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  • Posted By: elrod509 @ 12/12/2008 12:06:26 PM

    Ayn Rand and Objectivism hold that the only legitimate function of the government of any country is to protect the individual rights of its citizens. It does so is by the legal means of force and coersion. At bottom, these are the only tools governments anywhere have to carry out their activities. In a free society they are used to protect the productive activities of its citizens. Governments cannot produce anything. Their support comes strictlyfrom the producers of society, the businessmen and the working men and women whose property goes, voluntarily or involuntarily, toward that end. What the US government is doing now is what it has done for nearly 100 years via the manipulations of the Fed, various "bailouts" subsidies enacted by congress and supported by the other branches of the government, welfare programs, use of the law of eminent domain, etc. Like all other governments of the world, it is doing what governments to best---destroy. Only, it is aiming its destructive power, not at an enemy invader, not at at criminal gangs, but at the very pillars of civilization. Producers have gone along with this process for generations, and taken on burden after burden piled on them through taxes and inflation. It is a dead-end road, at the end of which lies only destruction. Ayn Rand warned of this over 50 years ago in her epic novel, "Atlas Shrugged." It is happening today.

    • Posted By: DOuG pRATt @ 12/12/2008 12:15:37 PM

      Ayn Rand was a romance novelist who aspired to be a political philosopher. Here's a passage from "The Fountainhead" where Dominique first sees Howard:

      She saw his mouth and the silent contempt in the shape of his mouth; the planes of his gaunt, hollow cheeks; the cold, pure brilliance of the eyes that had no trace of pity. She knew it was the most beautiful face she would ever see, because it was the abstraction of strength made visible. She felt a convulsion of anger, of protest, of resistance ??? and of pleasure.

      He stood looking up at her; it was not a glance, but an act of ownership. She thought she must let her face give him the answer he deserved. But she was looking, instead, at the stone dusty on his burned arms, the wet shirt clinging to his ribs. The lines of his long legs. She was thinking of those statues of men she had always sought; she was wondering what he would look like naked.

      Pure college girl romance writing.

      • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 3:55:34 PM

        Ever read Ayn Rand's non-fictional works? Introduction to objectivist epistemology, for example?

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/12/2008 5:08:48 PM

          Elitist mannerisms like yours only creates more Republican extremists.

          • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 7:09:32 PM

            How's that?

            • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/14/2008 5:49:02 PM

              The very fact that you can ask that question . How can so much ignorance exist in one place?

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/12/2008 4:30:32 PM

          Utter tripe.

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/12/2008 9:38:14 PM

            The very fact that you can ask that question

          • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 7:11:34 PM

            Quote at least one, and with reasoning please. One meaningless sentence like the above is not accepted :o)

  • Posted By: Slow Burn @ 12/12/2008 3:19:27 PM

    dobrologist,
    Rand's central premises are so challenging to some of the basic assumptions almost everyone is brought up on, that many feel threatened and simply attack. Altruism, which she identifies as evil and destrutive, is implicit in both religious doctrine and the secular vaguely collectivist fashions which permeate the intellectual mainstream. The psychological difficulty of overthrowing ideas so basic to our world view is impossible to overestimate, particularly if these ideas are not questioned until full adulthood when attitudes harden almost into stone. The logic may be irrefutable, but one cannot force a mind to follow logically where it simply refuses to go. One of Rand's most important insights is that human consciousness is volitional.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/12/2008 4:27:01 PM

      "Rand's central premises are so challenging to some of the basic assumptions almost everyone is brought up on, that many feel threatened and simply attack."

      Actually, we attack because her puerile jabberings are beneath contempt.

      • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 6:39:38 PM

        No, you attack because you are a pathetic collectivist and are scared to death of personal responsibility and accountability that Rand's philosophy champions.You are part of the system that feeds on talents and industry of productive people, and instead of giving them credit, you want to tax them and regulate them and make them share the wealth that they built with the pathetic looser like you. You are afraid of self-reliance and freedom, and truly humane ethics of objectivism. You have nothing of value to contribute to this discussion except dumb phraseology.

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/14/2008 5:47:15 PM

          If you had any confidence in your stance you would not need to resort to such tactics. Your a walking hypocrasy.

      • Posted By: djr_nw @ 12/12/2008 5:24:03 PM

        If you are so anti-Rand, surely you can point to some fundamental of her's and instruct us all on its flaws.

      • Posted By: lb81696 @ 12/12/2008 5:17:20 PM

        I'm missing something. If they are beneath contempt then shouldn't you be ignoring it instead of responding to it?

  • Posted By: thrashertm @ 12/14/2008 5:31:34 PM


    I am reading Atlas Shrugged right now, and it is eerie to see how we are heading down that path. The government's attempt to force an Auto Czar parralel's the book's Economic Unification Board. The more the "geniuses" in Washington regulate, the more they disrupt the exchange of goods and services that is a free market.

    The MSM is playing the big government statists tune that free markets are to blame for this mess. Unfortunately, the average guillible American will believe this drivel. The bureaucrats play on people's fears to justify their cushy jobs with unlimited pensions; they are the worst kind of parasites. They will use this crisis to increase their power, and increase their meddling, making the problem worse, and then increasing their power.

    God save America from herself.

  • Posted By: DelicateMonster @ 12/10/2008 9:55:29 PM

    Libertarianism--almost as good as believing in Santa Claus around Christmas time, isn't it? This moron is an embarassment to a national magazine. He should be shunted off to the far corners of a very very marginalized blog somewhere safe from impressionable childre-- say instapundit or somewhere else equally dubious.

    No doubt the damage is already done, as there are a lot of children who desire nothing more than that the 'natural' state of the 'market' will take care of everything. And when it doesn't of course, they just claim, it wasn't 'natural' enough!

    Here's a quote to sleep on::

    Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy.
    --Wendell Berry

    If you want a full critique of the myth called libertarianism click <a href=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/22/19035/815>An Explication of The Poetic Myth of Libertarianism</a>

    • Posted By: lb81696 @ 12/14/2008 2:54:53 PM

      Ayn Rand specifically and Objectivists in general are no friends of Libertarians, so you may talk about them all you like and you will be saying nothing about his article. If those in this blog believe so much in collectivism then you should all be very happy come January 20th. You will have collectivism such as this country has not seen since the days of FDR.

      I would just like to remind everyone who so strongly disagrees with Ayn Rand, the main theme of her novels and non-fiction is that man should think, act and be responsible for himself and those whom he cares. If you truly believe that the government can do a better job at regulating your life than you can, then that is sad.

      But while wanting these protections against your own decisions, please leave me (and people like me who trust themselves more than they trust any buearocrat) alone so we may prosper.

  • Posted By: jcruml @ 12/14/2008 10:21:49 AM

    It sounds as though the Ayn Rand institute should look at the history of the Roman Empire beginning at the time of AD 476 until the middle ages. The height of that period was around AD 534. This time period was the only time that pure objectivism was fully realized. Pure free market capitalism (unregulated) will affect society and the environment the same way as in a post nuclear war aftermath. However, the only thing that will be missing would be the radiation and charred material (ashes, melted sands and vaporized metal); the blighting would be identical.

    • Posted By: BarackObamaJefferson @ 12/14/2008 2:44:32 PM

      Wrong. There was no free market back then.

      There is no free market when we are slaves to chaotic energy sources.

      There is no free market when our currency is devalued via massive Keynesianism.

      The potential of the individual is far greater than your socialistic dreams. For it is the individual that will eliminate our dependency on fragmented energy. It is the individual who knows best how to govern within his family and his community.

      Natural religion, as Jesus taught, was intended to teach us to govern ourselves.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/14/2008 2:33:38 PM

      Judging by the nonsensical comparison you gave hear, you have less than vague concept of objectivism. Have you ever tried to read " Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology?

  • Posted By: BarackObamaJefferson @ 12/14/2008 2:38:54 PM

    80 cents of every dollar you spend goes towards energy.

    Chaotic, fragmented and inefficient energy.

    War is a function of fractional reserve banking.

    We don't need fiat currencies. We need coherent energy technologies.

  • Posted By: MikeM777 @ 12/13/2008 10:54:43 AM

    "the primary cause of the housing bubble was the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates at 1 percent in 2003."

    Wrong! Problem is not the low interest rate. Problem is with loans with high default rates, especially when securitized throughout financial system mutiple times and mis-valued. Just another form of Ponzi scheme by the financial industry. Thus the core problem is inadequate regulation. Financial stability, like all 'games,' depends on appropriate rules--that means government regulation. I suppose the viciously ruthless and free-market idealogues prefer the law of the wild.

    • Posted By: djr_nw @ 12/14/2008 12:40:29 PM

      I thought a lot of defaults happened when the low ARM rates reset to their higher rates. Point being, if not for the low intro rate, would so many people have had the wherewithal to purchase the house that the later would be forced to abandon?

    • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:52:21 PM

      Mike, you should read Xelloss' comment above. If you have already, read it again. And if you're still teetering on the fence...well, the answer won't get any more clear.

  • Posted By: JohnInAustin @ 12/11/2008 11:48:02 PM

    It???s terrifying to learn that any intellectually respected leader actually believes the ridiculously shallow individualism of Ayn Rand. It makes the Bushite ideologues seem like rigorous thinkers.

    Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan???s admiration of Rand???s Objectivist philosophy was apparently widely known to the press and the financial community. That it was not widely publicized and scrutinized is dismaying, even to this old cynic.

    Like Orwell???s 1984, Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead were reactive parodies of hideous collectivism. Unfortunately, unlike Orwell, Ayn Rand didn???t recognize her one-dimensional characters were parody. She believed her works were serious philosophy.

    Her characters Howard Roark, Hand Rearden and John Gault were idealized lone genius creators. They appealed to me, perhaps appropriately, in my adolescence. But, neither they nor Ayn Rand acknowledged any cultural or historical debt for their achievements.

    To my mind, the logical extension of Rand???s Objectivism is a kind of cultural survivalism. Get the government out of the way, and everything will be owned not by those who create it, but by those with guns.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 1:20:44 AM

      Old cynic? Well, then your opinion is skewed by your cynicism.. Cynicism is intellectual sloth. In all fairness you are spiritually dead. Who cares about a dead man's opinion?

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/12/2008 10:24:29 PM

        "In all fairness you are spiritually dead. Who cares about a dead man's opinion?"

        Spoken like someone who only gives a crap about themselves. A proud moment for your and your kind.

        • Posted By: skysi @ 12/13/2008 10:40:23 PM

          Typical liberal nonsense. Do you even know what caring about yourself or others mean? I mean apart from the mainstream notions that everybody repeats but few really understand.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/12/2008 4:34:08 PM

      "It???s terrifying to learn that any intellectually respected leader actually believes the ridiculously shallow individualism of Ayn Rand. It makes the Bushite ideologues seem like rigorous thinkers"

      Yes, but eventually they graduate from college and grow up.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 8:25:04 AM

      Do you mean like how government owns everything with gun now?

  • Posted By: Zemack @ 12/13/2008 8:54:38 PM

    The introduction to this interview states that Ayn Rand was ???anti-government???. This is one of many fallacies believed about her philosophy. Far from being anti-government, Rand understood that government is vital to the very existence of a free society???i.e., one based upon individual rights. That is because its proper, indispensable role is to protect man???s unalienable individual rights to life, liberty, and property under a set of objective laws (a government of laws and not of men, which includes strong anti-fraud laws and enforcement of contracts). This was understood by the Founding Fathers. Without government, no civilized society is possible. It is against a government that steps outside the bounds of protecting rights that Rand???and the Founders???stood opposed to. One can read Rand???s position on individual rights and government and see for himself. Those essays are available at the sight of the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights.

    http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_writings

    Can Ayn Rand survive the financial crisis? Ayn Rand has yet to be discovered by most people???and is deliberately misrepresented or at least misunderstood by her detractors. The era of Ayn Rand, if there is to be one, is still ahead of us.

  • Posted By: Zemack @ 12/13/2008 8:52:38 PM

    The introduction to this interview states that Ayn Rand was ???anti-government???. This is one of many fallacies believed about her philosophy. Far from being anti-government, Rand understood that government is vital to the very existence of a free society???i.e., one based upon individual rights. That is because its proper, indispensable role is to protect man???s unalienable individual rights to life, liberty, and property under a set of objective laws (a government of laws and not of men, which includes strong anti-fraud laws and enforcement of contracts). This was understood by the Founding Fathers. Without government, no civilized society is possible. It is against a government that steps outside the bounds of protecting rights that Rand???and the Founders???stood opposed to. One can read Rand???s position on individual rights and government and see for himself. Those essays are available at the sight of the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights.

    http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_writings

    Can Ayn Rand survive the financial crisis? Ayn Rand has yet to be discovered by most people???and is deliberately misrepresented or at least misunderstood by her detractors. The era of Ayn Rand, if there is to be one, is still ahead of us.

  • Posted By: ok4u @ 12/13/2008 8:44:47 PM

    Newsweek interviews an interlligen source. There is hope for change we can believe in, after all!

  • Posted By: daplane @ 12/11/2008 7:51:53 AM

    I do not understand how or why people have gotten it into their head that the current crisis has anything to do with the free market.
    The US economy is about as close to the free market as post-Stalinist Russia was.
    Billion dollar bailouts is not a sign of a free market. In a free market, the failing companies would be eliminated by natural selection and more competent competitors would thrive, thus improving the economy.
    You can't compete? You lose! And everybody wins in the end.

    • Posted By: crmac50 @ 12/11/2008 9:08:46 AM

      wha...what?

      did you just say that america's economy today is as close to a free market as post-stalinistic russia's was?

      are you actually comparing kruschev's russia, or even gorbachev's russia, to our current market system? where NAFTA is the rule of the land? where anyone can start a business? where state, federal and local government hires private contract employees at a ratio upwards of 20 to 1?

      are you even comparing it to Putin's Russia? where the Kremlin is in the pocket of the Executive, and whatever economic plan the Executive Office feels is appropriate is very likely to be instituted as government policy? as opposed to america where there is a very healthy debate between free-market advocates and regulated-market advocates about what should be regulated and why?

      really? is that what you're saying?

      • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:35:14 PM

        It's clear daplane was being sarcastic, making the point that we do not live in a truly free market.

    • Posted By: crmac50 @ 12/11/2008 9:10:38 AM

      wha...what?

      did you just say that america's economy today is as close to a free market as post-stalinistic russia's was?

      are you actually comparing kruschev's russia, or even gorbachev's russia, to our current market system? where NAFTA is the rule of the land? where anyone can start a business? where state, federal and local government hires private contract employees at a ratio upwards of 20 to 1?

      are you even comparing it to Putin's Russia? where the Kremlin is in the pocket of the Executive, and whatever economic plan the Executive Office feels is appropriate is very likely to be instituted as government policy? as opposed to america where there is a very healthy debate between free-market advocates and regulated-market advocates about what should be regulated and why?

      really? is that what you're saying?

    • Posted By: crmac50 @ 12/11/2008 9:10:02 AM

      wha...what?

      did you just say that america's economy today is as close to a free market as post-stalinistic russia's was?

      are you actually comparing kruschev's russia, or even gorbachev's russia, to our current market system? where NAFTA is the rule of the land? where anyone can start a business? where state, federal and local government hires private contract employees at a ratio upwards of 20 to 1?

      are you even comparing it to Putin's Russia? where the Kremlin is in the pocket of the Executive, and whatever economic plan the Executive Office feels is appropriate is very likely to be instituted as government policy? as opposed to america where there is a very healthy debate between free-market advocates and regulated-market advocates about what should be regulated and why?

      really? is that what you're saying?

  • Posted By: ZappoDaClown @ 12/11/2008 2:39:19 AM

    wow. Okay. This isn't government, and it's not capitalism...it's GREED and SELFISHNESS although Ayn Rand doesn't believe in those things as 'evil', and she sure should have. This is what happens in a ME society. Let's watch what happens as people are forced to enjoy the simple things of life, and regain their focus on what really matters in this world. Love (the opposite of selfishness) as poured out through Christ. Let's get our eyes off of US and put them on Him. May the wonders abound.

    • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:22:35 PM

      You also have a warped perception of the meaning of selfishness. Selfishness, as taught by Rand, is not this me me me mentality that we're all taught as kids. Selfishness is in the pursuit of what is in my best interest, and I'm sure we can all agree that the betterment of our fellow man is in everybody's self interest.

    • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:14:05 PM

      Another holy-roller who's advice is to talk to some deity who exists only in your imagination. Instead, we must observe objectively at the facts and derive at a conclusion from reason, not some answer you make up in your head from mystical blind faith.

  • Posted By: pedersen@oct.nert @ 12/13/2008 3:15:52 PM

    Rand is NOT the prob. It's fedgov with all their regulations, watchdogs and manipulators. They don't like the Constitution or the Federalist Papers.. Metternich's "The Price" is their guide.

  • Posted By: pedersen@oct.nert @ 12/13/2008 3:11:17 PM

    It's not Rand; it's FedGov. The Feds had all their regulations, watchdogs and manipulators. They don't know what they are doing and pay no consequences for being inept. They don't *** the US Constitution with its limitations on what they can do; so they work around. Where did they get the Federal Reserve? It's their own banking system. It's not in the Constititution. Neither is there a "bailout" clause; but there is a "Bankruptcy" clause. They probably only read Metternich's "The Prince." Constitution? Federalist Papers? What's that?
    Al

  • Posted By: Against-Ignorance @ 12/11/2008 2:09:11 AM

    Wow. For cult (and that's all these people are) who constantly espouse personal responsibility; they sure do seem to blame everyone else for the failures of their teachings.

    • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:05:55 PM

      What an ignorant comment. You're under the assumption that the free market is the problem, but you have been told over and over again that we do not have a free market. When will you listen?

    • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:04:20 PM

      What an ignorant comment. You're under the assumption that the free market is the problem, but you have been told over and over again that we do not have a free market. When will you listen?

    • Posted By: jvittetoe @ 12/13/2008 3:01:33 PM

      What an ignorant comment.

  • Posted By: Xelloss @ 12/13/2008 1:32:41 PM

    MikeM, when the interest rate stays that low - what you described is the result. Being able to borrow at 1% and lend at higher risk at 8% becomes very attractive on paper. One major reason why top brass was pressuring their institutions to find new ways to lend, was because on paper it seemed impossible that they could lose money by borrowing so cheap then re-lending so high. In reality it became so widespread that many bad risks were taken, and the loans sucked in a whole strata of vulnerable consumers who started defaulting as soon as the general market atmosphere started going sour.

    If the Gov't had regulated it, we would still be in the same position, how could the gov't have better predicted the issue? I do not think it would have, and any objections from government would simply have been smoothed over by a freezer full of cash. A few more politicians and regulators would have sold their soul, and very little would be different. Things like gov't regulations on markets serve to make people feel better but seldom do much to actually help.

  • Posted By: Cherie USA @ 12/13/2008 9:06:41 AM

    Thank you for this article. It is great to hear some plain talk and common sense for a change. Yaron Brook is intelligent, insightful and to the point. There is really nothing else to say on the subject, the government just needs to get out of the way; its function was to provide military protection on the national level, police protection on the state level and a judicial system to enforce the protection of our liberty and freedom. It has snaked its way into every aspect of our lives and we are seeing the results.

  • Posted By: bill125 @ 12/12/2008 1:09:20 AM

    "There' is a way that seems right to a man but leads to his destruction." [Bible] Objectivism is a sweet temptation, but it ignores the nature of man and rests on the assumption that a system can be set up free of distractions. It is a Utopian delusion; a satisfying delusion because of its consistency. In the world of Ayn Rand the unpleasant feeling of cognitive dissonance is happily avoided. That's why so many morons embrace it.

    • Posted By: djr_nw @ 12/12/2008 3:52:06 PM

      Objectivism is based on the nature of man. The bible forces you to attempt to live in contradiction of its proclaimed nature of man; no wonder so many religios folks are so miserable.

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/12/2008 10:22:16 PM

        Man by nature is greedy and often violent. Yeah let's live that way.

        Or is that die that way?

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