A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: BradikusMaximus @ 12/06/2008 3:48:33 AM

    Tobucks.....I do not claim to be religious (sometimes I beleive, and sometimes I don't). But to say that the people that believe in a religion are few,.......that is pure ignorance.

  • Posted By: Docdaddy @ 12/06/2008 3:44:02 AM

    You are so wrong and deceived lady. The people have spoken and voted on those issues. Its a done deal, you're just pissed that the vote count was not in favor of the gay population. Get over it. This country is still a conservative and God-fearing country just like our founding fathers meant for it to be. Take your liberal media falsehoods and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

  • Posted By: Docdaddy @ 12/06/2008 3:43:00 AM

    You are so wrong and deceived lady. The people have spoken and voted on those issues. Its a done deal, you're just pissed that the vote count was not in favor of the gay population. Get over it. This country is still a conservative and God-fearing country just like our founding fathers meant for it to be. Take your liberal media falsehoods and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

  • Posted By: Tobucks @ 12/06/2008 3:38:47 AM

    I can't believe people wanting to inflict their will upon others when there???s no valid reason. I've heard reference as to God defining marriage as being between one man and one woman as it is a religious requirement.

    Funny, but my (female) wife and I (a man) got married in Reno after a stop at city hall for the license then off to the justice of the piece. Indeed we got married and indeed it had nothing to do with religion. When in heck will the few complaining ever get it through their head the majority of humans don't need nor want their God nor any thing relating to such. Hate to hurt your mother's feelings, but that's the way it is.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 12/06/2008 3:37:27 AM

    Ah,but do not Americans,[such as Mormons for one],also have the right to have freedom from assault and battery,terrorism,arson,intimidation,and other less salutory aspects of alleged gay ''tolerance''? ''Demanding''rights under these devices is not ''justice''. It is jackboot thuggery and as such has no place in the debate or the fabric of this nation.

  • Posted By: Karinad @ 12/06/2008 3:37:25 AM

    Read this from wikipedia:
    ..... " Propaganda is the dissemination of information aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.

    Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist.
    ???Garth S. Jowett and Victoria O'Donnell, Propaganda and Persuasion

    This is what is going on with the public campaigns of homosexual rights, specially that new ad.
    Propaganda, no facts

  • Posted By: Ringbearer @ 12/06/2008 3:37:08 AM

    www.civillywedd.com looks forward to the day when people, LGBT or Straight can do just that, civilly_wed each other, if so desired.

  • Posted By: BradikusMaximus @ 12/06/2008 3:31:54 AM

    Tezmark.....what does being gay have to do with religion? - Nothing. Anyway, I am not gay, but I could not care less if gay people are allowed to marry. However, I have noticed that the gay marriage issue, along with many other "contriversial" issues are always reported by the media to have a "growing support", but when a vote is actually cast on the subject, it fails miserably. Is it that the vast majority of people lie in polls, or is it that the media lies about or skews the polls. My money would be on the latter. Just my opinion.

  • Posted By: tezmark @ 12/06/2008 3:20:17 AM

    As a gay, tax-paying American all I want is freedom FROM religion. I don't need anyone's acceptance or approval to live my life. I certainly don't need a priest or reverend nor nor a guru nor church nor a god. Isn't that my right and freedom to not give a rat's ass what's in the bible? I simply want the same freedoms and responsibilities as heterosexual, tax-paying Americans. I'm 50-years-old, I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but I care deeply that I have the SAME rights as the rest society. I married my partner in June in San Francisco City Hall, now I'm DEMANDING the rest of the rights that come with marriage in the US.

  • Posted By: sloppyjo @ 12/06/2008 2:58:26 AM

    As a Canadian, same sex marriage has been legal here since 2005. Interestingly the world has not shifted on its axis, and there is very little conversation on the subject. I checked on Google before making this comment, but on 3 different occasions, with 3 different Prime Ministers, this has been debated in the House of Parliament, and the bill which made same sex marriage legal, has been affirmed. If Church and State are truly separate, then there should be no objection to same sex marriage.

  • Posted By: Dunhill Hilton @ 12/06/2008 2:55:34 AM

    This has nothing to do with attitute or hate. This has to do with LIFE !
    Which apparently you know nothing about. Go LEARN !!

  • Posted By: Karinad @ 12/06/2008 2:54:34 AM

    The point is that we have so much propaganda that FACTS ARE FORGOTTEN.
    You can not compare things that are not equal.
    You can not compare the union of a man of a woman to that of a homosexual couple, because they ARE NOT EQUAL TO COMPARE.
    The main fact being the biological factor, men and woman's bodies are made to fit together. Men and Men are not. Biologically, it is not a "social construction out of an oppressing patriarchal society" or an idea of a religious zealot.
    This is simply biology. If you started smelling from your eyes, or seeing trough your ears, we immediately assume something is not working right with that organ. If a penis does not like, but rejects a vagina, the purpose it was made for, why saying that something is wrong with that organ is a moral judgment instead of A BIOLOGICAL FACT?
    It is biologically, abnormal behavior. But this can not be mentioned at all. Propaganda is telling us it is normal, and seeing like it is, is the abnormality!
    Second, if from there we say we are not simply biology, but also emotions and feelings, to change laws and a legal system based on them, open many questions.
    Why, for example, ban a brother and a sister from marrying, if they feel like it, if they truly love each other, who are we to judge their love? It is their CHOICE.
    And by the way, Who are we to judge any other matter of the law, any other behavior? (who says you can not kill?).
    They want to change fundamentals of the law without any legal scholar debate, any legal philosophy behind it, just propaganda.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 12/06/2008 2:52:31 AM

    This is as may be. [NEWSWEAK,being a liberal creature,is merely a mouthpiece here and will obviously represent a partisan stance on this subject]. This said,I found it odd,that those who are ignorant of the Judaic-Christian Bible showed people that they were ignorant [or intolerant] using the Judaic-Christian Bible.

    To elaborate:

    The new skit play with Jack Black as the Jesus centerpiece that includes a small galaxy of Hollywood celebrities including gays and lesbians uses the Bible to show that Christians err in opposing gay marriage. Black,as Jesus, warps in as if beamed from the USS ENTERPRISE to show the ''fundies''[ led by a Mr.Reilly] the error of their ways by utilizing Biblical prohibitions against ''eating shellfish'' and dealing with certain others of what are known as Mosaic Law.

    One problem Jack. The prohibitions you describe in the video are Levitican and apply to Jews only. Not gentile Christians of whom only 10 are applied,none of them,Levitican. Jack goes through a ''Jesus also said''. Very well. This is ''also''what Jesus said[as we are applying this to the Christians that are the targets of this video].

    'For in vain do you worship me,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men''.[Matthew 15:09]

    Is gay marriage,speaking from the Christian viewpoint displayed in the Black video and the 'H8ers'',a commandment of ''men'', or ''God''?

    pro-gay critics avow that Jesus does not speak of ''homosexuality''. But he does speak,quite specifically,of marriage,and who will be its constituants. In this place does the debate lie.

    ''Have you not read? That HE,who made them, made them male and female. And for this cause,man shall leave mother and father and will cleave to woman and they two once twain,shall now be one.Therefore, what God has joined together,let no man put asunder ''[KJB,NAS,et al Matthew 19,Mark 10]. The ''HE'' is God. In Genesis 1,God makes this precise same marriage commandment. Thus, even if one disdain Christians,the Bible,or even Jews,how is it that the same passage ,written thousands of years apart in differing languages,contains the same proscriptions that never allow such marriage as between anyone but a ''male'' and a ''female''? Even an atheist anthropologist would have a tough time explaining this.

    This is not a ''bible thumping'' tack. It is what the Bible of the Christians and the Jews specifically lays out in plain language,attributed directly to The Christ and to God Himself. Gays err in placing Judaic Law upon gentile Christians and therefore,''know not what they speak''.

  • Posted By: BROKEN_IMMORTAL @ 12/06/2008 2:31:56 AM

    mfsam2 , what you speak is such ignorance. I am gay and proud of it. I love my other half with all my love. How can you say two men or two woman cannot love one another? Such ignorance in the words you speak. Yes, there are people of all walk in life that are good and bad. Yes there are evi gay people and yes there is evil religious people. Value systems? Look at the world, look at America................. White people took this land from the native americans, America invades and starts war with other countries for the sole purpose to stay in power. America isn't as great and good as you think it is. Open your eyes to reality. Do you really think the monetary system is what GOD wan'ts for us?? D o you think its ok for you to live the AMERICAN DREAM? whie people such as in Africa are dying from AIDS and living in such misery? The most corrupt people in this world are the financial and religious institutions. Realty and truth will come in 2012, not the way religious christians portray it as "jesus" coming back. 2012 will bring change, knowledge and empowerment that has been kept from people so that they can be controlled by the few wealthy in the world. So please don't blame this on gays and lesbians. like i said there are good and bad people in every type of people it being white, black, gay, straight or whatever. Only value system we must change is the materialistic world we live in, Monetary system is the cause for al the wars, poverty, crimes and other related behaviors because it makes us greedy. I ask for you to look into the VENUS PROJECT. The only way humanity will survive is to work as one, put our differences aside. OPEN YOUR EYES! RELIGION, MONEY, MATERIALISM IS THE REASON WHY THIS WORLD IS SO F****'D UP! Love is love, and i know i love my other half. I've known i was gay since i was 5 years old, i am 23 now. I know whom ever god, he or she or it loves me for who i am. I do good deeds in this world and i know i will go to a better place once i live the physical world.

    here is a prayer i read every night before i go to bed. I am not apart of any religion institution and don't believe in jesus. I am spiritual and believe in a higher power.




    • Posted By: thedon @ 12/06/2008 2:50:07 AM

      What does that mean? You don't believe in Jesus? If you don't believe Jesus existed then you would be at odds with basically every respected historian. You know something they don't know???

  • Posted By: ReduceReuseRecycle @ 12/06/2008 2:48:19 AM

    "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." -- Yoda 2:17

  • Posted By: BROKEN_IMMORTAL @ 12/06/2008 2:41:23 AM

    your attitude makes me sick. So much hate.

  • Posted By: Dunhill Hilton @ 12/06/2008 2:38:33 AM

    There are a million and one reasons why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married.
    Just the thought of writing this gets me f...... sick !!!!

  • Posted By: Duges @ 12/06/2008 2:09:44 AM

    I voted yes on Prop 8. Not because I hate homosexuals, but because I think the domestic partnership laws should be strengthened. I do not feel that marriage should be redifined. What I don't appreciate are the vile editorials, letters, protests, and name calling simply because I voted my conscience. If you want to change my mind, stop the name calling and treat my view respectfully. I'm still struggling with this issue.

    • Posted By: shmaverick @ 12/06/2008 2:36:32 AM

      Duges, your thoughtful post is appreciated. Some things you might consider: Domestic partnerships are recognized in very few states, and in many states that do recognize them, they don't have the force of law--institutions and organizations can opt out of recognizing them, according to their whim. In NJ, which passed a domestic partners law in 2004, there's the case of Lt. Laurel Hester, a cop whose domestic partner was denied spousal benefits as Lt. Hester lay dying of cancer. It took a public protest and a deathbed appeal to get the Ocean County Freeholders to reverse their decision to deny her pension to Hester's partner. Hester's partner has no legal claim to those benefits--they can be denied to every NJ couple in the same position, and in other states as well. Gay people don't simply want to be able to call themselves married, to feel good about their relationships. They know that domestic partnerships don't afford any meaningful legal protections compared with marriage, which does have the force of law.

      A short summary of Lt. Hester's battle in Wikipedia:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Hester

  • Posted By: BROKEN_IMMORTAL @ 12/06/2008 2:34:20 AM

    I/We humbly ask for divine protection to protect us on all levels. We ask for the heavenly rays to be poured upon us in abundance.

    I/We command the presence of the angelic realms and for Metatron and Michael to stand at the head.

    May the Christ light, the Buddha light, the Mahatma Energy, the holy spirit, the reiki energy, the light of all Archangelic beings and all Ascended Masters permanently encase US with their love?????????..

    We ask the mahatma energy to integrate with every aspect of our being. We also ask the mahatma energy to integrate with every aspect of mother earth and all lifeforms according to the highest will of GodMay I be purified and Blessed upon every level of my being, in the work I do and be given more and more divine power as each day goes by and more and more protection as my healing progresses and expands.
    May I radiate the heavenly rays wherever I go and help all who come across my path. Dear beloved God Presence, I AM (Monad) presence, Soul Presence, The Mahatma Energy, the collective consciousness of the Ascended Masters, In the name of the God within us, we ask that this Divine meditative prayer, be multiplied and manifested and used to assist all lifeforms on this planet and throughout the universe. We accept it done according to the highest Will of God.

  • Posted By: mfsam2 @ 12/06/2008 2:00:02 AM

    Gay marriage is wrong. One of the purposes of marriage (yes, according to the Bible) is to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. Two men nor two women can do that with each other. If you attempt to put two plugs or two sockets together and get electricity, you get nothing. Gay marriage is a perversion of love. Reality says a man nor a woman would even know they were man and woman were it not written in the Bible. How can we selectively decide to accept thou shall not kill, but decide that thou shall not lay with a man as with a woman (and vice-versa) to be unacceptable? History lets us know that decadence was a major downfall of many great civilizations...and will likely be part of the downfall of the United States--if we as a nation do not change. Our value system has basically become self-gratification without regard to the consequences.

    • Posted By: shmaverick @ 12/06/2008 2:18:40 AM

      My wife and I are childless by mutual choice. If marriage is only about reproduction, should my wife and I be denied marriage? And what about older couples beyond childbearing years? Or infertile couples? Should they be denied marriage too? I find it insulting, actually, that religious conservatives like yourself are trying to dictate to me--and everyone else--what my marriage is about. That's not YOUR decision. You get to decide what YOUR marriage is for, and my wife and I get to decide what ours is for, and we don't have to agree. Either marriage is reduced to childbearing, and should be denied to every couple who can't or won't reproduce, or marriage is about something else: the legal protection of the state, including the rights of spousal inheritance, visitation in the hospital, and tax benefits. If marriage is about anything more than childbearing, those legal protections should not be denied to same-sex couples.

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