A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: TomIsaac @ 12/06/2008 9:56:55 PM

    Wow, Robert R. you have a lot of hate toward a group of people you don't even understand. Why all the name calling? Sounds like someone doesn't like themselves that much. We don't choose to be 'deviant,' it is how we were born. If you ever got past your closed mind and had a conversation with a gay person, you might begin to understand what makes us different. Someone can't change their skin color, like they can not change your sexual orientation. The civil rights movement is open to anyone fighting for civil rights, like civil marriage. We are united in our efforts against people like you- that spread hate and support inequality.

    I'm an openly gay teacher, where I work my ass off to help my students succeed, I pay my taxes, and contribute in a positive way to society- therefore, my partner and I should be able to enter into a civil marriage.

    • Posted By: onetiredmom @ 12/07/2008 4:07:10 AM

      In response to TomIsaac:

      With all due respect, I have always found it to be the other way around in regards as to who has the "closed mind". Why is it that we always hear from the homosexuals, that the "straight" people have closed minds? Why do we have to have your lifestyle SHOVED down our throats? Why is it that because the vast majority of voters in California, who are from all walks of life, have voted to keep marriage between a man and a woman, that now gay rights supporters have THREATENED TO KILL members of certain religions, the gay rights suporters have vandalized their churches and such. Tell me, whos the one truly being hateful and close minded?

      Also, since the beginning of the unity of marriage, it has been a relgious ceremony. And coming from a Christian point of view, if one chooses NOT to follow the teachings of Christ, then WHY IN THE WORLD would you want to partake in a religious ceremony? I JUST DON'T GET IT!

  • Posted By: starwatcher777 @ 12/06/2008 1:59:24 PM

    What strikes me most about this comments section, is the sheer volume of comments in compared to other articles that are probably more important.

    Getting that out of the way. well said OttoPilot and shmaverick, what the bible says on this issue is indeed irelevant.

    • Posted By: Motorinstructor @ 12/06/2008 2:19:34 PM

      I would not be so presumptuous to say that what the Bible has to say on this subject is irrelevant. "Consider the following words from the Apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans: Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator???who is forever praised. Amen.

      26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator???who is forever praised. Amen.

      26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."



      • Posted By: Minus5 @ 12/07/2008 4:06:43 AM

        When was the last time you read a bible? 1 Cor. 6:9 ??? 7:1-3

    • Posted By: OnlyCure=Truth @ 12/06/2008 4:34:28 PM

      Perverts

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 12/06/2008 12:51:09 PM

    There appears to be some confusion in the observance that Jesus ''never mentions homosexuality''which creates a prima facie acceptance of gay marriage by the Godhead [ dealing with utterances attributed both to God and Jesus in the Bible].
    Nothing can be further from the truth.Jesus accepts the homosexual,but specifically maintains that marriage is a thing belonging only to one woman and one man. All else is intrigue. Indeed,in the entire New Testament,[Matthew 19,Mark 10] the only verses in the Christian Bible that are repeated verbatim from those of the Old [ Genesis 1] ,divorced from the original Ten Commandments are those concerning marriage.And which two genders are to engage in that compact. Even Leviticus has no place here as it is not a portion of the New Testament,as that device applies to Jews,not gentiles.
    Arguments are also erroneously made that one shall ''Judge Not''. This is also confusion,of which Jesus is not the author of. This Gospel applies to people.[gays] Not acts [gay marriage]. In Matthew,seeing such confusion evidenced by the Apostles in arguing over law as decreed by the Pharisee,an exasperated Jesus turns on Peter and asks him,''why then,do you not judge that which is right''? as well as the oft used ''Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars,and unto God that which is Gods''.
    The Christian defense of opposite sex marriage thus not only ''renders unto God''as God specifically mentions this in Genesis I,but also ''judges that which is right'',as maintained by Jesus in Mathew 19 and Mark 10. Certainly,gays may seek secular remedy. But these should not deign to think that God or the Jesus of the Bible is square with or approving of such a condition,as their positions maintain.

    • Posted By: shmaverick @ 12/06/2008 1:27:08 PM

      Yes, most gays and lesbians could agree with Jesus on this: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's." Marriage functions both as a legal institution, protecting inheritance rights, spousal benefits, hospital visitation rights (all Caesar's domain), and for some a religious institution (God's domain). The churches already define marriage how they want--my wife and I couldn't get married in a Catholic Church because she's been divorced, so we found another church--and that is as it should be. Gays and lesbians aren't asking churches to redefine their ideas of marriage. They simply want us to let Caesar do his job, and enforce the same legal protections of civil marriage for their families that opposite-sex couples have.

      • Posted By: Minus5 @ 12/07/2008 4:02:57 AM

        The problem with justifying it is that your saying it???s okay. And it???s not okay for two men/women to being raising a child. 1 Cor. 6:9 ??? 7:1-3

  • Posted By: Minus5 @ 12/07/2008 3:45:20 AM

    So your saying it???s okay to be a homosexual and you???re saying you were born this way?
    What I don???t agree with is the moral values, which are slowly being eroded from our society.

    What about pedophiles? Are they born that way also? Society looks at them as being sick and disgusting. But if I look at it from your view, we should accept them also because they were born that way. In Roman times sleeping with young boys was fine and accepted, but our society today despises it.

    I don???t personally know any pedophiles, but from what I???ve read and seen they can???t help themselves- ???they were born that way???. I can???t see how looking at little kids naked could possibly turn someone on, just as I can???t see being turned on by another guy or being gay.

    So what am I saying? I???m saying American values are eroding and being homosexual should not be accepted. Although it is slowly becoming so, due to television celebrities (Ellen and Rosie O.) and more and more homosexual life styles being shown on TV. I guess the more and more we see them on TV, society will think it???s okay and say hey ???there not so bad???. I???m sure their not either, but that still doesn???t make it right!

    Our American society was founded on religious beliefs and values (just look at the dollar bill). And slowly but surely were going to find a way to change that and interrupt what our founding fathers were trying to say.

  • Posted By: ok4u @ 12/06/2008 2:38:26 PM

    It's a good thing we're not all homosexual. What would they do to continue the species? I guess they'll have to depend on the heteros for that small thing. Strange homosapiens are they not? A self-extinguishing lifestyle, dependent on the straights for their very existence.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/06/2008 3:27:03 PM

      to: ok4u - yes it is indeed a good thing we're not all homosexual, as indeed it is an even better thing that we're not all heterosexual, otherwise we would all be wiped out in record time. We homosexuals ensure the survival of the human race, specifically by not propagating. What would you do with all the babies that 300 million (approximate number of homosexuals in the world) extra parents would make? You cannot even care for and feed the 6 billion plus we have right now.

      It is a good thing that we're not the same in many other respects, otherwise we would all be left handed geniuses with red hair. Nature in all its wondrous variety defies every attempt by the likes of you to impose absolute uniformity on the human species.

      In support of your inalienable right to continue to be a heterosexual, I would like to place on record my thanks to my heterosexual parents who sacrificed their freedom and happiness, enduring the agony of childbirth, and the cost of feeding, housing and educating me, and not forcing me to marry someone for whom I feel neither love nor attraction, merely because they happen to have a gender opposite to mine.

      Your argument is typical of the straw man, where just because we homosexuals want fair treatment, you put words into our mouths and accuse us of wanting to abolish hetereosexuality, marriage and all the rest of the things that put us on the planet. We want nothing of the sort. Why don't you stop yelling, and start listening?

      • Posted By: Motorinstructor @ 12/06/2008 3:47:02 PM

        dwmusic, on the contrary, having children is a great privelege. God commanded us to "be fruitful and multiply". Over the past thirty years, the native populations of western nations has actually decreased. Immigrants from other countries had to come to Europe, Canada and the US to keep the economy going. You have it all wrong! We are not doing a service to the world by making ourselves extinct.

        • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/06/2008 4:13:53 PM

          Motorinstructor It would be nice if all heterosexual parents thought as you do that having children is a privilege, but sadly huge numbers do not, many having children by accident, and many simply abandoning them.

          There is no legal obstacle currently in place that can prevent heterosexuals exercising their right to have children, no matter how entirely unsuitable they may be. Most straights do not abuse this right of course, but many do, by physically, sexually and emotionally abusing the very beings to whom they should devote all their love and care. Their heterosexuality did not prevent them from doing this.

          Homosexuality will not make you extinct, simply because you are not homosexual. How do you know that there is not some genetic reason for homosexuality? It may be simply to provide a workforce that can provide labour while you straighties bring up the babies, or it could be simply that our DNA has got itself into a tangle and is better not be propagated any further. Having said that, since straight people wanted to have the army and the wars that go with it all to yourselves by banning gays from service, who is going to provide a gene pool if you guys all go off to war and get yourselves killed?

          So far as God's edit to "be fruitful and multiply" in Genisis, you don't provide evidence of any counter-manding instruction, so I can only assume that you don't believe any population control is called for. Good luck with that. Speaking for myself, I am just glad that I am not going to burden the world with any more unwanted children. I would make a terrible parent anyway. I am surprised that you would want people with no interest in parenthood, and no romantic or physical attraction to an opposite sex partner, to introduce humans into the world within a loveless marriage.

          • Posted By: peoplelover @ 12/07/2008 3:45:17 AM

            Haha! Did you really say that it is possible genetics are providing straights with a workforce, or that the DNA is in a tangle and shouldn't be propogated? Do you realize you just called yourself a slave and retarded? That's just, awesome.

      • Posted By: ok4u @ 12/06/2008 4:51:39 PM

        I guess you're trying to make me feel bad, dw. But if you would point out where I accused you of wanting to abolish heterosexuality, marriage, etc, I'd be happy to retract it. And it would be helpful if you pointed out where I yelled at you. False accusations, emotional argument, do nothing to serve your cause.

  • Posted By: Minus5 @ 12/07/2008 3:44:08 AM

    So your saying it???s okay to be a homosexual and you???re saying you were born this way?
    What I don???t agree with is the moral values, which are slowly being eroded from our society.

    What about pedophiles? Are they born that way also? Society looks at them as being sick and disgusting. But if I look at it from your view, we should accept them also because they were born that way. In Roman times sleeping with young boys was fine and accepted, but our society today despises it.

    I don???t personally know any pedophiles, but from what I???ve read and seen they can???t help themselves- ???they were born that way???. I can???t see how looking at little kids naked could possibly turn someone on, just as I can???t see being turned on by another guy or being gay.

    So what am I saying? I???m saying American values are eroding and being homosexual should not be accepted. Although it is slowly becoming so, due to television celebrities (Ellen and Rosie O.) and more and more homosexual life styles being shown on TV. I guess the more and more we see them on TV, society will think it???s okay and say hey ???there not so bad???. I???m sure their not either, but that still doesn???t make it right!

    Our American society was founded on religious beliefs and values (just look at the dollar bill). And slowly but surely were going to find a way to change that and interrupt what our founding fathers were trying to say.

  • Posted By: Osbro @ 12/07/2008 3:41:04 AM

    God created Adem and Eve, not Adam and Steve. America better wake up real soon before its too late.

  • Posted By: gcce @ 12/07/2008 3:38:32 AM

    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
    That was Samuel Adams, founding father.

  • Posted By: Liberty2763 @ 12/07/2008 3:30:08 AM

    Even with a brother-in-law who is gay, I am against gay marriage, as is my wife. This issue is so ridiculous, and quite frankly pretty passé. It???s a little old. It is the California gay community latching on to and promoting an argument that the rest of the country is against, just like the South's argument for slavery - people holding onto an argument that was against the common good; time to let it go people. Secular Progressive agendas will destroy this country, just like an extreme conservative agenda would. This county was built on central values based in theology. I believe that if your gay you deserve all the rights entitled to marriage, but not name or a redefining of the meaning, For a group of people who understand the true value of tolerance and the lack thereof, you sure fail to see your own intolerance.

  • Posted By: HAD ENOUGH ! @ 12/07/2008 3:24:42 AM

    You FREAKS just can't stay out of our face with your BS . You haven't seen hate yet but you will . The MAJORITY has spoken , now crawl back into your hole , and SHUT TO HELL UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: thinkpositive @ 12/06/2008 3:51:54 AM

    tezmark... congratulations! I wish you much joy! I too am one of the 18,000!
    When Prop 8 passed, first,I was sad, then I was angry,now I see it for what it really is.... a pimple on the butt of progress! Just a blip. The Equality rain has left the station and is on it's way.
    Bradkus... the prop squeaked by and won by a very narrow margin, I wouldn't call that failing miserably.

    • Posted By: BradikusMaximus @ 12/07/2008 3:17:25 AM

      ThinkPositive - And look at all the places it failed........like I said, it failed miserably.

    • Posted By: Robert R @ 12/06/2008 9:23:06 PM

      You Homosexual deviants cannot make people accept your disgusting behavior with a phonied up homo vote or a dirty liberal judge overturning the true will of the people. I think homos are disgusting and I think a fresh turd stinks! No liberal will ever convince me otherwise in either case!

  • Posted By: NewMusicPromote @ 12/07/2008 3:13:14 AM

    I love how everyone brings the bible into this equasion when basically in several sections of the bible first its against the "bible rules" to eat shell fish (somewhere in the book of liviticous" then well also it was allowed to sell your child and also as well stone your wife, i think alot of things bible wise for back in the times were the way it was where the world was devided by church and state however things have changed, get out of the cave days and jump back into reality.

  • Posted By: NewMusicPromote @ 12/07/2008 3:08:13 AM

    Dont you think your being a bit over-rated or harsh? I would think as long as it does not effect you "personally" you should not have any issues on what demographics and or orientation the person is. Also as well its Dumb Rednecks like you who are cluttering up the world.


    Your Message
    Comment: You Homosexual deviants cannot make people accept your disgusting behavior with a phonied up homo vote or a dirty liberal judge overturning the true will of the people. I think homos are disgusting and I think a fresh turd stinks! No liberal will ever convince me otherwise in either case!

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 12/07/2008 1:42:26 AM

    I agree that you do not choose to be gay. In the Bible, it explains how the sins of the fathers are generationally passed down...these are called generational curses. When Jesus came to earth, died on the cross for our sins, and shattered the power of the devil by ascending into heaven...the power of the cross also broke the chains of all generational curses. Jesus gave us all power and all authority over all the enemy. No matter how bad of a sinner we think we have been, God still loves us and has a purpose for our lives. The power of the cross is for all who believe on His Name.

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 12/05/2008 8:57:06 PM

    Everyone deserves to have friends they love or care for.

    Marrying same sex partner is stupid.

    • Posted By: rodor @ 12/06/2008 2:36:45 AM

      If you think it's stupid then don't do it!!! but you have no right to try to deny someone elses right to marry!!!

      • Posted By: Robert R @ 12/06/2008 9:01:37 PM

        Everyone does have a right to marry - a natural mate. Nobody has a right to marry a same sex deviant!

  • Posted By: archmsu @ 12/05/2008 10:33:34 PM

    Isn't sad how Democracy is being challenged here. They lost the vote..................but they can't accept it. So they employ Nazi like tactics to get there way. Or they brainwash the youth to think it's ok, because they'll never get the vote from logical thinking adults. Which makes this all so ironic, because only in a true Democracy and open society (generally) like ours, could this people even live in the open and protest like this. Years ago they would be imprisoned or hanged for crimes against humanity. Plus, how does a man-man or a women-women couple reproduce?

    • Posted By: Derek72 @ 12/05/2008 10:45:00 PM

      So, I assume you'd like to keep this notion of majority rules for all civil rights? Shall we bring back slavery? Put Japanese Americans back in internment camps? If so, then it would be quite easy with just a simple majority vote! Stripping away people's rights via a majority vote is quite different than an outcome of a presidential election. Government officials have always been elected by majority vote. The granting (and taking away) of equal rights, however, have not! So, this whole argument about "why can't they just accept the will of the majority" is entirely idiotic.

      • Posted By: archmsu @ 12/05/2008 11:05:00 PM

        Don't pull that BS on me. Stop looking at the past through today's value system. If you really thing majority opinion is "idiotic," when and where were you born? 1939 Italy? Maybe your Old Money, and think some people shouldn't have the right to vote. They should be happy with scrubbing your floors and washing your car, right?

        • Posted By: Robert R @ 12/06/2008 8:55:48 PM

          It is an insult to hear the effort to impose filthy sexual deviancy on our society associated with the issues of civil rights for black Americans or the misguided efforts to protect the west coast from sabatoge after the Pearl Harbor sneak attack. Homosexuality involves willful, deliberate disgusting ajnd unnatural conduct.
          It is wrong to compare race with willful behavior. The deviates have the same rights as all Americans, but choose to be deviant and want a special substitute 'right' to be deviate in your face and indoctrinate your children with their disgusting alternative 'values'. The voters have said NO! Not in our businesses, public schools, or our homes!

        • Posted By: Derek72 @ 12/05/2008 11:21:43 PM

          People should have the right to vote -- but not on the civil rights of a minority! Go to law school and learn a bit about how the government works, and how it was specifically designed to protect the rights of minorities from the will of the majority -- ever hear of checks and balances? The Constitution has an equal protection provision in it, and as such, a court's duty is to strike down any law (including those passed by voters) that conflicts with it. So, you can vote on stripping the rights from a minority group as often as you like, but that is still not going to change the fact that California (and the Federal) Constitution prohibits such a recision of rights by a simple majority.

          • Posted By: archmsu @ 12/05/2008 11:47:07 PM

            Their civil right? What's next? Affirmative action because their a minority group? I voted for gay marriage! It got shot down in my state. I could care less if gays want to get married. "This is my Dad's third husband......" My problem is that they won't accept the fact that the majority of the human race doesn't agree with them and finds it all biologically mystifying . So they try to legitamize themselves by passing laws. Just what we need, more laws!

    • Posted By: seti2008 @ 12/05/2008 10:48:08 PM

      The 14th Amendment says that citizens of any state can not be denied the rights of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law. The rights are to be evaluated against the construction of equal protection of the law. Allowing a majority to vote to discriminate against a majority, regarding an issue that the courts had already defined as an unconstitutional denial of rights, is just wrong. Why couldn't heterosexuals accept the fact the the court had already rued on the constitutionality of the issue?

      • Posted By: archmsu @ 12/05/2008 11:16:17 PM

        How come no one answers the biological question? They just talk about legal issues, like some how we have evolved beyond being human beings and just deal with personal rights ( that sounds like Start Trek episode). Homsexuality is present in the animal kingdom, but its usually associated with the mating period when animals, during this period, would screw a hole in the ground because they're chemical make up is changed, aka Mother Nature.

        • Posted By: Robert R @ 12/06/2008 8:47:05 PM

          The majority of Americans do not think organized deviancy should be celebrated or empowered.
          They have said so in a democratic election. Now it's up to filthy left-wing judges to thwart the will of the majority by overturning our votes!

      • Posted By: seti2008 @ 12/05/2008 10:51:45 PM

        Egg fusion would also create children.

        • Posted By: archmsu @ 12/05/2008 11:08:01 PM

          Is that what the Nazis did with all those breeding experiments in the late '30s? You know........the perfect race of human.!

          • Posted By: seti2008 @ 12/05/2008 11:49:38 PM

            Egg fusion still creates diversity.

  • Posted By: OnlyCure=Truth @ 12/06/2008 4:25:08 PM

    As if it were not bad enough that the economy is in the dump, children are starving, men want to have sex with other men, and wemen want to have sex with other wemen and be accepted for it as normal. Wow im shocked an appauled the public is more supportive. I doubt that is true. Bogus poll if you ask me.

    • Posted By: shmaverick @ 12/06/2008 6:27:49 PM

      No one asked you. But if you honestly think the poll is bogus (and there seems to be precious little honest thought behind your comments), provide some evidence. There are sincere people on both sides of this issue, many of them posting thoughtfully here. Respond to something. Use your head. Don't just spout insults and rubbish--it reflects badly on your side of this issue.

      • Posted By: thinkotsdbox @ 12/06/2008 8:08:36 PM

        They are allowed to comment just like you are dim brain or the bill of rights would not apply and you would not be able to post.

  • Posted By: thinkotsdbox @ 12/06/2008 7:38:14 PM

    Excuse me, we had the only kind of poll that should count except for elitists who aren't democrats but Democrats...an election in three states about a month ago and this view was soundly defeated even in progressive" California.. So you can't wait to assert your spin on the facts even though the people decided otherwise, Statistics can be manipulated, If your rag was objective i might believe you "story"" but you have left that objectivity decades ago. read the studies. you all want a one party state i want to see 3rd and 4th viable parties.

    if you believe in democracy you abide by the results not say you know better barely a month later by manipulating a poll..

    Because of your reporting we will end up with totalitarianism in this country quite soon.. Remember Hitler was elected, by non thinking folks like your magazine.

  • Posted By: douggondogo @ 12/06/2008 11:47:56 AM

    Motorinstructor, if you study history, you will also see that empires like Prussia, where heterosexuality was widespread, also met their doom. My bet is that empires collapse anyway. Homosexuality is as old as the human race, and will probably still be around long after you and I are both dead and buried.

    • Posted By: Motorinstructor @ 12/06/2008 12:03:32 PM

      From what I understand, Prussia was part of Germany and Hitler dissolved the monarchy. Germany accepted an evil man as ruler and this led to their downfall. There are many evils that can destroy a civilization. Homosexuality is only one of many.

      • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/06/2008 2:00:02 PM

        Motorinstructor HItler was as you say a very evil man whose reign of tyranny fortunately did not in the end prevail. However, homosexuality has no comparabilty or connection with a reign of tyranny, except for one thing; tyrants like Hitler and Stalin et al, ruthlessly put down homosexuals, for example in the concentration camps forced them to wear pink triangles like the Jews yellow star of David. Homosexuals were subjected to cruel experimentation, one of which was to throw them in ice water and measure the amount of time it took for death to take place. Wherever you see tyranny, you also find ruthless persecution of homosexuals.

        There is no evidence that homosexuality by and of itself has any capability to destroy a civilisation, however there is abundant evidence that heterosexuality, if unchecked, can and will. The world population's explosive growth is caused by unbridled heterosexualit, which is in turn causing widespread poverty and starvation as heterosexuals keep on insisting on their right to make as many babies as they like, regardless of society's ability to feed and care for them.

        Homosexuals are seeking neither to elimiinate nor to undermine heterosexuality, nor are we capable of undermining heterosexual marriage. Heterosexuals are doing a perfectly brilliant job of undermining the institution of marriage all by yourselves. Almost 20% of U.S. marriages end in divorce. To suggest that we are responsible for this, or as Emperor Justinian believed, that we cause earthquakes connotes an ignorance so pervasive that one questions your education. All homosexuals want is to get what our taxes pay for, namely the same as you, and to be treated with fairness.

        I am certainly not in favour of ramming homosexuality down people's throats. I know what that feels like - I have had heterosexuality rammed down my throat since ever I can remember.

        • Posted By: Motorinstructor @ 12/06/2008 3:30:27 PM

          dwmusic, what Hitler did to homosexuals, Jews and Gypsies was truly abomininable and should never be repeated. Persecution of homosexuals is also wrong but giving them special rights and making them a protected class is not the way to deal with the issue. Teaching children to treat others as they would want to be treated is the answer. But a man and a man or a woman and a woman joining together is not a marriage and never will be a marriage. Can two oeople of the same sex live together? Yes. Very few will complain about that. Do we care about what they do in the privacy of their bedroom? Even if most don't agree with the practice or believe that it is right most will say "no, that is their business". But trying to legislate and make sodomy the norm is wrong, wrong, wrong. Live your lives peacefully and do not tamper with our laws.

          • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/06/2008 5:36:11 PM

            motorinstructor Sodomy as a sexual practice is how many people such as yourself choose to define homosexuals. We are being defined not as largely regular people with hopes, dreams, successes, disappointments, families and careers, but as people who merely have sex. While much of what you say does make sense, you still come back to the perennial straw man argument. The fact is, homosexuals do not want to legislate any particular sexual practice to be 'the norm', if by that you mean in a sociologically normative sense, yet when we ask for something sensible, such as the right to love and relate sexually to a partner of our own choosing without being discriminated against, you keep trying to sneak in the suggestion that we're asking for something more - the normalising of anal sex. This is just rubbish. Many homosexuals don't even practice sodomy, and this may suprise you, many heterosexuals do practise it, oftentimes within the confines of matrimony.

            I have not had sex with anyone in 15 years, but I am still as much a homosexual as when I was 15 and if one day I should meet the man of my dreams, I may wish to solemnise my relationship with him. Whether this be called marriage, or some other name, I certainly do not want to find a lack of legal protection preventing me from automatically inheriting his estate, or he mine, nor any of the host of other benefits such as superannuation, sick leave, visitation rights, that go with a legally recognised committed relationship.

  • Posted By: ReduceReuseRecycle @ 12/06/2008 4:45:19 PM

    In a country that pretends to separate church and state, it's strange how the strongest argument about legalizing gay marriage for a small fraction of the population that belongs to our country's unofficial 'national religion'. That's why it says in 'God we Trust' on our currency and not Allah, the Creator, Jehovah, Zeus, Thor, Coyote.. - it's convenient they picked the Christian name for the god they worship and claim that it's a generic term that all religions and non-religions should embrace. It wasn't even in the Pledge of Allegiance until someone added it in the 1950's I believe. I'm pretty sure gays would actually value marriage more than it's valued now in this country - which isn't much. Can you say 'divorce rate'?

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