Multiculturalism at it's best. This is just the beginning
Multiculturalism at it's best. This is just the beginning
Are you suggesting that Hitler was right after all?
Typical slime-ball Democratic behavior, just like Obama.
Obama can bomb the vatican, kill all the pandas and whales on the planet, raise taxes on the poor, and have sex with 20 interns and will still be a saint next to George W dumba$$.
Really? He would Really be better than Bush if he did all of those things? You are the poster child for the Electoral College with thought out intellectual statements like that.
Let's get it straight, that is intellectual humor. It is a metaphor for how fukd and gross and an embarassment the Bush presidency was/is. Anybody that supports Bush in my mind is a fuking moron.
Did you take what I wrote literally? I hope not, that would be like believing in only to shades pole, black and white, and nothing in between. Gave me a good laugh though, hope you were being funny...
Man's post was too lame to be an effort at funny.
Ya, no substance, just a little pitiful attempt at something...
Pitiful yes, but a little too flaccid to call it an attempt.
Wishin' don't make it so, der. Interesting too, that the slimeball and smear tactic is still being employed after the Rs conducted the most slimeball, corrupt campaign I've ever seen in 40 years of watching....
Is you da pot, or is you da kettle?
Your side lost, hippie.
I remember you from before, you were one of those idiots that spewed and disappeared. Kind that comes up from behind and hits you and runs. Cut and runner...
I love how they are rewriting history to make him look good, the Bush legacy:)
Let me tell those people and Bush something. If GWB in the next couple of weeks solved world hunger, cured AIDS, created a vehicle that gets 200 miles to a gallon and runs on water, and rid this world of hunger, he would still owe Santa 33000 gifts. And the church 16000 hail mary's, ooppps he is not a catholic, I mean ne would need 15000 backwords dunks in teh pool wearing a 3 piece suit.
Basically, things are only going to look worse as more in uncovered. Good luck with the legacy thing. Maybe you should show his baby pictures or something.
This whole scandal is just ridiculous. Why Blagojevich thought that he could get a way with anything. Just from the looks of him he looks like a schemer. I don't think he fully understands the ramifications that this has had on the state of Illinois, Barack Obama, and Blagojevich's own family. I would be utterly embarrassed. I feel so sorrry that his wife and children have to deal with this. This just shows you that politicians are full of corruption. I'm just gald that Barack Obama and none of his team had anything to do with this creep. If the government could impeach President Clinton just because he had sex with a woman, most definantley they can impeach this man for scheming the system as best he could with the peoples money. i'm telling you and it's a true fact, everything that is done in the dark will come to light.
Yeah Obama knows nothing about ANYTHING in Chicago....yeah right.
I prefer to use a broad brush. So much easier to smear that way.
Mix in some denail and a lot of ignorance and it smears really well...
Mix in that denial and ignorance and it breeds really well too!
Hear Hear!
Sure he does, suer he knows a lot about it, how could he not? Good thing, because we need people with experience in government corruption that have the balls to fight it at the national level.
Good point! Though you were trying to say something more prejudice, or prejudging. Lets talk about Bush. We really need tohold some people accountable for their roles in 'known' corruption and scandals before we get to the point of prejudging somebody's motivations.
I fhind it interesting that Fineman didn't bother to mention that Blagojavich launched into an obscene rant about how Obama only offered to give him "appreciation" for appointing one of Obama's preferred choices for his Senate seat. Despite this resounding proof that Obama conducts himself in an ethical manner, Fineman wants to pretend that rather than simply acting in accordance with his own ethical principles, Obama was merely being clever in avoiding an entanglement with Blagojavich.
Fineman apparenlty want to "keep hope alive" that the corporate media can still somehow tie Obama to this juicy scandal even though Patrick Fitzgerald'd wiretap evidence of Obama's strong ethics must have profoundly disappointed him.
As for Jesse Jackson Jr., whom Fineman refers to demeaningly as "Junior" -- Blagojavich's comments are potentially damaging (and not just more of the phony scandal-mongering they try to smear Obama with). However, the media is glossing over the fact that Blago said only that Jackson's alleged emissary said only that Jackson would work to raise campaign funds for Blago, NOT pay him money in exchange for a Senate appointment. That sounds like merely politics rather than a crime.
"resounding proof "...LOL!! Good one!!
You're laughing on the outside, but I;ll bet you're crying on the inside about how Blago cursed out Obama for not playing ball rather than saying something incriminating. Obama is just not giving the right wing haters much to work with, which makes them hate him even more.
Nope just laughing at you....sorry!
There's no explaining what a pinhead will laugh at.
Guess not....sort of bugs you doesn't it?? LOL!!
Yeah, pinheads bug me. You must be so proud.
LOL!! This is just too easy......
Squak!
More and more its looking like what he wants is a vacant Senate seat.The ACORN doesn't fall far from the tree.Do pardon the pun.
Maybe they can wait until Cheney is available. He can 'run' the senate again. Or how about the 'golly gee, darn it' lady, the one with a bible in one hand and dagger in the other. Maybe she can get the seat:)
I'm thinkin' that tart is going to need a few more raptures and exorcisms before she could be Cheney good.
How appropriate that someone calling themselves "whatisreal" posts gibberish that is real only to themselves.Sarah Palin didn't run anywhere with either a Bible or a dagger in her hands. What she did was defeat and prosecute scum like Bago in Alaska. No...I'm afraid that the Senate seat from Illinois will require another living breathing patronage peddling Democrat so its only a matter of which one can finance the appointment best.After his highly successful business career, Jesse Jr no doubt has plenty of cash on hand for this purpose.
Are you a Bush supporter? If so, that may explain it. I used metaphore, do you know what that is? Jesus used metaphore, every day people use it to get points across. Some don't get it, some are sorta in the shallow end of the pool, if you get my meaning... Ooops, you won't get that, I used metaphore again... Nevermind...
Whatisreal? HAs a question mark, it is a question about what is real, and what is talk or politics, or what matters. I didn't see substance in Palan and absolutely saw her as the only card that would have brough along the base of the GOP (Grossely Outoftouch Party)
Don't care about Jesse, or any corrupt politician, no matter the color or affiliation. I just thought it was funny how SPalin didn't know what the vice president does in terms of the senate, and I thought she was a perfect attack dog as a vp candidate. She did not show me anything that was even cloase to having her i charge of the geratest country in the world. She represented to "me" another unqualified individual that is put up there to bring along the sheep that are hypnotized by out of touch evengelical leaders who run congregations and make a ton of money and love the power.
So being a religious person, a Christian and being on the attack and saying the things she said were contradictions with her supposed beliefs. When you mix religion and politics you get, well, politics.
So I have issues with the older evangelicals that are out of touch and have hijacked in a sense the GOP. The younger ones are getting a clue, but some of the older ones in power are a thing of the past. As far as the Dems, i think they have been pretty spineless in many ways, and are disappoinments in many areas.
If you supported Palin you did it for your own reasons, and I am sure those reasons had nothing to do with qualifications outside of something idealistic. I think ideals are great, but there has to be substance and 'truth' behind them and accountability and a genuiness, and brains, and knowlege of the world around us. Sorry your bar was set too low for the rest of this country...
One further point I would like to make. The fact that you did not see 'whatiseral?" as a question goes to this point. I am not sure many conservatives can help themselves in areas of understanding metaphore, as opposed to the black and white on the page. It seems that so many times ersponses from many conservatives just can't read between the lines and missed somethiing as simple as a question mark. I thijnk it is a physiological difference in many cases.
The crazy thing that makes me rethink what I am saying here is many conservatives are of the Chrsitian faith, and Jesus used metaphore and parables to make points about life and God, for his followers to understand. Yet, so much is missed by conservatives beyond what is written on the page. Well, I shouldl expand that, many people miss a lot, including myself, but It is an ironic thing to be conservative and Christian to me where you see the word and take the approach that it is the written words, and we should not think where the write was coming from, only what he said. And when that does not fit, change course to make it fit into your belief system.
It is all a mystery, and a paradox, and I struggle to understand it. In terms of PAlin, how this 'fine' Christain woman can be an attack dog for the GOP. Politics and religion=politics. And I assure you, I know that Jesus would not really think that was all that great. He did not like that at all, his message was against all of that...
Not that I have any answers, but the impression I have gotten on these sites is that there are as many 'Christians' on both sides. I just don't see nonright wing Christians being so bloated with hate, prejudice, judgmentalism and certitude that all 'others' are bad by definition. The radical pseudo 'Christians' are all on the right. (You are right that those precepts and attitudes have nothing to do with Christ, and therefore they really are not deserving to call themselves 'Christians'.) The mentality of right wing Rs and religiofascists coincide to my eyes.
P.S. Checkin' out cuz this sat link's going even slower now. Easy, whatis...
There are absolutely Christians on both sides, and I have many friends that aer Christians on both sides. They have stayed frioends though becuase they are not hypocrates, or think they are the moral majority. They are realists, and do not think beyond their faith as eing a personal relationship with their God. And I respect them in that...
I'm tired of JJ, Jr. already. Want him in the slammer if he's guilty. But I don't know if I'll ever get enough of Sarah. There's so much to choose from. I was particularly pleased to find out, that while she was trying to slam Obama's integrity, she had already taken all the bridge to nowhere federal tax earmark funds when she got up there and looked us in the eye (maybe that's what the winking was for) and told us all that she had told Congress no thanks. Then there's all that per diem money she takes for working from home. I could go on about her many virtues....
Might have ignored the Sarah subject here but for that little ACORN gratuity...
Whatisreal? HAs a question mark, it is a question about what is real, and what is talk or politics, or what matters. I didn't see substance in Palan and absolutely saw her as the only card that would have brough along the base of the GOP (Grossely Outoftouch Party)
Don't care about Jesse, or any corrupt politician, no matter the color or affiliation. I just thought it was funny how SPalin didn't know what the vice president does in terms of the senate, and I thought she was a perfect attack dog as a vp candidate. She did not show me anything that was even cloase to having her i charge of the geratest country in the world. She represented to "me" another unqualified individual that is put up there to bring along the sheep that are hypnotized by out of touch evengelical leaders who run congregations and make a ton of money and love the power.
So being a religious person, a Christian and being on the attack and saying the things she said were contradictions with her supposed beliefs. When you mix religion and politics you get, well, politics.
So I have issues with the older evangelicals that are out of touch and have hijacked in a sense the GOP. The younger ones are getting a clue, but some of the older ones in power are a thing of the past. As far as the Dems, i think they have been pretty spineless in many ways, and are disappoinments in many areas.
If you supported Palin you did it for your own reasons, and I am sure those reasons had nothing to do with qualifications outside of something idealistic. I think ideals are great, but there has to be substance and 'truth' behind them and accountability and a genuiness, and brains, and knowlege of the world around us. Sorry your bar was set too low for the rest of this country...
I'm tired of JJ, Jr. already. Want him in the slammer if he's guilty. But I don't know if I'll ever get enough of Sarah. There's so much to choose from. I was particularly pleased to find out, that while she was trying to slam Obama's integrity, she had already taken all the bridge to nowhere federal tax earmark funds when she got up there and looked us in the eye (maybe that's what the winking was for) and told us all that she had told Congress no thanks. Then there's all that per diem money she takes for working from home. I could go on about her many virtues....
Might have ignored the Sarah subject here but for that little ACORN gratuity...
Am I the only one out there cynical enough to believe that this is how everything works "in the political world"? Blago was just stupid enough to put into words what everyone else, in his position thinks & does all the time
"Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 12/10/2008 5:58:52 PMTypical slime-ball Democratic behavior, just like Obama."
SJ, made to order idiot!
Report Abuse Reply Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/10/2008 7:44:53 PMI remember you from before, you were one of those idiots that spewed and disappeared. Kind that comes up from behind and hits you and runs. Cut and runner...
Report Abuse Reply Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/10/2008 7:38:19 PMI love how they are rewriting history to make him look good, the Bush legacy:)
Let me tell those people and Bush something. If GWB in the next couple of weeks solved world hunger, cured AIDS, created a vehicle that gets 200 miles to a gallon and runs on water, and rid this world of hunger, he would still owe Santa 33000 gifts. And the church 16000 hail mary's, ooppps he is not a catholic, I mean ne would need 15000 backwords dunks in teh pool wearing a 3 piece suit.
Basically, things are only going to look worse as more in uncovered. Good luck with the legacy thing. Maybe you should show his baby pictures or something.
Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/10/2008 7:35:22 PMObama can bomb the vatican, kill all the pandas and whales on the planet, raise taxes on the poor, and have sex with 20 interns and will still be a saint next to George W dumba$$.
In other words Obama could he Bill Clinton II. I sure hope not we don't need another lying perjuror in office. America deserves good govt. but look at Illinois one crook after another 5 governors criminally charged this 1/2 centtury. Aren't there any dece people to run in that state.
I hope that Obama is not one of those, becase we certainly don't need corruption or incompetence that we got with Bush and Nixon.
God save us from that! For a little context, when Nixon had Archibald Cox fired in the Saturday Night Massacre, I was actually contemplating the possibility of the need to take up arms if Nixon bunkered down further....
I was like a pre-teen so it probably would have been my pellet gun or my 20 guage shotgun.
If he was Clinton 2 he would be about a million times better than the piece of SHT administration that fukd us over for the last 8 years. The Bush administration goes down in history as one of the most inept and incompetent, and corrupt. There is nothing anybody of reason could say to change that, and pushing clinton out there and making comparisons is a slap in the face to thinking people.
There is no president beyond Nixon who you can use to compare.
Had my issues with Clinton, over White Water even moreso than the perjury over BJs, But I certainly agree with your Clinton vs. Bush comparison.
Jackson't father? Well, he will run out to the airport, pickup and scare a kid to death.
Please note, five weeks after the 11/4 general election victory, the Dem. party has lost three election races in the south, one of which involves an indicted Dem. Congressman william jefferson , plus the arrest of a Dem.. governor of their key state: Illinois, the land of Lincoln or land of Capone ?
Chicago is more corrupt than Alaske, Yippee!
And yes the Dems took over washington becuase the GOP and Bush fukd us over, and over, and over. We can blame them for the Dems current position in power. Yu can blame the GOP for being so out of touch and for never changing with the times. You can blame the Bush admin and their supporters for putting some kooky ideals that never realy exisited befoer accoutability and competence.
Yes, the dems are in control, and if they are half as corrupt and incompetent as the Bush puppet then that wil be a real win for this country.
Agree with you on all this. Not to minimize Obama's obvious intellect and talents, but it is significant to me that the repulsion from Bush was so great as to overcome all the racism and get a mixed race person elected.
Maybe we should put up a scoreboard. Should we start with Nixon and Anew? Or should we start will 11/4/2000? Your point is?
Dear 40YearR
You do have a very long memory, but a very selective one.
Btw, what was your point in your original post?
I only posted because yours was selective. I'm a generalist, preferring the broad view. But I also recognize that yours pertained to the subject of the article.
That "press conference" Jackson gave was probably the most bloviated, arrogant, self-righteous, strident, irritating, uncharismatic public speaking I've ever seen.
The guy comes across as massively full of himself. And his story that someone offered the governor money for Jesse Jr. without Jr.'s knowledge is completely laughable.
I hope Illinois voters or legislators or whoever picks the new Senator can see that Jackson would carry with him the taint of this mess in a really arrogant package if he were Senator. Look elsewhere for your new Senator, Illinois!
"Bloviated". How apropos.
"Yes, Obama was an early supporter and adviser in 2002, when Blago first ran for governor and Obama was positioning himself to run for U.S. Senate in 2004. Yes, Obama allies Rahm Emanuel and David Wilhelm (but not David Axelrod) did work on that campaign."
How is that "keeping his distance?"
Did Obama know that he was going to corrupt the office, before he even got elected?
It's not racial to most...It's Illinois politics! Those of you who cry the racial foul at the first question of impropriety, why is it not racial when Bush is questioned, or LBJ, or Nixon? They are of a particular race, too! I can tell, just from your comments, what your feelings are. Cry the racial foul, then you won't have to try and defend their actual accomplishments, or lack thereof. What has Jr. done to deserve the seat? Do you know? Do you even care?
I remember what kind of man his daddy was in the 60's and 70's and still is, but I don't think that has anything to do with race. I just think he is scum!!!!
"Those of you who cry the racial foul at the first question of impropriety, why is it not racial when Bush is questioned, or LBJ, or Nixon? "
Because they had actually occupied the oval office at the time that they were questioned. Consider:
1. Obama hasn't even taken office yet.
2. The FBI has stated that Obama is not a suspect, and they do not expect him to be one.
3. Blago was angry because Obama wouldn't play ball.
Yet we have many people here convinced that Obama was involved, despite their being no evidence whatsoever that he was (and in fact the evidence that DOES exist is exculpatory with respect to Obama), in fact one knuckle-dragger was praying that Obama's WIFE be indicted.
What other explanation is there?
They're 'convinced' only 'cause they're wishin' so hard.
Ignorant predjudice freaks...
As a neophyte, I truly am surprised how many ignorant freaks there are...
Ignorant predjudice freaks...
I do not understand why the press have to drag President-elect obama into this mess. This is the doing of a crooked politician. Even Mr. Obama knows this, that is why he did not invited Gov. Blagojevich during the election eve celebration in Grant Park nor did he appointed him to any cabinet post. Mr. Obama already distance hinself from this crook before Gov. Blagojevich was indicted.
I do not understand why the press have to drag President-elect obama into this mess.
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The press is trying to compensate for covering up all of the scandals of the criminal Bush regime by inventing bogus scandals to smear Obama with.
Let's get one things straight. The press are oportunists and are sharks waiting for some meat and it does not mattter who it is or what party it is, they want tabloid crp to propogate and rerun until it wears us out, then feed us some more tabloid. Any story, whether truthful or not, doesn't matter if it gets ratings.
Unfortunately most of the perss was afraid of Bush, and did not want to end up like ABC. Spineless jelly fish...
Howzit whatis, I agree with you on the tabloid aspect. I am just glad that some real, relevant info comes out that probably, dare I say certainly, would not come out but for the press.
Agreed. That whole press world of who is real and who is not and the whole mess would take several tomes. I see it as the focus is more on what sells today, as opposed to real investigatory journalism. The probem is there are not many accountable, and the issue goes way beyond the press into the culture of America, and it's dumbing down over time.
Don't know if you were around at the time, but Nixon was a triump of investigative journalism.
It was also, apparently, the LAST investigative journalism.
Nah, they're investigatin' their little hearts out. Some good books on what happened in Afghanista and Iraq too. Then there was that recent article here on the full field R lobbying blitz against rejulation of the mortgage industry too. That one did my heart good after the total email propaganda blitz to try to blame the financial collapse on the Dems that we have seen recapitulated in so many blogs here, at least until that article!
I definitely get you there whatis, and agree. Unfortunately, those who need it dumbed down or thrive on fluff outnumber the rest of us. As they say, democracy is messy...
"I do not understand why the press have to drag President-elect obama into this mess."
Notwithstanding the ongoing theme of the right that the press is biased, I have always thought the press goes wherever they can to try to find news. At least, this tends to undercut that bias charge.
I prefer a vigilant and inquisitive press. Many good things have come out of that, despite all the kerfluffle too.
Nobody said he was stupid....
It is clear, from reading about the governor of Illinois and his wife, they are corrupt and have no business in government. Give this kind of people a bit of power and they use it for the good of THEMSELVES rather than the people's. Greedy and selfish, foul-mouthed, and corrupt to the core. That so-called governor MUST do the right thing for the State of Illinois and its resident: he MUST resign immediately. Neither this guy or his wife deserve to reside in the governor's mansion at the expense of the taxpayers. As for Jessie Jackson Jr., I don't know about him; why would he have the need for a lawyer? I mean, he wasted NO time at all in obtaining his attorney. If this article is correct, it appears Jessie Jr. expects to be selected for the senate seat because he is Jessie Jackson and has WANTED this seat all along. Would he want this seat to the exten of "at any cost"? I just don't know.
Resignation would take character. He's still busy trying to find out what he can get out of it.
I wrote this:
Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/10/2008 7:35:22 PMObama can bomb the vatican, kill all the pandas and whales on the planet, raise taxes on the poor, and have sex with 20 interns and will still be a saint next to George W dumba$$.
And got this response:
Report Abuse Reply Posted By: AmericanMan63 @ 12/11/2008 9:51:22 AMReally? He would Really be better than Bush if he did all of those things? You are the poster child for the Electoral College with thought out intellectual statements like that.
Is there anybody besides this funny guy who gets it?? I thought I needed to post this at the top of the list of my all time strange responses that I just didn't understand. MAybe somebody can help me???
I got it. Thanks
Whew! I was beginning to think I was in an alternative parallel universe. Appreciate your neighborly response:)
This IS an alternative parallel universe. Fortunately there are some nondelusionals here too... I am just as relieved and grateful as you are!
Good to see you here:)
Glad to be. Still struggling with glacially slow 'highspeed' sat link, though. Btw, been meaning to say that I've enjoyed and appreciated your posts since I came into this NW scene. Keep on keepin' on....
Feel the same, thanks:)
Illinois politics make headline AGAIN. Chicago mayor Daley and Cook County president Todd Stroger will be next.
Get them all!
I should say Obama worked with Blago's campaign in 2002.
America worked with Saddam Hussein in the Iran Iraq war. Buchanan worked for Nixon. I can go on for hte next few lifetimes. So what are you really trying to say? Before we start spreading tabloid rumors, or prejuding, can we please sticjk with the current president and hold it accountable. There are some "real" issues there, and some heads need to role. Please quit playing stupid ignorant politics, unless that is what you do for a living. Then you should get a raise!
Sure would like to see some accountability re current prez and crew, that's for sure.
I'm not quite convinced yet on that 'raise', though...
America worked with Saddam Hussein in the Iran Iraq war. Buchanan worked for Nixon. I can go on for hte next few lifetimes. So what are you really trying to say? Before we start spreading tabloid rumors, or prejuding, can we please sticjk with the current president and hold it accountable. There are some "real" issues there, and some heads need to role. Please quit playing stupid ignorant politics, unless that is what you do for a living. Then you should get a raise!
Yes. It is so useful to continue the 'association' theme.
Re Blago: It amazes me that people allow themselves to be manipulated by their biases to accept, vote for and even support these individuals, never questioning the obvious personality and character shortfalls and instead even faulting quality candidates who just don???t match their personal biases, and then they become shocked and offended by the resulting performance and problems as if they shouldn???t have expected it. Voters really need to be more objective and rational, checking their biases, prejudices and emotional attachments, before attempting to discern which individual will truly do the best job. That probably could be better achieved by more honestly independent thinking voters and less by those who are aligned with some predetermined bias. The candidate???s personality and character really does matter, for sure more than what they say and very likely even more than who supports them. For one thing, we really need to stop electing these sociopaths.
If Jesse Jr. isn't complicit, I'm glad. If he is, he'd better hope no recordings were made. Jesse Jr. may be alright but his press conference with no questions from the floor left me wondering.
Wasn't pretty was it?
interesting Blagojevich comes out after the election, Stevens before. Both are crooks... but in different parties.
I will say it again. We need viable third and fourth parties like they have in grown up countries like Canada and Germany, etc.
We need Competition. with the press in this country as the mouth piece for the Democratic party.. we will soon be like the USSR and currently Russia. Reading Newsweak and Tyme is like reading Pravda.
"interesting Blagojevich comes out after the election, Stevens before. Both are crooks... but in different parties."
Gotta be a conspiracy in there somewhere, but help me with how this one works, ok?
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