A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: VoiceOReason @ 12/07/2008 8:35:35 AM

    This whole debate should be a non-issue. Marriage is a religious sacrament, not a government activity. Can you imagine the state performing a baptism? The solution is to stop all civil marriages in favor of civil unions for all couples and let each individual church decide which kinds of marriages it will perform.

    • Posted By: kevinbgoode @ 12/07/2008 9:32:20 AM

      The very reason why the marriage statutes should be purged. The state has no business endorsing any "religious" institution, nor establishing that belief as constitutional law. Let the wingnut churches furnish the "incidents" of marriage.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 8:54:26 AM

      VoiceOReason Makes sense to me. The trouble is, however, the state itself actually calls this a marriage, even when performed in the Registry Office by a public servant. As for myself, I am not particularly passionate about applying the term 'marriage' to a same sex relationship, so long as I am not disadvantaged through unjust discrimination for being in that relationship. If the state relinquished its use of the term marriage and created an equivalent non-religious institution for gay and straight alike, then I would be happy.

  • Posted By: joesanchez52 @ 12/07/2008 9:32:16 AM

    homosexuality is actually very prevalent in nature.

  • Posted By: joesanchez52 @ 12/07/2008 9:32:15 AM

    homosexuality is actually very prevalent in nature.

  • Posted By: joesanchez52 @ 12/07/2008 9:32:15 AM

    homosexuality is actually very prevalent in nature.

  • Posted By: joesanchez52 @ 12/07/2008 9:32:13 AM

    homosexuality is actually very prevalent in nature.

  • Posted By: Ren27 @ 12/07/2008 9:14:43 AM

    I think the real issue here is that homosexuality exists and is not going to go away. Whether you are "for" it or "against" it is irrelevant. People are going to be identifying as homosexual until the end of time (however soon you may think that will be).

    The truth is, like it or not, adults in the United States who are homosexuals have the right to be in a relationship with any other consenting adult. (Unlike pedophiles, who chose children who cannot legally consent, or those who practice beastiality, where obviously the animal cannot consent).

    Forget the civil rights part of this (though homosexuals are being treated as second-class citizens just as African Americans were at one time) ... what about Article 4 section 1 of the Constitution that guarentees "full faith and credit" will be given to public acts, records, and judicial decisions? People who get / got married in California, Connecticut, and Massachusetts should sue under that to get equal rights in their home states.

  • Posted By: cocodee @ 12/07/2008 9:03:39 AM

    1. As long as marriage is sanctioned by the state for anyone, this is a civil rights issue. And as long as one person is denied civil rights, all people are denied civil rights.
    2. For the above reason, the ban on marriage for one sement of the population is illegal and unconstitutional.
    3. Gays are not the new blacks. People who are homosexual are as unique in their demands for civil rights as any other group. This arguement is offered only to cloud the true issue - civil rights.
    4. Being gay is not a "lifestyle choice." If it were, I would have made it long ago. Being gay is another of god's love of diversity, if you believe in god, then you cannot discount any of god's handiwork.
    5. Jesus commanded his folowers to "love one another as I have loved you." Is it really the Christian thing to do to deny your brethren the opportunity to a full and loving life within the legality of marriage? What would Jesus do? Honor and accept each individual for his/her life in the community of humankind.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 9:06:11 AM

      cocodee Thank you. Well said.

  • Posted By: jfranksocal @ 12/07/2008 9:04:13 AM

    jparker44 Massachusetts allows Gay marriage, so I guess your wrong (again).

  • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 8:57:46 AM

    Dear Gemmy, I think, by the suggestions of your posts, that YOU are the individual that suffers from abuse from YOUR past.

  • Posted By: sad country @ 12/07/2008 8:00:34 AM

    We live in a country that is going down fast. GAY is wrong . People are sick of hearing about it. Obama as president we will go down even faster. This guy is such an imbarrasment for all of us.

    • Posted By: rosso69 @ 12/07/2008 8:48:53 AM

      "Imbarrasment"? I bet Obama would have spelled that correctly. You should be embarrassed. Look it up!

    • Posted By: rosso69 @ 12/07/2008 8:39:39 AM

      "Imbarrasment" ? I bet Obama would have spelled it correctly. You should be embarrassed. Look it up!

    • Posted By: cubbyfanintx @ 12/07/2008 8:17:25 AM

      I could not agree with you more. It troubles me how sick America has become; however, I do not believe the poll. I think it is another lie by the liberal media trying to shape public opinion to be in line with their perverted agenda. Even california where most of the kooks and weirdos live voted against same sex marriage.

  • Posted By: jparker44 @ 12/07/2008 8:48:01 AM

    Don't know how you can say this considering California, the most liberal state in the country, just voted it out.

  • Posted By: bdsleepy @ 12/07/2008 7:07:59 AM

    dwmusic -- Your choice in life is not my problem . I am not trying to change you. I don't agree with your choice nor will support any laws for same sex marriage. Drive on and be happy just don't try to change laws that the majority of the population does not support.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 7:30:26 AM

      bdsleepy From your various posts, I am starting to believe that you don't actually love your spouse, and only married them because it is the only "legal and acceptable choice". You did not do this of a natural desire to be with your opposite sex partner, or to have children, you did this because you are supposed to. You went through all that inconvenience out of civic and moral duty, not from sexual attraction in the slightest. In your posting you stated that this is what you are teaching your children. It is not acceptable for them to mate with someone out of love, only out of moral recititude, according to you and your religion that is.

      You really don't get it do you. A person's likes and dislikes are chemically ingrained, and are unchangeable. Someone might tell me all the like that I should like turnips, how great they are, how good for me. But the taste makes me want to throw up - it runs in the family, my Dad hates turnips too. Homosexuality makes you want to throw up - it is repugnant to you, but you don't have the human understanding to appreciate that Nature in all its variety specifically prevents you and your ilk from trying to bully everyone into subjection and make us all the same.

      If sexual orientation were a choice, then there would be no homosexuality, period.

      Why 'choose' an orientation that causes so much hatred, discrimination, loss of love and respect from family, friends and peers for so many unfortunates? Now if I have finally convinced you that a sexual orientation is innate, your response may well be - ok then you must be celibate for your entire natural life, no relationship with a soul, not even masturbation. It's easy for you to promote such 'standards', or to claim (falsely in my view) that God teaches this, if you are not doing it yourself.

      If, as I strongly suspect, that is your attutide, then obviously we shall have to agree to disagree. That won't stop me from standing for my rights and those of my peers however. The rest of those reading these posts maybe will start to appreciate what we're up against.

      • Posted By: anti-stereotype @ 12/07/2008 8:47:51 AM

        I agree with you in large part, but I would like to request that the tired old "no one would choose to get picked on" argument doesn't hold much water. It's often true, but as a sweeping generality, useless. People like picking fights. They like feeling put down.

        Christians demand to hear "Merry Christmas" instead of going home happy with a clerk's generalised holiday wishes. Atheists feel offended by the existence of a Christmas tree in a favorite store, though it carries no religious symbolism except association. How easy would it be for either side to accept the good wishes of their neighbor? But they choose not to do so. Righteous indignation is a human pastime. We like feeling above society, misunderstood, like we have a great cause for which to wage battle. We seek violence in our entertainment and sports, and nothing starts a great bar-room discussion like a bad call by a ref, or draws people in to see a film like an explosion.

        "The Matrix" said that humans like adversity, that placed into a perfect, happy world, they tried to tear themselves out. That's a bit extreme, but we do like a challenge, the word my gay friend in highschool used to describe the issues he faced--before admitting in college that it had been a lie all along, and marrying his girlfriend. He's not typical, and I do think that most gays are legitimate in their feelings. But come on; aren't rallies fun?

      • Posted By: anti-stereotype @ 12/07/2008 8:47:50 AM

        I agree with you in large part, but I would like to request that the tired old "no one would choose to get picked on" argument doesn't hold much water. It's often true, but as a sweeping generality, useless. People like picking fights. They like feeling put down.

        Christians demand to hear "Merry Christmas" instead of going home happy with a clerk's generalised holiday wishes. Atheists feel offended by the existence of a Christmas tree in a favorite store, though it carries no religious symbolism except association. How easy would it be for either side to accept the good wishes of their neighbor? But they choose not to do so. Righteous indignation is a human pastime. We like feeling above society, misunderstood, like we have a great cause for which to wage battle. We seek violence in our entertainment and sports, and nothing starts a great bar-room discussion like a bad call by a ref, or draws people in to see a film like an explosion.

        "The Matrix" said that humans like adversity, that placed into a perfect, happy world, they tried to tear themselves out. That's a bit extreme, but we do like a challenge, the word my gay friend in highschool used to describe the issues he faced--before admitting in college that it had been a lie all along, and marrying his girlfriend. He's not typical, and I do think that most gays are legitimate in their feelings. But come on; aren't rallies fun?

  • Posted By: bdsleepy @ 12/07/2008 4:57:42 AM

    Cool down Tiger---I have a nephew who is gay. I don't hate him nor will I throw him in the garbage. We have an understanding--We just don't talk about it--and he does not express it around me and my family. In the 80's we had gay bashing which is a crime. But listen to you Tiger --- Line me up and shoot me??? You should grow up.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 5:59:43 AM

      Comment: bdsleepy With your attitude, if any of your kids turns out to be homosexual, they may well become so depressed they will suicide. Gay kids suicide at 6 times the national rate because of rejection and disenfranchisement by their peer group, their church, their schools and worst of all, their families. If you accepted and loved a gay child, they would not do this. The family should be a fortress against hatreds.

      Don't think you can "bring up your kids to be heterosexual" -I was brought up as straight as a toothpick. My parents are heterosexual, as are all my siblings and cousins, my church taught only heterosexuality as a possible relationship, all the movies I watched had hetero relationships. At no point in my childhood was I exposed to homosexuality. None. One day, as happens for all teenagers, I started to become sexually aware. Of Men. It is to a male and a male only that I have ever had any sexual attraction. It would have been a thousand times more convenient for it to have been female, because then I would have fitted into the box, but it wasn't. I won't waste valuable space here with the minutiae of all the things I went through, including my own suicide, from which I incredibly recovered, albeit substantially disabled, but let me tell you this, you cannot judge others unless you have walked a mile in their mocassins.

      If your child grows up and loves somebody, and that somebody loves them back, that is the greatest happiness they might know. Don't rob them of that, or you may one day find yourself without their love, and possibly without theiir life as well.

      It was through my own suicide that my parents became aware of my homosexualty. Now, two generations later, I have learned to accept and value myself as I am. Fortunately for me, I live in an age where it is possible at last to do this with the love and support of family, friends and peers.

      • Posted By: Janusz @ 12/07/2008 7:28:34 AM

        Enter Your CommentNo major religion permits homosexual marriages, maybe with exception of Buddhism, Jesus said "who is without sin can cast a first stone", but then he said "go and sin no more" so any approval of homosexuality by any allegedly christian church is perversion of Bible. On the other hand, what is wrong with civil union, with all the right, duties and privileges of marriage? such as first lesbian marriage in Mass thatr ended in divorce because of "spousal abuse"?

        • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 8:44:42 AM

          Janusz Contrary to your assertion that no Christian church will recognise a same sex union, and that the Bible condemns same sex love, an increasing number of Christian churches nowadays do recognise and bless same sex unions. If you check out the Metropolitan Community Christian Church, and wouldjesusdiscriminate dot com, and a host of other resources, you will be able to understand how many different interpretations have been made and continue to be made of the Bible's alleged proscriptions of various moral acts.

  • Posted By: NeldaDee @ 12/07/2008 8:40:57 AM

    Who in their right mind (or left) would try to indoctrinate a child to become something that they are not? When schools teach ABOUT families, we describe the many types of families. Some children have a single mother. Some children live with their uncle and aunt. Some with their grandparents. Some with two mommies or two daddies. We also teach about different cultures, races, genders, and we teach how everyone is created equally. We are not teaching children HOW to be a single mother. Or HOW to be a grandparent. The DYSfunctional behavior some of you are describing is not up to you to help make laws against. I may find your behavior of being a Jello wrestler kinda weird, but in this land of the free, knock yourself out. Just because YOU find something repulsive doesn't mean there should be a law against it. If that were the case, eating pickled pigs feet would probably not be legal. I don't know many people who are pickled pigs feet eaters. The constitution of this great nation ENSURES our rights and liberties. It does not take them away. Our constitution was created to make sure that the majority (51% ?) cannot dictate over the minority (49%). Take a civics class and learn something, people.

  • Posted By: nowifebill @ 12/07/2008 8:40:31 AM

    Every vote this year went against gay marriage so they whine about the people's will. Can I whine that we elected a racist socilaist and have a revote with he media's help?

  • Posted By: gemmy @ 12/07/2008 8:38:48 AM

    The public does not support GAY MARRIAGE! Can't you tell by the blogs.

  • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 8:37:58 AM

    I have read most of these posts and the anti-gay feelings are from folks who can barely read and rely on "gut" responses that they here from religous right.

    Lets kick it up a notch and ask the following question, who will save the Earth from over population by humans? It certaintly will not be by heterobreeders! The more we reproduce the more resources our planet has will be depleted! The human race is just that a race to deplete the Earth of its resources. Hets or better known as breeders have done more damage to this planet and our society than ever. Fags, homos, lesbians, or transgender persons do not have this innate greed to populate the planet. We want to survive have our love be accepted by all including our "own" and have the same benefits as others.

  • Posted By: gemmy @ 12/07/2008 8:11:08 AM

    No homosexuals & pedophiles have the same mental problem, that's right you were molested by an adult at one time in your life or either by a pedophile. Until you come to grips with your mental problem of wanting sex with a same sex homosapien, you will never live a normal fruitful life. Plus God will never forgive these kinds of mentally ill acts, remember sodom & gomorrah. That's a fact.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 8:34:09 AM

      gemmy Without you in my community, thankfully I am living a very full and fruitful life, and no I was never molested by anybody either when I was a child nor at any other time. However I strongly suspect you may have been. Many people who have been sexually abused as children grow up confusing this predatory assault witth homosexuality, as clearly you do, and hate homosexuals as a result. Was it family member who abused you? That is the most common source of all sexual assaults upon defenceless, trusting children.

      If you seek counselling, you can overcome your fear of and ignorance about homosexuality, and deal with the sexual assaults you clearly must have suffered as a child. Just because this happened in your case, you have wrongly come to the conclusion that the assaults you suffered were in some way connected with homosexuality. Let me assure you that nothing could be further from the truth as any careful research into the facts will attest. I am very sorry if this happened to you, and I can only say how glad I am that it never happaned to me.

  • Posted By: knsav @ 12/07/2008 8:32:11 AM

    With the results of this blog it looks like there is a surge of Prop 8. . Wonder where this poll was taken? ..Newsweek studio, maybe???? Some one needs to change the title of this article....

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