A Gay Marriage Surge

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  • Posted By: bdsleepy @ 12/08/2008 10:29:34 AM

    Better yet joint the military "don't ask, don't tell" policy. They need a few good men and women

  • Posted By: sickntired52 @ 12/07/2008 10:20:29 PM

    dwmusic: You are missing the point I am trying to make. To me, the word "marriage is exactly what this debate is all about. If homosexuals want to live together, fine. And if they happen to live in a state that will sanction their union, also fine. I have no problem with people excercising their free will. What I do have a problem with is when homosexuals try to portray themselves as victims who are being persecuted because they are being denied the right to marry. You say you greatly respect the institution of heterosexual marriage. You say you do not want to demean heterosexuals or heterosexuality. But by trying to push homosexual marriage on the rest of us, you are in fact demeaning heterosexuals and the sanctity of traditional marriage, whether you realize it or not.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/08/2008 9:53:25 AM

      No, what you have is a viewpoint that's twisted around. Gay men and women want YOU out of THEIR lives, not the other way around.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:11:11 AM

      "But by trying to push homosexual marriage on the rest of us, you are in fact demeaning heterosexuals and the sanctity of traditional marriage, whether you realize it or not."

      How?

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 10:36:58 PM

      sickntired52 I have to go now so will not be able to resond to any posts after this, and maybe for today we shall have to agree to disagree, but as a parting word let me say this:

      I am not pushing homosexual marriage on you as you allege. I only want not to be punished for being in a relationship with someone I love and care for deeply. No-one is saying you have to have a homosexual marriage for yourself. You are not homosexual, so for what possible reason would we advocate this?

      Finally, it is an affront to say as you have that my sexuality is something that is intrinsically demeaning. My sexuality is nothing of the sort. It is simply a fact of life, a part of who and what I am, but affects nobody else but me and any partner I may have. The sanctity of your marriage is in no way impacted by any relationship I may have. How can it be? We live in different parts of the world and we will never meet. I wish you well in your relationship, even though I know you don't respect mine or wish me well.

  • Posted By: ranny342 @ 12/07/2008 2:50:21 PM

    Sorry Newsweeks, this article does not stand up! The majority of voters already spoken and they said NO!! No poll or survey you can conduct can suggest otherwise!!!

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:20:37 AM

      The majority are not empowered to vote away the rights of a minority, because we are a constitutional republic, not an Athenian-style "pure" democracy.

  • Posted By: nagger one @ 12/07/2008 2:54:16 PM

    Just another atricle about queers. And once again it is either on the news, in the news paper, or on my home page. I voted against gay marriage because I'm sick of seeing it everywhere. Sure i'll tolerate the face that you want to publically flaunt your sexuality, but i'm not going to accept it, so keep it away from where I live.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:19:15 AM

      " Sure i'll tolerate the face that you want to publically flaunt your sexuality, but i'm not going to accept it, so keep it away from where I live."

      No.

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 3:14:42 PM

      Good thing you types are so justified in your ignorance.....we wouldnt have anything here to comment on!

  • Posted By: sickntired52 @ 12/07/2008 2:58:48 PM

    You degenerate queers need to get back in the closet and quit ruining my life.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:18:07 AM

      How are gays ruining your life?

      I mean, are you THAT obsessed with what other people do? Is your life that empty?

  • Posted By: JJames2121 @ 12/07/2008 3:05:05 PM

    That story is a bunch of bull!! It was written to make people with morals feel they are being outnumbered by the gay community and to just give up. The gays don't want "EQUAL RIGHTS" they want "SPECIAL RIGHTS" which is why they think they are above the law in California. If they wanted "Equal rights" they would accept majority vote, and the law like all other Americans. Homosexuals should stay in the closet where they belong. I do not want my precious little girl to ever witness their sick perversions.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:17:00 AM

      "The gays don't want "EQUAL RIGHTS" they want "SPECIAL RIGHTS" "

      Which special rights?

    • Posted By: mcgun @ 12/07/2008 3:09:07 PM

      I hope your precious little girl doenst turn out a lesbian!

      • Posted By: worldlove @ 12/07/2008 3:21:56 PM

        Im glad that you are spreading hate to your child. Did the slaves get "SPECIAL RIGHTS" when they were given freedom or were African Americans given "SPECIAL RIGHTS" when they got equality. No! They got equal rights. Gay's have every right to express themselves and come out of "the closet" they are people and human. They are asking and deserve the rights of every American. They pay taxes so your daughter can go to school and have an education. Learn to LOVE

  • Posted By: sickntired52 @ 12/07/2008 6:46:51 PM

    Thank God I live in a state where homosexual marriage will NEVER, EVER be recognized. To all the people who support changing the normal, traditional definition of marriage which is between one man and one woman I have one question, Why don't you stop calling it "Gay Marriage". There is nothing gay about it. Call it what it really is - "Deviant Marriage" You may not like that term and you may accuse me of spreading hate, but no one can deny that homosexual marriage is a deviation from the norm and therefore deviant marriage seems a more appropriate label.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:14:52 AM

      "Thank God I live in a state where homosexual marriage will NEVER, EVER be recognized."

      Never say never. This will be a federal issue, eventually, argued as equal protection under law.

      If the federal courts agree with the argument, your state WILL recognize gay marriage.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 7:07:47 PM

      sickntired52 'Deviant' in your vocabulary is obviously a loaded word. Like so many people who purport to be Christians, you want everyone to be exactly the same and try to bully Mother Nature into pigeonholing everybody.

      Deviating from the 'norm' is something you consider to be terrible. Now let me ask you, what makes a Norm the only valid state of being? And why is something that is not the Norm, ipso facto bad? First let's establish what a Norm is - I assume you will agree it means 'the behaviour or accepted practice of the majority'. But why is only the majority worthy of consideration? Doesn't anyone else get a look in, in your perfect world? Geniuses are not in the majority, nor are red haired people, neither are left handed people, but I am sure you won't be calling them deviants any time soon, especially if the red haired left handed genius also happens to be a 6 foot prize fighter towering over you.

      Let's face it, you're only picking on us because we are a minority and our difference allows you to feel superior, congratulating yourself on a daily basis for having been born a heterosexual. The rest of us have to earn our accolades by working hard and being upright citizens. It doesn't matter how many charities we give to, how much tax we remit into the exchequer to pay for the education of your kids, you will find some reason to misinterpret our good deeds and paint us in a bad light. A close Jewish friend of mine was imprisoned in the Auschwitz concentration camp for being 'a Jew' and was made to wear the yellow star. Her life was saved by a young man imprisoned for being a homosexual who was forced to wear a pink triangle to show he too was a deviant. He shared his meagre food rations with her, which saved her life. He was eventually shot, but she left the camp when it was liberated by the Russians in 1945, aged only 15. She never forgot the gay man's kindness and eventually became an ardent advocate for gay rights as a result. But if you were in the war, and your life was saved by a homosexual, you would still call him a deviant. That is the way you think.

    • Posted By: Sepulchre @ 12/07/2008 6:54:25 PM

      You proved my point.

  • Posted By: JKennedyMD @ 12/07/2008 8:54:56 PM

    No matter what people think or what polls may say - God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. To condone an unnatural relationship (same sex sex) through legimitizing homosexual marriage is abhorent to Godly principles. We are asking for God's judgement, not only in this but in the other ways we misuse God's gift of sexuality.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/08/2008 9:12:25 AM

      Unfortunately, God doesn't hold a seat in the legislature or the judicial branch.

  • Posted By: j41jupiter @ 12/08/2008 9:06:26 AM

    Barack Obama doesn't care about gay people.

  • Posted By: reader814 @ 12/08/2008 6:20:02 AM

    Oops, sorry, originally wrote should not be allowed, then switched to banned and forgot to change the rest of my sentence. Just because you don't support gay marriage does mean that legally, it should be banned.

  • Posted By: reader814 @ 12/08/2008 6:18:18 AM

    It doesn't really matter if the people are in favor of gay marriage or not. Proposition 8 should not have been on the ballot - it is NOT up to the people to make the laws of this country. And legally, there is no reason for gays not to be able to marry - remember, marriage is not about religion. Marriage is a government institution, and the government and religion are supposed to be separate - many people forget that. However, it doesn't matter that not all people support gay marriage. Did all people support a woman's right to vote? Or banning slavery in the U.S.? No, and they were wrong then, and the people who oppose gay marriage are wrong now. Just because you don't support it doesn't mean that legally, it should not be banned.

  • Posted By: Carianne @ 12/05/2008 8:45:39 PM

    Put me on the list with ed. I support gay marriage and I don't know anybody who is against it. Including my republican friends.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 12/08/2008 3:54:29 AM

      Your new President is against it.

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 12/05/2008 8:59:59 PM

      Perhaps you need to get out of the closet your in and take off the blinders.

      • Posted By: anelder @ 12/05/2008 10:06:49 PM

        tired and old, as am I. But it appears age has not dealt you much of the wisdom one would hope for.
        To immediately accuse someone of being in the closet, using this as a abusive statement, shows you have a bit of a journey yet. Best you and others like you remove yourself from the fray. Being one of those who do not throw stones is really the best stand to take.

  • Posted By: bpalmer60 @ 12/07/2008 3:09:22 PM

    I think that NewsWeek should read these comments and post the results as a Poll and Retract there artical about the Growing support of Gay Marriage, because like most I voted YES on 8 and i am getting sick of the subject, and the more the sore loosers object the madder I get.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 12/08/2008 3:40:28 AM

      And Prop 8 never would have passed had it not been for all those "Tolerant" liberals voting for it.

      Of those polled who voted for Obama for President (60% of those polled), 32% voted Yes and 68% voted No.
      CNN reported that of the approximately 224 African Americans polled, 70% (approximately 157) voted in favor of the measure. No other racial or ethnic group in the poll backed the measure by more than 53%, the figure for Latino support
      --CNN exit polls

  • Posted By: walther @ 12/06/2008 7:14:24 AM

    Unbelievable poll again. I would like to see the demographics of those polled. I would guess they concentrated on the SAN FRANCISCO area. This is just more lunatic left wing garbage that Newsweek is so proud of reporting. Say, Newsweek, how come all your "ACE" "journalists" end up on lunatic Keith Olbermann's show so often?

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/06/2008 9:56:40 AM

      No, you're just too arrogant to believe that there are millions and millions of people who don't think like you do and don't want any part of your hatreds.

      • Posted By: RRuin @ 12/06/2008 10:25:58 AM

        Not all people are bigots. Many actually understand that the right of two adults to marry is a civil right and should not be put up for a public vote so a bunch of bigots can dictate the civil rights of others.
        Would anyone stand for this if it was another group? If the Mormon church funded a drive that didn't allow
        blacks to marry whites would that be tolerated? Their bigotry towards gay Americans shouldn't be tolerated.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 12/08/2008 3:18:20 AM

          And by Bigots you mean all those Obama voters (blacks and latinos) that voted for Prop 8 as well right?

      • Posted By: g76monte @ 12/06/2008 10:26:11 AM

        ...unhappy with democracy??? MOVE somewhere else.

  • Posted By: knsav @ 12/07/2008 3:25:02 PM

    God may not dictate our government, because he lets us choose, but he does rule this universe. God was not made in our image, we were made in His, and that is righteousness, not homosexuality. How distorted perversion had taken the participants. Telling gays that marriage is wrong is love, not hate. It seems that the truth today hurts, but it is stiil truth. How bizzar we are having this conversation. Time is short, the door is being closed, don't keep standing in the door, get in, there is a smell of rain in the air.....

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 4:40:25 PM

      knsav I have carefully read the parts of the Bible that some Christians maintain condemn me as a homosexual man. Having done so, and studied numerous translations that are quite markedly different from each other in respect of homosexuality, I remain completely clear in my conscience that acting according to the sexual orientation that is completely normal and natural for me, towards another person of the same gender as myself, is a source of joy and fulfilment. That is up to me alone. You may wish to keep judging others, in defiance of Christ's admonition to do otherwise, but you have not convinced me that I am a bad person. You have swallowed hook line and sinker what your preacher told you about how evil all we homosexuals supposedly are without ever questioning who told him/her, and where they got it from beforehand. You cannot adduce one sexually specific statement about homosexuality from the original Greek and Hebrew texts, nor any statement by Jesus Christ condemning my sexuality, because there isn't any. The knowledge and understanding did not exist amongst the nomadic and largely illiterate and uneducated people of the day. The concept of an innate homosexual orientation was not codified until the nineteenth century.

  • Posted By: sickntired52 @ 12/07/2008 9:09:33 PM

    dwmusic: First of all, I don't consider deviation from the norm to be terrible, just deviant. And to answer your question of "What makes a norm the only valid state of being? Well, in the case of a normal marriage being between one man and one woman, how about thousands of years of tradition. Marriage between people of the same sex, even if it is tolerated in some places, has never been generally accepted as a viable alterative to traditional marriage between members of the opposite sex. And it never will be.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 9:45:53 PM

      sickntired52 The word 'marriage' seems to be the sticking point for most opponents, as has already been observed several times on this page, and I personally would be quite happy just to have the equality if the straighties are getting all uppity about the etymology. But that has not really been what most of this debate has been about. For most posters, it has been a chance to get on the soapbox and evangelise about something they know nothing about and belittle people whom they've never met and who never meant nor did them any harm in their lives.

      All you self appointed experts here, jawing on about homosexuality, why not ask the homosexuals themselves? Surely we know better than you what is best for us. We are the ones who have endured centuries of your persecution and repression, and only now do we finally have a shot at using our hard won freedom of speech to articulate. Thankfully a majority of heterosexuals are far less mean spirited than you, otherwise we would still languish in prisons for the crime of loving somebody.

      Yet again, you paint homosexuality as a choice, much like you go to a supermarket and choose a different brand of breakfast cereal. Homosexual marraige or Civil Union, or whatever you want to call it is not an 'alternative'. The only way I would choose the 'option' of a hetereosexual marriage would be at gunpoint. I am simply not interested in the opposite sex. You can't make me like something just because you like it.

      It may surprise you to know that I, and I am sure millions of homosexuals the world over, actually greatly revere and respect the institution of heterosexual marriage. For most of us, it was the fount of our birth. We do not seek to demean heterosexuals or heterosexuality, the way you demean us.

  • Posted By: JKennedyMD @ 12/07/2008 9:00:01 PM

    No matter what people may think or say in polls - God made Adam and Eve to love each other intimately and propagate the human race, not Adam and Steve nor Eve and Evelyn. To promulgate any other definition of mating, which includes fornication between single people and adultery outside married relationships, is to ask for God's judgement upon us. We're experiencing it now.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 9:31:46 PM

      JKennedyMD Interesting view point. Your belief is based on what someone told you, and what you read uncritically in a book. No other science or research comes into your stated rationale and I am sure the 'Steve' in your Adam and Steve cliché would be surprised to hear you think God didn't make him. But putting that aside, it is apparent that you regard marriage as a deed born out of duty and not out of love, notwithstanding your comment about Adam and Eve. You cannot order someone to love someone else, 'intimately'. Love is a piece of pure magic and it cannot be turned on and off like a tap. It saddens me to think you do not regard love as having any importance in a relationship for a homosexual. I wonder whether you are currently doing what you believe God wants for the homosexual, marrying someone you find repugnant, trying to have kids with that person with a complete absence of any sexual desire for them. If you are true to your word, any person would do, so long as they are of the opposite sex, since neither love nor sexual attraction are relevant. I can't imagine how awful it must be for kids to grow up in your house, knowing that you only stick with your partner because you read something in the Bible.

      It is even sadder that you don't consider the intense suffering that befalls the other partner who may very well feel true love for the person who marries them solely out of a civic duty, to fulfil God's edict to utterly swamp this planet with people it cannot possibly feed.

      As a homosexual, I have never had the slightest desire for an opposite sex partner, but there is an overwhelming love and sexual desire for a person of the same gender, of a force comparable to that of other heterosexuals, who, unlike yourself, find love and sexual attraction to be of the greatest importance in their lives.

      When fundamentalist Christians tell us that we must not mate with someone we love dearly and intensely, and instead marry someone who repels us, it is the biggest turn off to your religion that you can imagine. Who would want to carry on like that, unless they were a person with no humanity in them? 4 billion people in the world have never heard of and don't believe in your version of God, and quite frankly they're far better off. You are the worst advertisement for a Heaven there is. No-one wants to go to the same place you believe you're heading for because they will be surrounded by sanctimonious, self-congratulatory ersatz heterosexuals spouting religious dogma all day, and who don't truly believe in love.

  • Posted By: joe 6pack @ 12/07/2008 7:48:50 PM

    Want to see gay marriage? Then vote for a Democrat. It's in the party platform.


    VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT IS GAY

    DON'T BE G A Y.



    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 8:04:28 PM

      joe 6pack Actually maybe you were out of the US recently, but the population voted in recently a Democrat president, and a Democrat congress, all 'gay' according to you. At the same time, the same electorate, in California at least, passed Proposition 8 which as anti-gay. Since you talk nothing but complete nonsense, it makes it super easy not to take any of the folderol you utter seriously.

  • Posted By: joe 6pack @ 12/07/2008 7:44:54 PM

    This poll is BS. Anything the gays push is BS.

    • Posted By: dwmusic @ 12/07/2008 7:55:40 PM

      joe 6pack And you're just a sad sack, have a few too many last night did we? Many gays are advocates for other causes, such as World Vision, Freedom From Hunger, but I guess according to you, that is still only BS because it was pushed by 'the gays'. Thank goodness your opinion doean't matter to me or people who really count in this world, in the slightest degree - as I have the respect of far worthier people (both straight and gay) whom I know, love as equals, and respect in return.

  • Posted By: RealNEMom @ 12/07/2008 7:52:09 PM

    I have tracked this blog all day - thinking of my daughter , other children and their friends (gay, straight and bi) who must navigate this prejudice while trying to live their lives in a world that is already too hard to deal with without all of this hate. Stay as eloquent as you are, dwmusic (and others) - it is good to know that there are people n the world who have open hearts and open minds - and who do not cower in the face of such garbage as so many are spewing on this blog today - I think it has all been said - we are all entitled to our opinions but we are all also entitled to our lives.

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