Gay Rights 2.0

The Catholic Priest has lost his mind God doesn't condone same sex marriages, and he need to quit spreading lies. My opinion is this i don't agree with same sex relationships and i don't agre with then wanting to get the rights of marriage, because our laws and constitutions weere buit on on four fathers and has worked for this long why mess with it. If the gays and lesbians want to come up with there own motion for there unitties then by all means do so,but don't mess with the things that have worked so good for us and our four fathers for so long.For all you who think that i am against gays and lesbians think again i have an aunt that is a lesbian and a cousin that is a lesbian and they think that they should have there own law for there marriage if they decided to take it that far with the partners. Gays and Lesbians are mostly nice and very pleaseant people,but i think they should quit trying to push there life style on everyone adn get over it. i have friends that are gays and lesbians who are embarrasssed for the things that are going on with proposition 8 and things of that nature. My aunt says that the reason so many gays and lesbians are being killed and ridiculled are because what all the supporters are trtying to do to get everything legalized, she wonders how many have to die and suffer for these activists i guess you could call them get there way. How much blood and shame will be on there hands for gettign what they want.

Take away the name marriage all together and call it, Civil Union for the rights for both gay and non-gay. Religiously, call it what you want. Problem solved.

Heres the problem, like it or not, gays want acceptance, whether you admit it or not. So they are hell bent on calling it marriage, instead of rallying for changing the name and the rights, they want rights under the title marriage.

Hopefully the supreme court will give the rights and change it from marriage to civil union for everybody.

The people have spoken LOUD AND CLEAR!!!! In California, Flordia, and the other states.


America's economy can be fixed, however what America is facing is a moral crisis more than anything. This country will be disgraceful if we allow immorality to take over. We can't allow that for the sake of our children.
and their is another NEW generation who is growing in fast numbers by the millions who oppose immorality in this country & the world on ALL levels. They are a force to be reckoned with adn will NOT be silence by any means necessary.

IN my research their are more Americans who are rising up for Morality in the past years, this has nothing to do with left or right, but people's convictions to save the traditional family and the future of our children.

I posted something similar to this lower in the 'discussion' as a reply to another poster, but I want to make this clear again. This discussion is really about two different things that are getting confused by the use of a word that has a strong cultural influence on it. That word is marriage... Now, let's really look at this situation for a second, and try to put aside all bashing on both sides for a little while.

The word marriage refers to a religious sacrament, Holy Matrimony, that is performed my a religious authority, and then sanctioned and legalized by a civil authority. That civil authority then grants certain rights, responsibilities and protections to the couple who had the religious sacrament performed. Now, those 'special rights' as they have been called are not granted by the religious ceremony, they are in fact granted by the civil authority once the civil marriage license has been signed. That license is what bestows the rights of marriage on the couple, not the religious sacrament. Let's be clear here... You can have a marriage ceremony performed by a religious authority and be married in the eyes of that religious community, but the civil authority does not recognize the union and therefore does not grant the married couple these 'special rights' . You can also have a ceremony performed by a civil authority, like a judge, that will then grant these same 'special rights' on the union, without the union being recognized by any religious authority. Again it is this piece of paper that grants these 'special rights' not whatever words are said before that paper is signed that magically grants civil and legal rights to the couple.

Granting gay couples access to this civil, legal process does not in any way force any church to suddenly have to perform a religious sacrament for them. Any church has the right to decide the requirements for having this sacrament performed. Some require premarital religious classes, some a short informal chat with the leader who will perform the sacrament. No church is required to perform any sacrament for any one who shows up at their doorstep and demands it. And that will not change. And it shouldn't.

What will change is a civil process. Call it a civil union if it makes you feel better, it doesn't matter really... Keep marriage as a religious sacrament if you want, but grant me access to the civil system. That's fair. I don't want to force my ideas on your church, but I also don't want your church's ideas forced on me.

I really don't get it. Gay marriage isn't illegal. If two gay people want to get married, they can have a ceremony and get married. What business is it of mine? None. The problem is that some gay people want the rest of the country to acknowledge gay marriage via some kind of law announcing that it's "legal". I don't believe for a minute that it's about equality, but rather using the government to enforce a law acknowledging a lifestyle that most citizens feel is immoral. If you are gay and want to get married, then go get married and leave ME and the government out of it.

Docpatmac, The problem with what you say is that Marriage is a sacrament of the Church, which the Church has been around alot longer than the USA. You say that the seperation of church and state is protected under the constution, well what right does the government has to come into church and tell us that we have to except theeir version of a sacrament. . Marriage is NOT a right, it is a gift from God, and a privalige.This is an attact on the church, and freedom of our faith. Throughout the Bible it gives instruction for husbands, and wifes, ie. men and women. Paul, spoke about human guilt. in Romans 1 talks about how man knows God, but they rfuse to obey. Also Romans 26 says" because they do this, God has given them over to shameful passion.Even women pervert the natural use of there sex by unnatural acts.In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Mendo shamful things with each other and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrong doing".
Now, as a Christian, we are not to judge, and we are told to love one another, in which the majority of christians do. Who are we to judge, lest we be judge. Who am I to judge, I am a sinner.
I have an aunt that is gay and I love her and her partner very much,but they will have to stand before God and give and accounting for their actions.
It is also written that we are to confront evil, and I feel that this is an evil attack on the Church. We as Christians have to stand up and say enough!

Persecuted? This idea that gay marriage is "like he struggle for civil rights" is bizarre. I am not religious at all, and I am certainly not anti-gay. But marriage is not a "civil right" because of sexual attraction. By that logic we must allow marriage between humans and sheep. Note, please, that with exactly the same modern technology required for gay couples to "have their own children" a human-sheep couple could "have a child". By the same logic, a narcissist who only wanted to masturbate to themselves in the mirror should be marry themselves. A few weirdos in the gay community have brainwashed everyone else into thinking that there is some awful horribleness perpetrated on them, and anyone thinking otherwise is branded a bigot. Calling this entirely invented "struggle" for a "right" that has never existed in human history the equivalent of fighting Jim Crow is really quite obscene.

you say it's ok to be gay it's the way thay were born that's a crock, the good lord did not make nobody that way thay chose to or how thay were raised if people would get in church & get out of the world thay would see what's wrong with it if it's ok to be gay where is the ability to reproduce man with man brakes the cycle woman with woman ends the cycle it's wrong get over it

Who wants your stamp of approval? All I want is equal rights under the law... you can disapprove all day and night, and forever try to blow my house down. But I warn you now, you waste your breath. Today, I fight in a foreign land for the rights of Iraqis who have spent years oppressed by arrogance and ignorance. But soon, when we, as Americans, leave this fight, I'll be back home. Unfortunately, MY fight against arrogance and ignorance will continue, this time fighting for my very own inallienable right to pursue happiness and to be RESPECTED under the law I'm sworn to defend. So disapprove all day long... the bottom line is, a disapproving eye cast from a neanderthal shakes no stone in my foundation. Love will triumph... love will overcome... and love is the message your deaf ears can't hear. But fear not, for I'll hear your cries when precious "rights" are denied you... and I'll be there to lend a helping hand.

Its not just about money people, its about equality. Married heterosexual couples don't even realize the amount of privileges they carry with that marriage certificate. For example, if my partner gets sick and goes to the hospital, the hospital can deny me visits or information because we are not "family" in the eyes of the law so they don't have to give me any information. Imagine the person that you've built a life with for the last 20 years gets in a car accident and you rush to the hospital, just wanting to know if they are alive or dead or what and no one will tell you. Can you even begin to imagine what that feels like? Oh, the trick to empathy is having feelings so most of you people who are so upset about the idea of gay marriage probably aren't going to be able to accomplish this.
And why are you so upset about gay marriage anyway when it doesn't affect your privileged, heterosexual marriage? No one is going to take anything away from you. Is it that it makes you feel that much more powerful in that eight year old bully on the playground "I have something you don't have" kind of way? I just don't understand why you are so threatened. And quit hiding behind the bible already, that gets old.
While there are wars killing our brothers and sisters,while there are children in our neighborhoods going to school hungry, while there are women who are being brought into this country to be used as sex slaves, while there are millions of people fighting to keep their homes and jobs, why are you putting so much effort into fighting against people who just want to love each other? We're at a time in history when we could all use a little more love. Even you.

You didn't both to mention how the protestors have urinated on church buildings and people.

Why should it matter if you can get married being gay if you love each other so much shouldn't the fact you are with the person you love be enough? Or is it really about the money??

I have several comments- I don't know who came up with that idiotic suppose to be catch phrase" gay is the new black --it is ridiculous and it is offensive. I am a black woman and the ignorance of the majority of people's mindset today is astonishing. I Love everybody straight, gay, lesbian whatever...but here is the truth. In this world there is God vs. satan and the reason why the crazy things are happening such as: wars, arguments, a failing economy, because the world has turned away from God and has let satan in their homes, by indulging sinful lifestyles & pleasures, believing in lies-science, mistrust, family religious traditions and thinking there is no God.

The problem with a homosexual lifestyle is that is does effect others....Spiritually speaking. (But this part is totally over unbelievers heads so I will not go into details) This is why God did not allow the Israelites to intermarry with certain groups & travel to certain places because of these "sinful spirits??? residing in people??? Thus result of God destroying cities - The Lord gave people umpteen many chances to repent and be delivered from the bondages of satan but they refused to listen. This is what happened back then, and this is what is happening now. I can provide testimonials resources from those who were saved from the gay/lesbian lifestyle & trust & believe you will hear each & every one say that God brought them out and they were wrong. God made a man for a woman and a woman for a man-nothing more, nothing less. The world will soon see that you cannot live in sin without consequences. As surely as my God lives this is the truth.

What this really shows is that gays have no concept of law. They wrangled this issue into a civil rights issue, when it should not be. We don't let dogs get married, why should we let gays. But this is just par for the course in America. When people don't get their way they scream racism and try to amend the constitution. Gays just can't accept the fact that the majority of Americans don't acknowledge them and will never accept them in normal society. Why? Because it makes no biological sense........ Plus, you don't see hetrosexual day parades. Have any you ever seen the Chicago Gay Pride parade? Men wearing g-strings and dancing to ABBA in broad daylight, i had to get counsuling to stop the nightmares.

Give me a break! Gays are welcome at any worksite! As for those 'so-called' special rights, gays already have them. Gays just want to force their lifestyles and their religion onto everyone else, especially those who disagree with them! If this is considered 'hate' speech, then oh well. First Amendment rights! I don't hate gays - I am just tired of hearing them say how they've got it so hard when there are people who are struggling for surivial every day that has it much harder.

Just so we all understand the issue, the gay community wants to be accepted by everyone and be able to obtain legal marriage status. I???m fine with that idea.So that they are treated equally and don't feel like 2nd class citizens. I???m also fine with that notion as well.

If in fact the community feels this way, then why do you feel it necessary to have your own schools? Quote from NPR article "In Chicago, plans are under way for a new school where gay students and others wouldn't face the bullying and harassment they endure in other schools." Well then maybe the math students should have their own school where they aren't picked on, and the non-athletic kids should have their own school too so that the jocks don't make them feel bad about them selves. Welcome to the real world not everyone is nice and will like you, its apart of growing up.

The gay community says it wants equal rights, but only if it???s on their terms. So they want to be treated as equals, but also want tax payers to chip in more money so that they can have their owns schools? Where is the logic in that, don't you think this is a little backwards? As a tax payer I would be furious if my money was going to help special interest groups because they can???t seem to play nicely with others in the sandbox.


NPR Article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95565768

What's progressive about supporting or endorsing something that is contradictory to the design or natural function of human beings. That seems anti-progressive to me. We are designed to function a certain way. Endorsing or supporting anything other than that goes against what a large majority of people believe, but what's more important is that it is a complete certainty that human beings should, for the good of their species, support a natural function. My Christian beliefs are only confirmed by that, most obvious, fact. What progressives fail to realize, in their zeal to prove Christians wrong, is that Christian beliefs are backed up not only by their faith and experience, but also by science and COMMON SENSE!

What? I do not want to force my "religious belief" on anyone. But we need to stand up for our rights.And the only people who want special rights are the people opposed to prop. 8. Remember, back in 2000, I think it was prpo 182 that outlawed gay marriage. It was crushed like 70% to 30%. Now, with the people against porp 8 energized, it still lost. Look, the first argument was that they wanted the same rights as hetrosexuals had. Great, I am all for that.Didn't the state of ca pass that a few years ago? I think that they did. Now they want it to be called marriage. Call it something else, I don't care, and I am sure most people in the Chrisatian community feel the same way.Lastly, the issue is gay marriage.
Unfortunatly, I know that the courts will overturn prop 8. They have to determine if this is a moral issue, or a civil rights issue. and with the track record of the ca supreme court, you know that they will over turn it. In my bigoted, homophob view point, it is a moral issue.