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  • Posted By: lenardross @ 12/10/2008 3:47:55 PM

    Leviticus 18:22 (AMP) 22You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.
    Romans 1:24-28 (AMP) 24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], 25Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it). 26For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one, 27And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [d]bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution. 28And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome,
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (AMP) 9Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality, 10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

  • Posted By: NoahDuh @ 12/10/2008 3:17:59 PM

    Hey newsWEAK !
    You have gone TOO FAR, saying that I am worse than any Islamic fundamentalist!
    You said to "resort to biblical authority is the worst kind of fundamentalism" and that means me!

    Thanks for awakening us! (my church, family and friends, and those like us)
    Now we will know for CERTAIN that we are truly AT WAR with YOU!
    We will not only stop buying or reading any related products, not just take every opportunity, but will active and aggressively fight you, by removing your products when we find them in lobbies, telling doctors, dentists, etc., to cancel subscriptions, and blogging EVERYWHERE against you.

    We are not all as ignorant and stupid as you presume.

    I'm not asking you to retract or change. Just getting in your face to tell you we are not afraid, and will fight you! We may not win the war, but I will do all I can to see that you, on the front of the attack, will go down in this battle!

  • Posted By: Lynette71 @ 12/10/2008 3:00:02 PM

    Dear CEO Ascheim:

    I am very disappointed that Newsweek
    would run such a distorted and untrue
    interpretation of scripture as you did
    with the homosexual marriage article
    in this week's edition.

    As a news sorce your responsibility is
    to seek truth in reporting. I ask for
    accuracy and fairness in your
    reporting on homosexual marriage in
    the future. It really makes me
    question your ability to be fair and
    accurate. If you'll distort the truth
    on this subject, how many other
    subjects would you distort? Half-
    truths are not truth; therefore you
    are not providing for yourself a
    reputation of reliable, accurate
    news. I'm sorry, but I cannot support
    that so I will no longer be purchasing
    your magazine.

    Sincerely,

    Lynn B

  • Posted By: Lynette71 @ 12/10/2008 2:58:17 PM

    Dear CEO Ascheim:

    I am very disappointed that Newsweek
    would run such a distorted and untrue
    interpretation of scripture as you did
    with the homosexual marriage article
    in this week's edition.

    As a news sorce your responsibility is
    to seek truth in reporting. I ask for
    accuracy and fairness in your
    reporting on homosexual marriage in
    the future. It really makes me
    question your ability to be fair and
    accurate. If you'll distort the truth
    on this subject, how many other
    subjects would you distort? Half-
    truths are not truth; therefore you
    are not providing for yourself a
    reputation of reliable, accurate
    news. I'm sorry, but I cannot support
    that so I will no longer be purchasing
    your magazine.

    Sincerely,

    Lynette B

  • Posted By: armymom21001 @ 12/10/2008 2:40:58 PM

    After reading this artical written by Lisa. I am convinced this writer has no clue what so ever of the truths of God. It IS clear that she is not a Born again christian and qite frankly I am disturbed by those who write on the word of God with out having a true understanding of it. In the scriptures, Gos makes it very clear that if you are not saved you can not and will not understand the truths of God. Then there is a issue of her being a reporter in general. I would think before she would have truely taken the time to know ( before she speaks) what she is talking about. SHE HAS NO CLUE and in fact twisted many of scripture verses. I will NEVER buy Newsweek Mags again and reccommend a BOY CUT of this magizine. How utterly sad. I think this puts her in a humiliating posistion.

    Lin

  • Posted By: newsweekissocialist @ 12/10/2008 2:01:36 PM

    When will Newsweek start reporting news, rather than try to win us over to their left wing views. Regardless of what you think personally, the position espoused in the Bible is clear... homosexuality is an abomination.

  • Posted By: directpoppy @ 12/10/2008 2:00:05 PM

    To usurp the authority of GOD's word is to trod on ground that many have tried before. Their fate can be found in the anals of the history of mankind. We each have been given the freedom to choose what to believe. Either the Bible is true or it is not. There are great consequences to one's answer.

  • Posted By: NoahDuh @ 12/10/2008 12:34:16 PM

    NewsWEAK!
    So you believe that, to believe the Bible is true is worse than the types of fundamentalism that drives terrorists to such as the 911 attacks?
    You are clueless to the Truth that is actually in the Bible!

  • Posted By: rgarrett7 @ 12/10/2008 12:31:12 PM

    It doesn't seem like that long again when Newsweek was a news magazine. Now, my issues are stuffed with editorials and very little actual news reporting. The most recent, glaring, and offensive example of this is the current issue with gay marriage as the cover topic. If we're going to get one perspective, shouldn't we also get the other? There are not only religious, but also social, political, and civil arguments against gay marriage that can be articulated just as well as the pro gay marriage positions. Since these arguments are oversimplified and misconstrued in its articles, I assume Newsweek is incapable of discerning the true nature of these arguments. It is possible to disagree on this issue and not be some sort of neanderthal fundamentalist, but it appears that Newsweek would rather push one point of view than be fair in their "reporting" (read "editorializing").
    I hope Newsweek will return to reporting news, or perhaps they should change their name to EditorialsWeek. If not, my waning interest in their issues-pushing agenda will likely result in a canceled subscription.

  • Posted By: Johnnie G. @ 12/10/2008 7:59:14 AM

    I agree with cflare.

    Mr. Mecham -- I would respectfully challenge you to read the book of Leviticus. Are their some portions that we might find irrelevant to today such as rules on haircuts? Yes. But consider some of the "obtuse wisdom" of Leviticus:

    Don't murder.

    Don't commit adultery.

    Don't lie.

    How can you maintain that these are irrelevant to our day and age? How can you say that these require interpretation from only scholars that are not in the mainstream?

    Here's some more:

    Don't have sex with anyone except your wife.

    Don't have sex with a goat. (Yeah, it was an issue then too).

    We need real reporting from Newsweek. Not this kind of arrogant elitist reinterpretation for your own social purposes.

  • Posted By: BC2000 @ 12/09/2008 1:07:22 PM

    Since Ms. Miller's article has nowhere to comment, I'll comment on it here.

    Her article rejecting the "traditional marriage" between one man and one woman as being the standard in the Bible is inaccurate. While most of the things mentioned, e.g. polygamy, is in the scripture, it is a story. If you read the rest of the Bible and don't pick out only what you want to hear, you will see that even Solomon who had many multiples of wives, was condemned for it. The Bible does not use those bits of history as a this is what you should do story but rather tells history as it happened, and provides examples of why doing those things are not the way to go. She tells of Abraham fathering a child with a servant because his wife was infertile, but she fails to mention that God was very angry about it.

    She then goes on to say that Jesus was inclusive. That is true. Jesus was hated because he reached out to the people that the religious types called sinners. The problem with Ms. Miller's argument isn't that Jesus accepted them but that he allowed them to continue doing what they pleased. To the woman caught in adultery, Jesus said that he does not condemn her and to go and sin no more. He does not say go and continue sinning by following in your desires. While Jesus reached out-and still does-to everyone, we can't take that as a free-for-all pass to do what ever we want to.

    Thank you.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 12/10/2008 3:29:51 AM

      So was David. God didn't just let him have many wives. God let him fall into temptation because of it.

      You hit the nail on the head. Simply saying that Biblical figures did bad things, doesn't mean God allowed it.

    • Posted By: sunnysheri @ 12/09/2008 4:05:28 PM

      My thoughts exactly. Thanks!

  • Posted By: Marti from Cincinnati @ 12/09/2008 3:43:31 PM

    Really Newsweek??? Really? I can't believe that you are standing so strongly with this article. Did anyone do reasearch to aid Ms Miller? Abraham didn't sleep with Hagar because he (Abraham) discovered that Sarah was infertile! Abraham slept with Hagar because SARAH told him too You really need to read the whole story if you are going to quote it. Why would the Bible comment on something that it warns us not to do? What about Romans 1: 26 - 27??? One point you made I can't find fault with, quite honestly "Christians" don't do a lot of the things commanded in the Bible... things like do not lie. Do not commit adultry. Do not steal. (and plenty more) Perhpaps this is why the God of the Bible sent Jesus... because we ALL FALL SHORT and sin. Speaking of Jesus, I wish you and all of the Newsweek staff a very joyous Christmas. Jesus's birth is indeed worth celebrating, it makes no difference when He was actually born, the difference is that He was!

    • Posted By: cflare @ 12/10/2008 3:27:35 AM

      NOTE: God dissapproved of Abraham's choice to sleep with another woman. This showed that Abraham didn't have faith that God would provide a son through Sarah.

      This was the whole point of this part of the story. It was a message of faith.

      If you take stuff out of context you can see one time several daughters slept with their father to help him conceive a son, and then prove that the Bible condones child molestation. That would of course ignore the fact that the father condemned the act.

      How about Davids many concubines? Take that out of context and you miss where God told David it was his womanizing ways that lead him into temptation. (which meant that God condemn his multiple wives lifestyle)

      Or how about Adam and Eve's children marrying each other. According to the Bible there had to be at one point sibling marriages. Of course, this ignores the necessity of the time.

      Then you say that heterosexual marriage is bad for people because Adam and Eve sinned. Let's just say it was even worse because their children killed each other.... bad parents they must have been.

      It bothers me that you make the argument that heterosexual marriage is bad because heterosexuals divorce. Does that make the idea of government bad because we have corrupt politicians. Or how about we throw education out the window because some kids get out of school and still can't add. Throw away companies because of Enron. No longer allow alcohol because of drunk-driving. Tear down churches because of cults. Throw away the UN because Iran has a seat.

      Better yet, let's throw away Obama's senate seat because it was an opportunity for a governor to break the law. We can have only 49 Senators. Sounds good to me.

      Let's just tear down the family because we have husbands that beat wives. Tear down education. Tear down government. Go straight into anarchy, because if someone can corrupt something, it's bad to begin with. Turn off TV, cut off internet, destroy cell-phones (they cause wrecks), take away guns, dismember the military (they kill people), become socialists (because capitalism leads to recession), stop being socialist (because of North Korea, they ruined the idea), stop fighting terrorists (because they aren't as angry when we aren't blowing up their bombs), and stop working (because work is exploitation of labor for money).

  • Posted By: Steveador @ 12/09/2008 8:15:48 PM

    Kudos to Mr. Meacham and Newsweek for taking a stand and being clear about their position, rather than pretending to address this issue from some "neutral" position.
    However, shame on Mr. Meacham for trying to rule out of bounds appeals to Biblical authority as "the worst kind of fundamentalism." (really? The "worst" kind?) Everyone appeals to some kind of authority. Almost all religions include the idea of the followers submitting to the authority of the belief system in some way--that is the point (why do you think they are called followers?). Most religions have sacred writings that are believed to convey authoritative information. Virtually all Christians--not just "fundamentalists"--what a weapon word that is!-- agree that the Bible is authoritative with respect to religious and moral issues. The degree of authority granted and the way it is interpreted, of course, varies widely. (Despite that, there has never been any real dispute about homosexuality until the last 30 years, and still today the overwhelming weight of opinion about what the Bible teaches on this issue --your article notwithstanding-- remains unchanged).
    You simply cannot argue that believers can't base their decisions based on what their faith teaches them--that is part of what freedom of religion is all about. The Bible's authority is what drove Christian believers to fight to end the slave trade, end slavery, fight for women's suffrage, fight for workers rights, protect children, and bring voting rights and civil rights at last to African Americans in the US. It drives Christians today to protect the environment, seek to lift up the poor and helpless, give aid to the stricken, and fight for debt relief and against unjust systems that oppress people (God's children!). Some of those folks are on each side of the fight over homosexuality, and all of them would say that they are trying to be faithful to what the Bible authoritatively teaches them.
    People with differing opinions doesn't make an appeal to authority invalid--it just means that the discussion is more complicated.
    Meacham's rhetoric appears to be an effort to completely privatize religious belief----to somehow insulate society from the beliefs of its members. That is a ridiculous goal and something that would be profoundly negative for our country and the world. Make your moral arguments based on whatever authority you think is valid--but don't try to count out of bounds the document that about 1/3 of the world already views as valid authority. That privatization would only permit appeals to "secular" authority (tolerance? fairness?). Soon we would have no basis at all for most moral decisions except some kind of utilitarianism. Good for the eugenists and social darwinists, not so great for the poor, the different, the marginalized. Shame on you for trying to open this Pandora's Box and seeking to silence anyone willing to submit to any autho

    • Posted By: cflare @ 12/10/2008 3:08:56 AM

      What they fail to realize is that even secularism, utilitarianism, atheism, and prosperity are religions. Even the pursuit of happiness is a religion.

      For example: Science takes certain things for granted. 1. Gravity exists. 2. Matter exists. 3. The accuracy of the current atomic model.
      These things are what science cannot prove to any other degree other than observation. Observation isn't perfect, nor does it find truth. Observation merely creates a model that is a simplified prediction algorithm. Therefore Science cannot 'search for truth', but merely model truth.

      Religion is simply a model by which a human simplifies the world. Religion (whether Science or not) must take certain things for granted that create a foundation that all other things are built upon. This foundation is called faith.

      The average Joe must have faith in 2 + 2 = 4. Otherwise he wouldn't function. Even if it can be proven, 2 + 2 = 4 must recursively descend through proofs into a foundation were some fact is taken for granted.

      For example, take the Big Bang theory. The BBT can be recursively descended into the fact that 'Particles in some form have existed forever' (be it energy, strings, protons, quarks, etc.) This must be taken for granted. If one day this was discovered to be untrue, then BBT was wrong. If you disagree, then an infinite cause regression will prove that there must have been some effect without a cause. Unless you believe in an infinite loop, at which point even if time-space looped back into itself, something must have always existed.

      Point being, no matter what you believe, it is a belief system that can be regressed into certain facts you take for granted. Therefore, you can't really rule out any belief system at all, other than that one were all belief systems are true.... that one can't possibly exist.

      You end up with this simple idea. If there was a God, his stupidity would be smarter than my genius. Therefore, a God can simply hide himself from me. Therefore, there cannot be a denial of the possibility that a God exists. You can simply have an opinion.

  • Posted By: cflare @ 12/09/2008 11:38:16 PM

    So you say we should interpret the Bible, but at the same time, not apply it. That is because applying it is stupid. However, we should interpret it because it's 'undeniable truths' hold ground even as 'our society changes' over time.

    Yeah.... if that isn't bass ackwards, I don't know what is then.

    A serious attempt at deciding on pie but eating cake too.


    I'm SICK AND TIRED of this debate. It's a stupid waste of time.
    The seculars want to dismiss the Bible as an authority of any kind, but the homosexuals aren't satisfied with a legal civil union. They want to claim the title of married also.

    Fine, have your marriage, but submit to the context of the Bible -OR- dismiss the Bible and be satisfied with a civil union.

    I SAY WE BAN MARRIAGE OF ANY KIND AND ONLY OFFER CIVIL UNIONS. 'Marriage' could be a title, but the legal term would be 'civil union' with equal rights for homo/hetero alike.

    BAN MARRIAGE as a legal term. THERE YOU HAPPY?????

  • Posted By: Chris5104 @ 12/09/2008 6:38:12 PM

    Ms. Miller claims that the Bible says nothing about lesbianism. But Romans 1:26-27 -- a New Testament passage -- says, "Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves their due penalty for their perversion."

    As for the argument that this passage is about homosexual promiscuity connected with pagan temple worship, it falls flat because (1) the long list of other sins that follow in this passage would then also only be wrong when done in connection with pagan worship, which is plainly not the sense of the passage, and (2) there is absolutely nothing in the surrounding context to indicate anything other than a universal condemnation. Just because a fringe scholar hallucinates that this passage is talking about Nero or Caligula doesn't make it so; that's not scholarship, it's propaganda.

    This one error alone would invalidate all of Ms. Miller's tangled prose. But of course, it doesn't matter because Meacham claims that to believe the Bible makes one "intellectually bankrupt" (of course, why then write an article about how the Bible supports homosexual marriage?). Perhaps Mr. Meacham would do well to actually research, as so many others have through the centuries, the case for biblical authority. We Christians don't just wave a wand and say, "The Bible is true because I say so or because some guy on TV says so." Do a little heavy reading on the subject before spewing your lightweight bile on your readers.

    • Posted By: newnormal @ 12/09/2008 11:02:00 PM

      I think the point is, what parts of the Bible do you believe? You can't take everything literally because the contradictions are legion.

  • Posted By: sebastian46808 @ 12/09/2008 10:26:06 PM

    The real threat to sacred marriage and stable family is infidelity. Why all the rant about gay marriage and silence about divorce and adultery. With or without marriage gays will always be a rather small minority with a minimal effect on the majority community. Christians should get the timber out of their own eyes which blinds them to the heterosexual sins against marriage before they try judging sacred gay relationships of enduring love and fidelity. the hypocricy of it all is astounding! Especially given that so many Christian leaders are gay. I never made a choice to be attracted to men. I simply became aware that I was so.

  • Posted By: catwomandonna @ 12/09/2008 9:36:08 PM

    Newsweek nneds to change it's name to propagandaWeek.

  • Posted By: revmark7 @ 12/08/2008 11:32:11 PM

    In my 20's I lived in a small town and several farmers from my church invited me over for a multi-family lunch at one of their farmhouses. The conversation was mostly about farming. I chipped in several opinions, until finally one of the farmers told me I needed to shut up and listen, because it was obvious I didn't know anything about farming. And so it is with Mr. Meacham and Ms. Miller. You have selected a few things the Bible says and tried to make an invalid point. The majority of Christians are appalled at your articles, not so much because of your conclusion (which is no surprise to us), but because you have submitted drizzle into what ought to be a scholarly and objective magazine. If you wish to promote gay marriage, quote something else besides the Bible. It is obvious you don't understand it.

    • Posted By: Chris5104 @ 12/09/2008 6:16:32 PM

      I agree! I've read attempts to justify homosexuailty that were wrong, but at least semi-informed. This article didn't even try to be intellectually respectable. And of course, if you blow the whistle on their lack of intellectual honesty, then Meacham calls you anti-intellectual. An old con-artist's trick.

  • Posted By: Chris5104 @ 12/09/2008 5:54:09 PM

    What utter and intellectually vapid nonsense. Miller's advertorial was indeed part of an agenda, and the proof is that it ignored biblical and sociological scholarship that could fill a library and that opposes her position. Did she bother to interview or publish the arguments of a single scholar from the other side of her opinion, even though hundreds exist? Did her editor, Jon Meacham, require her to do so? No, they simply laid out an opinion adorned with one-sided quotes and shoddy reasoning.

  • Posted By: thom235 @ 12/09/2008 5:41:19 PM

    This article is factually, intellectually, and Biblically incorrect. In trying to support this article, Editor Jon Meacham has made Newsweek the mouthpiece of radical homosexuals whose agenda is the destruction of traditional marriage. I refuse to financially support this effort by continuing to subscribe to this publication.

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