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  • Posted By: rfulle12 @ 12/12/2008 12:56:08 PM

    To Horrible bastard: You make my point perfectly! Thank you!

  • Posted By: Slow Burn @ 12/12/2008 11:53:15 AM

    The radical principles set forth in Ayn Rand's work, while still not "mainstream," are gradually becomming more widespread and accepted. A current example of a business run explicitly on those principles is the BB&T bank which avoided falling into the traps which have ensnared other financial institutions in the current debacle by issuing loans based on the credit worthiness of the borrower and eschewing the temptation to issue easy mortgages simply because they could be resold to Fannie and Freddie. The CEO, John Allison, who retires this month, developed the corporate philosphy of the bank explicitly on Objectivist principles and has used those to guide the extraordinary growth of that bank for the last 20 years.

  • Posted By: pduncan2000 @ 12/10/2008 10:06:03 PM

    The failure on unregulated and soft regulated markets can be highlighted using a simple metaphor "Don't let the Fox Guard the Henhouse". Does that makes sense to you ARI Objectivist. To illustrate a point, look at how unproductive the bailout of the Banks and AIG have been. They were issued $335 Billion Dollars with no regulation attached. Now how is that idea working out? Ayn Rand was not an economic mentor. Nor are her sheepish narrow mined followers.

    • Posted By: gaiam @ 12/11/2008 1:05:06 AM

      Of course. Any time someone is given a bunch of money with no stipulations bad results are almost inevitable. That has nothing to do with the points that Dr. Brooks makes in this article. No objectivist would support a bailout of any sort in the first place.

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    • Posted By: gaiam @ 12/11/2008 1:02:26 AM

      Any time that someone is given money they did not earn with no stipulations bad results are likely. That has nothing to do with objectivism or ARI's philosophy. They would never condone giving anyone a bailout in the first place.

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  • Posted By: gilles.beaulac@gmail.com @ 12/12/2008 10:46:52 AM

    I entirely support Mr Brooks! As he said "Regulations don't prevent crisis, they cause them." and "...There was no free market to fail. What we have is a regulated market, and the regulated market has failed."
    People need to recognize these facts as soon as possible in order to prevent economic disasters created by sociliastic mindset. We cannot fix this economic crisis with the same thinking that created it in the first place. It's time for an ideological change.

  • Posted By: Principled Visionary @ 12/12/2008 10:06:20 AM

    Thank you , Dr. Brook, for some long-needed perspective on current economic events. I've been amazed at the extent to which our elected representatives seem to think they can restore the status quo simply by throwing unbelievable sums of money at it (to be financed by inflating the money supply). It's as if our representatives have never learned some very basic realities of human existence:

    1. Before there can be prosperity, there must be production.
    2. Before there can be production, there must be productiveness (people producing).
    3. Before there can be productiveness, there must be rationality (intelligent productiveness), along with freedom of economic action and protection of individual rights (including property rights).

    To judge the health of an economy, don't worry about "consumer spending" or "consumer confidence." Look at what *investors* are doing; look for *investor* confidence. Look at the judgments *investors* are making about what products consumers might want in the future and be able to pay for, regardless of whether or not consumers know it now. How *can* consumers know, until they can see the products for themselves and judge their own ability to afford them? We're talking about products that no one except farsighted investors may have conceived of. Prosperity has to begin most fundamentally with projections of future potential by those in a position to make long-range investments intelligently, creating jobs for suitably skilled workers in the process.

    Governments may try to tell investors that they have a "duty to serve" and have no right to exist except insofar as they fulfill that alleged "duty." But whenever that kind of policy is put into force, it's only effect is to drive investors away, often making it impossible for investors to function even if they tried. Government officials in a state of immediate panic cannot begin to do what investors do to drive and lift an economy, nor to motivate investors in the way that the vision of an attractive product affordably manufactured and priced does.

  • Posted By: hankakston @ 12/12/2008 9:21:40 AM

    "One such group is the Ayn Rand Institute, named after the matriarch of the movement, whose antigovernment..."

    Ayn Rand's philosophy is NOT anti-government. The government is a necessity, but it has only three simple functions:

    1. The Military to protect the U.S. from foreign threats.
    2. The Police to protect us from criminals
    3. The Courts, to settle disputes among men according to objective laws.

    This last is important in that today's laws are NOT objective, and this is the problem.

  • Posted By: hankakston @ 12/12/2008 9:20:07 AM

    "One such group is the Ayn Rand Institute, named after the matriarch of the movement, whose antigovernment..."

    Ayn Rand's philosophy is NOT anti-government. The government is a necessity, but it has only three simple functions:

    1. The Military to protect the U.S. from foreign threats.
    2. The Police to protect us from criminals
    3. The Courts, to settle disputes among men according to objective laws.

    This last is important in the today's laws are NOT objective, and this is the problem.

  • Posted By: Dagny T. @ 12/12/2008 8:44:14 AM

    Americans!!!! Don't let that the socialism idea attak your people mind. I'm live in Argentina. I'm know what that mean. Belive me. Almost 100 years of disasters shown that nobody can rules all sides of your life. They start to control your life with somthing simple and you don't feel a big change so let them and then, other and other rules and regulations happens and suddenly, one day, you fall in their trap. The Jail that they built for you with all kind of regulation have no key and all of you will be prisioners for generations and generations of they needs, of they illuminated thoughts -of course for your welfare-. Don't belive in them; I did, most of us did and read the papers about us, read our history. Came to Argentina for a few days and you would see your future if you "change" your fundamentals. Wake up. Read again Ayn Rand philosophy, she felt in you own life what can communism do with produtive and honest people. She, like us, knows very well what talking about. The human nature is complicated but let the law do their job. That's all. Don't rescue, with your money the pour people of Latin America or other "pours countries". We don't deserve your kindness, we're recurrents thieves. We don't produce enough as we pretend . Defend your life style because it is your flag of victory.
    Laura Bermudez- Argentina

  • Posted By: Atlas117 @ 12/11/2008 5:00:46 PM

    If you read into Ayn Rand's essays and articles on philosophy you would find an interesting perspective on capital punishment. I agree with her on this point; I would rather allow 9 known murderers to have life in prison than to condemn 1 innocent man to death. Although capital punishment is morally justified, for taking another's life is a means of forfeiting your own, until we develop a system that can get us to 100% certainty in convictions of first degree felony murder, we should not have the death penalty. I think that with forensic evidence and analysis, we have come very very close to that 100%, the problem is that we have some bad investigators and cops out there, and sometimes, as seen with the O.J. Simpson trial, we have poor handling of forensic evidence

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 8:19:33 AM

      To me, the death penalty is when someone tries to rob me. Government has no business in death.

  • Posted By: Hugh Akston @ 12/11/2008 4:49:20 PM

    If the current situation doesn't prove Any Rand was right I don't know what will - we have now gotten to the point where the government is about to take my money and give it to car companies whose cars I don't want to buy and whose workers are paid not to work at jobs that pay more than mine... can appointing Cuffy Meigs to be the car czar be far behind?
    Hugh Akston

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 8:17:33 AM

      Government is ???about??? to take your money? The government takes 50-60% of the average American???s wealth.

  • Posted By: UzhasKakoi @ 12/11/2008 3:43:26 PM

    Don't you love it? The most regulated industry fails and Left makes it the fault of free markets? Go figure ... Does the Left truly believe that we are that dumb, or is the Left that dumb? I leave it for you to decide ...

    • Posted By: docroc67 @ 12/11/2008 6:10:06 PM

      I think perhaps it is you that are dumb.

      1. The mortgage origination business exploded this last 8 years and people with virtually no credentials were allowed to originate mortgages.

      2. Mortgages were offerred to people who couldn't afford them, in large part because there was every incentive to originate more mortgages and little incentive to be carefull. The reason is in 3.

      3. More than ever before, mortgages were sold and resold so that the people who originated them had no longterm association with them and therefore no incentive to ensure that the mortgages were sound. The originators got fees for originating, regardless of the ultimate fate of the mortgage.

      4. Then along came the geniuses who decided to "securitize,". mortgages -- ie to repackage crap and call it caviar. This allowed junk-grade securities to become -- voila -- AAA securities, which were then purcjhased by everyone from individuals to pension plans to municipalities to foreign countries.

      5. This mountain of debt was built on sewage and we are now seeing the results.

      Were regulators asleep at the switch? Yes, but how does that lead one to the conclusion that no regulation would be even better? How does the vileness and greediness of the perpetrators lead one (at least one with a functioning mind) to conclude that government is always worse and that the free market is always better. This would be like saying that, in a hi-crime neighborhood, the poilice were the problem and that, if we'd only remive the police, the criminals would stop mis-behaving.

      • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 8:08:17 AM

        In order to be in power, the government must steal from the productive. Why do you support theft?

  • Posted By: Bron98 @ 12/11/2008 3:36:52 PM

    Dr. Brooks is quite correct. This is a failure of big government of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. It is quite appaling for the author to suggest that capitalism had anything to do with this. We have not had free market capitalism in this country since TR busted the "trusts". He was a foolish progressive like most government nit wits and they (the progressives, liberals, communists) will be the economic ruin of us all. And the sad thing is that most people do not care about these kinds of issues.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 8:00:10 AM

      Ahhh, but you forget about the communists Lincoln and Wilson who started the expansive growth of government.

  • Posted By: howlinatthemoon @ 12/11/2008 1:37:45 PM

    Greed is the cause of the mess we are in, not any regulation or philosophy. Ralph Nader (yes, Ralph Nader) had it right when he said regulation is necessary to put greed in a box (paraphrasing). Greed is, by it's very nature, unlimited. Regulation is the limit that we must place on greed in order to avoid our society becoming consumed by it. If you would like to make the argument that Washington, D.C. is too far removed from the general public, then I would totally agree with that. They seem to like creating mythical characters and places (Joe the Plumber, Main Street) that are supposed to represent us all, so they probably think we are the tooth fairy or something.

    Acroyear, said very well. Bullets are the true currency of a free-market economy.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 5:49:35 PM

      There's nothing wrong with greed. greed works quite differently in a totally free market society with small government.
      Greed then is self-regulating. Then we only need to protect individuals or groups from use of force and coercion of any kind.

      • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 7:57:39 AM

        Wrong again. In order to have a government at all it has to steal money from the productive and hold a monopoly on force. A free-market cannot compete with that.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/11/2008 1:40:54 PM

      I see you have no examples. Why do you support a system based on theft?

      • Posted By: bg1654 @ 12/11/2008 2:13:36 PM

        By your own logic regulation is useless. If greed is unlimited then it will simply flow around regulation like a running steam through stones. You can already see this in today's world. The problems today are caused by people (typically those already with power and money) leveraging the power of regulation to benefit themselves to the unfair detriment of others. Greed will always conquer regulation and regulation will only cause power stratification.

        Bullets are the true currency of a free-market economy? Guess what happens when you go against regulation whether it is just or not. You get automatic rifles stuffed in your face. Regulation can only be enforced by force of arms. Do what your government says or they will shoot you. "Might makes right" is ubiquitous throughout human history. This is why the second amendment exists so that the people can destroy the government when it becomes too overbearing and no longer benefits the people.

        • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 7:56:58 AM

          The ???Second Amendment??? is just words on a ???g-d damned piece of paper???. But you are very correct about government forcing people at gun point to do things and then stealing the very money from your pockets.

        • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 5:51:55 PM

          Couldn't have said better.

  • Posted By: Buckfutter @ 12/11/2008 11:04:17 AM

    Excuse me Mr. Sheridan, but the Federal Reserve is not a government institution- it is a BANKING CARTEL. This IS corporate capitalism at work. And why do you assume that taking power away from our democratically elected representatives and giving it to our corporate elites will create paradise on earth? I would much rather have an elected government ruling, however incompetent they may be, than a corporate elitist hierarchy. In fact, we fought a revolution against such tyranny some 232 or so years ago. Furthermore, it is plainly obvious, after 28 years, that Reagonomics DOES NOT and WILL NOT work. The Reagon economic miracle is an ILLUSION. "Economic growth" of the last 28 years has been fueled by DEBT and a transfer of wealth- not by any creation of wealth.
    And the corporations that you love so well- they are the ULTIMATE COLLECTIVE. Uncle Joe Stalin could not have done a better job of brainwashing his people than Walmart does.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/11/2008 11:13:22 AM

      Now this is funny. Yet another sheep blaming something that does not exist. Corporations are an invention of government and in turn the government protects them from responsibility. As I have said before we have not had a free-market in Amerika. The Federal Reserve would be out of business if people were not imprisoned or murdered for using their own currency like gold and silver to pay debts.

      Why do you support a theft based system?

      • Posted By: Buckfutter @ 12/11/2008 11:41:26 AM

        Define your idea of a "Free Market" Mr. Smith. Anytime you have a concentration of wealth and power, be a Corporate Collective or a government, you have a limitation of freedom Any time you remove control from the local economy and the individual, you have a limitation of freedom. Empowering the powerful does not create a "Free Market"- unless you only consider the people at the top. And I'm definitely not a sheep Mr. Smith.

        • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/11/2008 11:49:28 AM

          A free market can only exist in the absence of government.

          I will ask again, why do you support a system based on theft and murder?

          Corporations are a creation of government and do not exist in a free-market.

          • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 6:39:54 PM

            Actually, free market can't do without a government. However, a government should be small and only concerned with protection of individual rights and arbitrage between producers. A free market governments should be large enough to be able to protect individuals, their property and businesses and their property from coercion or physical force.

            • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/12/2008 7:45:20 AM

              Wrong again. In order to have a government at all it has to steal money from the productive and hold a monopoly on force. A free-market cannot compete with that.

          • Posted By: WinstonMartin @ 12/11/2008 4:59:57 PM

            You are mistaken. Corporations are not a creation of the state. In a letter to The Wall Street Journal exactly two years ago today, Robert Hessen, author of "In Defense of the Corporation," wrote, "charters enacted by state legislatures literally ceased to exist in the mid-19th century. The creation of a corporation is a mere registration procedure, like filing a birth certificate for a baby or recording the use of a fictitious business name. The state's role is purely formal and automatic--and there is no promise or requirement to serve "the public interest," however that rubbery concept might be defined." There are philiosophic and moral problems with extending a corporate identity to sole proprietors and and general partners, as Dr. Hessen points out in his book (p. 29), but they have nothing to do with the erroneous notion that corporations are "creatures of the state." You can read about these isues in the book.

            As to the outrageous idea that Ayn Rand is responsible for todays calamitous financial and economic problems, as she would point out, no man's moral stature hinges on the actions of another. Those Republicans and Democrats--and the former have the least excuse--who interfere with the affairs of commerce are responsible--not the philosopher who showed them how to avoid it and what would happen if they didn't. One of the most profound statements in "Atlas Shrugged" is on the last page (in the hardback) where Judge Narragansett is sitting at a table with the light of a lamp falling on a copy of an old document. He adds a new clause: "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of production and trade." Until men are willing to do this, and practice it--the market will take care of the rest, such as an objective standard of value in trade, namely, gold-- the United States will continue having scandals, corruption, malfeasance, recessions, and worse. Of course, this would mean that the world's second oldest profession would have to give up power. But with few exceptions, this power over other people is the only reason most of them are politicians. Sure, we will always have the types represented by Sen. Ted Stevens and (if he is guilty) Gov. Rod Blagojevich. But they can be caught by ordinary law enforcement. It is those who stay within the law and Constitution and write the law so that they can tyrannize the populace who are the greatest danger. This kind of tyranny is a slow, creeping thing that gradually envelopes and suffocates us, and always for a very good reason---usually the "public good." Political power means everything to them--perhaps more than life itself--which is why you don't see them resigning left, right, and center. Remember: As government officials they can pass laws that give the government the right to initiate the use of physical force with impunity. The ordinary citizen does not have this right. So don't hold your breath waiting for a new r

        • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 6:34:21 PM

          Yes you do. To understand what free market means read Austrian school economists: Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich von heyek, Murray Rothbard, or any of the more modern ones.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 6:30:32 PM

      Objectivists are not champions of Cartels and corporate capitalism. Gree market is not about corporate capitalism.

  • Posted By: shafflo @ 12/12/2008 6:49:22 AM

    We love to make very simple things complicated and nuanced. People can not on the whole be trusted to do what is best for all. Therefore, rules are needed. The rules need to be simple, clear, make sense, and be modified to fit changing times. We have moved to rules that no one can understand and that is the same as no rules. If we had a rule that you must pay at least 20% of ANY outstanding loan (includes credit card purchases, loans between businesses, and house loans) up front, and that no interest could ever be more than 10% above prime rate, would we be in this mess? The more money that is involved, the more simple and accountable things need to be. We strive to do the opposite, and it is not because that is good for everyone - it is so that a few people can get very, very rich at the expense of all the suckers that they take from.

  • Posted By: linaz @ 12/12/2008 4:45:52 AM

    I fully agree with Dr.Brooks' analylis.
    First, there is no free market (in the US or globally). True capitalism does not exist. Regulation is the death of enterpreneurship and meritocracy. Only "big business" benefits, the majority loses.
    Alan Greenspan should have known better...but he didn't.
    Bail outs are wrong. It is a slippery-slope - where do you stop?
    If there is no accountability, if people (and businesses) do not suffer the consequences of their actions or bad judgements, then there is no free will, no property, no individual sovereignty. It is not they way man can exist.

  • Posted By: caligari's hammer @ 12/12/2008 3:22:08 AM

    OK, forgive me, this is out of order. It???s late at night here and I didn???t think I???d be posting again but I thought I???d make a quick reply. Busy full day at work and no time till now???yes I know, the impression one gets from many followers of Rand is that if you don???t fully believe in her black/white way of thinking, then you obviously must be mooching off of some modern day Herculean incarnation of Howard Roark or Hank Rearden, and can???t possibly offer productive work. But to respond to skysi: where do you get this impression of me being a cornered rat? Quite an inference you???ve made. Don???t know what time zone you???re in but I dashed off my post at lunch while at work???thus it???s brevity???and saw no need to go into a lengthy exposition. Yeah I???ve read some of her non-fiction. As much as I could stomach before putting it down thinking ???People over the age of 13 actually believe this stuff???? So your brash attempt at turning my comment against me (??????.more learned than???..???) suggests to me that maybe you don???t really know what the words specious, recidivist and scientism actually mean. But I imagine you???re a smart guy I???m sure and have googled them by now. And for Blonde Mike???I really didn???t expect to have to point this out-- but the deal with ???objectionablism??? (yeah my own little neologism, as opposed to a mis-spelling) was that it is an attempt at a droll but intentional slur at a school of thinking I strongly disagree with and find to be fundamentally flawed, all in the name of fun but sharply pointed on-line snarkery. If you can???t handle that, well, what are you doing on-line? Yes, it???s Objectivism+objectionable=Objectionablism. Some may find it more or less droll than others. Just saying.
    Seriously though???...thanks for the responses. Although I do, utterly, unequivocally and completely disagree with you in a way that cannot be overstated. But I have to say that these Ayn Rand comments threads are VERY entertaining. And fairly hilarious. Thanks to all. Great writing. Seriously. That???s all I got time for. As Ian Shoales sez, ???I gotta go.???

  • Posted By: John_Toradze @ 12/11/2008 9:03:35 AM

    The problem with Ayn Rand is that her ideas are ridiculous, and not evidenced anywhere in her life. All this drivel she spouted about the individual making it alone was just an academic's fantasy. And she, herself, was a person who was coddled and protected by others in her life. For this person, who was such an antithesis of her own concepts, to have such an influence is a testament to the power of fantasy in the world at large AND among academics.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 1:54:21 AM

      Another ignorant statement from someone who's not got a clue.

  • Posted By: ThePrairiePrankster @ 12/11/2008 10:03:18 AM

    Sounds like another bunch of cultists to me. I read Atlas Shrugged, it was nothing more than an ode to selfishness, that was the message it gave to me. Just another bunch of egotistical navel gazing by pampered "intellectuals" who hide from the messiness of the real world. The classic "do as I say not as I do" mentality.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/12/2008 1:52:06 AM

      Just doing pranks will suit you much better than analyzing Ayn Rand. You have no clue, I'm afraid.

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