A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: sheebe @ 12/06/2008 2:21:29 AM

    I voted yes on Prop 8. My son who is gay told me not to vote No. He told me that it would cause backlash and more predjudice in people. He feels domestic partnership is just as good. He feels that Gays should not want to interfere in a basis of what our Country was formed on. Some Gays are not by choice. I knew my son was gay when he was a baby. I wasn't surprised when I learned he was gay. I loved him even more. But, I didn't want him to think I pitied him either. He is the same as any other man. And vice versa. I am very proud of him. After the way the Gays acted when they lost. Has made others that voted No. Say that if they turn this again. They will be mad and Vote yes. Or how ever they want to trick us on the ballots again. It is a shame.

  • Posted By: MBUSDTeacher @ 12/06/2008 2:21:14 AM

    Here's some pretty compelling evidence that proves homosexuality is natural, i.e., it occurs in nature.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
    By the way, homosexuality is not a disorder. The APA stopped classifying homosexuality as a disorder over three decades ago.

  • Posted By: matos @ 12/06/2008 2:14:41 AM

    Can someone tell me if being gay has something to do with generic disorder or choice or something else?and please give me some serious enswers from both sides and dont give me that bible enswer from one side and love answer from the other , we all know some relationships are based purely on sex drive and some of us don't belive in bible,
    i have a hard time understanding why would nature create male and female and then male would have sex with male like it happens in humans and animals,
    please, i want to hear from people with scientific background
    thank you

  • Posted By: Duges @ 12/06/2008 2:06:38 AM

    I voted for Prop 8 in California. Not because I hate homosexuals, but because I feel that the domestic partnership laws should be strengthened instead of redefining marriage. What I don't appreciate are the editorials, letters to the editor, protests, and name calling simply because I voted my conscience. Personally, I'm still struggling with this concept. Name calling and protesting the Mormon Church, or anyone else, will not change my mind.

  • Posted By: ReduceReuseRecycle @ 12/06/2008 1:58:26 AM

    Do people really think there is a God(s) that picks and chooses which country or countries to make successful? People seem to think just because the US is (extremely briefly by historical means) the most powerful nation on Earth it's because of a God? The empires of Rome, Greece, Egypt, China, Babylon etc all lasted MUCH longer than the US and one could say their behaviors were much less 'godlike' since there was in fact no single god in existence. Belief in a single God is a relatively new phenomenon in terms of human history. To say that your religion prohibits others from behaving in a way that to them is natural and consenting and for them, the way to make them and those around them happy and fulfilled is just plain selfish.

    • Posted By: shmaverick @ 12/06/2008 2:06:36 AM

      Actually, all those long-lasting ans successful empires you mentioned were pagan. Seems like God, and particularly the God envisioned by many Christians (one idolatrously similar to their own likeness implicitly white, male, heterosexual, and Republican) has nothing to do with it.

  • Posted By: reya1333 @ 12/06/2008 2:03:18 AM

    The civil and legal rights you are accorded because you have a legal partner (and just because you're married in a church doesn't mean you are legally married if you don't fill out the civil paperwork) should never have been confused with whatever connection your religious ceremony accords your union. All people who have been married in a church and have filed and had signed the appropriate civil documents have civil unions. If you go to a religious establishment and they perform a 'marriage ceremony' you are married but may not have a civil union. Homosexuals should be permitted to have civil unions and if they attend a religious institution that will permform a marriage ceremony, then they will be married - but it should be the same thing for heterosexuals. My husband and i had a civil ceremony 6 months before the wedding because we were buying a house and it just made it easier, but we considered the church ceremony our wedding and therefore our wedding date - even though our civil certificate stated 6 months earlier. It's separation of church and state folks - homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else the same way black people deserved the same rights as everyone else (and don't even start on homosexuality being a choice - you don't don't choose to live your life being abused and looked down on, aside from the scientific evidence, but most close minded people wouldn't take that into account)

  • Posted By: MBUSDTeacher @ 12/06/2008 12:56:12 AM

    I'm personally very happy to see comments like those of STANDUPFORTRUTH, Americana, mtaylorgo, and bsdad3 posted here. The unbridled hate and disdain toward gays seen in these messages only helps bring reasonable Americans who are undecided or not 100% comfortable with gay marriage to our side; they just don't want to be associated with this kind of hate. Please keep up the good work.

    • Posted By: STANDUPFORTRUTH @ 12/06/2008 1:02:38 AM

      QUIT TRYING TO TURN MARRAIGE INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT...........
      HUSBAND (MAN) + WIFE (WOMAN)= MARRAIGE...............

      • Posted By: NoteFromSELF @ 12/06/2008 2:01:18 AM

        EVENTUALLY, gay marriage will be a reality in the United States.

      • Posted By: MBUSDTeacher @ 12/06/2008 1:44:09 AM

        Dude, is your Caps Lock key broken? You may want to invest in a new keyboard.

  • Posted By: Faithful Harp @ 12/06/2008 1:49:14 AM

    Love is about desiring the best for the other. Homosexual sexual relationships can never do that; therefore they are not about love. Even heterosexuals who choose to have sex outside of marriage are not truly practicing real love. That's just the basic facts. As to sharing households but not having sexual relations I don't think most of us have a problem with that at all. Lots of people share households who like each other as dear friends. Marriage, on the other hand, is a very specific thing. It is not possible to marry someone of the same sex. It is not possible for an apple to be an orange. It is not possible for a dog to be a cat. It has nothing to do with what one "feels" or 'desires"; it has to do with reality. Get over it, and find the good that can be done in life as chaste singles. Love each other as human to human, not as "love object to love object (sex object to sex object). While I'm on the subject---it is also true that heterosexuals who marry, divorce, remarry, divorce, etc. are also NOT practicing true marriage. A true marriage cannot be broken except by death; therefore they are practicing serial polygamy (more than one spouse, just doing it one at a time). It would be nice if everyone learned the difference between freedom and license; between love and lust.

    • Posted By: scytherius @ 12/06/2008 1:50:40 AM

      Have you considered therapy for your ignorance?

      • Posted By: allan4jesus @ 12/06/2008 1:59:58 AM

        thank you and God Bless you!!

    • Posted By: shmaverick @ 12/06/2008 1:59:06 AM

      Faithful Harp, do you want your government assessing who's in a "real" marriage and who's not? You've just said that plenty of people whom the state recognizes as married aren't practicing "true marriage." Should the state constitution allow the government to keep those people from getting married? No, the state doesn't pass judgment on who is married in their hearts, and who is not--they are not competent to assess that--and it appears, you are not either. The state provides legal protections to two individuals who consent to be married: visitation rights in the hospital, inheritance rights, tax benefits, and other protections. The state should apply these protections to ALL consenting couples, not just straight ones.

  • Posted By: Philissa @ 12/06/2008 1:59:54 AM

    Every person has a right to choose a mate as long as the other party is a concerting adult. This religious mambo-jambo has always sought to subjugate e.g slavery, the crusades, colonialism, etc. I say yes to same sex marriage.

  • Posted By: freedom_4_me_2 @ 12/06/2008 1:07:57 AM

    Great ...another person begging for the rapture. Separate Church and State. All Men (and Women) are created equal. So are all Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Atheists. This is America. I don't want to interfere with your religious rights or get married in your church, so please do not deny me my civil rights as an American citizen. Enjoy your God and your religion, but thank you for not shoving your theocracy down my throat.

  • Posted By: DannyJumper @ 12/06/2008 1:57:02 AM

    What phony baloney! In sex ed class, the teacher will be asked, "What's gay?" or "What's homosexual?" The teacher will reply, "That's when a person has romantic feelings for a person of the same gender." Class will move on. Is the religious right seriously telling us their children are so weak-minded that when they hear that statement their children will immediately become gay and lesbian? We let such parents breed?

  • Posted By: jidlo @ 12/06/2008 1:43:35 AM

    President elect Obama wants to make an everlasting impression on american society He will ban Gay marriage all together this country was founded on Christianity and gay is an abomination to GOD actually President Bush should make it against the law before he leaves office this is immoral and disgusting. and sick and anyone who agrees with it is sick also.

  • Posted By: NoteFromSELF @ 12/06/2008 1:43:19 AM

    SessionsGB, whether gays and lesbians can marry or not doesn't change the maleness/femaless role model issue that you raise as we can still procreate without marriage. You can't legislate that we can't.

    Datax, thank you for your comment. Like you, I'm sure, I don't want my church telling me how to vote nor do I want my government telling me how to worship or what my morals should be, as if many of our politicians could do that with a straight (no pun intended) face anyway.

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 12/06/2008 1:35:06 AM

    Just call it "civil marriage" and lets move on to serious problems like jobs.

    • Posted By: freedom_4_me_2 @ 12/06/2008 1:41:53 AM

      Thank you MChieco. That is exactly the answer.....and yes.....it will take the honest hard work and effort of ALL Americans to solve the serious problems we face as a nation and a planet.

  • Posted By: freedom_4_me_2 @ 12/06/2008 1:33:17 AM

    If you want a Christian theocracy, please study up on how they do it in Iran (the Islamic variety) and go find a place to found a new country. This is the United States of America and I believe we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Please keep your thocracy out of the public square.

  • Posted By: chrisbrick31 @ 12/06/2008 1:23:08 AM

    themtb2007 is a retard. Are you for real???? Fat schools??? Fat is a choice of eating healthy or eating McDonalds 24/7. Is being gay the same thing??? Hell no. It is a genetic factor that can't be controlled and changed. Why not allow everyone now matter the color, religion, sex, sex orientation, etc, do whatever they want with marriage. If they want to be miserable like straights wind up being after years of martial "bliss"- let them who does it hurt in the end anyway????

  • Posted By: DAN99 @ 12/06/2008 1:18:08 AM

    Where was this survey held, West LA, San Fransisco, Ashland Oregon?? Comparing the one issue that affects gays to the mountain of issues that affected black Americans truly shows how little gays know about segregation. Blacks lived a horrible existence and it was wrong on every level. Gays can have civil unions, they simply can't call it marriage because it's NOT marriage. Other than that they can do anything they please.

  • Posted By: bsdad3 @ 12/06/2008 12:23:55 AM

    Just because the public is more tolerent to it does not make it morally correct. What makes it even worse is when the couple tries to raise children in that environment. Anyone who believes it is alright should have thier home plumbed with all female connections or all male connections. Maybe if they believe hard enough, they can fool themselves that thier pipes wont leak

    • Posted By: Datax @ 12/06/2008 1:17:39 AM

      The last time I checked, humans weren't made out of pipes. The home plumbing argument is a total red herring to what this issue is about. The question is: is it moral for a majority to deny a minority group's rights? If a majority of voters ruled that heterosexual couples should not be able to marry, would that be acceptable? If a majority of voters ruled that all white people should not be able to marry anyone of another race, would that be acceptable? Should black people not be able to sit in the front of the bus? Does this proposition remind you of anything? Because to me it reminds me of the same racist, unequal, and discriminatory tactics that Americans have been using for years to justify punishing people who are different from them or that they don't understand. GROW UP AMERICA! Learn to get along with one another, and accept people for who they are, because it is not a person's fault that they are born gay or that they love another of the same sex. However, it is a person's fault if he decides to be hateful and harmful to people that he doesn't even know. Focus on your own family and stop trying to destroy someone else's!

  • Posted By: MBUSDTeacher @ 12/06/2008 1:08:45 AM

    I read an article recently that stated that it wasn't until 1996 that a simple majority of Americans (+50%) approved of interracial marriages. Although I'm sure that number has risen in the past 12 years, I am willing to bet that the substantial number of people who still disapprove of interracial marriages will almost invariably also disapprove of gay marriage. Now, getting them to admit this is another story!

    • Posted By: markeluther @ 12/06/2008 1:10:59 AM

      To the people making the comparisons gays being treated like blacks were in the 50's, get a life. Blacks were discriminated against due to centuries old doctrine and practices that expolited them for free labor and created the image that they were second class to whites. Gays are not refused civil rights. They can ride the same bus I ride. They can eat at the same restaurants I eat at. They can aspire to the same dreams and ambitions as I. They can go as far as their talent, ability and ambition will take them just as I can. They just cant get married and ruin a 6000 year old biblical law that says marriage is between a man and a woman. Boo Hoo! Stop making your lame comparisons to how blacks were treated and accept that marriage a sacred union under God between a man and a woman.

      • Posted By: MBUSDTeacher @ 12/06/2008 1:17:20 AM

        Well, you may feel this way now (although who knows how you really feel about this), but it wasn't until 1996 that most Americans felt that blacks had a right to marry the person of their choice, regardless of race. And guess what, as another reader pointed out, the arguments you're using against gay marriage are almost identical to the ones used against interracial marriage.

  • Posted By: uknando @ 12/06/2008 12:48:54 AM

    Who ever in their right mind would choose the Gay lifestyle? Not me but it just so happens that I am gay. It is not about Sex it is about companionship. I have a partner which because of our lifestyle status are being kept from living together, you see he is a British National so in the eyes of OUR Govenment I am not allowed to sponser him for citizenship. So again I ask who would choose this lifestyle when it proves that The Pursuit of Happiness, which is in our constitution is a blatant lie. Oh and where does it say "All men are created equal"?And for the last time I say who would choose to be treated as a Second Class Citizen in this day in age?

    • Posted By: ZappoDaClown @ 12/06/2008 12:53:40 AM

      The Pursuit of Happiness is the key...the PURSUIT, not the guarantee of it. Sometimes things in life don't go the way we want them to. Sometimes life really sucks. And sometimes God wants us to turn to Him instead of relying on our own understanding of what 'happiness' is.

      • Posted By: Datax @ 12/06/2008 1:12:08 AM

        Yeah, and sometimes systems fail on an airplane. Should the pilot just give up, and let all his passengers die? Maybe God will take the controls, and fly the airplane to a safe landing :) The point is, just because something is unjust or wrong is not a reason to give up and say oh...maybe God will handle it. I'm a Christian, and I don't believe that God should have to take up all his time fixing our injustices. After all, God helps those that help themselves.

      • Posted By: uknando @ 12/06/2008 1:02:12 AM

        So in other words I need to Leave the country that I Love in order to be happy. At least Britain Allows same sex couples to sponser eachother for citizenship, but I fail to see why I must give up my business, home and so many other things in order to start all over again in pursuing my happiness.

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