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My freind thinks going after marraige is a strategic mistake because straights are so selfish about it. He thinks we should go for civil unions to get them used to the idea. And I'm starting to agree.http://a-civilife.blogspot.com

My freind thinks going for marraige is a strategic mistake bacause straights are so selfish about. He thinks we should go for civil unions to get them used to the idea. And I'm starting to agree.
http://a-civilife.blogspot.com

You are simply incorrect on so many levels. For example, look back at the comments to see who commented on your participle. It was not I. This just makes you appear so lost.

You can call whatever it is that you have, whatever you want. No one is denying you that right. You just can't take the sanctity of marriage away from heterosexuals.

NO means NO.

@ Roy Rogers:

And exactly what sanctity of marriage are you defending? Heterosexuals getting married on television for a million dollars? The near sixty percent divorce rate? Those two factors show the world (and many countries that permit gay marriage) that America IS indeed full of bigots.

Furthermore, as for your little "anecdote," I find it disgusting that you Americans will not give the ability of marriage to gays when the heterosexuals CANNOT even STAY married. WOW! What a sanctity! God bless America? More like, God Bless Europe and countries that are not full of closed-eyed morons.

Nope! There's NO WAY America will recognize your homosexual "preference" as a CIVIL RIGHT. Black Americans suffered and sacrificed too much to permit you to hijack their struggle as well as our definition of marriage.

So, keep your religious hatred, and YOUR anti-heterosexual "bigotry" all to yourselves, within your own "LESS THAN A MAJORITY" communities. We have marriage, you have civil unions. Prop 8 showed you that you can't force America to accept your lifestyle or your attempt to "redefine" what marriage is.

Remember! It's NOT "fear", it's disgust. It's NOT "hatred", it's loathing. There's a difference.

If you want to protect marriage, why don't you idiots ban divorce? Or better yet, just stop getting divorced. What's the matter, would that be too un-hypocritical for you bigots?

Do not mistake "fear" for disgust. You people LOVE to say people "fear" or don't "understand" you.

WRONG!

People don't hate you, they are just disgusted with your "lifestyle". That "slight majority" of Americans who voted down gay "marriage" included:

84% of weekly churchgoers
82% of Republicans
81% of white evangelicals
70% of African Americans
65% of all Protestants
65% of white Protestants
64% of voters w/children in household
64% of Catholics
61% of age 65 and over
60% of married people
59% of suburban dwellers
58% of non-college graduates
53% of Latinos
51% of white men

Gay is NOT the new "Black" civil rights movement. Sexual choices has nothing to do with Constitutionally Protected Civil Rights. Ask any Black American. At LEAST 70% will tell you how disgusted they are by homosexuals.

@ok4u

Um, nature? Yes it DOES operate that way. Where have you been? Have you followed the discussion? Homosexuality is found in many species, including humans.

What is wrong with you people? Do you not actually listen to counter-arguments? How can you keep coming back to the same points and continue to make the same arguments that have already been logically refuted?

1) Homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Look it up. People do not choose to be lesbian or gay (or transgender)--try to find real scientific evidence to the contrary. If an entire species were to turn homosexual, that would spell extinction. You're right about that, ok4u. However, that doesn't happen. Instead, it seems to be limited to a small proportion of any population. Whether it's good for the overall population is not clear. What is clear is it IS natural. If you can't grasp that, try googling homosexuality in nature.

2) Marriage has never had a stable definition. At some points in history, marriage has been a mere financial transaction. At some points, interracial marriage has been illegal. At some points, marriage has been a form of female slavery (marital rape was legal in the US until the 70s(!!); i.e., a man's wife is his sexual property). At some points, polygamy (and to a much lesser extent, polyandry) have been acceptable if not preferred. And, yes, same-sex marriage has been recognized in the past, even in Western civilization.

3) The US constitution guarantees equal protection. Now we know--and we do know this--that homosexuality is a naturally phenomenon and that there are some members of human society predominantly attracted to the same-sex. Our society calls them homosexuals, gays, lesbians, etc. They have been singled out for discrimination in laws first prohibiting homosexual behavior, but later prohibiting "homosexuals" from certain occupations. This, my friends, establishes a class of people.

4) The US constitution also decrees a separation of church and state. This means all of the appeals to the Bible are irrelevant. This also means that you can't just erase the religious underpinnings of your argument about it being morally wrong.

So now where are we at. Gee. Um, I guess it's time to return to the argument about judges "legislating from the bench." Funny how it's only legislating from the bench when you disagree. No?

Civil rights are not something that should be subjected to the majority opinion. If legislators don't eventually step in when they are being denied, the courts do. That's the American system.

You folks aren't going to change your minds. Fine. Just remember this:

1) There is not rational, fact-based, scientific reason for your belief (sounds like religion to me, but whatever).

2) The younger generation doesn't get your problem with same-sex marriage.
So,

3) We will have same-sex marriage rights eventually. You'll just be remembered as the ignorant people who tried to stop it.

Have a nice day. I

What has any of it to do with religion anyway? Look at the natural world for a clue. Every species seeks to reproduce itself. If the gay or lesbian lifestyle were truly viable, it would carry within it reproduceability. Let us suppose all people were gay or lesbian. Human life would then be soon extinguished. How can there be a natural predominant sexual and emotional desire for another of the same sex, when that desire holds within it the destruction of life? Sorry, nature doesn't operate that way.

Roy Rogers,

Huh? The courts are not legislating religious morality. They are not legislating anything. They are slowly realizing that lesbians and gays are people with rights. That lesbians and gays DO NOT CHOOSE to be homosexual but that for whatever reason their predominant sexual and emotional desire is directed at the same sex and that they have little or no desire or attraction to the opposite sex. They are slowly realizing that this is a class of people who are entitled to equal treatment under the law.

A slight majority of Californians voted for Prop 8. Mind you, these are people who were flat out LIED TO by supposed Christians, who were told that without Prop 8 their churches would be forced to marry same-sex couples and were told that their children would be encouraged to be homosexual, and people who received robocalls taking a statement by Obama out of context to make it sound like he supported Prop 8, when in fact he didn't.

I sense more than a little fear and/or hatred coming from you. I sure hope you don't have kids or if you do they aren't gay. Because growing up with a father like you would be a horrible experience. It would rent your family apart. All because you seem pathologically unable to understand the world outside your own immediate experience.

You are the one trying to legislate my family structure, not me yours. You can get married and divorced as many times as you can afford it. And you'll note that some of the biggest mouthpieces for the conservative position--your Rush Limbaughs and Newt Gingriches and John McCains and Ronald Reagans have all divorced and remarried. Sacred institution? Hmm... I don't think so. Simply a set of rights and responsibilities for couples who have chosen to live out their lives together--or in the case of the aforementioned conservative gentlemen, a portion of their lives, until they get bored and decide they want a younger, sexier wife. Where's your moral outrage about that, sir? Where?

jrwelker said:

"Don't ask me to live and love according to your system of morality."

You also mention "the separation of church and state" indicating some understanding that religious morality CAN NOT be legislated by the courts.

This is all GREAT ADVICE for homosexuals to adhere to, if they only would. STOP using the court to force America to accept your morality.

No matter what gay propaganda Newsweek posts, a majority of Americans have voted YES on Prop 8. Marriage IS a legal and religious joining of ONE adult man and ONE adult woman.

Azstrathack,

First of all, your knowledge of how to spell the expression "dangling participle" doesn't mean you understand it. My sentences below are all grammatically correct with nary a dangling participle in sight. Perhaps you are mistaking my appositive phrases or "parenthetic" asides--indicated with em-dashes rather than parentheses--for dangling participles.

Second, and more importantly, while I did say that Ginahollie's spelling reflected poorly on her and may be connected to her insufficient knowledge about same-sex marriage, I also gave actual reasons why she was wrong. Feel free to reread my response--this time for content. The fact that you (mistakenly) attack my grammar and completely ignore the content of my point suggests to me that you actually have no logical rationale whereby you oppose same-sex marriage.

Finally, I don't believe in your God (I presume your your "reason" for denying my rights is based directly on your religion or a religious-based moral tradition, regardless of whether you consciously frame it in those terms). In this country, may I remind you, I do not have to believe in your God, nor do I have to live according to the rules of your religion. I'm not asking you to marry someone of the same sex--heaven forfend. Don't ask me to live and love according to your system of morality.

If you still insist that "Christianity" should be the driving morality behind our secular laws, remember this. In countries where "the Church" has a lot of power over the state, there is generally a real or de facto state religion. I presume you would not like to be told which version of Christianity to follow. I certainly wouldn't. The founding fathers, some of whom were deists or agnostic rather than Christian, were no fools when they wrote the separation of church and state into the Constitution. Fools, however, continue to insist we ignore it.

Who ever came up with the numbers are either queer or *** .It 's hard to trust any media because if they are for it they will miss lead people and God's elect.And maybe liberal idiots.This is what the devil is all about.

Why not allow gay people to marry? They are sometimes more committed deeply relationships than straight people. I recently attended the 50th anniversary of a gay couple who've created an outstanding life together. They have always been monogomous. Yet, they haven't the right in their state to stand in front of friends & family to make a legal pledge of complete commitment to one another. They put many heterosexual couples to shame who get into marriages with the thought of being able to get out if the waters get choppy.

Where's the "tolerance" for heterosexual rights?

Your article was accurate, but misleading. It should have began, "Our poll shows that only 39% of Americans currently favor same-sex marriage." That is what the poll says. The headline and article certainly didn't give that impression. Could there be because of the "agenda" of the authors and/or magazine?

The more "outrageously" they protest the YES vote on Prop 8, the better America can see their "temper tantrum"

Good catch azstrathack.

no one has the right to vote on my civil rights. I do not care what these polls say my right tomarry should not be put up for a vote. Let me remind you peopel we do not come from another planet we are your fathers sons daughters brothers oooh soo generous uncles we are not a laughing matter but human beings just as you.the courts should deside and they should deside in favor of my right to marry the man I have loved for 5yrs...I am not new to this I am 46yrs old and black I do not believe in countrys or borders it is after all just one planet. I haven't been in church in years I don't want a religeous ceremony I want my basic legal reight to marry