The Fed Who Blew the Whistle

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  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 4:48:14 PM

    I keep hearing that we have had no attacks since 9/11 and as justification for illegal wiretapping.

    "How many atacks (on american soil) happened between the first world trade center attack in 1993 and 9/11? Well, that would be none. "


    But none of those people using that arguement have answered thjis. They read it and carry on because they would have to be accountable to thier logic, and accountabilty is something of a problem for Bush...

  • Posted By: libertas123 @ 12/18/2008 8:21:34 AM

    how many domestic attacks occurred after 9/11? since no one checking in including the writers have a background in intell, maybe they should ask those that are or just except they have no idea how best to protect the U.S.. I cant recall a single incident not to mention 5 or 10 or some pervasive pattern to suggest that American's were harmed by this. If some SIGINT is gathered by a satellite out ot Syria based cell phone, why is that intrusive to an American.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 4:30:16 PM

      1993 the world trade center was attacked. We didn't have Bush to *** thuings up then and we didn't get attacked for many many years. Bush didn't spy on us in those years and we weren't attacked.... What a fukin crock!

      Our constitutional rights were offended and that is not negotiable. If you want the terrorsist to win, just start illegal wiretaps without oversight. Bush did them a great favor.

      We need people who can walk and chew gum. Please don't protect us any more Bush, we don't need your help, you sucked at it. You invaded a country for no reason and rewrote the rules as you went along to justify you staying the idiot course you did, until it was forced down your throat that you need to make some drastic changes.

      You may have some people buying into your incompetence, because they do not think it gets better, but smost of us think you are part of the problem and have made terrorist recruitment go up..

      Please put out that fire with gasoline, and bring ordinary citizens in along with your incompetence to fight your "war on terror"...

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 1:08:43 PM

      1984. Not long now.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 12:36:03 PM

      How many atacks (on american soil) happened between the first world trade center attack in 1993 and 9/11? Well, that would be none. There is no justification for circumventing our law, value, and principles. Basically, if we have to illegal wiretap our people, then the terrorists have scored big time. They have struck at our laws and our foundations and they ave succeeded becuase they were enabled by the corruptors of these lawas and values, our own government.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/18/2008 8:38:06 AM

      "If some SIGINT is gathered by a satellite out ot Syria based cell phone, why is that intrusive to an American."

      Nobody was complaining about that. Not Tamm, nor anyone here.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/18/2008 1:49:00 PM

    if we get nuked thanks to this putz you still going to call him a HERO!?

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 1:59:28 PM

      Are we gonna get nuked right after they find where Saddam hid them?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/18/2008 3:03:24 PM

        No. 40-check out the Valkyrie article.

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 3:19:30 PM

          Will do, thanks. But my, ahem, 'high speed' sat link is running like maple syrup in your country, again. And they keep rearranging the letters on this keyboard too...

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 2:13:36 PM

        When FatJoey heared Bush lie about the yellow cake uranium all he heard was, "yellow cake", and thought about chocolate frosting.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 2:00:53 PM

      MOM, I NEED SOME MORE PIE! GET IT MOM, NOW! PIE, PIE, PIE!!!!

  • Posted By: desktopdave @ 12/18/2008 11:11:17 AM

    How dare you, tkunze1000, stand behind those that would bring down this country? These men fight for America, they defend your liberty. How many lies can you ignore before you finally see the light? This administration has squandered thousands of lives and trillions of dollars to prove that corrupt liars get what they want and honesty never pays.

    • Posted By: tkunze1000 @ 12/18/2008 12:09:38 PM

      Defend my liberty by commiting trason? That's awfully narrow-minded of you.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 1:30:16 PM

        Can I get a side of Treason with those Freedom Fries? And how about some Yellow Cake? yumm!

        How about some constitutional corruption?
        What have you to hide anyway?
        Why do you have such a problem with us spying on you? We don't torture and take people away to other countries, if we suspect something. Don't worry, we are here to protect you.

        Don't worry!

        Now watch while I drive this ball....

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 1:53:59 PM

          It's not torture if the neocons say it isn't!

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/18/2008 1:18:41 PM

        Since when is reporting a crime "treason"?

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 1:07:23 PM

        Why haven't they prosecuted him, do you suppose?

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 12:30:26 PM

        Yes, if that is how you want to put it. Patriots defended our liberties by putting themselves on the line. If you have a problem with somebody exposing our government's illegal acts then sorry...

        Many great people spent years in jail and gave thier lives in defense of values and principles that a government was corrupting. The real crime was exposed, and this man exposed it.

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/18/2008 1:37:21 PM

    "Why haven't they prosecuted him, do you suppose?"

    Because they have no case. So they'll have to content themselves with harrassing his teenage daughter, etc.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/18/2008 1:52:44 PM

      The harrassment is SOP. That's better than litigating whether the taps were legal. Wouldn't want those radlib judges sinking their teeth into that one.

  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 7:23:20 PM

    I guess there are some who will not be able to kick the freedom fries habit. Rape the constitution, trample on the foundation, who cares, can you pass the freedom fries? Where's your flag pin?? You must be a terrorist sympathizer!

    Where are those WMDs? Mission Accomplished!

    Bush, please do not protect us any more, we cannot afford it in blood, treasure, or values. Were you the decider, or the divider? I forget... ]

    GWB As I speak to you right now Saddam Hussein is eating yellow cake with chocolate frosting. That could mean a mushroom cloud is going to form.

    KR: No George that is yellow cake uraniam, say it makes nuclear bombs.

    GWB: Okay it makes nucular missiles. You make them from aluminum tubes, see the tubes, they are aluminum.
    KR: If you don't get this right yuo cannot be a "war time" president, and the people will not remain afraid and you cannot go in and attack Saddam, and we may lose the election. George you have to get this right!

    DC: Ya, George do you want to be a hero or not. Think about how great it will be, plop america right there in the middle of all of that oil. We will be greeted as liberators.

    GWB: My dad says if yuo break it you buy it!

    KR: Ya george but he was sorta weak, and you are strong, you re the decider George, you have the badge now.

    GWB: Okay, yellow cake geraniums, and WMDs I get it. Am I ready to go on yet??

    KR: Yes George, go face the nation.

    DC: Ya George go BS your little heart out, hahaha...

    GWB: what???

    KR: Nothing Geaorge, Dick was just talking about you and him going hunting when this is all over, just you and him in the wild, hunting....

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/18/2008 8:40:24 AM

      "I guess there are some who will not be able to kick the freedom fries habit. Rape the constitution, trample on the foundation, who cares, can you pass the freedom fries? Where's your flag pin?? You must be a terrorist sympathizer!"

      And just WHERE are the magnetic stickies on your SUV, sir?

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 1:00:53 PM

        I bet a liberal must have made of with them. Damn Liberals!

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/18/2008 6:45:06 AM

    fed's own fault for hiring a lawyer in the first place,lawyers are unloyal(except to the dollar)backstabbing rats to begin with!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/18/2008 12:37:31 PM

      Ya, and MOM, I SAID GET ME ANOTHER CHESEBURGER! MOM!

  • Posted By: ElizabethLestrad @ 12/17/2008 7:55:06 PM

    I think that if the Bush Administration is going to call Tamm a traitor, then people like Woodward and Bernstien who uncovered Nixons crimes would be just as guilty. It is obvious the Bush Administration lacks moral and ethical values by trampling the Constitution and the Justice Department in their wiretapping scheme. If anyone should be tried for treason it should be them for their betrayal of the American People and their raping of the Constitution.

    However, the Bush Administration is not the only ones at fault. The Justice Department knew what they were trying to do but did not have the backbone to stand firm on the issue alongside Congress and the Supreme Court. The directors of the NSA are also responsible for they knew that the administration did not have the right nor the permission to do such an act legally but they went ahead and did it anyways. On top of that the NSA employees who contiously decided to follow orders no matter how illegal and not stand up for the laws they swore to uphold as members of law enforcement are even more so guilty of betrayal.

    But worst of all, were the people, like Tamm's supervisors who told him to "drop the subject" and "its probably illegal", as well as his so-called friend in the Justice Department who said the same thing are just as guilty as those who were directly involved with the crimes. Why? Because they knew what was going on, and like the rest of the employees displayed no moral or ethical code of honor towards their the law, the people they swore to protect, and their very country. They should go to jail with the rest of those NSA criminals.

    Am I saying the entire NSA is bad? Certainly not. They are a vital organization, but they like the Bush Administration needs to be taught their place in the grand scheme that makes up the United States Government and know that such illegal actions, no matter the intent behind them are still crimes of epic proportions.

    Now you can say that Im being to harsh on the employees who directly worked on the illegal tapping, but if you recall after World War II during the many war crimes trials of Nazi officers and commanders, they tried to say they were innocent of actions done in the Holocaust because "They were only obeying orders." Such an excuse is no excuse and certainly no reason to disregard honor and moral value. If your boss told you to shoot a co-worker or get fired would you do it? I certainly hope not.

    • Posted By: Galasso @ 12/18/2008 11:09:58 AM

      It seems that when the boiled down essence of the real truth is somewhere out there in the fog, crtics always use the 1940's standard of the National Socialists Party as the standard for how not to behave. This is a wrong headed comparison. The Nazis were slaughering people by the millions. An electronic curtain - or umbrella if you will - the purpose of which is to intercept the messages and instructions from people hell bent on killing us is not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. The people who suffered under the Nazis are quite fatigued at the Nazi label being applied to every thing that doesn't suit someone's political ideology. The islamic fundamentalist extremists in the middle east are closer to the Nazis than anything we have in the US.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 12/18/2008 10:27:16 AM

      Very well said.

  • Posted By: Hope7 @ 12/18/2008 10:19:36 AM

    I am proud of you Mr.Tamm because of what happened to me when I witnessed the murder of a 17 yo boy at the hands of a practicing homosexual attempting to rape him and later wrote letter to my legislators in Sacramento, Calfiornia regarding a bill they were attempting to pass that would offer more protections to homosexual teachers, I opposed this bill and was targetted, my phones rang incessantly with no one on the other end, trash in my yard after church, and on and on including hypnosis done on me at Yuba College by professors who know tell me to " tell it to th police" as if they are somehow apart of what happened to me. I support what you did....someone hurt me too you can hear my story at www.hope7.highpower sites.com and read my book, " THE CHOICE" By GL Carpenter exposing hypnosis on unsuspection students in our public school system. GOD IN HEAVEN WILL STOP THEM MR. TAMM, BUT MAY GOD BLESS YOU FOR STANDING UP TO PROTECT US!!!

  • Posted By: Thoughtful @ 12/18/2008 9:24:34 AM

    It is the entire administration of that moron w who should all be arrested and jailed for treason and crookery. I congratulate Mr. Tamm for his bravery. He is the very antithesis of that moron w, that dick, cheney and condoreeza lice.

  • Posted By: ericnon @ 12/18/2008 3:40:38 AM

    Our founding fathers knew that sometimes our government has to be reminded of where its power comes from - the people. When three branches of our governement decide to bypass the checks and balances system because it is too slow, it makes sense to go to the press and let the people decide. This is the essence of democracy- and it's hard to imagine a jury convicting Tamm for protecting that.

  • Posted By: ericnon @ 12/18/2008 3:40:15 AM

    Our founding fathers knew that sometimes our government has to be reminded of where its power comes from - the people. When three branches of our government decide to bypass the checks and balances system because it is too slow, it makes sense to go to the press and let the people decide. This is the essence of democracy- and it's hard to imagine a jury convicting Tamm for protecting that.

  • Posted By: ax of god @ 12/17/2008 10:56:46 PM

    Stopping crime is not a crime.

  • Posted By: seen a lot of life @ 12/17/2008 10:43:10 PM

    I'd like to think I could be so brave in the defense of liberty. But, alas, I'd be conflicted and confused and eagerly heed the advice of my colleagues. Like them, I'd turn a blind eye. If heroism were easy, there'd be more Tamms.

  • Posted By: jkevinm80 @ 12/17/2008 9:26:28 PM

    I read this article in the print edition today. I was angered by the comments of Frnces Fragos Townsend. How dare she accuse any whistle blower of "treasonsous" action. The brutal and thoughtless damage she and her fellow "Bushistas" have done to our country and our ideals, the defacing of our constitution and our most cherished principals and beliefs makes her more susceptible to such claims than Thomas Tamm would ever be. I believe with all my heart that eventuallyboth american history, and the american public, will place the names of all those whose ethics vanished under their fearful cowardice alongside those of Benedict Arnold and others who chose their personal safety over our countries most prized ideals. God Bless Thomas Tamm., proof that courage still exists in our government.

  • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 8:40:35 PM

    Hey Pocolodi,

    Here's a list of what W did to improve national security the first 8 months in office before 9/11:



    [This space intentionally left blank for historical accuracy.]

    • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 9:15:37 PM

      Geez, Yash, he just took office.... It was President C. that should have not only bagged OBL when he had him offered to him on a silver platter, he should have been putting his foot down with terrorism, because that's when 9/11 was organized. The point is Bush stuck his foot up OBL's ass and we haven't seen him since.

      Right?

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 9:36:39 PM

        Lame excuses, and since he thought Clinton did a bad job all the reason to act quickly.

        If you're a real leader.

        • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 10:10:34 PM

          It's not a lame excuse, Yash. It's a fact. The 9/11 attacks were orchestrated during the Clinton administration. I will give Clinton this... although he was doing little during his administration to combat terrorism, no one, neither he or Bush could have seen 9/11 coming without, say....

          Wiretapping?

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 7:33:07 PM

            Actually there were individuals that were clued in there is evidence in that without illegal wiretapping. It was dome legally by the FBI.

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 10:46:00 PM

            You don't read any European news sources do you? All of Europe knew about the extra chatter and that something was coming.

            In 2000 our air defenses intercepted more than 100 planes that went "off course" in less than 15 minutes on average. On 9-11-01 our air defenses were zero for 4. Please explain, and they didn't show up to NYC until after the towers fell down. So good defenses in 2000 and zip for 2001, that's Clinton's mistake right? Go look it up for yourself.

            • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 10:51:05 PM

              Of course they didn't. Do you actually think we would have disregarded something that would have prevented 9/11?

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/17/2008 11:57:36 AM

                Apparently so.

              • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/17/2008 8:40:01 AM

                Then explain what happened that day? How national security was 0 for 4, as opposed ttp the prior years, go on, try to grasp the facts.

            • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/16/2008 10:53:56 PM

              So we all stood around and did nothing while 3000 people died. God damn, man, get real.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 10:16:55 PM

            Checkmate.

            • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/16/2008 10:54:24 PM

              Checkmate? Okay, if you say so, Pia.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 11:45:12 PM

                By checkmate I meant I agree that if wiretapping was used it came in handy to ward off any more terrorist attacks.

                • Posted By: Forty4 @ 12/16/2008 11:58:11 PM

                  I'm sorry P....I misunderstood. Regarding your other post, I haven't gone there yet but I will.

                  Thanks again for taking the time to post the link on the other article... I'll check it out.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/17/2008 8:04:19 AM

                    Did you forget which article you left me the post on?

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/17/2008 7:35:38 AM

                    Hi again. For the condition, try Vitamin D. Read about it. Do that search!

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 11:43:27 PM

                Forty- Hello. What of that article you left me that post and link on? I posted three times for that BP search. Did you check it out? Go to it. Thank you.

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 10:56:39 PM

            Can we agree on legal, Constitutional wire tapping? Otherwise we're getting into an area our founding fathers would have revolted over.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 12/16/2008 10:05:16 PM

          Who is kidding who? You and your disgusting ilk would have been the first to scream bloody murder if Bush had taken unilateral action against anyone, includiing Osama Bin Laden, prior to the attack on 9/11.

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 10:11:13 PM

            Taken action also means beefing up defenses, W did N - O - T - H - I - N - G .

            • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 10:20:34 PM

              What do mean we did nothing? Of course we did. That's why we haven't had any attacks in eight years. EIGHT YEARS!

              • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 10:40:15 PM

                Part of the reason they no longer need to actually attack us is that they wanted to hurt the US economically. Now chatter alone makes security forces go crazy and spend tons on money. The act itself is no longer required.

                • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 11:26:38 PM

                  If you think Al Qaeda doesn't want to attack us again your insane. Actually, you're not insane, you're an idiot.

                  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 1:34:53 PM

                    I am sure they could attack us at any time. Roadside bomb? It is not about just attacking, it is about whatthey attack, and the planning behind it. They won't do anythnig during the "hot' periods becuase awareness is at a high level. They attack when complacency sets in...

                  • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/17/2008 8:35:42 AM

                    I said they don't have to, not they don't want to.

              • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 12:31:30 PM

                From 1993 since the first world trade center attacks we had none then either and GWB was not around. Can I give him credit for that??? He was incompetent in too many areas to say "he" protected us. In the minds of many, including myself he made the problem worse.

              • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 10:34:49 PM

                Before 9-11

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 12:28:32 PM

            Clinton tried to Kill Bin Laden if you recall thetime the epubs were screaming wag the dog during the lewinski fiasco, had no problem with that at all.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/17/2008 11:57:05 AM

        "Geez, Yash, he just took office.... It was President C. that should have not only bagged OBL when he had him offered to him on a silver platter"

        Oh, you mean the debunked Sudanese yarn?

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 10:54:49 PM

        I'm no Clinton fan, but you blame Clinton for not getting Clinton's head, and neither did Bush. Bush didn't get his foot up OBL's ass, he whiffed. He could have finished the job, but got us bogged down in Iraq instead of doing Iraq right. There was no immenent threat there, and there was time to put some boots down and control and important region, but he did not do that correctyl either. I'm glad that OBL has been pinned down, but we allowed his group to just to reorganize and become more diverse. That's more than Clinton did for sure, but I have difficulty imagining anyone doing a 'better' job worse.

  • Posted By: Decline and Fall @ 12/17/2008 2:56:55 AM

    The wire tapping was legal. Tamm's activities were not. They were in fact traitorous and he should be charged with treason for giving aid and succor to our enemies. Upholding the constitution, what a load that is. All criminals attempts to justify their crimes. I don't believe we elected Tamm to provide for our national defence. Send him to jail.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 7:30:15 PM

      The wiretapping was illegal, then the law was changed to fit the crime. Hence protecting the telecoms, remeber?? the telecoms???

      It was a crime against the constitution and te citizens of this country, and the purpotrators should be held accounable. This guy exposed it, did you know that. Do you need a rundown??

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/17/2008 7:38:36 AM

      Thank you for posting this..where did you get this info? Have you a link?

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/17/2008 9:15:23 AM

        "The wire tapping was legal. "

        No, it was not.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/16/2008 9:10:43 AM

    jerkoff is just looking for his 15 min's and book royalties,he could have accomplished both keeping it secret AND having it stopped symply but going thru the chain of command, he wants fame!!!! he wants to be on OPRAH!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 4:29:26 PM

      The chain of command begins and ends at Bush you moron! Wow, you don't have a clue, please go away!

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/16/2008 6:44:17 PM

        Bush is only one branch of goverment, idiot. Busg did not command Congress and courts.

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 6:48:21 PM

          No, he undermined, and hid and lied. Where were those WMDs again?? Any morons want to take that on?? How is that axis of eveil doing?? Oh, we are talking to them now?? Oh, Condi must have gotten to Bush, somebody halfway reasonable pried Cheney's claws off of the president.

          Ya, let's undermine the constitution, the thing we are founded on in the name of fighting terror. Oh, like we are not smart enough to do both. Your problem is that you accept that crp in your leaders. It is okay for them to spy on us without court oversight. I guess the terrorists win.

          Thanks so much for defining how fuking weak you are. That is why there are not many Bush supporters out there, how long can a person remain in denial. Well this board shows, this long!

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 9:24:45 AM

      Once again, Fat Joey demonstrates his abysmal ignorance. Tamm acted years ago. Where is his book? When was his Oprah appearance?

      • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/16/2008 9:57:31 AM

        YEAH BUT HE GOT A NICE "NEWSWEEK"ARTICLE HUH? SH1T4BRAINS!

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 4:32:03 PM

          Ya, and dumbfatjoey the ignorant anti-patriot and others who make excuses for the ncompetent to throw barbs at him. But where is the GOP now? Oh, that's right, they followed bush and his terrorism policies into the wilderness that was set there for losers who could not do thier jobs.

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 10:43:30 AM

          Oh, yes. He'll retire on that, won't he?

          LOL.

  • Posted By: floridacadman @ 12/16/2008 11:07:10 AM

    If you condone illegal taps and such, you can always try Russia. This is the US, people have fought and died for us not to be a faciest dictatorship.
    Bush should be prosicuted. This country isent here for his own personal amusement.

    • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/16/2008 11:39:18 AM

      your right is free speech,not free "secret" speech,where does it say in the constitituion i can't "evesdrop"on your conversation??

      • Posted By: floridacadman @ 12/16/2008 11:47:21 AM

        Its called, 'reasonable expectation of privacy.' If you think it doesnt exist, try bringing secretly taped conversations into any US court, youll be laughed out.
        And, if you want to be bigbrothered, take your communist views back to the USSR where they belong. Too many good people died for certain inalienble rights of the US citizen.

        • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 12:10:47 PM

          I agree with you. Except if you're a terrorist, who has no rights.

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/16/2008 2:14:17 PM

            How do we know who the terrorists are?

            • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 3:29:56 PM

              "How do we know who the terrorists are?"

              1600 Pennsylvania Ave
              Washington DC

              • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:38:26 PM

                And his supporters. They are the biggest supporters of terrorism there is. They created more terrorists through their decisions and support and used terrorism to frighten the sheep in this country to go along with it.

                • Posted By: bpjam @ 12/16/2008 6:05:50 PM

                  Right, anybody who disagrees with you is a terrorist or supports terrorism. Logically, you are a child. Intellectually, you are a moron.

                  Let's be real - shall we? The only people who have actually gone after terrorists are IN the Bush Administration. Janet Reno wasn't doing it. Richard Clarke wasn't doing it. Sandy Berger wasn't doing it. Eric Holder wasn't either.

                  You guys don't even believe that terrorism exists - just that Bush is evil and you are automatically opposed to anything he is for. You live under the freedom that others provide. You whining little liberals who have never sacrified anything for the country love to sit in judgement on those of us who have. You don't put anything on the line yourself but you are thrilled at the possibility on punishing those who protect you whether they agree with you or not.

                  So quick to accuse Marines of being murders, our infantry of being invaders terrorizing the innocent and so quick to explain away or mitigate any of the enemies of America who swear our destruction and despise you and much as me. You'd rather see more Americans murdered here on US soil than see us seek out and kill our enemies overseas. And skip the 'illegal war in iraq' BS. You wouldn't want us listening to our enemies, monitoring their finances, spying on their training camps or disrupting the countries who support them.

                  I'll listen to your whining when the people you so despise have ridded you of the threats which were ignored under your last Messiah and before your new Messiah can dismantle our defenses. But you'll still be whining and only in NYC will it seem 'hip' and 'edgy' social commentary. To the rest of the country it's just endless yapping.

                  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 6:38:13 PM

                    Ya, big bad bush, a child with a badge and a gun, and strings attached to his boss Dick Cheney.

                    Terrorists do exist, we just need somebody with more brains and less agenda. It isn't about if we ned to do soemthing, it is about how we go about it and what the strategy is and the long term risks and short term gains. This administration had vey little of a plan, and was told, but they wouldn't listen.

                    We got attacked, we responded appropraitely, then the "war time" president the "decider" started making other decisions that were at least reckless, criminal, and small minded plans from out of touch individuals. Bush's problem was he was not secure enough in himself for 6 years to cut Cheney's strings.

                    So, it isn't these 'stupid liberals' that don't want to fight, it is people with brains that don't want an incompetent leadeleading the charge. GET IT MORON?

                  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 5:34:45 PM

                    BTW, not a whining liberal, you incompetent ***. You can't see outside your little box that was built fo you by your administration.

                    It takkes a little more thought to understand the level of betrayal of our core values as a country. And as far as whining liberal goes. This moderate independent will fight, and smash those that will hurt our country within my power to do so. I perfer to do it intellegently, but if I need to take somebody down defending myself or friends and family or country, then that will happen... Then they can get up, if they get up and talk that "liberal' sht again.

                    Small minded ***...

                  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 5:29:08 PM

                    Let's be real. My family has given lives for this country you moron. Those in uniform are doing what they are commanded to do, so don't try to bring them into anything.

                    America is it's values and it's principles and what it stands for. Bush basically did the terrorists job by udermining those core values an it'sfabric.

                    I know it takes a little contemplation, but if you think about it, Bush helped them to succeed in that undermining. Not only was he a 'yippee kay ya!" cowboy puppet for Cheny, he was also a puppet for Al Qaida. MIssion fuking accomplished, you moron!

                  • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 8:36:49 PM

                    Bush didn't go after anybody, Cheney just made sure billions went to Halliburton, and then they went overseas as well to avoid taxes. And the ironic thing is Cheney is a known draft dodger, he never served a day.

          • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 12:14:33 PM

            Tamm wasn't complaining about terrorists being wiretapped overseas.

            • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 12:16:25 PM

              Kind of hard to listen in only on one end of the conversation.

              • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 12:25:19 PM

                Which is why the Protect America Act requires a FISA warrant if one side is in America.

                Which part of this are you having trouble understanding?

                • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 12:47:13 PM

                  I understand it very well. Read the bill and you will too!

                  "Domestic Wiretapping"

                  "The bill allowed the monitoring of all electronic communications of people in the United States without a court's order or oversight, so long as it is not targeted at one particular person "reasonably believed to be" inside the country."

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_America_Act_of_2007

                  • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 3:32:13 PM

                    "I understand it very well. Read the bill and you will too!"

                    Many a law is found unconsitutional after the fear goes away. IE It's been W's job to maintain fear. And really who has caused individuals in this country more fear? W or the terrorists?

                  • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 12:55:42 PM

                    "so long as it is not targeted at one particular person "reasonably believed to be" inside the country.""

                    Thus, they need a warrant.

                    Also, Tamm's actions were in 2005.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:33:40 PM

        I ermember you, "dumbfatjoey", remember me?

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 12:06:01 PM

        Amendment IV, according to your supreme court.

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 1:42:49 PM

          Does fat create cluelessness or was is there beforehand and allowed him to become fat?

          Its the chicken versus the egg all over again.

  • Posted By: whatumean @ 12/17/2008 5:31:58 PM

    I was a prosecutor for seventeen and a half years. Prosecutors take an oath to enforce the constitution. That oath supersedes obligations to serve at the will of any member of the executive staff. Prosecutors have cannons that tell them to seek justice above all - to protect the innocent, to do the right thing. Mr. Tamm???s actions were to expose what appears to be criminal conduct by people who by their own admission felt they were above the law. That position by the administration directly challenged the fundamental underpinnings of the constitution. I hope the department of justice chooses against charging Mr. Tamm - he appears to have done what he had taken an oath to do.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/17/2008 5:50:38 PM

      Thank you for sharing an informed perspective on several things that have come up here, including as relates to oaths and higher duties.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 5:44:43 PM

      When we allow ourselves to undermine our constitution, our values, and our laws we tear down ourselves. America is unique in our constitution and our values, and that is what makes us special. That is what we fought for generations. That is what we must protect, and anybody that uses terrorists as a reason to do that basically has enabled or has done what the terrorsist set out to do. Destroying our buildings and our citizens is huge, but destroying our rights and our foundations is everything. When we react in a way that tears down those foundations we are truly lost.

      This gentleman did the right thing, and if he did it for the right reasons he is a patriot. Not the one who walks around with a flag pin eating "freedom fries', but a true patriot...

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/17/2008 5:38:09 PM

      Thank you...

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