equally a morale sin against God. The Bible is very clear about this, regardless what scholars try to contradict. All we can do is hope that homosexuals see the error of their ways, ask Jesus Christ to come into their hearts and work hard to change their sinful nature and behaviors. Afterall, we are talking about behaviors here. No one is born gay. I'm sorry, you just aren't.

    • Posted By: Datax @ 12/06/2008 1:29:15 AM

      Excuse me, but I believe that the constitution is being ammended to state that gays are not allowed to marry, not the other way around. I am a liberal. I deeply believe in the constitution, and I wish that the Republicans would stop trying to write their discrimination into it. And regarding the special protections that we have added...how dare Americans allow women the right to vote? How dare we allow schools to have different races in it? How dare we make it so blacks can drink from our water fountains? Please, you have the right to believe in what ever religion you like; I myself am a Christian. But I don't use my religion as an excuse to try to take people's rights away. I think God would be ashamed.

      • Posted By: HeRose2102 @ 12/07/2008 11:59:23 AM

        By saying you are Christian, you are saying you have been "born again" as Jesus spoke about in John chp. 3. You are saying you have become "a new creation in Christ, the old has gone, the new has come". We are not Christians unless God has done a work only He can do, which is to transform us into a "new creation".

    • Posted By: Michael1966 @ 12/06/2008 12:19:01 AM

      Bravo!!

  • Posted By: Martinize @ 12/07/2008 11:32:41 AM

    Every one of my lesbian friends admit that any gay person they've ever met had some traumatic incident in their youth that turned them against the opposite sex ... incest, rape, early exposure to some perversion, etc. Whether catastrophically triggered or not, something so blatantly mismatched biologically cannot be considered 'normal' and entitled to the same word ("Marriage") that describes the accepted standard of male and female in society. Civil unions, absolutely! Be happy with that., flaunt your gayness if you must, but come up with your own new word describe your legally-bound relationship.. One would think that gays would be offended to be branded with the title of "Marriage" since it has always meant a man and woman, and that is not what you choose your union to be..

    • Posted By: jfranksocal @ 12/07/2008 11:38:19 AM

      I have never had a traumatic experience in my childhood and i am gay so your point is moot.

      • Posted By: DS42 @ 12/07/2008 11:48:03 AM

        No that just means you are a degenerate by choice, which makes it even worse.

        • Posted By: jfranksocal @ 12/07/2008 11:56:37 AM

          I don't remember ever getting a choice your statement is moot as well.

  • Posted By: GBwisFan @ 12/07/2008 11:47:57 AM

    What with global warming due to technology, a bad economy due in large part to corporate greed, drug addicts running amok and expecting the working class to pay their way through life, sexually transmitted diseases being spread due to orgies and sleeping with members of the same sex and other social and economic strife, the world has more than likey entered into into its final chapter. So, do what you want queers and have fun trying to get into God's world as he doesn't want the same problems we have here on Earth. Most queers don't believe in God anyway so this shouldn't matter to you. Just remember one thing: Mark Twain once said, "I believe in God just in case there might be something to it!" These are good words to live by.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:53:31 AM

      No I disagree.....every gay or lesbian is a result of a "straight" human beings sexual behavior...heterosex....Dont you think if god knew that gays and lesbians caused the destruction of his world he wouldnt let these gay folks be born in the first place.....Oh yea thats right we have abortion for those hets who dont want the responsibility.....our Comment

  • Posted By: Martinize @ 12/07/2008 11:47:13 AM

    Every one of my lesbian friends admit that any gay person they've ever met had some traumatic incident in their youth that turned them against the opposite sex ... incest, rape, early exposure to some perversion, etc. Whether catastrophically triggered or not, something so blatantly mismatched biologically cannot be considered 'normal' and entitled to the same word ("Marriage") that describes the accepted standard of male and female in society. Civil unions, absolutely! Be happy with that., flaunt your gayness if you must, but come up with your own new word describe your legally-bound relationship.. One would think that gays would be offended to be branded with the title of "Marriage" since it has always meant a man and woman, and that is not what you choose your union to be..

  • Posted By: RealNEMom @ 12/07/2008 11:42:26 AM

    to Martinez - wow - I hope your lesbian friends are getting the help they need - you need to know, however, that the majority of gay/lesbian people have not had such trauma - you must be living in a community that abuses women in general - I know a number of women (through my profession) who have been traumatized sexually and no one is lesbian as a result of that - instead, they keep returning to heterosexual abusive relationships or have learned to look out for their tendencies to choose abusing male mates. So, are you also saying that gay men have had similar traumas and that is why they are gay? Very weird train of thought.

  • Posted By: ru4real6846 @ 12/07/2008 11:37:53 AM

    Aids came from African men making love to monkeys because they don't know any better. Then they came to America and made love to American chicks, that didn't know any better. And then they passed it on to others. People using drugs, shot up using the same needle, passing the disease on. There probably will never be a cure for this terrible disease. People in this world have no respect for human kind. Millions of people have died from aids and there will be a lot more. People need to practice safe sex or don't have sex. Use your brains, because people in Africa sure didn't.

  • Posted By: treebrad @ 12/07/2008 11:23:38 AM

    Its very imoral. Read the bible or god will show it to you someday.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:37:22 AM

      Do you honestly think Hitler used the bible to make his choices for his dream? Yes he did....

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 11:32:34 AM

      treebrad No it's not immoral. There is no sexually explicit reference in the Bible to innate same sex orientation. Nor did Jesus Christ ever utter a single word about homosexual people. If the word 'homosexual' appears in your bible then it is a mistranslation by a homophobe. In ancient Greek and Hebrew, there was no word for a homosexual. This word first appeared in 1869 in the German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny & the classification was defined by the German psychiatrist Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing in his 1886 work Psychopathia Sexualis. If you want to ignore 2000 years of research, you won't be very persuasive with your argument.

  • Posted By: FamilyPhysician @ 12/07/2008 11:30:45 AM

    Homosexualiity is another form of mental illness. Why don't we let sheepfarmers marry their favorite sheep, baaaaaah! Gays need to get some serious mental health care and quit PUSHING this ridiculous issue on anyone, sheep lovers included!

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 11:35:45 AM

      Homosexuality was for a while regarded as a mental disorder, but after research study after research study showed that there is no pathology involved, it was removed from this of disorders classifed by the American Psychiatry Association. My relationship with a same sex partner is not immoral. What would be immensely immoral would be for me to artbitrarily marry some female of random selection just to suit your convenience. The likes of you keep tell us homosexuals that we should marry someone of the opposite gender, but you forget how unwilling you would be yourself to marry someone you feel nothing for. Does it never enter your head that love comes into the equation somewhere? Love and deep sexual attraction, an overwhelming desire to be with that person for life? If that is not how you see your relationship with the opposite sex, then it is not I but you who are sick and need help.

      I have many female friends whom I respect enormously, but both they and I know that there is no sex involved. It is friendship, pure and simple. Same goes for my straight male friends.

      As for your claim that marrying a sheep is in the same category as a committed relationship between two loving adults, well all that shows is how little thought you have given this issue.

  • Posted By: Wise Man 1 @ 12/07/2008 11:16:40 AM

    People who exist in a sexual same gender relationship have a mental disease and should have phsycological and medical intervention. The fact that these immoral relationships should somehow become legalized is so laughable that it should not even be brought up among intelligent human beings.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:31:45 AM

      Heterosexuality is the real immoral devil evil....for those of you who constantly quote and use the holy bible. You types have no idea that heterosexuality is destroying the Earth.... more and more humans and more and more.....you think its bad now....wait ...the more we procreate... the percentage of gays, and lesbians, transgenders, and other "freaks" increases as well.....put aside your frivolous religious beliefs for a moment and look at the reality of the numbers in terms of population demographics.....This is the truth.....its happening all over the world.....my advice is simple...try to get used to it because the younger generation is all over it....

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 11:26:15 AM

      Wise Man 1 I am surprised by your choice of cognomen, because it is evident from your post that you are anything but wise. Homosexuality was for a while regarded as a mental disorder, but after research study after research study showed that there is no pathology involved, it was removed from this of disorders classifed by the American Psychiatry Association. My relationship with a same sex partner is not immoral. What would be immensely immoral would be for me to artbitrarily marry some female of random selection just to suit your convenience. The likes of you keep tell us homosexuals that we should marry someone of the opposite gender, but you forget how unwilling you would be yourself to marry someone you feel nothing for. Does it never enter your head that love comes into the equation somewhere? Love and deep sexual attraction, an overwhelming desire to be with that person for life? If that is not how you see your relationship with the opposite sex, then it is not I but you who are sick and need help.

      I have many female friends whom I respect enormously, but both they and I know that there is no sex involved. It is friendship, pure and simple. Same goes for my straight male friends.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:22:16 AM

      Ha ha ha....ever look at the state of the Earth's environment? With your wise reasoning about gays and their lifestyle your chain of logic suggests that the collapse of the environment is because of gays too....am I right?

      There are not enough of gays around...way to many breeders....way to many....GOD wants us to save the planet... by not procreating recklessly like the breeders do...

  • Posted By: gail4him @ 12/07/2008 10:59:44 AM

    I was not polled and I am against gay marriage. I believe it is morally wrong (biblical). Just as some are passionately for gay marriage , I am against it. I also stongly object to persons against the gay life style and marriage being "homophobic" or "intolerant", it is a tatic both the media and gay support groups use to discredit persons who object. It is not the person personally I object to, is the sexual act between same sex persons. I sincerely love all persons and do not personally treat them different. But I cannot condone marriage between two persons if I stongly believe homosexuality is wrong. The majority has spoken.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 11:18:20 AM

      gail4him Speaking only for myself, I am not too insistent on having the word 'marriage' applied to any relationship that I might enter into with a person of the same gender as myself, and would be perfectly happy if the State forthwith ceased to perform Registry Office based marriages, and replaced them with a formally identical but nominally distinct Civil Union. Marriage would then be taken over by religions and individuals could thereafter refer to their partner however they liked. But what has brought me out in support of those seeking state based marriage is the voluminous ignorance and holier-than-thou, us-and-them mentality, emanating largely from religious sources. As for "the majority has spoken" - would you have accepted the verdict if it came down on the other side - methinks perhaps not. It would then be just as much your right to campaign to take away our rights as it would be ours to campaign in favour of them.

      • Posted By: crswal @ 12/07/2008 11:31:28 AM

        Thank you! Give the term marriage back to the church. The government should only have control over the legal aspects of a union. Civil unions/partnerships should entail completing legal forms. Marriages should be performed by churches! Divorces are given through the legal system. Why shouldn't unions be the same? And yes, I know the Catholic church also grants divorces. But how many Catholics actually go through this process??

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 11:07:43 AM

      No its not, my root in promoting homosexuality and gay marriage is rooted in supporting the environment not the gratification of women who need to have children because its the right thing to do because it is not! We need to stop having children now. Too many are abused and neglected. Selfish comments that you make about sexuality indicates to me that you feel the need to have children to feel and appear normal.

    • Posted By: jfranksocal @ 12/07/2008 11:06:52 AM

      The war is not over...

  • Posted By: costatico @ 12/07/2008 11:24:42 AM

    It's not about religious passion, it's about conviction and about being in the know. It's also about believing in something beyond this world; maybe you should try it sometime McGun you'll find that it will give your life some meaning and purpose.

  • Posted By: elderp @ 12/07/2008 11:22:58 AM

    While I would agree that religion vastly determines people's views on this subject I would disagree with you on the growing support. Due to recent violent protest by the gay community, the issue has been polarized with people that once were ok with working out compromises (such as Civil Marriage), now find themselves taking an all or nothing attitude.
    There will always be gay and straight people, biologically it is inevitable, but until tempers die down we will see more polarization on this issue. In California there is a good chance the CA Supreme Court will overule prop 8, nullifying the majority of the state of CA. People are not going to take it well, people don't like to be told their vote doesn't matter.

  • Posted By: TonyK101 @ 12/07/2008 10:52:57 AM

    Lets find a solution for Aids, not spread the disease.

    • Posted By: Frye23 @ 12/07/2008 11:22:37 AM

      Proves your ignorance here: AIDS is the number one issues for HETEROSEXUAL African American Women in the United States. Less than 50% of the AIDS cases are based on same sex transmission.

    • Posted By: gemmy @ 12/07/2008 11:13:26 AM

      No don't find a solution for AIDS, that is Gods developed disease sent down upon his children for their sinful acts. Heaven wants to rid the EARTH from these sick and demented souls whatever the costs--although innocent young babies die from this disease everyday--it's called "utilitarianism--It's a NO BRAINER!

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 10:59:28 AM

      TonyK101 Yes indeed, let's find a solution for AIDS, however two people of any gender in a committed relationship is not 'spreading the disease' of AIDS. As it happens, in the global picture, by far the majority of AIDS infecftion is being brought about by unprotected heterosexual sex. You are wrong if you believe that your heterosexuality is going to protect you from AIDS. The virus does not do a sexual orientation check before killing its host.

      • Posted By: TonyK101 @ 12/07/2008 11:02:26 AM

        You might be right. I'll have to research this a little more

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 10:59:12 AM

      Entertainment is one of the purposes of owning a computer. Glad to see that its entertaining you! :)

  • Posted By: telerin @ 12/07/2008 10:35:19 AM

    Us citizens should try to see their situation in perspective. US is one of the greatest nations in history: great in their principles, in their values, and the power they have achieved. The greatness of the US was founded, among other facts, in the importance of family in this society, the strength of their moral values and their religious beliefs.
    If US citizens stay on the track they seem to be riding, they could be eroding the very foundations of their nation.
    Distorting the essential institutions of this society could lead to disaster. Marriage should be the union between one man and one woman, and the law should promote only this possibility. Granting marriage rights to other types of unions invites young people to experiment with possibilities that are against nature and society.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 10:39:43 AM

      Can you define progessive growth in the human condition for us? and while you are at it can you define what it means to be human and when you do can you include humans of ALL definitions....not just the ones that make you comfortable?

      • Posted By: telerin @ 12/07/2008 11:07:21 AM

        I did not say that gays are not human. I do not believe gay marriage should exist.

    • Posted By: kevinbgoode @ 12/07/2008 10:42:31 AM

      Was it an institutional disaster when marriage ceased to be a property exchange between fathers and husbands?

  • Posted By: kwmcjm @ 12/07/2008 11:04:05 AM

    In 1976 just before I graduated high school my best friend and I went to a party. He was a year older than I and had already graduated. We were tight friends...even my mother loved him to death and mama generally didn't like her daughter having male friends much. My friend pulled me aside and told me we needed to go outside because he had to tell me something important. We went out to the car and settled in, he hemmed and hawed for a bit and then looked me in the eyes and said *I'm gay*. My response in a nutshell? *Okay, let's go back to the party*. I was very sheltered, raised as a Catholic and certainly didn't have much knowledge of homosexuality versus heterosexuality etc. All I knew was that my friend was the same person after he *came out* as he was before he came out. He was the one who supported me when the family violence and alcoholism got to be too much. He was the one who supported every decision I made, whether it was crazy or not. He was a Good Friend. That didn't change. I'm a happily married 50 y/o heterosexual woman. My motto is to let others be what they are. They aren't hurting me. Everyone deserves to love who they love. We generally don't have a lot of choice over who we fall in love with. Otherwise I would have picked a man who didn't have to have a liver transplant, who had enough money so we would never have to work again, etc etc...but I fell in love with who I fell in love with...warts and all! I think we need to quit worrying about who is doing what and learn how to end hatred. I believe that everyone should have the same rights...whether they be black, white, purple with pink polka dots...or gay! Happy Holidays to everyone...this should be a time of good will.

  • Posted By: TonyK101 @ 12/07/2008 10:56:55 AM

    The gays are the ones who don't beleive in GOD, as they were sent here by the devil. Can't you people see this? They are the same people who are ruining Amerca. Just look at NJ's old govenor.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 11:03:38 AM

      TonyK101 you cannot prove that I was sent here by "the Devil", but I can prove that I was not. As a matter of fact huge numbers of homosexuals actually do believe in God, and would, as I was, have been raised in Christian homes.

      I am not ruining America, I live in the United Kingdom, and before you say it, no I am not ruining the UK either. Actually I am paying taxes, working hard and helping society. What are you doing for America?

  • Posted By: DS42 @ 12/07/2008 10:57:59 AM

    I know what this is all about???.. The traditional mothers and father of this world always want what is best for their children. But uuh ooh, little Johnny or little jenny turned out to be gay; there goes the hope of the parents to having a family legacy they can be proud of. No matter how much they tell their ???confused??? kids they still love them. They, we, and the gay know they are saddened by the outcome of their kid.
    So this is all about trying to live up the expectations of a loving traditional parental unit, by wanting to say to mommy and daddy. ???Meet my legally recognized spouse, we are married. Just like you and mom.??? And then next comes ???Look mom and dad this is little Billy, he is our child and we will raise him as good as you raised me??????. And mom and dad will smile and love their grandchild.

    Deep down they will still be just as disgusted and disappointed with you as before.

  • Posted By: pawla_kitty @ 12/07/2008 10:50:57 AM

    People, in the end, what we define as marriage is not relative and changeable a term as we think. Whether you believe in Him or not, God has the final say and marriage is define between one man and one woman in GOD's eyes. Tolerance of every evil known to man has ultimately led to the downfall of civilizations. I think the Roman and Greek Civilizations have us beat with the whole tolerance of gay & lesbian behaviors....it is nothing new! But, my OPINION is just that....an opinion. Say what you will say, but God will judge in the end and Gay Marriage will NOT be on His list of things to champion.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 10:56:52 AM

      Please read with comprehension and not with religous passion! This will help you see the "light". Look at the state of the environment....its because of human reproduction OUT OF CONTROL!

  • Posted By: timebomb123 @ 12/07/2008 10:34:43 AM

    I am an African-American and I call on all African-Americans to speak out against this slogan of "Gay is the new black". It is not! If you're gay, you'd better change your slogan quick because I will surely speak out against it and rally other blacks against you nationwide.

    It makes me sick to thing of how perverted this country has has become. To even consider letting homosexuals raise adopted children is sicker than gay marriage itself. God help us!

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 10:54:27 AM

      timebomb123 You may well be an African American, but your last name was imposed on your ancestors by tyrannical white slave owners (remember the story of Kunta Kinte?), as was the white religion at which you now worship. Your anti-homosexual attitudes are as learned as is the language you speak - white man's English. All you are doing is perpetuating the repression by unthinkingly adopting what the white man told your ancestors hundreds of years ago. I do not maintain that our struggle is identical to yours, but you are wrong when you state that I chose to be a homosexual. I did not choose this, I am homosexual in spite of every influence to contrary, and every obstacle including at one time legislative ones, that has been placed in my path.

      It is very easy to be a heterosexual, you just be yourself, and you can congratulate yourself every day for being a heterosexual and with immense self satisfaction look around for homosexuals to feel superior to. You will see yourself in all the movies, have your public flauntings of heterosexuality, known as weddings, wedding rings, kissing your partner etc.. Homosexuals have comparable dreams and ambitions to your own, with one difference - it is for members of our own gender. The thing that amazes is that so much offence is being taken by people totally unaffected by us. My sexual orientation affects you in not the slightest degree. I am not preventing you from continuing your 'heterosexual lifestyle', and making as many babies as you want.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 10:37:26 AM

      No God needs to Help YOU!

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