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  • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/10/2008 11:47:34 AM

    Just a note of support from one happily married straight man to the brave people fighting for GLBT equality. Keep it up - you will prevail, history is on your side. Hate and bigotry and fundamentalist dogma can be forceful, but they will never be strong. You are strong, and you will win full equality in my lifetime. My kids will wonder why anyone cared about opposing you.

    • Posted By: rogerhall @ 12/10/2008 11:52:54 AM

      Nice comment Dave, and let me add another married-hetero cheer. :}

      BTW, while only 18% of 65 year-olds support Gay Marriage, 65% of 18 year-olds support Gay Marriage.

      It may be no comfort to some of the older survivors, but it is only a matter of time before this is corrected.

  • Posted By: I have a dream @ 12/10/2008 11:52:35 AM

    Having said what I said though, I do agree that for gay rights to become mainstream, accepted rather than rejected, there should be no segregation, especially not by the gay people themselves. Schools, etc should of course be integrated without regard to people's sexuality. I am sometimes surprised that many gay venues prohibit attendance of non gays (actually, they prohibit entry of women, or charge them high admittance fees, so as to keep the club "all male"), this is hardly a way to encourage the majority of the population to have integrated facilities (including marriage) for all, gay or straight.

  • Posted By: AFmom @ 12/10/2008 11:50:39 AM

    I think its horribly sad and disgusting that people are still fighting equal rights in this country, and are being persecuted. This country is here today because people fled to its safety to avoid persecution. OPEN YOUR MINDS PEOPLE. Everyone deserves to be treated equally reguardless or race, gender, religious preferance or sexual orientation. This country seriously needs to take a look in its mirror and change its ways.

  • Posted By: I have a dream @ 12/10/2008 11:49:56 AM

    Will be brief:

    1) Why do non-gays want to protest against gay marriage? It does not affect their own marriage or right to married. No one can force you to be gay or to be straight, you just are. If it doesn't bother your own rights, why exclude it from others?

    2) This is very reminiscent of the civil rights struggle. Popular belief at that time, at least in the south (and the whole country to start with) was that Blacks have no rights, and even if you put aside slavery, "putting blacks in their place" was only so that the whites could feel superior (particularly grassroot level white). Giving blacks voting and other rights does not actually intrude upon the white's own rights. It is a similar situation with gay rights and gay marriage now.

    3) I believe that similar to the Civil Rights movement, in the end, sensible talk or arguments simply would not do, when there are too many bigots around. It will in due course have to become a grassroot movement, with protests, and God forbid, even violence to go with it, until it becomes enforced federally.

  • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/09/2008 10:48:42 PM

    No matter how they try and justify it, homosexuality is as immoral as incest. Sexual preferences are NOT a civil right.

    • Posted By: draco_nite @ 12/10/2008 11:44:39 AM

      youre just saying that cuz you couldnt get laid with your hot sister

  • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/09/2008 11:26:09 PM

    Re: BethAS @ 12/09/2008 10:52:23 PM > "Marriage is a civil right."

    So is Incestuous Marriage between two consenting adults as MUCH a civil right as Homosexual Marriage between two consenting adults? Or is one animal "more equal" than the other?

    • Posted By: draco_nite @ 12/10/2008 11:43:18 AM

      incest = wincest

      that is all

    • Posted By: Big Truth @ 12/09/2008 11:44:28 PM

      Roy Rogers >> I thought you were dead? 'By the way where is Dale Evans? >> is Dale a man? I thought you might be a Larry Craig type. Senator Larry Craig is always talking bad about the gays, then he is caught in an airport mensroom soliciting sex from an undercover cop. tsk tsk tsk

      • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/09/2008 11:53:11 PM

        That's the BEST you got??? Thanks for proving my point.

        • Posted By: Big Truth @ 12/10/2008 12:12:55 AM

          You and others like you prove my point every day. '' you are another Senator Larry Craig and congressman Mark Foley and about 1/2 of all the Catholic Priests just to name a few.

          • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/10/2008 12:21:40 AM

            So not ALL homosexuals are equal to homosexuals like you? Homosexual civil rights for Democrats only? This is why you will never be accepted, and why you will never have the votes to overturn Prop 8. NEVER. Deal with it.

            • Posted By: Big Truth @ 12/10/2008 12:33:11 AM

              Prop 8 will be overturned. and you can take that to the bank.....>> so you will have to Deal with it not Me.

  • Posted By: alphadogreporter @ 12/10/2008 8:43:49 AM

    While gay activists have the freedom to ask for equal rights, I find it ironic that many in the gay commuinity are now resorting to violence and abuse in order to squlech those who dare not agree with them. Careful lest you become that which you hate most.

  • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/10/2008 9:35:04 AM

    Just because people can "do" something, does that in any way give them the "civil right" to do it?

    I don't want to know what people do in private, that's a personal values and morality decision between themselves and their own conscience and beliefs. Neither do I want a minority of people to use the laws of man to corrupt the Laws of God, the sanctity of marriage between one adult man and one adult woman, and my own personal values and morality with an activity I find as offensive as incest.

    I agree that Newsweek seems to be promoting a gay agenda in an attempt to "desensitize" American society while "normalizing" a behavior most humans have always viewed as deviant and abnormal. God bless the people who voted yes on Prop 8.

    • Posted By: draco_nite @ 12/10/2008 11:39:03 AM

      "I don't want to know what people do in private, that's a personal values and morality decision between themselves and their own conscience and beliefs. Neither do I want a minority of people to use the laws of man to corrupt the Laws of God, the sanctity of marriage between one adult man and one adult woman, and my own personal values and morality with an activity I find as offensive as incest."

      DOES
      NOT
      COMPUTE

  • Posted By: Lexus2lovr @ 12/10/2008 9:37:02 AM

    It's still wrong, no matter who might accept someone in that arena. God's words will never fail, and his words are sharper than any two edged sword. Homosexuality if WRONG.

    • Posted By: draco_nite @ 12/10/2008 11:33:43 AM

      The pen is mightier than the sword, lol

  • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/10/2008 2:53:25 AM

    I see you are "blind" to the tantrums and taunts of Big Truth. It's those "selective" civil rights and acceptance you seek.

    Perhaps you can explain how incestuous marriage between two loving and consenting adults is as MUCH a civil right as homosexual marriage between two loving and consenting adults? Both are seen as immoral.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/10/2008 9:22:41 AM

      "Perhaps you can explain how incestuous marriage between two loving and consenting adults is as MUCH a civil right as homosexual marriage between two loving and consenting adults? Both are seen as immoral."

      One creates a victim, the other does not.

      • Posted By: Roy Rogers @ 12/10/2008 9:49:57 AM

        They BOTH create victims. It does not matter if you argue that both individuals are adults who give consent and "feel" love, behavior such as this HAS ALWAYS been considered abnormal and is the reason humanity has discouraged it.

        Who draws the line? Are ALL adults engaging in this behavior more "mature" than a 17 year old, or a 16 year old, or younger? What's the difference between a Catholic priest using their position to seduce and molest the young and vulnerable, and a gay teacher using their position to "indoctrinate" the young and vulnerable in "normalizing" abnormal and deviant behavior even if they do not engage in physical contact?

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/10/2008 11:33:07 AM

          Perhaps you are having trouble with the concept of "consenting adults". Gay marriage has nothing to do with pedophilia. Please attempt to stick to the topic.

          Now, please explain how a gay marriage between consenting adults creates a victim?

  • Posted By: Lexus2lovr @ 12/10/2008 10:04:54 AM

    This is a discussion that could go on and on and on. BUT the one TRUE fact is, GOD does love us one and all and he expects us to OBEY His commandments and yes, that does take work. BUT believing that one can be born to this type of lifestyle is a lie. God created us as his children, perfectly flawed, but a workable piece of clay when we turn to him for guidance Leviticus 18th chapter is what you need to read. I pray for you one and all, because IF you want to change you can change, God loves you and wants you to change. He's waiting with open arms all you have to do is have a sincere heart and talk to our Father God, He will answer you, his ears are open to our crys. TRUST....

    • Posted By: Minneapolitian @ 12/10/2008 10:56:33 AM

      "he expects us to OBEY His commandments" ***rolls eyes**, I say then make your "god" come here and tell us himself/herself/itself. Showing me a book that was written and printed by humans doesn't cut it. In other words, PROVE IT!

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 12/10/2008 10:39:31 AM

    Personally the marriage issue does not bother me, and if two consenting adults want to get married so be it.

    I think was makes religious groups and some heterosexual parents so uneasy about this issue is that to them its a slippery slope. They more than likely are nervous that if enough lobbying occurs than groups like NAMBLA will seek public acceptance.

    For those of you who have never heard of NAMBLA (the most dirty, gross, utterly disgusting organizaition i have ever heard of) please view the following website.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambla

    • Posted By: Tom in Milwaukee @ 12/10/2008 11:00:51 AM

      Well, as disgusting as NAMBLA is, it is dwarfed by the number of heterosexuals who are attracted to children. Pedophilia is not dependent on sexual orientation. Your comment is well taken, though, and I'm sure you'd agree that pedophilia of any kind is reprehensible.

      • Posted By: Progressive American @ 12/10/2008 11:08:10 AM

        Of course pedophilia of any kind is disgusting. My comment was to hihglight the perspective of some religious people.

        • Posted By: draco_nite @ 12/10/2008 11:20:58 AM

          WTF u talkin bout man

          pedophilia is awesome

  • Posted By: abfab @ 12/10/2008 11:20:15 AM

    52% of the Public are uneducated ignorant intolerant morons. If we let them rule we would be in serious trouble. Just look what happens when morons vote! We got Bush twice. No laws should be enacted that discriminate against any group.

  • Posted By: amorales63 @ 12/10/2008 9:07:06 AM

    It seems to me that newsweek is endorsing this violent behavior. Prop 8 shows us what the general public's opinion of gay marriage is...

    • Posted By: MBRUNO @ 12/10/2008 11:12:58 AM

      Excuse me, but I believe Prop. 8 shows us what 52% of the general public's opinion on November 4th was of gay marriage. That is what you meant to say, wasn't it?

    • Posted By: MBRUNO @ 12/10/2008 11:06:23 AM

      Excuse me, but I believe Prop eight shows us what 52% of the general public think of gay marriage at this time.

    • Posted By: MBRUNO @ 12/10/2008 10:59:41 AM

      Excuse me, but I believe Prop eight shows us what 52% of the general public think of gay marriage at this time.

  • Posted By: timstertim @ 12/10/2008 11:12:15 AM

    These columnists still can't get a simple fact straight, and they have awful grammar. You can't say that people protested the Mormon Temples, which donated $20 to the Yes Campaign. So the Temples are donating money now. It's called a dangling modifier, go back to English class. The Mormon church didn't donate any money, they encouraged involvement by their church members, and the members responded. It's such a simple fact, but no one seems to get it right. Too bad the gay community is too lazy to get behind a cause. Probably because not everyone in the gay community cares, or wants to get married. That's the best part about being gay right, no commitment? And when is the last time someone was discriminated against for being gay at work? Honestly. How common is this. Probably the same amount of times a black person, or a Mexican, or whomever has. The gay community is doing fine. They are terrible organizers and have no message. Look at the Senator's comments, he understands that they are doing a terrible job. He seems embarrassed by the whole thing. Prop. 8 passed by the people. They weren't duped into voting that way, they chose to. Most of them chose to elect Obama, and vote for Prop. 8. Obama himself doesn't support gay marriage. He is clear on that issue, and he bases this on his traditional Christian beliefs. Go protest crazy Christian Obama. He is a psycho that reads an old book, and believes in an unseen person. What a crazy man. I'm glad to see that the Gay community would never be mad at Obama, even though he doesn't think marriage is a right that should be given to same-sex couples. Instead he believes in a compromise, that of civil unions, give gays the rights, and Christians can keep marriage. This isn't difficult.

  • Posted By: johnnybgoode @ 12/10/2008 11:06:12 AM

    I'm getting really sick of the pro-gay slant of Newsweek and other media sources. Few have said anything about grassroots movement to protect traditional marriage and family. As we have seen in California and the majority of other states throughout the U.S., the popular grassroots movement and sentiment is against gay marriage, not in favor of it. Furthermore, quit demonizing any particular church (I'm referring to the Mormons) for excercising their right to freedom of expression and speaking up on an issue that is within their sphere of social concern and fundamental to their doctrine and beliefs. Newsweek needs to get its facts right and stop editorializing at a slant. The Mormon church did not give more than a couple thousand dollars to the Yes on 8 campaign. It was good people throughout California, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, and many other states, that donated the millions of dollars in contributions to get the measure passed - a measure which, by the way, passed 7 years ago by an overwhelming majority but was wrongly overturned by an activist judge against the obvious will of the people. Let's not forget that it was the people of California who voted on the measure and passed Prop 8, not any church or organization.

  • Posted By: David in Dallas @ 12/10/2008 10:33:18 AM

    HRC is passe now. Their "elite" representatives show up a political events, kissing butt wherever they go. But they never seem to get their hands dirty like Act Up and other activist groups did for us. I'm unconvinced that the now-generation, better known as the me-generation, has the will to park their BMWs, leave their cocktail parties and disco balls and swarm into the street risking a police officer's wrath. Sometimes I think we are the sissies that the straight world calls us.

    • Posted By: Tom in Milwaukee @ 12/10/2008 11:03:38 AM

      Hilarious, yes... but spot on. HRC has been ineffective and is entirely too passive -- to careful -- to receive any of my future financial support.

    • Posted By: Progressive American @ 12/10/2008 10:41:07 AM

      that probally one of the most hilarious comments on this page.

  • Posted By: michelle.e001 @ 12/10/2008 10:27:51 AM

    I have another question: Why isn't anyone outraged about the exclusion and daily discrimination of those who are ex-offenders? This is the most discriminated group - I don't care what anyone says! For instance, gay people without a criminal record can get hired in no matter what. But ex-offenders? Most want to do the right thing and have honest employment. Upon applying for jobs, most don't even get a chance to get to first base - they're just told, 'we'll call you', or this oh-so uppity comment, "we've found someone more qualified" - a code phrase that says, you're type isn't welcome her'. How about people getting outraged at that?!!

    • Posted By: Progressive American @ 12/10/2008 10:30:21 AM

      I hope you are joking. Sex offenders are the worst kind of people.

      • Posted By: ducdebrabant @ 12/10/2008 10:45:06 AM

        The reference was not to sex-offenders but to ex-offenders. I presume that means anybody with a criminal record of any kind.

      • Posted By: David in Dallas @ 12/10/2008 10:40:45 AM

        And what is a "Sex offender"? A (highly professional) friend of mine was (I feel) entrapped by a handsome officer. My friend now reports to a probation officer for the 10th year. His photo is on the internet as a sex offender. Innocent or guilty, readers take this to mean pedophile. He constantly gets rejected for jobs after interviews that were stellar and for which he is highly qualified. But, America is still the land of "The Scarlet Letter". Forgiveness has long been forgotten.

        • Posted By: Progressive American @ 12/10/2008 10:43:48 AM

          I'm absolutely referring to pedophiles. Those people disgust me.

      • Posted By: ducdebrabant @ 12/10/2008 10:42:10 AM

        I believe the reference is to anybody with a criminal record, not specifically to sex offender. EX, not SEX.

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 12/10/2008 9:44:33 AM

    if only we could all move beyond superstition, these kind of issues wouldn't exist. grow up people, you already know there's no Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.

    • Posted By: whatever77 @ 12/10/2008 10:01:30 AM

      What does that mean??

      • Posted By: Minneapolitian @ 12/10/2008 10:36:48 AM

        It means that your "god" is a fairy tale, no different than the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or Samantha Stephens from Bewitched. Using a fairy tale to repress an entire segment of the population is the true "sin" here.

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