The Fed Who Blew the Whistle

Did you hear that some British or French newspaper published highly classified gove3rment secrets only because some secret agent decided to go public and the newspaper wants the sensation? They have have special laws or procedures or "customs" against it, and these are not less free countries than USA, their Democrats even more maniacal in human rights protections than ours.

reading these posts is disheartening.Wild assertions of misfeasance,followed by series of non-sequiturs passes for intelligent debate. The charges are so widespread and the evidence offered so scant that it is difficult to keep track of them much less research and refute them.Let me answer one or two.The venona intercepts identified 349 separate individuals within the US govt who were Soviet agents,and this at a time when the Fed govt was quite small compared to today.
Less than 10% of all Soviet messages were intercepted, so that probably many more were not found.As far as their effectiveness was concerned , these were highly placed people.Harry Hopkins lived in the White House and was FDR s closest advisor who represented FDR at Yalta, one reason FDR gave away Eastern Europe.Harry Dexter White was the State Depts Top expert on finance,and Stalin himself said that if he had not gotten the secrets of the A and H bombs from the US spies he would not have given N Korea the approval to invade S Korea,but go read the books.
What I have stated was and is not hyperbolic it has been if anything muted.Tell me what term or phrase was hyperbolic.?For hyperbolics, read what these posts say about our President GW Bush.For one , they all claim Bush lied. I have challenged this comment every time i read it or hear it and no one has yet been able to show me the evidence that Bush lied.Give me a citation of any statement Bush made that was a lie.He never said Iraq had WMDs.What he said was we know thy are working towards having WMDs and we will not wait until he decides to use them against us.Bill Clinton said that Saddam was working to obtain or develop WMD s,and said that US policy was now "regime change".Who said that Saddam actually had WMD s?Well, Hilary did, jay Rockefeller did, Chuck Schumer did, Nancy Pelosi did, and Harry Reid did,and the UN inspections teams said on frequent occasions that he was pursuing them vigorously.Pres Bush may well have been mistaken on some things he said, but to assert that such mistakes were lies is itself a lie and a calumny.We are heading towards such a split between left and right that we may never again engage in honest debate, and reading these wild assertions in these post s has to sadden anyone who believes that the best way to find the truth is to listen carefully to all sides of each issue.

Wow... it seems that I've found out where all the one-in-five Americans who support G. W. Bush are! They're here on this blog! And judging from the lack of rational and logical arguments made by them it suggests that they share around the same IQ as G.W. I guess birds of a feather, or low intelligence, do flock together.

Tom Tamm IS a patriot and, in time, will be recognized as a national hero. Yes, there are ways for Whistle Blowers to express their concerns without retaliation, but it is unclear in this case that one formerly existed at NSA, the Justice Department or even the entire Bush Administration. He first attempted to contact Congress but was rebuffed, or so it seems. His only option was to go public because in not doing so he was perpetuating and participating in a Federal crime. Even the Justice department realized that the Attorney General could be indicted. And the fact that it was authorized at the very top of this administration it could have meant that this president (the most impeachable, corrupt and incompetent) could have been impeached (highly unlikely, since he was not impeached by the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame, which he should have).
In fact, it is my prediction that further on down the road, once we as a country realize the extent of corruption in the Bush Administration, Tom Tamm will have a civil case against the U.S. government. While I put the blame for this squarely on G.W. I also believe that the Democratic Congress at the time woefully reacted to this and set a horrible precedent.
Terrorists hate this country because we are a freer, democratic and open society. And they have succeeded spectacularly in threatening our freedoms and democracy under the governance of G. W. Bush, arguably the worst president we never elected in our country???s history. I anxiously await the bright bulb Obama taking over the reins and pulling up back on our feet as a country and leading us in the direction of greatness again with compassion, intelligence and competence.

bighappy if you are responding to my post, I would only counter with you can't point the finger at the politicians and say "well they changed the law" Any 10 year old from Texas would have the horse sense to know when and when not to shoot. If there was a dimes worth of common sense there, there would have been no need to change the After Action Reports. The same stupidity was pervasive in Waco as well. My gosh it is no wonder their appoval level is lower than even President Bush.

Posted By: ocodan @ 12/14/2008 3:41:31 PMI'm working on it John. Hold on. But to keep the conversation going... answer this. If you believe this guy should be tried for treason then shouldn't you have also supported the indictment and trial for treason of the person who outted Valerie Plame as a CIA agent?

Ocodan, did you follow the Plame affair at all? Libby was convicted for purjury and obstruction. He could not have been convicted for outing Plame, because an essential element of the crime is that the CIA agent who is outed must have been a convert agent within a specified period of time (five years? I forget). Plame was not covert!! The point is that there was no crime for Fitzpatrick to investigate. Libby made the mistake of lying to federal investigators during an investigation into nothing. Seems stupid in retrospect. Why were $ millions being spent to investigate allegations which could never have risen to the level of a crime. It was a political witch hunt at its zeneith.

This is just another example of the government overreaching. They are given a little lease and make it stretch as far as they want to.........you know, like water boarding is not torture it is called "psychological intimidation" For too long they have spit in the face of real Americans and made the assumption that only they can determine what is best regardless of what laws they trample.

I don't have a problem with any of those things you suggesting and neecessary termination measures associated with those soft intelligence activity, Big Happy. What I do have a problem with is the arrogance of the agencies involved and the retribution measures associated. Shut it down roll it up and start over calling it something else. They are bound to have someone to dangle. Additionally the problem I have is that under the guise of protecting America's borders, the FBI uses the clandestine activity to investigate whomever they want to and whether or not those activities have anything to do with terrorism or not. For instance they could investigate Joe Citizen for terrorism and find no terrorism and find some other infraction and then file an affadavit saying "oh we were looking into possible terrorist activity and did not find any, but we found this or that,"theregy circumventing the warrant process and the Constitutions prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure. That is another whole story of their practice of searching and seizing under false pretenses.

What a crappy line to end on-- it is obvious this man is not a criminal. He DID answer to a higher power-- that supposedly everyone in the Justice Department should answer to as well-- THE RULE OF LAW. If this man is prosecuted by the new administration- it will be even more proof that democracy is dead in America. Indeed- "The tree of liberty could not grow were it not watered with the blood of tyrants" -Bertrand Barere de Vieuzac

It is disgusting to see that the world has twisted this into a legal debate of security-- tis distracting from the real point-- THE PRESIDENT IS LISTENING TO YOUR HOME PHONE CALLS! Big brother lives.

IBush and Cheney makes Richard Nixon look like a petty shoplifter compared to these two full blown criminals. They should be indicted, tried and if convicted, sentenced to death.
I only wished I could be picked as one of their jurors!

Defense against Islamic terror should have no limits. Right on for government listening tosuspected call. Google knows more about YOU than the government.
Cicero-2

In a NBC/Wall Street Journal poll earlier this week 18% of those Americans surveyed said that they'd miss Delirious George after January.

I read that as 18% of those polled overwhelmingly support ginned-up intelligence, phony war mongering, torture and rendition.

Those brain-dead Lemmings must also cheer with unbridled exhilaration at W. and Dirty Dick's joyful bodysurfing in the patriotic blood of well over 4,200 of America's finest and bravest young men and women - not to mention their gleeful wallowing in the rivers of blood of innocent Afghan and Iraqi men women and children - while they wipe their keisters on the U.S. Constitution, and bankrupt America.

Well, on November 4th, American told the retarded 18% "Enough," and to "Shove their collectively corrupt, criminal, perverted, racist, bigoted and homophobic agendas up their pecker-wood, trailer park, Lazy-Boy asses!"

So now is the time for the countless numbers of disgusted and ashamed Federal employees and government officials, who have, for the sake of their jobs and families, for the last 8-years of rampant crime and corruption perpetrated non-stop by Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rove, Tenent, Rice, Podhoretz, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Kristol and the rest of the traitorous NEOCON Mafia, to now have the patriotism and courage of Mr. Tamm, and step up, stand up and speak out about the crimes and corruption they have witnessed and to bring the filthy criminals to justice.

On November 4th, America proclaimed for all the World to hear, "We are ashamed of what the Bush-Cheney ruthless reign of crime and corruption have wrought, and we want our pride, integrity, reputation, creditability, Constitution and our Country back, and that those sick, sick 18 percenters can continue to dog-paddle in their own bile as they thrash relentlessly as they are bound for the self-created Hell they all so richly deserve!"

???My Country tis of thee ??? once more to be - Sweet land of LIBERTY!???

Thank God for Tamm. He not only had an oath to uphold the Consitiution. If he is a Christian, he also had a Baptismal Oath to uphold, namely to Reject Evil with God's Help. Both oathes required him to oppose warrentless wiretapping. I only wish someone would oppose the poisonning/crippling of ordinary U.S. citizens with drugs sprayed in their homes, cars, and workplaces and put into their water and food supplies agaisnt their will, quickly, before some of us die or are permanently crippled by the substances. This practice, too, demands active opposition by anyone loyal to America and/or their Baptismal Oath.

"Politically motived". That says it all, I hope this moron is living under a bridge soon. The program allowed warrantless wire taps on people who are talking to KNOWN terrorists overseas. People, most either completely uniformed or politically motivated (aka Bush hater), don't even know what this is program is all about, they just yell about 'spying' on Americans. I'll tell you folks, if the little old lady next door was talking with known terrorists, I would want her to be discovered and locked up. As for the lefty 'activists', when something directly affects you, you will agree with me. I don't have to have a relative in the WTC to feel the pain they feel, I can relate. For your sake, I hope you don't ever feel such pain as the loss of a loved one. Just try to put yourself in other's shoes.

"Is he a hero or a criminal?" Simple answers to simple questions: He's a hero.