Anyone who doesn't know the difference between worship and venerate is a moron, and a wilful moron at that. Not worthy of arguing with. To be ignored, so their views shrivel, dry up and blow away from lack of response.
Their Own Obama
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Posted By: MKRISTY @ 12/17/2008 3:14:07 PM
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Posted By: Daygeaux @ 12/17/2008 3:10:36 PM
The Hypocrisy in politics and this board are overwhelming. I was offended, as a republican, when someone used Obama's religion or race as a reason to not vote for him. I thought if anyone could look past someone's race or religion it would be liberals. I guess i was severely wrong on that. I can't believe how much catholic bashing there is on this board. i have liberal view on a lot of subjects and I have conservative views on a lot of subjects. When it came down to what party I put my name under it was because government spending is a high priority to me. I could care less about having GOD on my money or in the pledge or if gays should marry (who cares let them, what does it hurt?). Those are the kind of issues that I voted for Obama because I thought he was the best pick and I think the democrats spend too much time on.
I'll end with this: If you ever walk in a park you'll see signs that say " please do not feed the animals". They have them there for a reason. If you feed the animals too much they get fat and stop looking for food on their own. That's what is happening to this country. The government is feeding the animals too much. We're all fat. We, as Americans, whine about things that don't matter. Stop feeding the animals please.
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Posted By: MKRISTY @ 12/17/2008 3:10:01 PM
Rarely urinates, huh? I wonder how often he defacates? Masterbates? Pontificates? Equivicates? Retaliates? Inquiring minds want to know. But seriously folks, how is this in any way germane. I sensed a hack job and quit reading.
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Posted By: Buckley @ 12/17/2008 3:06:30 PM
Whats up with not bothering to eat or urinate? Bobby JIndal is scary to me, he abandoned his Hindu faith for the most close minded fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity (Roman Catholic he is not). He commandered the Sunshine Laws of Louisiana for his own benefit. He admire Reaganomics which is historically proven failed policy. He just captures all the buzz of the Republican Party without any of the substance (Palinesque). The Real Leader of the Republican party has not emerged yet and will be about Business but first and foremost ethics in Business. Whether he/she uses their Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism or even Muslimism is of no mind to me. How can you be Religious and not be ethical, the Republican party trys there damnest to prove this with every election cycle.
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Posted By: Abassetti @ 12/17/2008 3:05:48 PM
Hey Freda747: You really should do a little research before you go spouting off your ignorant assumptions "...since these conservatives then to be less tolerant of non-whites, etc..." That's not true at all, it's just perpetuated by liberal idiots such as yourself to make conservatives look racist. Unfortunately, it's worked so far. In actuality there have been many "non-white" conservatives in the past...such as Martin Luther King Jr.! Don't confuse wanting illegal immigration reform with racism. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
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Posted By: MKRISTY @ 12/17/2008 3:05:06 PM
Rarely urinates, huh? Well, I wonder how often he defacates? Fornicates? Pontificates? Masterbates? Retaliates? How is this in any way germane? I sensed a hack job and quit reading.
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Posted By: stldaniels @ 12/17/2008 10:32:51 AM
Simply tracy, I would be very interested in the basis for your belief that I voted for Obama "because of his COLOR not his POLITICS" or is that just your gut feeling inspired by others because you can't think for yourself.
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Posted By: simply tracy @ 12/17/2008 1:09:37 PM
No, that is because I listened to all the people the next day say how great they felt that they had voted for a black president, not how great it was that they had voted for the best candidate. I listened to them say how good it felt that they had voted for a black man, not how good it was that they had voted for a good man. I listened to them say see how far we've come that we could put a black man in office.
For me, I don't care what color he is; that's not how I make my choices. I choose based on what a person has done in his past that shows me if he is the right candidate for my future. I was not happy with the choices that were offered this year, I do not like Obama, I do not like McCain. I think that McCain is nothing more than a closet liberal and that Obama is nothing more than a closet Communist. I think NEITHER of them were a good choice, but I had to vote for the lesser of two evils, and that's the closet liberal. Deal with it. That was my choice, not whether the candidate was black, white, red, brown, green or purple.
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Posted By: freda747 @ 12/17/2008 3:01:53 PM
Oh give me a break......
Blacks voted for Obama because he is black.
Liberals voted for him beacuse he is black .
But "other" whiites voted for him because he was qualified?
So Obama's win proves what? That blacks are racist, Liberals are racist....but many white Americans are NOT racist and America is the land of opportunity?
HOW CAN A VOTE FOR THE SAME MAN MEAN A THOUSAND ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT AMERICA?
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Posted By: simply tracy @ 12/17/2008 1:10:53 PM
of his color, so don't tell me it didn't happen.
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Posted By: monkey business @ 12/17/2008 10:59:05 AM
It isn't really funny that you didn't answer her question. So did you or sin't you vote for Obama? For some people if it has a bill, wings, webbed feet and quacks like a duck there is a real good chance it is a duck.
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Posted By: MKRISTY @ 12/17/2008 3:01:44 PM
Rarely urinates, huh?
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Posted By: freda747 @ 12/17/2008 2:43:09 PM
Jindal is moer qualified than Obama........if you hate Democrats.
Jindal is less qualified than Obama ......if you are not a Republicans.
There are no facts anymore. No truths. Everyone reads the same info and walks away with the same beliefs they had.
[sometimes I really hate .........PEOPLE]
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Posted By: Newsweeksucksalot @ 12/17/2008 2:42:02 PM
This man is going to do great things for the state of LA and the USA. In my opinion I don't care if he's R or D. Grow up you idiots, the election is over and it's time to step up and fix the problem- not whine more about it partisanship. If you haven't noticed by now, that's how both parties keep control of you...
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Posted By: rtmeyer @ 12/17/2008 2:34:29 PM
There is a fundamental flaw in this story: the comparison of the "swooning" that Jindal receives with that of Obama. Those swooning over Jindal are politicians and political commentators in his own party; Obama's were, in large part, the mainstream media as a whole (yes, I'm looking at you, too, Newsweek).
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Posted By: Belker @ 12/17/2008 10:11:08 AM
Little Bobby is so far to the right, he is off the end of the scale, If he is the Republicans answer to Obama then the Republicans are due to remain out of power for a generation.
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Posted By: destinybe @ 12/17/2008 2:28:52 PM
He is far too right as Obama is far to left. What we need is a third party to serve the people and not an old party platform.
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Posted By: zaksgrandma @ 12/17/2008 9:59:36 AM
No way would I voted for a Louisana canidate.Jindal is not what this country needs in the position of President. I do not trust him and would not support him.
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Posted By: destinybe @ 12/17/2008 2:25:26 PM
yes, because those Chicago candidates are so above board and honest.
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Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 2:22:30 PM
As a black American, I am insulted when white America's response to a black is to "find their own black or minority". It only begs the question, "Why weren't they looking for minorities before?" When I worked in Corporate America, I witnessed white managers attempt to align a black supervisor with their position whenever then got into conflicts with black employees. Personally, I think this type of behavior is cowardly and disingenious, whether it's done by whites, blacks or whoever. The Republican Party is 99% white. That is evident by their recent National Convention. If you want to support diversity, do it sincerely and BE A LEADER, rather than reacting after you've lost power. Dispicable.
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Posted By: noneyas @ 12/15/2008 2:32:02 PM
Wait... Isn't this guy already in politics, ATurnerill? I mean since he's already in politics, doesn't that kind of show that the maybe the guy happens to be qualified rather than just a minority? When exactly did you want a minority to be represented and should one be represented just because he/she is a minority?
There is no pleasing some people. If the GOP would have started to give some light to a white guy, they are racist because the choice was not a minority. When The GOP decides to give some light to a minority, people post silly messages like yours that say "this guy couldn't possibly be anything to the GOP except a token minority." Well guess what? That makes you the racist, not the GOP.-
Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 2:41:11 PM
Your logic is ridiculous. You wrote, "If the GOP would have started to give some light to a white guy, they are racist because the choice was not a minority. When The GOP decides to give some light to a minority, people post silly messages like yours that say "this guy couldn't possibly be anything to the GOP except a token minority." Well guess what? That makes you the racist, not the GOP." First of all, racism can only be done by those in power. So, I can not be a racist because I do not control the selection of who leaders are. On the other hand, the GOP does control who they consider it's leaders. So, it is very much in a position to be racist, or not be. Regardless, my message was about the behavior of whites, in general, to pin minorities against each other. Don't shoot the messenger. If you are white, it was you and your forefather who made this mess with slavery and all of the evils that came from it. Take some responsibility. Black can not be racist if we can not control whites. Only those in power can be racist. If you want to pretend that many whites don't hold minorities back and that the GOP has done a good job of recruiting blacks, then you continue to live in your fantasy land.
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Posted By: sarakleon @ 12/17/2008 2:19:59 PM
If you are white, it was you and your forefather who made this mess with slavery and all of the evils that came from it. Take some responsibility.
This statement made my mixed race blood boil. Learn your history before you post ignorant comments about things you know nothing about. Because i am "white" i amn responsible for the slave trade?? As opposed to the Africans, who were black that sold their slaves to us. That's right, your race started and still uses slavery. Hate to burst your bubble. Btw, I am sorry that you have no talents or skills, so you have to blame the "white man" for all of your problems. i could live my life bitter, because of the treatment I have received as a woman, but I will let my integrity speak for itself. I can only feel sorry for you. You get one life and you are sooo angry about something I never did to you. One final message, if you do indeed come from slavery roots, you are mixed race as well. ENJOY! -
Posted By: noneyas @ 12/15/2008 2:51:33 PM
Absolutely blacks can be racists. Rev. Wright, an admitted racist for example. To say that because you don't have power you can't be a racist is nuts. If I start making racist remarks, am I a racist? I have no power over you either. As for slavery, let it die. It's been buried for centuries. Nobody alive today was a slave in the USA and nobody alive today in the USA owned slaves. I can't believe that argument was brought up AGAIN. NO, I don't take ANY responsibility for slavery because I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Do you take responsibility for all the evils that happened to white people throughout history? Better yet, have you EVER been asked to take responsibility for what happened CENTURIES ago? Get a clue and move the country forward instead of reverse.
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Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 3:02:41 PM
I live in Chicago. Reverend Wright is no more racist than John McCain's radical preacher, John Hagee. They both expressed direct views that may offend some. Wright said that whites and Amerca (controlled by whites) have done bad things in the world. This is true. Wright said DG America because that's what to be Bible says about people / countries that do bad things, like America has done. Takes some responsibility. This is just more rediculous white denial. We should never have gone into Iraq. No weapons where there. Still, the GOP says "But, Saddam was a bad man.' Should 5000 Americans die because we think the leader of another country is bad when that have not threatened and can't threaten us? And you are wrong, racism DOES has a power and control element to it. Here is a definition from the web, "is power plus racial prejudice, a system that leads to the oppression of or discrimination against, specific racial or ethnic groups." I think you are confusing racism with prejudice. They mean different things. You can call Wright prejudice. But, you can't call someone who can't oppress you racist.
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Posted By: noneyas @ 12/15/2008 3:24:46 PM
NOPE, and I'll say it again NOPE, I don't take ANY responsibility for anything YOU think I am responsible because, the fact is, I am not over 200 years old. My family did not come to this country until 60 years ago. Were there slaves back in the 40s? Do I now have to apologize because other people from other countries who were here WAY before my people made it here had slaves that probably were never related at all to you simply because they are black? I have to disagree. Wright has power over people. ANYBODY who has his kind of pull has power and HE IS A RACIST. YEP, I'll say it again HE IS A RACIST. By the way, I can give definitions of racist too. Directly from Dictionary.com:
racist
adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
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Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 3:31:46 PM
Once again, you are incorrect. Wright only has power over his congregation, which is 99% black. And, I assure you he is not oppressing them! You're adjective definition does not apply to this discussion. Making racist remarks does not make you a racist. You have to be able to DO SOMETHING to oppress others. Wright can say all he wants. It still only makes heim prejudice (or just honest and direct). He is in no position to oppress whites / other. Learn your English. As far as making me squirm. I have an engineering, a law degree, run two business and have traveled the world. I doubt that you can make me even blink, based on your convesation so far. Bring it on!
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Posted By: John67 @ 12/17/2008 10:45:38 AM
Mr Law degree your English leaves much to be desrired...can not is not two words...really...
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Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 3:32:16 PM
Once again, you are incorrect. Wright only has power over his congregation, which is 99% black. And, I assure you he is not oppressing them! You're adjective definition does not apply to this discussion. Making racist remarks does not make you a racist. You have to be able to DO SOMETHING to oppress others. Wright can say all he wants. It still only makes heim prejudice (or just honest and direct). He is in no position to oppress whites / other. Learn your English. As far as making me squirm. I have an engineering, a law degree, run two business and have traveled the world. I doubt that you can make me even blink, based on your convesation so far. Bring it on!
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Posted By: jayrc @ 12/16/2008 10:47:49 AM
Were you a slave? Get over yourself seriously, someone as educated as you should not act so stupid. The simple fact of the matter is you have no idea what oppresion is, you have done well for yourself, or so you say, so move on and try living your life and quit trying to play the double standard. Blacks cannot be racist because they have no power to oppress... I find that completely wrong, simply look at the consessions "White" America has had to make to allow you a "Fair" shake.
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Posted By: noneyas @ 12/15/2008 3:47:58 PM
First, I looked and looked at my comments and I don't see where I said make you squirm. Apparently I am, however, since you brought it up. I thought we were having a DISCUSSION (look that up in your dictionary). By your own definition, or any definition Wright has the power to oppress. He oppresses the black congregation every time he opens his racist mouth by spewing hate that holds back the black congregation. While it may be an unintended consequence, listening to you proves it. You defend the person who holds back your own race.
Look at it this way. There are still some white racist groups (yep, this time I use the word racist for white groups such as skin heads who don't have the power to oppress, but I bet ya think their racists). For the most part, though, white people are not racists and don't hold much prejudice. When a RACIST such as Wright spews hate, he brings his congregation back to the days when hate against another person based on race is tolerated.
Look, ATurnerill, I am no racist. I get along basically with everybody (trust me, I really do). I realize you see whitey as the enemy but sometimes your own race has leaders that are your true enemy.
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Posted By: ATurnerIII @ 12/15/2008 3:36:22 PM
Learn English. Your adjective defition of making racial remarks does not apply to this conversation. Even if his remarks appeared racist, that does not make him a racist. He still have to have "power" to oppress whites / others, which he does not. He only has influence over his on church. Which is 99% black. So, I present to you - - any comments that seem racist where prejudice at most (if not just directm bold and honest). This discussion is over. You are obviously dealing from a place of irrational emotional rather than common sense.
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Posted By: halffull72 @ 12/17/2008 10:04:53 AM
Only the people in power can be racist? This has to be the most asinine statement that I have ever heard. How racist is it to think that only white people are in power. I have had plenty of minority bosses and in fact have one now. I am so sick of minorites assuming, because I am white, that I am a racist. That in itself is racist. By the way the only racists I have encountered lately have been minorities. So you need to look in the mirror, racist.
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Posted By: jayrc @ 12/15/2008 2:55:31 PM
"Don't shoot the messenger. If you are white, it was you and your forefather who made this mess with slavery and all of the evils that came from it."
Get over yourself. Every race in the entire world has been a slave at one time or another, and yours is the only one still holding a grudge.-
Posted By: dogmom11236 @ 12/15/2008 3:44:36 PM
My grandparents came from Sicily much less than a hundred years ago. I take zero responsibity for slavery. Yes, slavery is evil, however, black people are hardly the only race that has suffered from it.
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Posted By: bleeblarblar @ 12/17/2008 5:24:23 AM
Its amusing how republicans always reflect to Reagan. Thats part of the the party's problem, they need a platform now. Not looking back 20+ years ago to the time they were last popular.
Reagan was a charasmatic guy but before Reaganomics, the US was a creditor nation with factories and industries based in the US. Since, we have lost our industrial base, went from an exporter nation to importer and have the largest debt of any nation on the planet.
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Posted By: destinybe @ 12/17/2008 2:10:42 PM
Dems always talk about Kennedy and he was not even able to serve his term, who knows what kind of president he would have been?
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Posted By: Satir @ 12/17/2008 2:05:47 PM
jss888 your insullation against knowledge is so typical. To be ignorant by chance is simply a lack of knowledge; but ignorance by choice--a route you have taken--is plainly stupid. You know absolutely nothing about the drivers of the American economy through the 80s and 90's and to the present.
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Posted By: bogiebog @ 12/15/2008 1:53:12 PM
I think many voters in Louisiana were shocked when they discovered "Bobby" was not a good-old-boy they thought they were voting for. Voters in Louisiana are generally dumb. If Piyush Jindal was the name on the ballot, the outcome would be different. Republicans are dreaming if the think this guy will be their 2012 savior. Most Americans, black and white, are not willing to accept a Hindu president from a country stealing American jobs.
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Posted By: LouisianaDoug @ 12/15/2008 2:18:20 PM
Jindal is not a Hindu. Now, tell me... who's dumb?
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Posted By: bogiebog @ 12/15/2008 2:27:13 PM
Yeah, he's a Catholic. Sure. But the rest of his family is Hindu. He was born and raised a Hindu. You can't compare him to Obama who was never was Moslem like Republicans tried to insinuate. Just because this guy has a "funny" name and dark skin like Obama does not mean that Piyush Jindal will become accepted by the vast majority of Americans other than GOP shortshighted copycats foolishly trying to re-create the Obama magic.
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Posted By: noneyas @ 12/15/2008 2:37:08 PM
Um, per Obama's own words he was a muslim. Why are we bringing religion onto the table again? Read Obama's books. You'll surely change your mind on how great a messiah he is.
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Posted By: Yuseff @ 12/15/2008 3:46:17 PM
Per Obama's own words, he was NEVER a muslim. His father was an atheist. His grandfather was a muslim.
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Posted By: destinybe @ 12/17/2008 1:41:26 PM
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Posted By: emmarcee @ 12/16/2008 11:51:41 AM
an atheist who went the Islamic way for the purpose of marrying 4 women at the same time. Shut up.
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Posted By: nolachick @ 12/15/2008 4:07:19 PM
Piyush "Bobby" Jindal was on the ballot. Just like anyone running for office, the given name goes on the ballot with any nick name included in parentheses. And....drum roll...Piyush "Bobby" Jindal handily won the governor's seat.
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Posted By: nolachick @ 12/15/2008 4:06:52 PM
Piyush "Bobby" Jindal was on the ballot. Just like anyone running for office, the given name goes on the ballot with any nick name included in parentheses. And....drum roll...Piyush "Bobby" Jindal handily won the governor's seat.
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Posted By: BigR @ 12/17/2008 1:41:08 PM
It is a shame he may not run, but he's the kind of guy we need as President. A guy who actually does things instead of talking about things.
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Posted By: Ladyf_p @ 12/17/2008 12:02:16 PM
He will not be anything like an Obama, just because he has color to his skin. he cannot even relate to what it is to be a true person of color and those GOP's who think so are so offensive. That is the reason why they lost this country and why they lost the respect of a lot of Americans, believe that. Always trying to outdo somebody better or find an opportunity to throw atoken representative in place of another person who looks similar or of the same race. They make me sick and based on the votes they have made more than just me sick of their crap. The sad part about it is that anybody that is not of certain descents can be accepted as one of the others by the "Good ole Boy'" Whites especially they have immigrated into this country. The ones who seem to still catch hell no matter what they contribute (Blood, Guts, Tears, Rapes, hanging, etc.) and Those whose lands were stolen (Geronimo, Apaches, etc,) and those whose lands were stolen in paper purchases (Mexico, Hispanics) will never be accepted. That is okay, take a good look in the mirror for a new day is rising and it does not require a nod from a good ole boy representative or one of his patsys to bring a change of betterment to this country. Lest you forget the world has chosen a man for the planet period...........This moment defied race and looked at the man......
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Posted By: rckmthgh @ 12/17/2008 1:16:46 PM
I have "looked at the man" and I am not sure why he won, if he won because of how he looks the country is in trouble. From what I have read Mr Jindal has more qualification than Mr. Obama no matter what color he is. I am not concerned about the race of the man but what he can do the make the United States the best place to live in or are we going to have the same thing as we have had from the democrat these last two since they took over the House of Rep. and the Senate. I don't know if anyone notice but we were ok untill that happened.
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Posted By: adjbest @ 12/17/2008 1:04:50 PM
In case you hadn't noticed, the article appeared in Newsweek. Newsweek is not a "GOP" publication. Newsweek leans left. The writer posed the race question to the various interview subjects and they responded. I'm not sure that disparaging an Asian-Indian American as a "token" does much to show how evolved your thought process is in comparison to "racists". The sad fact is, people like you need race and discord stemming from it because it is your crutch, your identity. Without it, you have to stand on your own two feet and that scares you far more than fighting the hatred and oppression that occurred over 100 years ago. Race WAS a factor in the election because the Obamatoms wanted it to be. They used it like a lead pipe against Hillary and they used against McCain. Obama stuck to his message and his surrogates swung the pipe.
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Posted By: sffrank @ 12/17/2008 1:14:00 PM
What makes him the GOPs Obama. Is it because he is East Indian? Isn't this a little bit racist to suggest. I have heard him speak and he is not the least bit inspiring or bipartisan. Is this Newsweek or the National Enquirer
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