Barack The Untouchable

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  • Posted By: Alpena Bob @ 12/11/2008 8:08:11 PM

    What else could Newsweek say? After all, they are a noice of the Democrat Party.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 8:21:33 PM



      Maybe they should say they BELIEVE he's guilty with no facts to support it?

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/11/2008 9:23:35 PM

        If he was a Republican they would

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 9:33:26 PM

          Aw, here we go crying and pouting again. Nixon won landslide reelection with that theme. Wore it out way back then. Maybe Bill and Hillary might even call it a vast right wing conspiracy. Which is it?

          In all events, the republican party will never recover if it just hangs it's hat on that old saw, and continues to rely on ultras and LIVs as its base.

          A 40 year republican

          • Posted By: AlanTuring @ 12/12/2008 1:43:37 AM

            Nixon didn't win by a landslide!

            • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/12/2008 2:07:42 AM

              As I recall, Nixon won his '72 reelection by 22 points or better, the fourth or fifth highest margin ever.

  • Posted By: Alma @ 12/12/2008 2:06:27 AM

    The most corrupt situation we have lived in the past years is Bush's lie about a war that killed thousands of Americans. After that, nothing that anyone can do can be called corrupt enough.

  • Posted By: Griffon @ 12/12/2008 1:44:54 AM

    I should think we are a very long way from comparing Obama to Truman. Only time will tell.

  • Posted By: USMC1980 @ 12/12/2008 1:34:51 AM

    The only people who think Obama is even remotely tied to this scandal are Republicans who hate him for spanking them in the election, and will say anything to sabotage him. And of course their are always a few self righteous media hypocrites who will get mad at Obama no matter what he says, and claim that he is not saying enough (IE. Richard Wolfe). Thankfully the rest of America is smarter and more decent then these others, and will continue to support Barack Obama.

  • Posted By: rudhrach.madadh.alluidh @ 12/12/2008 1:23:18 AM

    "One of the more telling excerpts from Blagojevich's wiretapped conversations indicates the governor was "bleeping" upset that the Obama team was "not willing to give him anything but appreciation" in exchange for appointing the president-elect's preferred candidate, Valerie Jarrett. There's a pattern here. From all the available evidence we can gather from his time in Illinois politics, Barack Obama is a major goody-two-shoes."

    And yet, Obama in his infinite wisdom decided to lie about having talked to Blagojevich. Without being involved in the scandal, he thought it would make him appear the most clean if he just told an outright lie, forgetting that of course his staff would also be questioned and he hadn't told them that he planned to tell an outright lie to the people about having spoken with the guilty. For being innocent in the matter, he really made a fool of himself and went out of his way to make himself appear questionable. It only makes sense that he should have been speaking with the man, what with this being about Obama's old position being filled at all, so he really acted like a complete fool to lie to the population when it would have taken nothing to explain why he had been talking to Blagejovich, and easily establish his innocense. I can only hope that this, and the few other times he's already put his foot in his mouth since between 52 and 53 percent of the population voted for him , won't represent the attitude he'll display when actually in office. To be innocent but so worried about people thinking him guilty that he'll lie until people do start to question him, he needs to step back and start thinking with some intelligence.

  • Posted By: AlanTuring @ 12/12/2008 1:10:04 AM

    Please stick with some facts. "most" of the indicted politicians have been Republicans in Illinois. I live in Chicago. Futhermore "you're either corrupt or an angel" oh come off it! How can you even write like this? Is this idea backed up by anything other than noise? It has all the marks of "you're either with us or against us". When the premise is false to start with how can the rest that supports it be worth reading? Did you ever stop to think that this is not some experiment in digital binary code? There are many non-corrupt people in office in Illinois and Illinois certainly doesn't hold the record for political corruption in the first place. Start by writing about "The Iran Contra Affair" in which most were from California. Write about "The Keating Five" "Arizona" Neil Bush's savings and loan scandle "Colorado" The "Arms Gate" "California. "Troopergate" Alaska. Hookergate New York Hmmmm do some research!

  • Posted By: mauiwind @ 12/12/2008 12:55:31 AM

    Obama is gonna be clean. He HAS to be. But if, through some incredible anomaly of what is true in existence, Obama is dirty at any time for anything... If he breaks our heart.... God help him... but he knows that, and I'm not worried.

  • Posted By: dmonmcd @ 12/12/2008 12:44:21 AM

    When are journalists going to report facts not just opinions that mean absolutely nothing? "Yellow Journalism" like this is a desperate attempt to lay guilt by association with nothing substantial to even prove his point. "Truman loved Bourbon and Poker", yeah that is just horrible for one's reputation. We just had one of those "cleaned" up Presidents and he might go down in history as the worst President ever. This is the state of journalism these days? Wehn in the election did you associate Palin with Stevens or McCain with Meachum? This is nothing more than something you'd read in the tabloids with a cover of some kind of ethical magazine once based on facts and good reporting. Find a true connection or leave this country because this is exactly what the right wing call un-patriotic!

  • Posted By: REALITY CHECK @ 12/12/2008 12:39:17 AM

    I sincerely hope that Obama used the system in Chicago to get ahead, and really intends to govern honorably. I will give him every chance to prove himself, but the whole world is watching.

  • Posted By: Ken Erd @ 12/12/2008 12:37:58 AM

    This is the second portion of my comment:

    ??? How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.??? No, in this instance the quotation should be, ???How do I blame thee? Let me count the ways.??? First off the block are all eligible voters who for their many reasons do not go to the polls to vote. Shame, shame. You have only yourselves to blame. Next come the voters who are blind. They place their ???X??? behind the name of the party they favor and don???t even look to see the many different people they are voting for. Those who do vote other than on the party line may not be voting for the best candidate for a given office. Indeed they may be voting against someone because the name suggests the candidate is Mexican or Jewish or Muslim or Catholic or feminine or homosexual or perhaps because the surname is spelled the same way as someone they dislike. No, the only voters of the electorate who do not share in this blame are those who did what they could to learn about the character and intelligence of those for whom they were casting their vote.

    Perhaps our President-elect will turn out to be corrupt. In my heart I find this difficult to believe and you would find it hard to imagine how dearly I hope this is not so. However let us not judge this man???s integrity until we have evidence that perhaps the electorate was mistaken in their choice.

    Ken Erd

  • Posted By: dmonmcd @ 12/12/2008 12:37:39 AM

    Guilt by Association with no evidence? Absolute "Yellow Journalism" and pure hogwash. Get a life and write about those who actually have commited a crime. Yeah "Bourbon and Poker" are just horrible things that truman had done! When are journalists going to learn that we want reporting on FACTS not speculation and their opinion means nothing!

  • Posted By: Ken Erd @ 12/12/2008 12:36:07 AM

    The realities of real life often escape us. Those who believe that politicians should exhibit their absolute integrity by castigating any and every fellow politician who commits the least unethical transgression totally lack an understanding of the real world. The parallel Mr. Hirsh was alluding to by comparing Barack Obama to Harry Truman is quite apt in illuminating this point. Harry Truman did not publically decry the corruption of Tom Pendergast. Rather he rose above it and refused to be party to the corruption which ultimately earned him the begrudging respect of Mr. Pendergast himself. It is doubtful that Governor Blagojevich will in some manner acknowledge his respect for the Honorable Mr. Obama but surely in some recess of his otherwise corrupt brain there must be recognition as to what he is and as to what he would much rather be. But it is also certain that if Mr. Obama had made loud pronouncements about every infraction of ethical behavior of which he was aware he would not now be our President-elect. Those who prefer not to believe this - - well those people are to say the least somewhat immature.

    No reasonable person believes the members of the 118-member Illinois General Assembly or the 59-members of the Illinois State Senate are blissfully unaware of the history of corruption of Illinois politics or equally unaware of present day corruption in the state. Also I do not believe that any reasonably educated person is unaware that corruption exists in the other state governments or within local governing bodies within each and every one of the fifty states. The unfortunate truth is that corruption exists in governing bodies around the world. If blame is to be assigned for the presence of this corruption then the primary recipient of that blame is you; you the electorate who fail time after time to perform your duty.

    I have written more but perhaps I exceeded the 3000 character limiit. I will post the remainder of this comment as a second installment.

    Ken Erd

  • Posted By: CANADIAN VIEWER @ 12/12/2008 12:07:48 AM

    Put the Illinois gov. in jail, strip him of everything he has stolen

  • Posted By: take434 @ 12/11/2008 9:51:00 PM

    Did you even proof read your own article? How can you possibly come to the conclusion that Obama is a goody two shoes based upon even your own observations?! If Obama did not know that Blagojevich was a worthless, greedy slimeball politician, then Obama was a blind idiot. You cannot possibly expect us to believe that Obama did not know what was going on right under his nose in the city where he was a Senator. While Obama may manage to avoid having participated in this pay to play game in Illinois, he certainly is not innocent. He had to know Blagojevich's ways and YET he STILL endorsed him for Governor. Blagojevich did not start this behavior yesterday! When you are a "goody two shoes" you DO NOT endorse criminals for Governor unless that is a road you travel yourself. PLEASE, you insult my intelligence with your pathetic excuse for an article. As for Michelle's job at city hall, "what goes on at City Hall" did not change when Michelle started working there. She became a part of whatever tawdry business you are insinuating goes on there. To say that Valerie Jarrett is looking out for means NOTHING. The conclusions drawn in this article are absolutely ridiculous.

    • Posted By: jajuan323 @ 12/11/2008 10:23:11 PM

      How about you try living in Illinois before going on you bash Illinois anc Chicago tirade. It's been established by both major Chicago papers that Obama hasn't operated in the traditional Chicago machine politics. Plus if you actually listen to Fitzgerald's news conference on the governor's arrest, he actually goes out of his way to point out that the President-elect is not accused of any wrongdoing and that he didn't believe that Obama even new what the governor was attempting to do in regards to his vacated Senate seat. If Obama were so corrupt you would have the Governor giving accolades for giving what he wanted instead of nasty insults for not playing the game, or did we just gloss over the parts where Blagojevich calls Obama a motherf---er for not giving up anything more than appreciation. It says something to me that the Chicago Tribune which has never endorsed a Democrat for President had such high regard for him in giving its reasons for endorsing the President-elect. And ajaxson, please get a clue. No one has control over what name he's given at the time of his birth. Your comment is so offbase that I'm surprise you took the time to write it. It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest a person shouldn't be able to serve as President of our great country because of his name. This is the 21st century, not the 19th or even the early 20th when this silly attitude was popular. And then you don't even spell his name correctly. It's B-A-R-A-C-K.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 11:25:14 PM

        Fitzgerald did not do anything other than call it the way he saw it in the case of Scooter. Now he's a prosecutor in a republican administration against a democrat. I see no reason to presume that Fitzgerald would do anything other than call this one the same way.

  • Posted By: Against-Ignorance @ 12/11/2008 10:31:28 PM

    Any fool can be moral when he's surrounded by moral people watching him. It takes real honor and integrity to remain unimpeachable while surrounded by rot. Every few days I find new reasons to be glad I voted for this man.

  • Posted By: baccaruda @ 12/11/2008 9:26:24 PM

    By reading the article, is states that Obama would show appreciation, but nothing else. That says Obama knew about it and let it go on. The legislative process, hah, thats laughable. He is part of the legislative process, so he should know how useless that route is. Had he reported it to the FBI immediately, now that would have gotten results. So if your in the know, how long did Obama know before it broke? Must have been a long time if he tried to stop it through legislation...

    • Posted By: jajuan323 @ 12/11/2008 10:35:56 PM

      Actually if some local Chicago media circles are correct, it's very possible that it was Rahm Emmanuel who turned the Governor in. So there goes your argument that the transition team let the scheme go on. And again I remind everyone of the Governors own words that Obama would not play the game. Why do you think he was so pissed? Or are we again trying to ignore the motherf---er and f--- him parts of the tape that reveals the Governor's tirade that Obama wouldn't play ball

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 11:12:56 PM

        My inferences are the same.

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 12/11/2008 10:35:56 PM

    While Obama supported ethics reforms as a state senator, he still "has an ambiguous reputation among those trying to clean up Illinois politics," John Fund wrote in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday.
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    It's important to note that John Fund is a notorious liar and right wing nut job, writing for a news paper run by Rupert Murdock, the purveyor of fair and balanced bull crap on Fox News.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 11:09:42 PM

      Fix 'News' embarrases me.

  • Posted By: lee266 @ 12/11/2008 9:11:58 PM

    you are reading way too much in to it. Governor kneew better than ask Obama anything in return. Read the article in the daily kos about how Obama actuall try to stop him thru the legislative process.It is ssad that some people who comment are not well informed or even cynics. He has written one of the best books any president ever wrote ''Dreams from my father''. He is not perfect but his is a better man that many in politics, and he is our president and he has my support.

    • Posted By: Ken Erd @ 12/11/2008 9:35:26 PM

      It does give me pleasure to see a comment from someone who reads. From both "Dreams of my Father" and "Audacity of Hope" I find myself to have some of tha audacity. I fervently pray that Barack Husein Obama turns out to be of the caliber of which his books have instilled in my heart.

      I love America. We have had presidents in the past who have not lived up to the expectations of the people who voted for their election. Ulysses Simpson Grant is an example that quickly comes to mind. Certainly he was one of our greatest general officers and a man high in the admiration and gratitude of the nation but his administration was badly mired by the general corruption of the time. God grant that we do not have another such administration. It is my earnest belief that the incoming administration will be one we can look back on with pride rather than disappointment.

      In reviewing the responses which I have perused on this and other public forums it leaves a rather queasy feeling to realize that so many have written not with the concept of allowing time to pass to evaluate our incoming President, but with harsh judgement based upon every negative twig that can be placed on the tree. It recalls to mind the response of a well-known teacher who when asked if they could proceed with the punishment for a crime responded in the affirmative but said that the first stone should be cast by the man who had himself no imperfection. I know if my life hisory were to be closely investigated I would be both mortified and ashamed.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 9:40:36 PM

        One of the best posts I've read. Thank you, Ken Erd.

        • Posted By: Ken Erd @ 12/11/2008 10:21:45 PM

          Ah, Sir or Madam 40YearR, whichever the case may be, you make me blush. You also make think that perhaps I should run for the presidency some day, but by the time the election of 2016 rolls around it could be that I will be a tad too old for consideration if I am still around. At the age of eighty-one I have to accept that the guarantee of such longevity is something of which I do have serious doubts. There was a period of time when I considered myself to be a Republican although in the latter stages of the particular period of time I had begun voting for the man and not the party. Richard Milhouse Nixon absolutely convinced me of the error of my ways. Nowadays regretfully I cannot vote at all. Both my wife and I are American citizens in good standing but as we are expatriates living abroad we have no state of residence from which we can obtain absentee ballots. Thus the best we can do is to pray for the welfare of our country and hope that the general electorate is correct in its vision. I should add that I hope that never again to the courts feel compelled to thwart that vision of the people. Surely if at one point in time there had been no judicial interference the global warming which plagues the world might not now be so critically severe.

          Ken Erd

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 11:03:28 PM

            Male, thanks. You reinforce my opposition to age discrimination, Ken. Check around NW from time to time. There are some interesting discussions sometimes. Too bad on that ballot thing. Good thing we didn't need your vote this time. I hope that what you are saying is that you travel a lot. That would be grand.

            I flunked the Nixon lesson. At least, my ideology kept me thinking that the R was the better man. I won't make that mistake again. At least I got it right this time, which involves the most perilous circumstances I've seen.

  • Posted By: Impressed citizen @ 12/11/2008 10:31:33 PM

    As the Author of this article (Michael Hirsh) writes, although Obama may not be 'an angle', however I have an intutive feeling that he will prove to be one of the best and finest presidents that this country had (or going to have), through his integrity, commitment for change and hope for a good tomorrow and with all the necessary effort that is needed to bring that change. Of course, it is not the color of the skin based on which we need to decide the individual, but only by their personalities. Good people exist in the entire color spectrum of human race, just as bad people do in it. Let us wait and see.....

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/11/2008 10:40:45 PM

      "Good people exist in the entire color spectrum of human race, just as bad people do in it. Let us wait and see....."

      Amen.

  • Posted By: amandameow @ 12/11/2008 10:17:04 PM

    It's crazy to think that a senator can come from a state with such a corrupt govenor and with the Rezko ties between obama and the govenor as well....I think this journalist has it wrong. Turning a blind eye or not being assertive about corruption is as bad as doing it yourself.

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