Lobbying Is Democracy in Action

We're a collection of special interests. If people can't organize to influence the government, then democracy is dead.

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  • Posted By: lw/w&w @ 12/31/2008 6:53:57 PM

    No one said that you can't lobby: everyone has the right to form an assembly and to protest. But it should be against the law to spread money around to the politicians while you try to influence them. No more free meals, vacations (three day or otherwise), no more free anything but advise. Period.

  • Posted By: charliecycle @ 12/23/2008 4:10:01 PM

    53,000 lobbyists in Washington who give billions pretty my equally to our congressmen, senators and the President. In the business world we call that management by influence. So who has more influence the voter, NOT!

    Nothing against the principle of lobbyist and why we should have them but what needs to change is that they can give not one penny to any candidate in any way shape or manner. Then we could all sit back and watch the 53,000 number decrease dramatically. The maybe our votes would really count.

  • Posted By: Generic Person @ 12/18/2008 3:16:26 AM

    The backlash for this article is disturbing, more so than usual. The author claims that Government is not ruled by super rich interest groups. To support his argument he states that the richest pay more than half the taxes, and do not receive much of Government aid. Rather than try to argue that this does not support his argument, people have merely shouted 'your wrong' and pointed to a few vivid examples.

    Do you want to know why you disagree with the article? It's because it challenges your beliefs. It challenges your inert, closed minds, and you instinctively lash out against that.

    Mr. Samuelson is no different from the astronomer claiming the world is round and being killed because of it.

    Prove me wrong cowards, I dare you, prove me wrong.

    • Posted By: deadhorse @ 12/23/2008 2:11:16 AM

      Why so much anger; does calling people on the internet names make you feel like a big man? Are you a lobbyist yourself? Is this why you're so emotionally invested in this?

      Coolbear has already proven the point I was going to make. Whether we agree or disagree; you really need to lighten up...

  • Posted By: coolbear3 @ 12/21/2008 10:09:47 PM

    The top 10% pay 55% of 25% of the taxes. Federal income taxes are 25% of all taxes. The pay for play aspect of lobbying has robbed us of our democracy. Samuelson's spin is an ideology without basis in fact, and consequently has given us terrible results when implemented. Obama provides hope that we can take back our democracy.

  • Posted By: Galasso @ 12/17/2008 12:55:41 AM

    So let me get this straight Samuelson - if I don't have a lobbyist working on my behalf - I am pretty much stuck with my vote as my only participation in the process - is that right? Do Congressional representatives not listen to their constituencies anymore? And do you really believe that all lobbyists bring "facts" to the table when they're wining and dining Congressmen?

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/17/2008 8:07:15 PM

      Lobbyist are their "constituencies" whose opinion at least can be understood. "Listen to the people - good slogan, but you can lose your brain trying to understand what they want. In fact, whatever you decide - atleast 60% of your voters will not be satisfied.

      • Posted By: Galasso @ 12/20/2008 11:40:37 AM

        I suppose you are right. When I think of lobbyists the group who convinced the government to allow them to store all the nuclear waste from the power plants in my home state comes to mind. I am sure that the people at large had no voice in this decision. I am sure it is a more complex arrangement than with which the average person can identify. There's the gun lobby, the oil lobby, the save the earth lobby, all manner of industries battling regulations and taxes, unions, ad infinitum. The difference is that the groups who win the audience with the legislator have the money and usually something to offer the rep's district in the form of quid pro quo, ie - you let me store all my nasty nuclear waste in your beautiful State and I will provide 2000 new jobs - for which you will get the credit - and I will give you a Mercedes Benz". The bigger govt becomes and the more lobbyists we have, we will sadly see more of this type of influence peddling.

  • Posted By: Endoretic @ 12/20/2008 2:35:38 AM

    With all the cynical, emotional rancor one usually endures when discussing politics, it is refreshing to read something that is more rational, reasoned, and disinterested. It's not all a plot. Usually it can only be one way, but there are millions of opinions, so the process of making the decisions (outside of autocratic or oligarchic rule) is bound to look messy. Also, the chances of getting it right the first or second times are slim.

  • Posted By: Endoretic @ 12/20/2008 2:34:45 AM

    With all the cynical, emotional rancor one usually endures when discussing politics, it is refreshing to read something that is more rational, reasoned, and disinterested. It's not 'all a big plot. Usually, it can only be one way, but there are millions of opinions; so, the process of making the decisions (outside of autocratic or oligarchic rule) is bound to look messy. Also, the chances of getting it right the first or second times are slim.

  • Posted By: Voter #x @ 12/17/2008 9:18:25 AM

    Now lobbyists have a bad wrap? These are the guys we THE PEOPLE voted that we wanted to be removed from influence in Washington. Another bait and switch. How does the guy in the most corrput political area of the country get elected by saying he is going to stop this crap when he never did a thing to do so in an area with sooo much low hanging fruit? Now you are telling me he won't execute on this promise either. Tell me again how we are supposed to have any belief in the system or the press. You mean to tell me you could not have written this article BEFORE the election? I'm starting to believe teh right more and more. The media is not to be trusted.

    • Posted By: Generic Person @ 12/18/2008 2:53:03 AM

      You, I'm getting sick of saying this, read the article before you comment, you're making an idiot of yourself.

  • Posted By: brydges @ 12/17/2008 10:18:57 AM

    Newsweek has become a glorified tabloid catering to democrats. They change their view of the world to appease the current political agenda of liberals. A year a go this same rag would have been bashing lobbyists calling them special interest rebublican foot soldiers. What journalism school teaches this kind of yellow journalism. Another case of a once prestegious profession losing track of values.

    • Posted By: Generic Person @ 12/18/2008 2:51:15 AM

      You, you're a joke, do you hear me, I'm openly insulting you. I know you didn't read the article because you contradicted it. Besides, the author has been saying this since before the Clinton administration.

  • Posted By: Cubz_Fan @ 12/17/2008 9:52:56 AM

    So now lobbyis, lobbyists, and special interests are "Democracy in Action"? I thought they were evil and corrupting the democratic process? Oh... that's right. They were evil when speaking of McCain. When pseaking of Obama, and his connection to special interest groups, it's a plus for the country.

    The media is a joke. Since you were the only reason he got elected, I will enjoy watching Obama punk all of you into submission like he did the Chicago Tribune reporter who asked him about Blago.

    • Posted By: Generic Person @ 12/18/2008 2:49:26 AM

      It's eerily clear that you just read the title and commented, without reading the article. Please don't jump to conclusions.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/17/2008 8:00:03 PM

      What do you want, vote onece per 4 years, and then rely that President will do everything right without any feedback? it is idealistic dream.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 12/16/2008 10:13:21 PM

    The current system is not democracy at all. It is NOT from the people, by the people it is all for the lobbyists. More like a mornarchy with the lobbyist and advisors as members of the king's court. The US is a psuedo mornarchy currently with King George (boots ducking) Bush!

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/17/2008 8:08:30 PM

      You have elected Obama - still no Democracy? Then ask commuists, they know what to do.

    • Posted By: Generic Person @ 12/17/2008 1:13:52 AM

      Spam.

  • Posted By: decraig @ 12/17/2008 5:41:01 PM

    Lobbying is NOT democracy in action. VOTING is democracy in action. I don't vote for any lobbyist. Evenwith those lobbies I generally support, I do not choose their platform. At their best, lobbyists can educate legislators. At their worst, they are bullies.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/17/2008 7:56:17 PM

      If you believed that you voted against lobbyists - you were duped by Obama. Either Obama understood that this promise was empty and lied, or he was unexperienced and naive (most likely).

  • Posted By: just jerry @ 12/17/2008 10:24:43 AM

    This is all part of the big lie typical of any political campaign - that you can undo the influence of lobbyists in
    Washington DC. Obama is a politician, and a good one.--he knew the truth all along. Just as he successfully used an anti- Clinton camapign during the primary and then set about to recreate a third Clinton administration once elected; he successfully camapigned against all the usual power brokers in Washington DC(and yet he had the support of all those power brokers) and has depended upon them for the formation of his government.
    Of course, the lobbyists will have a field day under Obama; just like everything else in the campaign about real change in Washington DC it was all typical political hype by a skilled orator who is a typical politician and knows the difference between reality and a political campaign. His problem now is with all the true believers and his only answer is that the multiple problems we face are so problematic that he needs experienced hands on deck, people who know how to make Washington work - his true believers are stuck because the real problems were caused by that same group according to what he said in his camapign. The reality is that we do need experienced hands on deck, including lobbyists that are stake holders in solving our problems, and his pretense that he would do away with all of these groups of beltway insiders was only a political ploy that worked because people are fed up with Washington.
    Hopefully, the people will retain their anger with all these folks in Washington and keep up the pressure for change on Barack Obama so that maybe, just maybe, they will use all the typical Washington methods productively while working in the interests of the people instead of saying that is what they are doing and then cynically using their power destructively to enrich themselves and those seeking their favor.

  • Posted By: Voter #x @ 12/17/2008 9:17:17 AM

    Now lobbyists have a bad wrap? These are the guys we THE PEOPLE voted that we wanted to be removed from influence in Washington. Another bait and switch. How does the guy in the most corrput political area of the country get elected by saying he is going to stop this crap when he never did a thing to do so in an area with sooo much low hanging fruit? Now you are telling me he won't execute on this promise either. Tell me again how we are supposed to have any belief in the system or the press. You mean to tell me you could not have written this article BEFORE the election? I'm starting to believe teh right more and more. The media is not to be trusted.

  • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 12/17/2008 9:11:45 AM

    I thought lobbyists were demon spawn? I guess now that Obama has been putting some in his administration, well, now it's OK.

  • Posted By: dantzat @ 12/17/2008 9:03:25 AM

    Whats amazing to me is how so many people say that Obama is going to expand government, I would be wilingl to bet he does not expand it as much as Bush has. Also, most lobbying is in the form of Corporate/Rich Man greed, I do not consider this expression of the people.

  • Posted By: netracy @ 12/17/2008 5:37:42 AM

    Yeah but, who started all of this mess?

  • Posted By: Ziggy45 @ 12/16/2008 12:55:08 PM

    Lobbys have sent our jobs overseas raised our insurance rates and charge card rates and almost everything else. There are some good causes for needy children but for the most part they have linned the pockets of greedy politicians and and given the the rest of us the shaff. We do do not have the money to compete

    • Posted By: Generic Person @ 12/17/2008 1:10:08 AM

      That's great Ziggy, but I can tell by the way you write that you didn't actually look into the subject, your just telling me the assumptions you picked up from the occasional headline and political rhetoric.

      There's enough meatless propaganda supporting your side of the argument out there without you needing to add to the pile.

  • Posted By: Ziggy45 @ 12/16/2008 12:49:33 PM

    Lobbys do have some good causes but for the most part they have raised our costs on insurance and almost everything else. They have sent our jobs overseas. They have the money that the average person does not have and can not compete with to line the pockets of greedy politicians. This Goverment has become self serving and and extremely Dishonest

  • Posted By: mjbeggs @ 12/16/2008 12:11:48 PM

    The relationship of lobbyists and politicians is similar to that of pimps and whores.

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