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  • Posted By: dougfromeagan @ 12/11/2008 5:45:34 PM

    The truth about how we truly got to this point in our American economy is not being reported by the main street media. Certainly not Newsweek who is just about as liberal as they come. Ask yourself this question: Are Chris Dodd and Barney Frank good guys or bad guys- in relationship to our financial dilemma? If you are scratching your heads and saying to your self, what do they have to do with this? - you are poorly informed. Here is one more to Google - John Maynard Keynes..

    Doug from Eagan

  • Posted By: jimv960 @ 12/11/2008 1:51:49 PM

    Ayn Rand.A bitter angry crank.Those closest to her told of a
    vicious woman who implied that you were deranged if you
    questioned 1% of her philosophy. The markets welcomed her
    drivel as pedophiles would an announcement that society would
    no longer investigate/prosecute child molestation.
    No more rules! Everybody do what you want! We did follow
    this deranged crank.......and now all those reading this have had
    their 401K's STOLEN. Sorry, just the market ya'know!!!!

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 5:42:36 PM

      Your idiotic comment proves that you don't know anything either of Ayn Rand as a person or of her philosophy.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/11/2008 1:56:25 PM

      Yes, stolen from our heavily regulated market. It is also obvious that you support stealing money from the productive.

      Do you have anything else to offer other than ad hominem attacks against Rand?

  • Posted By: MichaelGarrett @ 12/11/2008 5:36:17 PM

    Some commentators give Greenspan credit for intellectual honesty. It's one thing to say "I was wrong, my thought was the banks would act in their rational self-interest and preserve themselves, but my ideology was flawed" which is basically what Greenspan said. It'd be another thing entirely to admit "My involvement in this central banking scheme and my artificial manipulation of interest rates and my massive injections of liquidity into this sector and my hubris in thinking that I could predict and regulate such a complex system, in short my actions directly contributed to and caused the current crisis in which so many people are suffering massive losses (homes and businesses) and the economy as a whole is tanking. Furthermore, my actions were wrong in principle--not just the particulars of what interest rate, how much fiat money to pump into the economy--but the very existence of a federal reserve and fiat currency to support a welfare state is wrong, because it entails violations of the principle of individual rights." THAT would be intellectual honesty!

  • Posted By: big jer @ 12/11/2008 4:18:18 PM

    Our govt. in Canada nhas more regulations on our banks than in the U.S.
    but we have not yet reached the crisis that you are
    experiencing.
    ERbventually we will because of our neighbours to the south
    Not through any direct fault of ou own making

    • Posted By: jackdoitcrawford @ 12/11/2008 5:35:59 PM

      You may have more regulations but they are different ones. As I understand it the banks in Canada are large, whereas in the USA, there are many large ones but also a huge (10,000) number of smaller ones that are small because laws kept them that way. The Canadaian banks also don't resell their mortgages, as the Fannie?Freddie govt creations do.

    • Posted By: LonnieNash @ 12/11/2008 5:13:45 PM

      Canada doesn't spend trillions on defense spending and policing the world.

  • Posted By: Jinjymd @ 12/11/2008 5:33:14 PM

    Advice to the uninitiated: Read Atlas Shrugged. Become familiar with the Austrian theory of Economics, and how is differs from the widely accepted and employed views of Keynes. Check out the Ludwig von Mises Institute online, and LewRockwell.com as part of your education. Definitely read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat to understand what is happening to our society today.

    Eventually it should be clear that Greenspan is akin to Dr Robert Stadler of Atlas Shrugged. Someone with great potential who sells out to the Looter philosophy. The Fed is a centrally planned bank that has freedom to print paper currency not linked to intrinsic wealth, and has the ability to arbitrarily set interest rates by which private institutions decide how and when to do business (rather than private assumption of risk). Government insurance (FDIC) and precedents of previous bailouts by government of private companies gives private businesses and banks false senses of security when making decisions about risk. This has led to the continued boom bust cycles, and government intervention will make the current situation worse by prolonging the presence of wealth killing businesses in the economy and delaying the purging of malinvestments. Everyone knows the mantra about "risking" capital in the market, but on a large scale correction, this being the largest correction ever, the government and the portion of the populace supporting this way of thinking is unwilling for the suffering that inevitably comes from a correction/panic/recession/depression from occurring. One hears of businesses being "too big to fail." So, instead of the actual businesses and clients that would suffer from the business failures of the burst bubble, government intervenes and we all suffer. Monies are looted from the responsible and given to the irresponsible. Incentive given to failure and mediocrity instead of rewarding virtue. This is one of the many facets of the looting by the State that Rand deals with in Atlas Shrugged. The title of this article is: Can Ayn Rand Survive the Economic crisis? Any blame laid at Ayn Rand's feet via Greenspan's role in the Fed would only be by those who do not know Rand, the philosophy of Objectivism, and therefore have no clue that Greenspan's involvement in the government is contrary to anything that Rand stood for (and Objectivists and Minarchists still stand for). To those who believe in activist States and the economic philosophy of Keynes: Can your philosophy survive the economic crisis?

  • Posted By: nduckworth @ 12/11/2008 5:31:45 PM

    Great interview, Dr. Brook nails it.

  • Posted By: rgosche20 @ 12/11/2008 4:36:02 PM

    Barrett Sheridan is literally retarded - not mentally disabled, but psychologically retarded. This "crisis" is the direct result of a multitude of federal and state interferences in the market. Most notably FNMA, FHLMC, HUD, the Federal Reserve, NLRB, the 1981 Congressional drilling moratorium, CAFE standards, & the frozen Yuan - not to mention the perpetuating economic diseases of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public schooling, and Federal professional liscencing.

    Rand's support of capitalist/free market/libertarian/whatever label you choose for liberty philosophy isn't dependent on social retention or rejection. Every human being that chooses to live perpetuates the philosophy whether they accept it or not.

  • Posted By: WildBilltheOldFart @ 12/11/2008 5:02:12 PM

    Seeing a truly unregulated market is like seeing the kingdom of heaven--its not reality--except in the minds of the true believing true cool-aid drinkers. Get over it. This Free Market stuff is all a cynical mummery--and you know it!

    The collectivist Alan Greenspan was one of Ayn Rand's favorites until the day she died. Both people were tools of an oligarchy that did not gain its position by merit--but by pull. Whether you're an objectivist liar, or a socialist liar, or a conservative liar--you're still a liar, and I still don't buy into the mummery.

    If you want me on board with any philosophy, my first rule is that you tell me the truth--Otherwise, I too will play my cards close to my chest and withhold my truths for the sake of self protection. I am only interested in real reality as it is--naked before all understanding. And the real reality is this: we are individuals seeking to gain our values???it is really that simple--and how we go about attaining those values defines us. So if you wish to go on lying about the virtues of a heavenly free market, please know that I know that we both know that you are a liar. You need me to believe the BS that your spouting so that you can go on believing it. I want no part of it.

  • Posted By: docroc67 @ 12/11/2008 5:27:36 PM

    Making this a discussion of capitalism versus socialism obscures what it is really about -- venal, stupid, greedy people convincing an uninformed populace that helping the rich get richer (iegetting ripped off) is patriotic. You can say the S-word as much as you like, as if we are supposed to scream in horror when we hear "socialism," but countries with democratic socialism have a higher standard of living than the USA, better healthcare, lower infant mortality, etc.

  • Posted By: MBiondo @ 12/11/2008 5:26:32 PM

    The failure of the economy pivots on the inherent greed in all parties. Those who used their homes as ATM machines or credit cards drove up the housing markets to a boiling point, especially those sub-prime mortgages, adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) and Home Equity Lines of Credit (HELOCs). Of course across the table were investors, mortgage bankers, brokers and originators, appraisers, title attorneys, and title companies. They all stood to profit by funds from mortgages. Not all may have been punished in this market, but those holding the empty bag, like the global commercial banks (which have mortgage divisions), the government insured entities (Fannie, Freddie and Ginny), the stock brokerages with mortgage backed securities, and insurance companies. Now it will be a debacle like the Savings and Loan crisis of the mid-1980s, when the US taxpayers footed the bill for the reconstruction of the real estate and and mortgage industries while the FSLIC and S&L's vanished. Behold: the taxpayers are going to foot the bill again!

  • Posted By: georgetheatheist @ 12/11/2008 5:01:46 PM

    Greenspan was appointed to President Ford's Council of Econmic Advisors. There is even a photo of Ayn Rand grinning in the Oval Office at his swearing-in. Ayn Rand died in 1982. Subsequently Greenspan was appointed by President Reagan to be head of the Federal Reserve in 1987. At that moment, rumors have it that there was a volcanic upheaval under Rand's gravesite in Valhalla Cemetery in Westchester County. The great novelist/philospher was reputed to be turning in her grave.

    Why doesn't someone at last interview Greenspan about his original and later relationship with Rand? Get the info from the horse's mouth already! In all the years he was Fed Chairman no one ever asked him about this. They still dont. Barret Sheridan. Did you interview Greenspan?

    • Posted By: jackdoitcrawford @ 12/11/2008 5:22:03 PM

      Read Greenspan's book. Get it from the library. Don't pay him for such trash.

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 12/11/2008 3:38:36 PM

    None of us in the USA have ever known a purely capitalist market. It has always been mixed-market, and it always will be a mixed-market. None of us know what a purely capitalistic market would be like; we only have theoreticals. The theory of pure capitalism fails just as surely as pure communism fails because of human nature (specifically, greed). It does no good to wail about the evils of government assistance, because it is here to stay and neither political party has any intention of giving back the power and authority it now has. Our government has never shrunk, it has only grown. Our job then, as participants in this mixed-market economy, is to take care of ourselves as best we can so as to slow the government's growth as much as possible.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 5:21:21 PM

      Where did you get the idea that the theory of pure capitalism fails. The theory can't fail until it's proven or disproved by practice. Funny, in this movement to socialism how exactly are you going to slow the growth of the government?

  • Posted By: awclarkson @ 12/11/2008 5:16:28 PM

    How could anyone blame capitalism based upon Alan Greenspan's comments or actions? He ran the government agency, the Federal Reserve, which manipulates interest rates. He lowered rates below the inflation rate which drove people to speculate on houses. That is not capitalism. On top of that, Fannie Mae made loans to those who could not afford them. That is not capitalism. And...federal regulators pushed private banks to make loans to those who could not afford them. That is not capitalism. What we have here is a failure of government folks. Not capitalism. Driving all is this government initiating force. That is the core problem from a political perspective.

  • Posted By: WildBilltheOldFart @ 12/11/2008 3:49:05 PM

    The blame clearly lays with the extremist mystics on both the right and the left. As the righties correctly point out, socialism is basically an unworkable religion based largely on superstitious thinking. One only needs to look at the history of the outcomes of communal societies to see that this is so. People who think that absolutely ???free markets??? are a panacea for all that ails mankind are likewise given over to superstition.

    In our individual lives, we exercise our individual freedoms within the context of personal and external controls. As individuals, we exercise both the selfish and altruistic sides of our natures. We do so both deliberately and as a matter of instinct. Our impulse (or choice) to exercise either altruism or selfishness is a matter of strategy, be its motivation deliberate, reactive or instinctual???and be its source either individual or collective. It is better for mankind to learn to distinguish the strategic advantages of all his available strategies, including both of these seemingly polar-opposite strategies, and the myriad nuances of philosophy and effects that underlie them.

    The righties have well served the oligarchs, (who don???t believe a word of the ???free markets??? mummery), who have used our cool-aid addled ride on the mystical ???free markets??? bus against us. They have taken our nation down a few notches--and we may not recover our former national glory. The oligarchs??? legacy is not one of honest greed, but of backroom plunder and shady deals. But then, their attitude toward anyone who would try to open things up to the type of honest free trade that would expand the wealth of mankind is, ???try and get it.???

    Well, to ???try and get it??? is our natural impulse as individuals and interest groups. But one we get it, we???ll probably form our own oligarchy and say, ???try and get it??? to the new batch of ???undeserving moochers??????at least until we learn new and better strategies for dealing with the downsides of social inequity, iniquity and inequality.

    Midas and Moocher are both likewise monsters--Prometheus lays somewhere in between--or maybe somewhere else altogether. Human kind needs genuinely fresh thinking on the issue of how to live in society.

    WildBilltheOldFart

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 5:15:30 PM

      Total nonsense. There's nothing mystical about Objectivism. If you think reliance on free markets is mysticism, read Ludwig von Mises ans Friedrich von Heyek (Austrian school of economy).

    • Posted By: adamsmith08 @ 12/11/2008 4:06:45 PM

      Where you go wrong is in believing a "panacea" or a "utopia" is even a possibility. People will always have problems. A free market has more incentives toward getting better and toward less force, more freedom and more personal responsibility, until government gets involved with the incentives of regulation which are toward more force, less freedom, and less personal responsibility. Even if they had exactly the same results, freedom would be better and more moral. Yet the fact is unarguable, the more freedom there is the more prosperity there is. The more people live by the ideal of not using force against others, the better off we. You can't use your examples of two groups of proven anti-free market actors as an argument against free markets.

  • Posted By: WinstonMartin @ 12/11/2008 5:04:33 PM

    My last sentence was cut off by, apparently, a server error. It should read: "So don't hold your breath waiting for a new renaissance."

  • Posted By: carminejd @ 12/11/2008 4:59:13 PM

    This article is oddly funny in that it approaches Ayn Rand as if she were an actual economist or philosopher of free will or even a philosopher at all. Sure Rand is an interesting voice on behalf of individual moral efficacy over the death of individualism prescribed by Marx through Keynes, but maybe we could look at this problem in terms of a real philosopher like say, Locke? or Mill? or maybe even Adam Smith or God forbid Hume or even the Existentialists. Randianism is a popularist philosophy cult just like Deconstructionism, lots of irate high-principled haughty hokem with a bit of truth melded in. Ho hum. No wonder Greenspan wasn't a TRUE follower.

  • Posted By: rgosche20 @ 12/11/2008 4:56:15 PM

    The death penalty is compensation for the loss of very important personal property. The person on death row chose to steal a life. That equitable cost of that theft, is their own life.

    No human being has ever been exposed to the vacuum of space. So by your logic, since this has never happened we can't know for certain that it will cause the death of a person. We don't know if killing the cancer in someone will let them live as long as they would have if the cancer never appeared, yet many individuals choose to fight it.

  • Posted By: Atlas117 @ 12/11/2008 4:46:08 PM

    It's simply a ridculous claim to say that Greenspan praciced Objectivist economics. I do not know why people confuse libertarian ideology with Rand and her philosophy, but it is happening more and more. I think that Yaron brings up valid points. For every argument one hears that points to deregulation as a cause for the current crisis one can also point to hundreads of governmental regulations, grants, and subsidies that led to the crisis. Ultimately, the government needs to better understand the premise that it was founded on; the protection of individual rights. I don't know how the government began to grasp the power to control the economy, but this mess needs to stop before we end up like Soviet Russian...and by that a mean a mess of poverty, conflict, death, and despair. Atlas Shrugged should, in my opinion, grow in popularity and influence. I have personally been suggesting the novel to many of my friends, and they love it. I agree with many of the comments below, if you have read Atlas Shrugged and submersed yourself into the philosphy Miss Rand sets forth, you would know that a) Greenspan has not practiced Objectivist economics b) government regulation is the true cause of the economic crisis and many of the other problems we face in this country, and c) if we hope to 'discover' the true morality and rational faculties that lead to individual prosperity and succes, then individuals need to adopt reason as their means of knowledge and not ridiculous media corporations spewing mindless anti-intellectual propaganda so they can gain more power and influence.

    • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 4:54:33 PM

      Greenspan is far from Libertarian, either. Most Libertarians adhere to the Austrian School of economy.

  • Posted By: skysi @ 12/11/2008 4:50:37 PM

    WildBilltheOldFart, what you have just said is total nonsense.. Read Ayn Rand.

  • Posted By: Headofasu @ 12/11/2008 4:32:39 PM

    Anyone who has actually read any of Ayn Rand's works knows that Alan Greenspan is no Objectivist, and his policies at the Fed were not free market. No one of the "the free market failed" camp seems to want to actually look at the details of the regulations already in place that largely caused the financial meltdown, i.e. The Fed's massive expansion of credit out of thin air, the Community Reinvestment Act forcing banks to take on risky loans at the point of a gun, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac subsidizing loans to high-risk people. The banks such as AIG that got themselves in trouble were acting on the belief that the Fed would keep the party going by continuing to inflate the money supply. Had the Fed, the CRA, Fannie, and Freddie not done what they did, these banks would not have taken on such risky loans. They would have regulated themselves just fine. When you have the Fed in control of the money supply and can increase it or decrease it at any rate it wishes at any time, how can anyone honestly say that the so-called "freedom" of the banking industry is what caused this mess? I also find it striking that people denounce Ayn Rand considering the fact that she promoted the idea that YOUR thought and YOUR action is what keeps you alive, that people require freedom to act on their own best judgment, and that free trade is required to expand wealth beyond what anyone person can achieve on his or her own. Anyone against this must be either incapable or unwilling to think and act for his own survival, and wants to make slaves out of those people that can. The beautiful part of Atlas Shrugged is that it demonstrates that the capable men and women can "shrug" off the non-contributing fleas any time they want.

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