Jindal is a nutcase and will make a great running mate for Palin. Dumb and Dumber Redux
POLITICS
Their Own Obama
Bobby Jindal is in no way running for president. Or so he told Iowa.
Published Dec 13, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Dec 22, 2008
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Posted By: Richard McDonough @ 02/25/2009 2:29:17 PM
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 9:49:37 AM
This is a nice People magazine piece, but I didn't see anything declaring his stand on real issues.
If he is anything like Obama, he is not a Republican. Unfortunately, neither McCain nor Bush were Republicans. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen a true Republican as President since 1988; just the compassionate conservatives which is another word for liberal.
This should make the libs happy though. They want to be coddled, protected from their own irresponsibility and given cradle to grave government health and financial care. It is too bad Americans have lost the ability to be self reliant. Instead you are victims of class envy- angry because you chose beer night with your friends instead of studying late for difficult but valuable set of degrees.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 1:41:35 PM
That's right, anyone who is not a radical right winger doesn't deserve to be in the republican party. Do you suppose that might be why the party is shrinking?
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 2:27:03 PM
I think the party has not seen a reduction in size- only dismay from the base at what the party has become.
This election, the party tried to appease the independents with a center-left RINO. He ran against a lefty posing as a centrist. In the end, the true conservatives had no candidate in the race. I was asked repeatedly "are you going to refrain from voting just to make statement?" I will say my statement is if the party will only send up milquetoast candidates, I will be Libertarian. I voted the same way when they sent Dole in to fight Clinton.
Out of 300 million people in the U.S. (half of which have at least a clue about politics and human nature), you would think either party could have chosen better. The selection was terrible all around (see VP debate).
My only consolation is that both parties operate from the same playbook. All of the new Congressmen, Senators and the new President who have promised to balance the budget, reduce the debt, make government more efficient, make the country more secure and less energy dependent, will go about business as usual.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 2:39:55 PM
"I think the party has not seen a reduction in size- only dismay from the base at what the party has become."
That's where you're blowing it. When I joined, 'the base' were the moderates. Then Rove, that genius, came up with that 51% strategy, and the party began pandering to the LIVs, ultras, and religiofascists like you who consider one of the brightest and most capable moderate young republicans we have to be 'liberals'. You're one of the ones who are doing that. You are driving away all the moderates, and there aren't enough LIVs to replace us. That's why the party lost this election despite the biggest lie, smear, hate propaganda campaign in history.
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 3:27:57 PM
Sorry, I must have been napping. Who were you referring to as "one of the brightest and most capable moderate young republicans"?
You are correct that reducing the debt will be difficult since the RINO, Bush, has cut taxes while spending like a drunken Democrat (at least he got half of the equation right). But balancing the budget is extremely easy to do. The President along with his Congress simply need to cut the wreckless spending on social programs- here and abroad- and the tens of thousands of bureaucrats that turn those cogs of government. This is called among true conservatives "reducing the size of government".
Yes I am among the religious right and probably an ultraconservative, but I do have values. I am unsure the Republican party is for you. You appear to be, to the casual observer, a far left liberal. You may actually be disappointed not because the party has moved away from you, but because you are Democrat in the wrong party.
-21 year Republican-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 6:00:48 PM
"You are correct that reducing the debt will be difficult since the RINO, Bush, has cut taxes while spending like a drunken Democrat (at least he got half of the equation right). But balancing the budget is extremely easy to do. The President along with his Congress simply need to cut the wreckless spending on social programs- "
I'm one of the last who would be inclined to be an apologist for democrats, but I do not think chanting mantras are going to improve the republican party. Our budget deficit has nothing to do with social problems. As much as I dislike Clinton, that 'drunken Democrat'' left us with a balanced budget. Aside from the contribution of republicans, that 'drunken Democrat' did not spend all that came in, let alone run up that deficit that Bush did. Tell me of a republican who has done better than Clinton on this score? I ask this because after 40 years of party loyalty, this last election's propaganda has caused me to conclude that I should pay a lot closer attention to facts and the candidate than the jingos you are tossing around.
"Yes I am among the religious right" As long as you respect the Constitution and don't try to impose your religious views on the rest of us through politics, your religion is of no concern to me.
"but I do have values." Please just don't declare yourself as the only one, ok?
"I am unsure the Republican party is for you." You presume to make that judgment for me?
"You appear to be, to the casual observer, a far left liberal." No, only to the ignorant observers.
"You may actually be disappointed not because the party has moved away from you, but because you are Democrat in the wrong party."
I am not a democrat. I am more than disappointed with what has happened to the party, I am appalled. The hate, smear, lies and distortions of this last election, and Sarah Palin for example, are reflections of the radicals like you. Just as you, like many of those cancers in the party, feel entitled to consider a nonradical as unwelcome in the party. Those kinds of things and such attitudes are why the presidential election was lost, and why the party will shrivel to nothing if the sensible party leaders don't so something about it.
-21 year Republican-
Posted By: Narxist @ 12/19/2008 9:40:07 AM
Just to make your views clear, what are some of the "radical" ideals that you disapprove of in the party and what are the "moderate" views you stand behind. I am only curious to see if we are truly that far apart.
The only thing that surprised me in your comments was the insinuation that I am radical because I support self reliance- not government dependence.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/20/2008 3:07:26 PM
I oppose neocons, religiofascists, racists. liars, those who sought to steal the election through propagana, those who insist on recapitulating those lies and smears and dismiss the debunks of them as just radlib falsehoods, those who cannot see how the ultraconservates and such are a cancer on the party, those who need to ignorantly blame the loss of the election on the press rather than acknowledging that moderates are repelled by the practices of the ultras and propagandists in this election and the abuses of the lobbyist lackeys who ruined our economy and who ran McC's campaign. I expect we are far apart on most if not all of this.
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/21/2008 2:40:15 PM
Lies, smears whatever... That is politics.
What was asking is:
Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Do you believe in social security?
Do you believe in welfare?
Do you believe in gun control?
Are you for loosening immigration or tightening it?
Are you for or against foreign aid?
Do you believe in a strong defense department or is it a waste?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/21/2008 5:13:19 PM
I notice you ask me to tell mine before you tell yours, I guess I'll participate one more time.
"Lies, smears whatever... That is politics." That and the extremists are what is wrong with the party. To dimiss corruption of our political process as acceptable, is symptomatic. I will vote against such things as long as the party engages in it as something appropriate.
"Are you pro-life or pro-choice?" Choice. I do not wish to debate relative views, though. It gets too wrapped up in religious views, for one thing.
"Do you believe in social security?" Certainly. I paid into the system at the max rate for most of the last 45 years. I want mine, and I do not believe any civilized society should abandon those who cannot live in this society, or those who paid as I did.
"Do you believe in welfare?" In appropriate cases, not as an atm for those who abuse the system. Complete abolition would be unrealistic.
"Do you believe in gun control?" I do not read the second amendment so absolutely as to prohibit all regulation of guns, licenses, banning on school campuses, etc. I would be among the first to rebel if I thought there were any risk of citizens not being able to own guns generally.
"Are you for loosening immigration or tightening it?" Tightening. A country that cannot control its borders is no longer a nation or it is in jeapordy of losing it.
"Are you for or against foreign aid?" I think of isolationism as unrealistic in this world in this age. There are appropriate diplomatic and humanistic uses for such. It is a matter of degree and circumstance.
"Do you believe in a strong defense department or is it a waste?" Totally for a strong defense. How the Iraq invasion was blown is an issue for me. I was in favor of it to get boots on the ground in an unstable region and to protect oil supplies. I never believed and object to the propaganda campaign to sell the public on it.
I no longer see the party 'platforms' as so meaningful anymore, as I see the extremes and insistence of right wingers. I think that the extremists on the right should be as irrelevant to what my party should represent, as are the communists to the democratic party.
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/19/2008 9:47:33 AM
"Our budget deficit has nothing to do with social problems. As much as I dislike Clinton, that 'drunken Democrat'' left us with a balanced budget."
I know that you aren't really trying to pull this one over on anyone. :-) Clinton changed the accounting practices for the budget the year before. The budget actually grew the following year (as it always does) but the new GAAP adopted by the government ensured a "balanced budget". Bill Clinton balanced the budget as much as Algore invented the internet.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/20/2008 1:45:07 AM
So I should ignore my recollection of economic circumstances then compared to now?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 2:44:25 PM
"All of the new Congressmen, Senators and the new President who have promised to balance the budget, reduce the debt, make government more efficient, make the country more secure and less energy dependent, will go about business as usual."
Balancing the budget, reducing the budget are going to be difficult given what's been done the last 8 years, don't you think?
And we're behind the eight ball on energy independence the way Cheney ran our 'energy policy' through secret meetings with big oil.
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Posted By: ngshmshd @ 12/19/2008 11:44:22 PM
>But a veep slot???or 2016???is possible.
I think he will avoid even veep slot in 2012.
As much as Old soldier team, Application for "sacrificial lamb" candidate's veep do nothing other than hurting his political career in vain. His political acuity of smelling knowing better than to do so has alredy certified.
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Posted By: tiredofobama @ 12/18/2008 10:32:59 PM
40YearOld. I may not agree with some of what you say, but I will commend you on one thing. You aren't getting down in the mud and hurling out juvenile insults. I did not vote for Obama. I don't like Bush either, but honestly, I felt that all Obama showed was mainly empty "feel good" rhetoric with little or no substance. Anytime that I expressed this, people such as Harley got on here and spouted ridiculous insults. I willl admit that I got down in the gutter with them. You on the other hand seem to be thoughtul and you even seem to listen to other's views even if you do not agree. Thank you, and I mean that sincerely, for being respectful. Merry Christmas,
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/19/2008 8:20:25 PM
Thank you tiredof. I appreciate your comments. In terms of listening, don't we all have to reexamine our views all the time? We might learn something. If we differ, then I want to understand the other view, if only better to see the flaws. I do prefer to discuss, and arguing is ok too. In either case, there is a chance of getting somewhere. It seems more effective for me in an argument to not obscure or minimize my point with gratuities. But, I have gotten down into the mud, and have things that I should not have.
Others here are far more witty than I, but I do like to yank on tails. And I tend to express contempt. There are a group here who already know each other so well that a certain slang is involved. That's ok by me as long if it does not get into racism, etc. I have to say also that I've only been here about six weeks, I have been stunned how much of the propaganda campaign of racism, lies, fear, etc. there has been. It seems that there is much hate and fear monering on the right. It disgusts me. That has died down a little, but I have a deep contempt for such and do want to provide abundant negative feedback. Others, have apparently gotten way past their tolerance and decide to respond in a way that demonstrates, in addition to saying, their contempt. I find myself agreeing with them fairly often.
I, too, thought Obama was empty. I then read his books. I believe he is a man of substance. The Messiah thing is just another smear that exaggerates what he has actually said. He has spoken of hope much, but that is not the sum of him by any means, at least as far as I can see to this point. I am grateful that he will be our President in these difficult times.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
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Posted By: brydges @ 12/15/2008 3:29:26 PM
Aturnerhill - there are balck men which I consider my equal in every way. I have several friends that are black which I treat as my equal. They are respectable hard working people with true values. Then there is you which is the reason why the N word has yet to be taken out of peoples vocabulary. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being
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Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 3:38:09 PM
Awe? Did little brydges get his / her feelings hurt? I have an engineering degree, a law degree and own two businesses. Trust me when I say that your comments have no effect on me.
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Posted By: brydges @ 12/15/2008 3:49:06 PM
ATurner(Typical)III -Trust me when I know they should. If they don't then you just proved my point. Two degrees and two businesses I guess affirmative action really helped you out because intelligence didn't
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Posted By: peggyanne49 @ 12/17/2008 12:08:45 PM
Afirmative Action was not devised just for blacks. It includes all minorities as well as white women, many of whom have benefitte from it. All men are created equal. Degress, money, etc., does not make you more or less than someone else. Do you have this same feeling towards other minorities or just Blacks? Good people from all walks of life exist just as evil people exist also. Thank God for Jesus. Please stop saying 90% of blacks voted for Obama b ecause just because of his race. 90% of us also voted for Clinton - we vote mainly for the Democrat candidate.
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Posted By: brydges @ 12/19/2008 2:25:38 PM
no 90% did not vote for Clinton thjey stayed home as in past elections. What brought them out this time?
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Posted By: destinybe @ 12/17/2008 2:02:16 PM
Studying to earn a degree or run a business does not mean you are an upstanding, respectable, inteligent man.
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Posted By: tiredofobama @ 12/18/2008 9:32:40 PM
Bobby Gindal would be an excellent President. Why? One, he has shown that he can lead a state such as Louisiana with all of the problems that has come their way since Katrina. Under the failed Dumbacrapic leadership of Kathleen Blanco (aptly named). Louisiana suffered greatly. So Gindal has indeed proven that he is an intelligent and capable leader. He is positive and unlike the Obamists, he doesn't throw mud and play the race card.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 10:19:44 PM
Bobby Jindal is looking good to me too. But, as someone who started out a skeptic and was looking for such things, I have to say that Obama did not play the race card or throw mud, he was on the receiving end of that like I've never seen in 40 years of paying attention.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/19/2008 1:07:15 PM
Ditto on your comment 40YearR and I like Bobby Jindal too.
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Posted By: jbentley4 @ 12/15/2008 10:17:42 AM
Jindal may be bright, articulate and dark-skinned, but to match Obama, he needs to break the ideological mold of the Republican party and to this point, there is nothing to indicate that he is more than a movement conservative, a movement whose policies have nearly wrecked our country over the past eight years.
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Posted By: jh35180 @ 12/19/2008 10:30:11 AM
He has. He is much smarter than Obama.
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Posted By: AngelicDemocrat @ 12/18/2008 3:07:10 AM
My God..........I am a Democrat Roman Catholic..........but Jindal does not appear to me to be the kind of Republican sleezeball that is usually popular in that party. Maybe we can convert him to join the " LEFT ".
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/19/2008 10:09:51 AM
Since you brought your religion into this, I have always had a question for "Christian" democrats. I am not trying to be obnoxious, merely curious.
The democratic party and its members are pro-choice. If Christians do not defend the defenseless, as they are called to do, who will. I cannot understand why someone can support the murder of children. Those same people are appalled at the concentration camps in Germany; asking how the Germans could stand by while innocents were murdered.
I often hear that some people say he or she is just a mass of cells, not understanding what happening to them anyway. Do those people really believe fetuses do not feel the saline solution killing them? or in late term the piercing of their skull?
Also, some say that they only agree with abortion in cases of rape or incest. This is a hard one even for me. But at what age would you decide that children should not have to pay for the sins of their father. If a three year old child is found to be a product of incest, should she be taken to the gas chamber? Is this too late? At what point is it not too late- after all planned parenthood will not take a child until he or she is six weeks into development.
But enough from me. I'm sure you've heard all of this before. I am interested in what you have to say.
-A member of the religious right
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Posted By: dchandra16 @ 12/16/2008 12:09:03 AM
I am very surprised that Jindal is being annointed the Republican savior. Yes, he's intelligent and precocious.
There are many reasons why I don't believe Jindal will ever be elected president.
1) His physical stature. Jindal looks like he's about 5'7" and weighs 140 pounds soaking wet. In America, people like their male leaders to look macho not runty. Look at Obama: he is 6'2???. He???s skinny but athletic. McCain is the only short guy who had a chance to be president- Why? Because as a POW for 5 years, nobody could question his "macho-ness".
2) His looks. Simply put: Jindal is ugly. This matters more than people think. If you're a younger guy (i.e. less than 50) running for president, you need to be somewhat telegenic. Once you're past 55, looks matter much less.
3) His ethnicity. Jindal is of Indian descent (they make up less than 1% of the U.S. population). This does not give him a substantial base to launch an effective primary campaign. In contrast, blacks comprise over 10% of the country and were instrumental in his getting the nomination over Hillary.
4) He's not smooth like Obama. Yes, he's intelligent like Obama- but lacks the charm, gravitas, and eloquence that Obama possesses.
5) His voice is shallow and nasal sounding. Again, see #1, this makes him look less presidential.
6) Ever see him in an interview? He talks a mile a minute and doesn't know when to shut up. In contrast, Obama was always cool and collected and in total control.
7) My perception of Jindal is that his personality is a bit harsh. This is rather common for people from the state where he's from in India (Punjab). It suffices to say that many people don't like that in a leader. Our last 6 presidents have had a much better personality than Jindal: Carter (good), Reagan (amazing), Bush 41 (grandfatherly), Clinton (smooth), Bush 43 (nice), and Obama (excellent). Jindal???s personality is average at best.
8) Jindal lacks American roots. Obama's roots are far more American than Jindal's. Remember, Obama's mother's family traced their roots back at least 200 years. He constantly talked on the campaign trail about his grandparents (grandfather serving in Patton's army and grandmother working on a WWII bomber assembly line). With Jindal, both of his parents are foreign. Also, Jindal???s wife (Supriya) is also first generation Indian. In contrast, Michelle Obama's family has very deep American roots - at least 5 generations.
9) Don???t overestimate Jindal???s appeal with Christain conservatives. Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, and Steve Schmidt don???t speak for the evangelicals. Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee are much more popular. I remember another executive that was being pushed by these same guys: Rudy Giuliani, anyone?
10) The novelty with having a non-white president will be over after Obama. Nobody will rush to have another one. How many Catholic presidents have there been since JFK? None.-
Posted By: jh35180 @ 12/19/2008 9:49:46 AM
I hate to admit it but so many people do vote style over substance. Gindal has much more substance than Obama. However, Obama's handlers pushed this snake oil saleman on us and we are unfortunately stuck with this clown for 4 years anyhow. Of course, some idiot like Harley will come on here and play the race card. If you don't like Obama and don't kiss up to Obama so many of idiots assume that you are racist.
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Posted By: emmarcee @ 12/16/2008 11:44:44 AM
let me guess. A Hindu racist brother or sister? who is pissed off because he turned catholic? (otherwise you will not mention the "state" and "punjab". This forum is reeking. Shoot it down. I cann't believe hard core Obama supporters go around attacking Jindal for beiing "non american" . I believe liberals are the worst. All they care about is their agenda.
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Posted By: tiredofobama @ 12/18/2008 9:39:07 PM
40YearR. Let us also look at crooks such as Chris "Countrywide" Dodd and Barney "let's prop up Fanniemae and Freddymac" Frank? If you are going to bring up Republican crooks fine, but we need to clean up the whole mess and Dems helped mess things up as well.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 10:15:32 PM
I have to say, tired, that this belief is just a product of that preemptive blame annonymous email. When that showed up, I wondered why and looked into it. The short version is that the bigger problem was the trading in Credit Default Swaps and similar unregulated securities. More than $500 trillion of them by 2006. That is much bigger than the mortgage crisis, why all the billions had to be injected into the financial institutions, and why just buying bad mortgages couldn't solve the problem. The few thousands of donations to Dems by Fannie and Freddie were dwarfed by the many millions they spent on lobbyist fees to lobby Rs only against regulation. It is spelled out in these articles
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/24davis.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26859857/from/ET/
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Posted By: tiredofobama @ 12/18/2008 9:51:01 PM
40YearR. Some of what you say is true. Laissez faire economics did contribute to the Great Depression. But FDR's social programs did not exactly get us out of the depression either. Honestly, the war got us out of WWII. On the one hand, I feel that we must have a vibrant Big 3 producing American automobiles, but Obamists style rehased WPA programs will not be the answer. We have been screwed too long with idiotic and one sided trade deals that have favored neraly everybody but us. I hold the Repigs as Harley calls them and the Democraps responsible for this mess. Sure much greed from the wealthy got us in this shape, but faulty loans that Dems were for also got us here as well. There is plaenty of blame for all to receive. That is why Bobby Gindal, not Bararck Obama, would be better suited to be President.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 10:07:26 PM
Hello tired, I understand that FDR's programs could not solve that depression and that WWII did. But FDR had to do what he could, and it did aleviate a lot of suffering and many public works we still enjoy today resulted. I am concerned that the financial crisis we have now might be so fundamental that whatever is done will only prevent things from being worse. Some of the most prominent economists are saying that. What gripes me is that so many in my party will not take responsibility and will just try to shift the blame to the new president. The party has got to come up with a new approach.
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Posted By: tiredofobama @ 12/18/2008 9:21:23 PM
Cameron8 For someone who talks about Southern and Republican bigotry, ypur comments wreak of bigotry and ignorance. I don't doubt that you probably encountered bigotry and racism in Biloxi, MS. Guess wha?, I heard bigoted and racist comments in MAINE. Also, I recently read about whites in Boston, Mass who attacked blacks into a South Boston neighborhood back in 1974. What about the LA police? Ooops, did I touch a nerve? Cameron, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. So many of you on the left are a bunch of phonies. Get over yourself.
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 5:56:55 PM
This was a land that once rewarded hard work and enterprise. A place where one's word was his bond. America was the land of opportunity. If you can't do it here, you cannot do it anywhere. We were a people to be envied, not only because we had the highest standard living, but because we had the greatest degree of stability.
Americans were notoriously optimistic because we counted on tomorrow being better than yesterday. We were an open people dependent on fair play and a free market bounded by a standard of virtue. With all the blemishes in our past and breaches in our own ethics, we were a model of civic rectitude. "Dems that gives, gets;" those who wish to bilk the system will be discovered and isolated.
There was a time not so long ago when people did not depend on government to bail them out of financial difficulty, a time when the nanny state bred apprehension, not affection. Now, it seems, in the new America almost everyone wants a free ride. The non-tax payer wants a rebate from the taxpayer. The poor man wants everything the rich man has and he wants the rich man to give it to him.
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Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 5:57:46 PM
...Continued
Enemies of the nation, it turns out, are not enemies at all; we merely defined them as adversaries. Had we been clever in the past, we could have defined them out of existence. All we have to do is engage in "soft power," diplomacy and clever negotiating skill. Surely those who want to kill us will be persuaded that swords should be converted into plowshares. It's odd, but Osama bin Laden doesn't seem to embrace this position.
The America of now is one where Orwellian logic rules. Redistribution of wealth is fairness. Taxes are patriotic. The free market should be a regulated market. Big government is good for you. Politicians know what kind of health care is best for you. Choice should be limited, except when it comes to abortion. Power comes from being powerless. Progressive education is designed to promote progress toward socialism. Race doesn't count unless a person of color tells you it counts. Higher education gets lower each year. Those who create our problems should be asked to solve them. Religion should be a private matter that does not inform public morality. Liberal is radical. Free speech is selective speech. Courage is impetuousness.
Yes, Americans - many Americans - want change. The level of dissatisfaction runs deep. But the national cri de coeur hasn't a direction. That's what makes it so dangerous. Americans live better than at any moment in our collective history, notwithstanding the meltdown on Wall Street, yet despair is ubiquitous. Admittedly observing 401K accounts disappear as soap bubbles will make anyone angry. Nonetheless, it is a privilege to live in the land of the free, a privilege now regarded as an entitlement.
Surely we face threats across the globe that cannot be easily forestalled. Arguably the most significant threat is from within in the form of an unregulated government, a government large, intrusive and seductive. This is the new American government that promises everything and demands very little from its citizens. "Shop until you drop" is the national anthem. After all, you don't have to fight if you don't want to and you don't have to sacrifice if that's too much for you. All you have to do is visit malls and keep opinions to yourself. Opinions are important since Truth Squads want to be sure you don't criticize the chosen candidate.
I have my doubts. Now the change agents scream "everything will be different." Alas, they are right. It appears as if everything will be different, most especially the end of an America I loved.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 6:48:28 PM
"All we have to do is engage in "soft power," diplomacy and clever negotiating skill. Surely those who want to kill us will be persuaded that swords should be converted into plowshares. It's odd, but Osama bin Laden doesn't seem to embrace this position."
Who left OBN alive, and decided to pursue an elective war that the neocons fantasized would be quick and pay for itself? Instead of acknowledging and thinking about those things, you're fretting that someone might screw things up worse? How could that be? I believe you're projecting into the future because you can't come to grips with the immediate past and present.
"The America of now is one where Orwellian logic rules. Redistribution of wealth is fairness." Bush and Cheney already redistributed the wealth to their megarich cronies.
"Taxes are patriotic." How else will we keep giving money to failed financial institutions?
"The free market should be a regulated market." You're really getting delusional at this point and I will stop after attending to this little 'nugget' of yours. Nonregulation of the 'free market' is what caused the Great Depression. That is why an effective regulatory process was needed. Then big money lobbied this administration to allow them to create a new financial structure that was outside of regulation. We're now hoping we will survive the result.
Stop escaping into those delusions, look around at the carnage all around you, and think.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 6:33:23 PM
"those who wish to bilk the system will be discovered and isolated." We should start with those who siphoned trillions out of our economy. You know, the ones who paid those lobbiests who used this administration as their lackeys, and who McC hired to run his campaign for him.
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Posted By: Libricrat @ 12/18/2008 4:07:41 PM
I am a fiscal conservative and support individual firearms rights so, I could not vote for Obama, (or McCain). I large part of me was very proud of this country on Nov 4th, however. This nation is, nor will it ever be, perfect but, I would like to think that with this election, we have made it over the hump on the race issue. I think for at least my generation and younger (I'm 37), we have finally figured out that color is just that, pigmentation of the skin. Any differences there may be is only taught to us by our parents. Luckly, at least more-so than our parents, my generation didn't learn everything our parents tried to tell us.
The election of Barack Obama will set back race relations slightly for 3 years or so but, things will be much much better after this first term. I will always disagree with him economically and on the 2nd amendment but, he will not be a Hitler, or a Stalin or any other rediculous thing like that. People will eventually pay down their debt and things will get better but, not because of government help. So, race relations in 6 years will probaly better than they would be otherwise. If McCain would have won it would have set race relations back 10 years. And the scary part, if anything happens to Obama, (let us all hope, and cross our fingers that it doesn't), race relations will be set back 25 years or more. Mr. Obama, as long as you and your congress(that's what I really fear), don't take away my right to bear arms, You'll do al right. I wish youwell.
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Posted By: sum1spal @ 12/17/2008 2:00:34 PM
I think it is funny how ignorant all of you are! Each side thinks they are RIGHT. They are the only side that can possibly have all of the answers. The other side is full of crazy people that are stupid and idiots.
To say that one party or the other is outright bad is simply irresponsible and shows your ineptitude. It takes a combination of ideals to solve the country's problems.
There are good politicians (regardless of party affiliation) and bad politicians. Most of the comments I have read here are ridiculous in nature.
YOU think you are right. What do you really know? There is a word for a group that blindly follows one person; sheep. Stop being sheep. Would it be that hard to look at each candidate on his/her own merits?
You SHEEP are why this guy is being compared to Obama. The Republicans need a shepherd that mirrors the current Democrat shepherd.
We are supposed to be a free-thinking society. Step out of the ranks of the uninformed. Get off of your high horse and actually think!-
Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 4:00:26 PM
Well Said...
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Posted By: delfairchild @ 12/17/2008 5:05:04 PM
Everyone is talking about "Hard Core" Republicans that can't look at a color other than white. This just shows how callus and racial those people are that think this. As a "Hard Core' republican, there are a few issues that mean the most to me.
1. Freedom using the Constitutional Bill of Rights. (The 2nd Amendment which guarantees the rest of them)
2. No Abortion. It is strictly murdering people who can not defend themselves.
3. No taxes or consistent taxes between all levels of worth.
4. Small Federal Government (where the original Bill of Rights came from).
5. Wise use of our natural resources. Conservationism, not Preservationism.-
Posted By: Narxist @ 12/18/2008 10:00:29 AM
You are exactly correct. I couldn't have put it better.
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Posted By: Avoiceinthewilderness @ 12/17/2008 1:57:05 PM
Not an Obama clone - we know this guy is smart and probably could even look at his college transcripts if we requested to do so - far different from the president - elect.. Like obama, he comes from an enviroment where corrupt politcians are par for the oourse. I wonder if he'll have the moral fiber to avoid the temptations of office . . .
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Posted By: ep122 @ 12/18/2008 10:00:08 AM
No need to look at Obama's transcripts, why did that issue even come up? He graduated Magna *** Laude from Harvard, America's flagship university. That means that he graduated in the top 10% of his class at HARVARD fu--ing law school! Why do you need to look at transcripts?
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Posted By: jparker44 @ 12/18/2008 9:41:26 AM
I think Clinton was from the reconstructed South, was he not socially and politically acceptable to you? When you can get rid of your black bigots e. g. Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, maybe the whites can get rid of their white ones. Everyone knows there is more bigotry in the north than in the south, Michigan was recently named by Newsweek as the most bigoted state (black and white) in the country. I cannot imagine MSNBC ever supporting any Republican, considering how far up obama's "you know what " they were for the recent election. And I can guarantee more people voted for obama because he was black than voted against him because he was black. Who is the bigot?
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Posted By: AngelicDemocrat @ 12/18/2008 3:11:22 AM
My God, I am a Roman Catholic Democrat and wouldn't have it any other way. The Republican party is sick....very sick. It will be yeeeeeeeeeeeeears before we ever see another Republican president again. Bush has destroyed his party and his country. The thought of JEB being a senator or running for president makes this writer nauseous. I never want to see the name of Bush again. They have done enough destruction in the world. We don't need any more Bushes in politics.
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Posted By: IluvNawlins @ 12/17/2008 8:43:40 PM
And T Roark, how can you be a Democrat and a Christian? Don't you people vote pro-choice?????? I'm not even a Republican, but that's the most ignorant statement I have ever read.
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Posted By: vvm77 @ 12/18/2008 2:31:33 AM
are you SERIOUS?? You really believe that no Democrats are Christian? Well, I guess Republicans aren't Christian either, since the Republicans get divorced and work on Sundays and drink alcohol and some even dance! Give me a break! But you are right, believing in women's rights is pretty Un-Christian.
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Posted By: La_dee2003 @ 12/18/2008 2:43:19 AM
Yes, that's right VVM77 ... when "women's rights" is just a euphemism for MURDERING YOUR OWN BABY, that's the epitome of UN-CHRISTIAN!!
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