The Fed Who Blew the Whistle

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  • Posted By: one4gipper @ 12/14/2008 5:04:04 AM

    Is he a hero or a criminal? Obviously, a rhetorical question. However, the answer is, it depends on to whom you speak. Clearly, most Newsweek readers say that he is a hero. But, those who are more interested in national security than some delusional perception that they are being harmed by having an electonic robot scan their email for trigger words like jihad or bomb would say that he is a criminal.

    FISA is obsolete. It was not designed to deal with the trillions of email that pass through the U.S. backbone to the internet. A less restrictive mode of surveillance than FISA is absolutely necessary to protect us from the fanatical Islamists that want to destroy our way of life. Britain, Germany, and France already have surveillance programs that are substantially more aggresive than ours. For example, it is impossible to go anywhere in London without being recorded on video cameras. The images are subjected to face recognition and a program that looks for behavior that appears suspicious. The British do want this level of intrusion, but some intelligent, thinking people in Britain realize that the loss of some privacy is necessary to national security. To deny the existence of this global threat is insanity at its zenith.

    Obama will not stop the NSA program. It is critical to the accomplishment of his primary responsibility, to keep America safe. The only CHANGE will be that many of the loons complaining about the program now will shut their pie holes because the loss of some civil rights is more palable if imposed from the left. Personally, I want Obama to have this power. I want him to exercise it to the fullest extent necessary to protect me and my country from further attack. And, I will never complain that there is the possibility that some computerized robot is scanning my email for words that are commonly used by fanatics in planning violence against America. I read the posts on this site and I believe that there is truly no hope for America. What a bunch of whinners we have become. I am grateful that W has had the guts to stand up the ridicude of the galactically stupid to protect us. I hope that Obama has the intestinal fortitude to do likewise. First impressions are that he does.

    • Posted By: wickeddog @ 12/14/2008 1:07:15 PM

      Don't worry I am sure we will find something illegal that you have done mentioned in an email. I'm guessing taxes or maybe Mexican gardeners.

      • Posted By: Decline and Fall @ 12/17/2008 3:11:19 AM

        I believe you are projecting your own criminal tendencies on to those who have nothing to hide. The wire taps were legal, tamm's actions in exposing a major operation to defend the U.S. against terrorists were not. He should be tried for treason.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/14/2008 12:04:04 PM

      You really are a gutless wonder, aren't you?

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 12/14/2008 7:54:57 PM

        He just methodically destroyed your idiotic arguments, and that is all you can say? LOL

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/14/2008 8:32:43 AM

      Why is it that just about every poster who stands up for violation of due process comes in and calls everyone who disagrees "stupid" or a "coward"?

      Make your argument without verbally defecating all over everybody, or, face up to the fact that if you can't do so it's you who's the real coward here. Men and women of real courage have no need to prop up their own egoes by insulting a bunch of people they don't know.

      • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/14/2008 8:44:21 AM

        And, something to think about - regardless of whether or not the wiretapping was benign, why did it have to be done in secret? Do you really think people are OK with "it's all right, I'm just spying on you without telling you"? I absolutely personally don't trust you or Bush or the federal government with the power to secretly watch my life. Power corrupts. So get the hell off my phones, my e-mails, and everything else that doesn't have anything to do with you.

        • Posted By: Galasso @ 12/14/2008 9:47:08 AM

          If it wasn't done "in secret" , it wouldn't be a wiretap. One of the reasons we lost Bin Ladin was that the news media published sources and methods. You can't have it both ways.

          • Posted By: wickeddog @ 12/14/2008 1:03:36 PM

            Legal wiretaps in the FISA Court are still secret, and we lost Bin Laden because the Regressives need a boogeyman to scare the sheeple. They could easily have caught Bin Laden but as is well known, the pursuit in Tora Bora was called off to let him escape.

            • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/14/2008 1:46:30 PM

              Clinton had bin laden offered to him on a platter and turned the opportunity down.

              http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml?s=ic

              OBL cowered in Pakistan when Bush went after him. And the Republicans didn't need anyone to scare American people. Obviously, you weren't phased by 9/11. The rest of America was.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 12/14/2008 9:51:26 AM

          "Why does it have to be done in secret?" (I can just hear this in a whiney voice)
          Do you really have to ask this question? How stupid are you? Gasp, more name calling! But really, do you not get why it has to be done in secret? Or are you just so blinded by your false moral outrage because you have been whipped into a left-wing frenzy by the media (after all, that is what they do).

          BTW, electronic surveillance of calls and emails when one end of the communication are outside the country does not require a warrant, and is not protected by the constitution. Your arguement is baseless. So get over yourself.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 12/14/2008 9:45:47 AM

        You are whining yet again. One4gipper makes excellent points about our collective national security, and instead of refuting anying intelligently, all you can do is whine. You whine about the feds, whine about GWB, whine about anyone who disagrees with you on Newsweak,

        As I often say to my 10yr old daughter; would you like some cheese and crackers with that whine?

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/14/2008 10:33:01 AM

          I'm sure you'll raise her to be a lovely person with all the constant reinforcement.

  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 6:08:13 PM

    TAMM YOU ARE A TRUE PATRIOT. SPILL THE TEA! EXPOSE THE RATS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF ON THE LINE. MANY HAVE BEEN PUT IN JAIL FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. MANY HAVE BEEN TRASHED, SOME HAVE HAD THIER WIVES WHO ARE CIA OUTED AND DESTROYED FOR PUBLICALLY CALLING OUT THE LIES AND INCOMPETENCE OF A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.

    YOU ARE A REAL AMERICAN HERO, AND A TRUE PATRIOT!!!

    Don't worry about the BUsh supporters, they are losers, and are dinosaurs and are in the wilderness becuase they are incompetent and support no accountabilty in themselves. They are not accountable but want to hold others accountable, those are called hypocrates.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 8:21:43 PM

      "If the President does it, it's not illegal." Richard Nixon.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 9:38:19 PM

        Wrote a longer one and accidentally deleted! He was caught back dating gift deeds on his tax returns. Wathergate was the breakin of the DNC headquarter, but has just become shorthand for a vast array of corruption of our political process and our institutions. He had his own breakin team that did that several times. That crew was bribed to stay quiet after arrest for the Watergate breakin. There was a whole of operatives to disrupt opposition's campaign. He had an enemies list and used the IRS to get to them. The whole process of penetrating the whole complex took years. A special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, a man of emminence, was appointed. Nixon instructed Elliot Richardson and then William Ruckelshouse to fire him. They both resigned. That was called the Saturnight Massacre. Honestly, there had been so much to that point, I actually considered whether I was going to have to take up arms to rebel because it looked like he might just declare himself a dictator.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 10:32:42 PM

          40YearR-thank you very much for taking the time to do this. Now I know more about Pres. Nixon.

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 11:04:35 PM

            All I can say is that if you had been there then, you would have been more unimpressed about all the accusations about left wing press there are today. Nixon had the whole country believing for years that the whole set of corruptions was a fabrication of the press. Similarly, I get rather uneasy about the hipshot suggestions that the tragedy of 9/11 gives anyone carte blanch to do whatever wiretapping they want to do indiscriminantly. That the government was automatically right and could do anything it wanted was Nixon's theme and it worked.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 8:38:39 PM

        40-what other criminal activity was Pres. Nixon accused of besides Watergate? Is that the right name?

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 8:58:50 PM

          He was pardoned by Ford, it's hard to be pardoned when you're innocent. And that was done to save the adminstration the embarassment of an impeachment and indictment, because the crime was so clear.

          The only thing left after that was hate and fear mongering. And little has changed.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 9:05:52 PM

            Thank you for your comment Yashbudini..very informative but explain to me why you said that it's difficult to pardon someone who is innocent. I don't follow. Was Nixon innocent? I know he resigned before he was impeached.

            • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 9:16:59 PM

              You need to be guilty of a crime to be pardoned, else there is nothing to pardon.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 9:25:00 PM

                Thanks. This is what I thought but wasn't sure. Btw, I like Pres. Ford..don't remember his well but I know he was a good man.

                • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 10:49:25 PM

                  There was a statement that he was against the Iraq war but it was only made public after his death. Makes you wonder why he decided to wait.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 10:11:41 PM

    40YearR-would you happen to recall the title of that particular "shoe throwing" article which you, Harley and I were on this afternoon? I want to check for any replies to my comments but article is no longer listed. Thank you.

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 12/16/2008 8:04:25 PM

    Tamm is a clear cut criminal and should be incarcerated...perferably at Gitmo.

    Thank you, George Bush, for your aggressive prosecution of terrorists at home and abroad. The total lack of attacks on US soil since 9/11 is, by any historical standard, a great accomplishment. Only God knows how many American lives have been saved by your actions.

    Thank you also, GWB, for your steadfast courage in standing up to the spineless, hand-wringing liberals who would rather see Americans burn in collapsing buildings than stand up to defend their nation. They hide their cowardice behind their misguided view that the constitution covers foreign-born killers.
    Newsflash to them: it doesnt.

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 9:09:27 PM

      Beam me up Scotty..........

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 8:19:49 PM

      I'm just wishing GWB been more steadfast in that courage by finishing the job on the ones who did it to us before he bungled that by rushing off to pursue that elective war that his neocon buddies predicted would be short and pay for itself.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 8:17:48 PM

      Thanks for the embarassemt GWB. You have managed to *** up just about everything all in the name or the war on terrorism.

      BTW, the first attack on the WTC was in 1993, how many years was that untilthe next one happened??? Was GWB responsible for that period of calm too?

      Christ!

  • Posted By: rcaplice @ 12/16/2008 8:48:27 PM

    How could Mr. Tamm possibly be considered a criminal? Thank God for people like him, who have the courage and the morality to speak out when the leadership in the US is allowing unspeakable acts to occur. We should be thanking him and holding parades in his honor. Thank you Mr. Tamm, for doing the right thing, even in the face of such personal sacrifice. It is because of people like you that the USis such a great nation!

  • Posted By: bpjam @ 12/16/2008 5:48:47 PM

    Scooter Libby had to spend over $1M to defend himself against a crime-less special prosecutor and got convicted of disagreeing with Tim Russert (by a D.C. jury foreman who was a friend of Russerts and a jury full of democrats still waiting for Cheney to be charged...). Tamm isn't going to be charged in D.C. No F'ing chance. He would be acquitted of his crimes anyways since all he did was betray the country while Bush was President so the 9 - 1 Democrat laden D.C. jury isn't going to convict.

    And an Obama DOJ isn't going to be punishing anybody who wasn't a Republican. Tamm is obvious a liberal or he wouldn't be blogging on anti-Bush websites so Tamm is safe as a lamb. And all this because he didn't approve of the death penalty. Boy, we should have called it the Department of Tamm Justice and made him Attorney General of it since anything which meets his disapproval ends up in the NYT. Good thing Ashcroft didn't have an eating disorder or the WaPo would have had the story.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 5:53:03 PM

      Dick is that you??? Cheney, is that you??? Or are you just another faceless dick full of hypocrasy and anti-patriotism, another non-american...

      • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 6:07:05 PM

        The guy is stating his opinion.... people should be able to do that without being subject to your third grade level bullshit.

        • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 7:05:50 PM

          Stop judging? I may get some respect? LMAO! Neither I or the other poster suggested you were a faceless dick, anti patriiot and un American hypocrite because of your opinion. I just said your reply was bullshit, which it is.

          And of course you don't care. You're a liberal that thinks you can say anything you want here but others can't.

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 8:43:34 PM

            "You're a liberal that thinks you can say anything you want here but others can't."

            Where have you been the last 8 years? What you describe is a Limbaugh tactic, a Coulter tactic, an O'Reilly tactic, etc.

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 7:19:55 PM

            If you make excuses for Bush i think you are a moron, sorry, my opinion. Don't like my country raped by terrorists or presidents who break the law.

            So nice you can label people in your little boxes. Makes it easy for you don't it? Call them a liberal, make excuses for leakers of a CIA operative, what a hypocrasy. Sorry I belive in "real' patriotism, good judgement in our leaders, not some fake morality, and lies, and using terrorism to promote ones political agenda. Won't have it, want some accoutabilty. And I will say and have said the same publically. We will take this country back from the incompetent excuse makers who have zero accountabilty.

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 6:38:50 PM

          He is making his judgements on the "liberal" yada yada, and I am doing the same. I am stating my opinion, pulled it right out of the W playbook. Don't like it, stop the bullsht pre-judgig about motivations and using 'liberal' labels. You may get some respect. FloridaDave was very respectable above without the labeling bullsht.

          Don't really care... Spying on americans without a warrent really pisssess me off...

          • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 7:15:23 PM

            Stop judging? I may get some respect? LMAO! Neither I or the other poster suggested you were a faceless dick, anti patriiot and un American hypocrite because of your opinion. I just said your reply was bullshit, which it is.

            And of course you don't care. You're a liberal that thinks you can say anything you want here but others can't.

            • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 7:23:25 PM

              BTw, you can say what you want, and I don't have to respect what you are saying at all. I will never make excuses for the incompetence of this president, and how they carried out thier policies and teh embarassments this country suffered as a result.

              If you pisss down my back and tell me it is raining, you won't like me very much...

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 8:27:45 PM

      Libbey "got convicted of disagreeing with Tim Russert ". Wasn't there something in there too about compromising state secrets? I think there should be nothing but approbation when some one expresses their opinion. Back off, what is.

  • Posted By: totalkaosdave @ 12/16/2008 12:41:04 PM

    I believe traitor is the correct word.

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 1:30:42 PM

      The people who tried to kill Hitler were also called traitors by the sheeple.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:30:54 PM

        Funny how they will go to the grave with that Bush idiot. I am sure Bush even regrets many decisions though he cannot admit it at this point. But these supporters, they are not patriots, they do not know what the meaning of hero is, nor what a traitor is. Anybody not loyal to Bush is a traitor in thier eyes. They place Bush somewhere up their with God. It is a joke. We should pull a Bush on there Bush suckups and not talk to them for six years becuase they bleong to the axis of evil Bush.

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 3:45:01 PM

          About 50 or so years from now the government will make public Cheney's dirt dealings with the oil company lobbyists that he labeled a "US Energy Policy" worthy of national security status. Then we will begin to find out the true level of ciminalty that the puppetmaster and his puppet have committed.

          • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 6:25:58 PM

            Since you seem to know all about it, why don't you list all the sources I'm certain you have in hand, then, be a hero like Mr. Tamm and have the terrorists Bush and Cheney indicted, impeached, and of course boiled in oil.

            And you hate them so much... what are you waiting for? With all your concrete knowledge, you get could get this done!

            Wow, just think of it! You might even get your 15 minutes too!

            • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 8:34:20 PM

              Actually it was all over the news that the energy policy made by Dick Cheney was considered national security. Where were you? Watching Faux News and Bill Mr Objectivity I Can't Stop Screaming O"Reilly?

            • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 7:31:26 PM

              Yellow cake? WMDs?

              If your bar is set that low that is your issue. But then again the GOP is out there looking for a reason, and it is staring them in the face. If you accept that in your leaders, your issue. I for one appreciate a competent leader, and respect it, especially accountability.

            • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 7:26:42 PM

              Executive Priveledge... Nuf said...

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:55:06 PM

            Ya, and I will be too old to dance in the streets by then...

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:26:44 PM

      Only a traitor to non-americans, and those that do not understand the true meaning of patriotism. Sounds like you...

  • Posted By: rogerally @ 12/16/2008 1:41:07 PM

    Who is the real traitor here? The constitition is the objective test. This gentleman stayed true to our constitutrion, his superiors did not. They were the real traitors. Democracy and the rule of law were at stake. The Bush administration betrayed those ideals. I say so as an objective person who voted for Bush twice.

  • Posted By: Howard_ @ 12/16/2008 10:00:59 AM

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Ben Franklin disagrees with you, Gloria S.

    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 10:40:45 AM

      A little temporary safety? Aside from the fact that you haven't given up any of your liberties, Franklin made that statement a couple of hundred years before jets could fly into buildings killing thousands of people, and before maniacs that can get their hands on nukes can wipe out entire major cities.

      And please don't tell us we're simply living in fear. We're doing everything we can so that we don't have to.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:49:18 PM

        No actually I fear the Bush administration more than any terrorist. They are incompetent and fukups. If you excuse them for tearing down the fabric of our country through the leveraging of terrorism and using terrorism tactics on it's own people and government, then you are a part of the problem.

        Your support for the Bush policies against this country places you in my book as a traitor.

        • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 12/16/2008 6:37:14 PM

          Their incompetence?

          Their "incompetence" managed to destroy the World Trade Center and several adjacent buildings, part of the Pentagon, four jet airliners, and of course kill over three thousand people. Then there's the astronomical financial cost attached to all of it. And you're frightened of Bush who made a stand against them, and has done an excellent job of protecting America (no attacks in eight years).

          People like your aren't part of the problem, you are the problem. As miserable and hate consumed as you seem to be, you might consider moving to Iran. As a certified Bush hater, I'm sure you'd be welcome there.

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 8:13:47 PM

            The no attacks in 8 years on US soil. How many attacks were there since the first World trade center incident?? There was no GW then... They could easily attack us at any time with a roadside bomb here no problem, that would be a psychological nightmare. The big ones take time to plan, and cooperation on the inside and that is much harder to come by these days in general.

            I do not feel safe with BUsh in charge at all.

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 8:07:14 PM

            I don't think I would like the food in Iran. I was not saying terrorists were incompetent, they are crazy fuking A$$holes that kill innoicent people for thier own misguiided reasons, but they most seem very competent.

            I have an issue with fighting terrorism by conventional means, i.e., conventional armies. I supported what went on in Afganistan until it played out in us leaving way too soon, and not following bin laden. I mean, after all of this "gates of hell" talk and we just let him get away. I can't live with just that alone, it chokes me when I think about it.

            We just have to be better than that...

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 10:53:16 AM

        "A little temporary safety? Aside from the fact that you haven't given up any of your liberties"

        Except for your 4th amendment.

        • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 11:02:37 AM

          My 4th amendment rights haven't been lost. When and if they are, I'll let you know.

          Do you live here in America?

          • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 11:07:09 AM

            "My 4th amendment rights haven't been lost. When and if they are, I'll let you know."

            Sure they are. You now have mere privilege. A poor bargain.

            "Do you live here in America?"

            I spend about 2 months a year in the USA. At the moment, I am at home.

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 2:25:10 PM

            "My 4th amendment rights haven't been lost. "

            Yes they have, premeditated ignorance on your part doesn't change that fact.

            • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/16/2008 5:02:54 PM

              Well, maybe he/she doesn't have any contact with foreign nationals, in which case he/she isn't likely to be wiretapped. Which means he/she is okay with his/her own 4th Amendment protection, but not those of Americans with family, friends, or business dealings with foreign nationals. I realize I'm extrapolating, and so I don't know.

              This is a large group, but a lot of the right is too xenophobic to have anything to do with a foreign person, so they maybe consider people who have contact with foreign nationals to be too unsafe to have the same rights they do, or something.

              Or, perhaps he/she doesn't believe that a warrantless wiretap violates the Fourth Amendment. That one is harder to understand, for me.

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 10:53:45 AM

        "And please don't tell us we're simply living in fear. We're doing everything we can so that we don't have to. "

        Rubbish. You're already there.

        • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 11:01:46 AM

          No, but we're trying. But you on the other hand obviously aren't concerned about nuke, bio or any other terrorist attacks. We'll just have to remain vigilant for you.

          • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 11:06:02 AM

            What vigilance? While the NSA spies on antiwar activists and soldiers in the gulf, container ships enter and leave ports with about a 5% inspection rate.

            You aren't safe. You're just craven. Not the same thing.

            • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 12:07:17 PM

              If 5 percent is what is being examined, that's probably what they deem necessary. I will listen to those who are involved and work daily in combating terrorism before I will listen to those who certainly don't have all the facts. Once again, had this program been in place before 9/11, the terrorists phone calls we now know they made to Afghanistan prior to the attacks could have been intercepted, and 9/11 might never have happened.

              • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 4:02:19 PM

                Actaully there were terrorism experts who should have been listened to, but Bush could not handle that. As far as you listening, your whole party is practically out of that job becuase of their unending failures and acts that crossed the legal line and embarassed our great country.

                You just don't get the job, in fact peewee herman and Vasquez ranked higher. Try McDonalads, they need somebody to support the fattening of this country.

              • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 12:17:45 PM

                So, let's just get a straight answer here. Do you, or do you not, support illegal acts by your government, so long as "someone in the know" says it's "necessary"?

                • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 12:50:44 PM

                  Intercepting phone calls from terrorists from a foreign country is not illegal. Congress passed a law iin August of last year that legalized warrantless surveillance, the Protect America Act of 2007.

                  Aside from this, the NW article used phrases like "Tamm stumbled upon the existence of a highly classified National Security Agency program that seemed to be eavesdropping on U.S. citizens." Seemed? and... "He says one volunteered that "the program" (as it was commonly called within the office) was "probably illegal."

                  "Seemed?" and "one volunteered that it was 'probably illegal?'" Very ambiguous. I can see attorneys having a field day with Tamm in a court room.

                  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/16/2008 2:14:53 PM

                    "the Protect America Act of 2007"

                    That law did not exist in 2005.

                  • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 12:56:39 PM

                    "Intercepting phone calls from terrorists from a foreign country is not illegal. Congress passed a law iin August of last year that legalized warrantless surveillance, the Protect America Act of 2007.

                    The PAA requires a warrant if one side of the phone call is in the USA.

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 3:58:35 PM

            Actually, we are concerned but you will not get that job of protecting anybody. Bush fukd up and lost that job for the GOP in general. So, do us a favor and don't do us any favors. There are competent people out there, and they absolutely do not support Bush policies...

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 2:23:13 PM

            Rubbish. You're already there.

    • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/16/2008 10:07:58 AM

      TRUE THEY DON'T DESERVE IT ,BUT THEY DO GET IT,AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE,IF I HAVE TO BREAK AN ARM FOR THE LOCATION OF A NUKE I DO IT!!!

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 4:08:12 PM

        BAsically you are saying we can't fight and be smart about it. You must be an ardent Bush supporter. Please don't take on any important government jobs! Please! We don't need that kind of help, we need true patriots, and people who "can" walk and chew gum at the same time. And you and Bush do not have that capacity...

      • Posted By: jstrayer @ 12/16/2008 11:57:59 AM

        Of course that hasn't happened, so you can't really use it for justification. It really boils down to "Rule of Law". Either you believe in it or you don't. I do. You don't.

  • Posted By: wilsan @ 12/15/2008 8:54:11 PM

    Let's hope that when terrorists hit the USA again, that the New York Times and this 'person' are in the building that goes... That would only be appropriate. After all, they choose to help terrorists kill Americans, why should that not play both ways?

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/16/2008 8:03:03 PM

      They said the same kinds of things about Daniel Ellsberg and John Dean, too. Same old. Same old.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 9:25:34 AM

      Wait. You're HOPING for a terrorist attack?

    • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/16/2008 1:17:59 AM

      Wow. That kind of comment really says a lot about you crazy conservatives. Always wishing for an excuse to go to war.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/15/2008 9:09:59 PM

      Sick!

  • Posted By: armykungfu @ 12/16/2008 9:28:18 AM

    The great lesson here is that every person in government who does not like the president should use every thing at their disposal, even if it is in violation of the law, to hurt them. Their will always be at least half of the country who thinks they did the right thing.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/16/2008 6:48:32 PM

      This is exactly the reason why Soviets had more moles in England than in USA. They collected most of information from newspaper. Not the case in Western Europe, newspapers there are not free to publish secret information, properly the are living in police state, hah?

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 4:23:33 PM

      Poor Bush, not accountable. They always change the subject when the issue involves accountability for Bush. It is, the press attacked him, or somebody didn't like him becuase of the shoes he wears.

      How about this! Bush is a disgrace, and you making excuses and changing the subject about the nature of somebody who stood up against criminal activity is disgraceful. You sir are disgraceful....

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 10:59:30 AM

      Where is your evidence that he did it to discredit the president, rather than to address a breach of both your constitution and federal law?

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/15/2008 5:35:11 PM

    he abhored "lawlessness",then went and broke the law himself,freaking liberal PUTZ!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 6:02:17 PM

      God, you are a fat little puppet. You need to cut the cables man! Get your head out of Bush's A$$...

  • Posted By: Texas-Dem @ 12/16/2008 6:00:43 PM

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure our elected officials should be following the law. The president is not above the law, even thought he thinks he is. The bush crime family should be prosequted to the full extent of the law, including the outing of a CIA agent, to further his polical agenda, They destroyed a CIA agent's career, and put them in harm's way, because they didn't like the WMD report that the agent's spouse brought to them, because it did not help their cause to go to war in Iraq. I could go on & on with the vile & dispicable acts, of this admin., but there is not enough time. Just want to say Thank you to Tamm for trying to protect our constitution, and the rule of law. You are my Hero.

  • Posted By: Texas-Dem @ 12/16/2008 5:45:29 PM

    He is my hero. Thank you Tamm for trying to protect our constiution and rule of law. The Bush crime family has not only shredded our constitution, but has committed treason, by outing a CIA agent, only to further their polical cause, and harm anyone who gets in their way. They, and anyone like them, are un-american, vile, & dispicable. Tamm is a true patriot, indeed! Counting down until inauguration day!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 5:50:47 PM

      Thank you for saying that! Funny how these moron Bush supporters are asking for a hanging and they in thier hypocrasy are hanging thier hero Bush.

      Outing a CIA operative! PlameGate!

  • Posted By: decraig @ 12/16/2008 5:38:48 PM

    I don't know if any "warrantless wiretapping" should be allowed, but at the least there must be oversight. The federal judges responsible for oversight, weren't given the opportunity. This is, at the least, arrogance on the part of the Executive Branch - but I look at it as criminal. Mr Tamm is a hero!

  • Posted By: bpjam @ 12/16/2008 5:27:08 PM

    He should be prosecuted and jailed. He committed a criminal act and knew what the punishment was for it. He passed government secrets to our enemies via Bushs enemies at the NYT. If he were really interested in 'justice' and not just punishing Bush, he would have contacted the IG at the DOJ or contacted a member of Congress on the Intel Committee or the OPR.

    Calling a reporter is a punk way to go. Tamm is being made out to be some kind of victim but he is, in fact, a man who violated the oath he took. He admits he didn't know how the program came about or anything about its legality. He only 'thought it sounded illegal'. But Tamm got what he wanted - a punch in the nose to Bush and hampering of our ability to track terrorists. Congrats mr whistleblower (a term which only applies if you are leaking about a Republican idea, program or Administration), you've really made us safer!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 5:33:47 PM

      Ya, report it to the BUSH dept of justice, I am sure they will respond.

      His only protection was the press, he would have gotten smashed for being a patriot.

      Sorry, patriots are people that will protect our rights while putting themsleves on the line. He did that and that makes him a patriot and a hero, and exposes Bush as the most corrupt president in the history of this planet... I did get a great laugh and burp from your posting though, thanks...

  • Posted By: missingyouannmarie @ 12/16/2008 6:51:59 AM

    there are 2 kinds of lawyers..............live ones and dead ones.................... and they both stink of filth the same

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 12/16/2008 5:29:10 PM

      My grandfather was never that type of lawyer, and you can go to hell!

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 9:17:40 AM

      Everyone feels that way until they need one.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 10:32:45 AM

        Your lawyer will be your strongest ally.

    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 12/16/2008 9:13:33 AM

      We can't function as a society without lawyers. What we need here in America, for at least civil cases, is the system they have in UK: Loser pays. That eliminates many of the trivial and abusive lawsuits. That won't happen here of course, because lawyers write most of the laws!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 8:23:56 AM

      Too bad you feel this way because you never know when you may need a lawyer.

  • Posted By: jkristal @ 12/16/2008 7:52:07 AM

    Tamm is a hero in the truest sense of the word. How dare anyone criticize him for doing precisely what he had sworn tio do: uphold the Constitution. As a fellow Georgetown University Law School graduate, I am proud to know that the ethical and moral education we received lives on. As Americans we should rally around and support him and his family in this time of need. We need more Tom Tamms..

    • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/16/2008 9:08:22 AM

      he swore an oath of silence too?

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 9:17:08 AM

        Which is more important? Covering up wrongdoing, or upholding the constitution?

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/16/2008 2:16:31 PM

          Guess. This ain't our grandfathers' America.

          • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/16/2008 2:37:15 PM

            That's because people have been Bush-whacked.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 5:13:11 PM

        I thought you meant he swore an oath of office. But that was Bush and he could not do the job, so he cheated and got caught. Not much different from his past. Imcompetence and not being at the level of others, you cheat, and lie, and surround yourself with cheaters and liars to justify your existence. Even if it takes raping te justice department to get loyals there too... Howvery nice..

        Thanks TAMM you are a true patriot. And dumbfatjoey, he is a wannabe american...

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 12/16/2008 6:27:53 AM

    THE MAN SWORE AN OATH OF SECRETCY! TOO BAD WHAT YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS ARE! "I DON'T BREAK MY WORD OR MY BALLS FOR ANYONE"...TONY MONTANA

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 5:25:37 PM

      Wow dubmfatjoey, you let the cat out of the bag. You watch too manymovies and are out of touch with reality. Why don't you lose some weight, go to school and watch less tv and you may be able some day to formulate a reasonable response. Until then you will be known as dumbfatjoey.

      Hey dubmfatjoey, were you one of those that hung Jesus on the cross??? I bet you were...

  • Posted By: Gloria S @ 12/16/2008 9:47:21 AM

    Arrest, prosecute and put him in jail until he is dead. He is a traitor and this punishment is too easy. Too bad we don't execute traitors any more. If we did, the NY Times would have to close their doors.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 12/16/2008 5:18:39 PM

      And Bush?cheny and people like Gloria would be hanging from the nearest lamp post...

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/16/2008 5:09:44 PM

      By the way, I think it's funny that you don't just say "arrest him" or "try him". You say, in essence, "find him guilty and kill him" - no mention of trial or any sort of impartial judicial agency or jury to make the determination.

      To me, that sounds like you're ready to toss the 6th Amendment out the window as well as the 4th.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/16/2008 5:06:24 PM

      It's getting really hard to want to give you guys any power over running the country when you state a desire to kill, hurt, injure, imprison, or execute so many of us.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/16/2008 11:03:14 AM

      " If we did, the NY Times would have to close their doors."

      Indeed. Damn that freedom of the press! What commie put THAT in your constitution?

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/16/2008 2:33:27 PM

        Some left wing nut jobs. I think their names were Madison, Jefferson, and Henry.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 12/16/2008 10:34:11 AM

      I see you enjoy barbarism.

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