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  • Posted By: mroland @ 12/16/2008 1:03:58 AM

    I have 2 nphews that my family can not see. Their mother (my sister) pays child support, sends letters and cards, but can not see them. Nobody in my family is allowed to call or visit them, but we did nothing wrong. Their father was the one who abused both of his wives. When my sister first left him she had her sons with her, but a few years later she lost custody because of her now ex-boyfriend. Her ex's family has done everything they can to keep the boys from even knowing their mom and this family ever since. Letters and cards are hidden or thrown away, and calls are not answered, thanks to caller id. If we try to visit my nephews they will call the police or worse. The boys are not even allowed to call my sister by her name or mom; they call her something else. The court system has failed my family and my nephews.

    • Posted By: aformerabusedmom @ 12/16/2008 2:14:01 AM

      mroland there is help out there. Do a search for non-custodial moms and ignore NANCM. Look in yahoo. You wwill find help. Look online - we are out there. Large groups of moms who have been abused, or whose children have been abused or both and we try to learn and help and support one another. THERE IS HELP!!!!!!

      • Posted By: roadkill1965 @ 12/17/2008 9:50:25 PM

        Or better yet, look for non-custodial PARENTS. Fathers have been in the disadvantaged position for so long that we've learned how to deal with it. As we shift toward shared parenting, there will be more and more non-custodial mothers. Personally, I hate the term "non-custodial." It's a pejorative, meaning that you're not really a parent (but still send money).

  • Posted By: aformerabusedmom @ 12/16/2008 12:41:11 AM

    I am so glad Barry Goldstein found this story. I hope he spread it far and wide. He is truly an abused women's advocate!!!! I plan to get the word out as well. How quickly we forget when a woman who tries to leave an abuser, he shows up for his parenting time and takes the children and kills them and then himself. It needs to stop. Shared parenting is a huge mistake. If one or the other seems to think that access needs to be less than shared, there must be a reason for it. Abusers can hide in any house, around any corner. And they will hurt a child more than that child not having a father.

    • Posted By: Kelly M. Bray @ 12/16/2008 1:22:13 AM

      Your post is ridiculous. department of Justice statistics show that children are far more likely to be abused or killed by their mother, not their father.Jjust because you were abused it does not give you the right to slander good fathers and use bogus statistics.

      • Posted By: aformerabusedmom @ 12/16/2008 2:17:45 AM

        DOJ statistics also do not consider tnhe percentages either. Of the time spent with mother what percentage is abuse time? The same goes for fathers. When considering the amount of time spent with each, fathers are more abusive. I have done research in my community and of all dv arrests 95%+ are male. 10-15% of those ar repeat offenders. Of the repeat offenders only 5 % of those are actually gievn jail time. I have lived this for 5 years and the courts ignore abuse claims - they think it is just a woman trying to gain an upper hand.

        • Posted By: missingyouannmarie @ 12/16/2008 4:22:39 AM

          but how many in your stats are women who kill their children to keep them from their fathers??? I read where the little girl's body was just found the other day, killed by who???????? THE MOTHER

          • Posted By: aformerabusedmom @ 12/16/2008 12:00:52 PM

            I have read several articles over the last few days where the FATHER killed the children in order to keep them form the mother. The mother killer cases always stay in the news longer because any mother who would kill thier child is seen as obscene, where when a father does it, it is not considered weird because it happens quite frequently.

            • Posted By: roadkill1965 @ 12/17/2008 9:40:30 PM

              I think your emotions have clouded your logic. Fathers kill their children quite frequently? Come on, that's rediculous. Just like saying mothers kill their children quite frequently. You are likely correct that mothers kill their children more frequently than fathers because they spend more time with them. As shared parenting becomes the norm, I'm sure those statistics will even out. However, both parents generally love their children, and would do anything to protect them. THAT is the norm biologically.

    • Posted By: Madison.S.W @ 12/16/2008 3:41:11 AM

      You should be shot for ignorant accusations.

  • Posted By: madrelobo @ 12/16/2008 12:05:08 AM

    I've been a paralegal for 20 years, doing family law. I am also a single mother with two sons (now 22 and 18). There is no pat, perfect solution for child custody. And, frankly, it changes from case to case, depending on the child, his / her age, her / his relationship with his parents, the parents' job(s), living arrangement(s), and so on. And there in nothing more important than the parents getting along. I cannot count the number of times that a parent - male and female alike - has made bogus charges against the other parent - either to try and ensure the other parent has no visitation or to ensure that he or she does not have the pay child support. And the complaining parent never takes into consideration the emotional damage their child(ren) will suffer from false allegations or coaching from the parent making the false accusation. I realize that divorce is bitter - hey, it's paid my salary for two decades. But what angers and frustrates me is how way too many parents are more interested in hurting the other parent than doing the right thing by their child(ren).

    • Posted By: aformerabusedmom @ 12/16/2008 12:36:07 AM

      This is true but also true are the situations in which abuse is ignored because it did not happen in the judge's courtroom or in front of a law enforcement officer. There were witnesses to abuse in my case, but they were weak witnesses. One was later discovered to be a drug addict (that my now ex invited to our home). Three were chidlren (one was ours who was a toddler but she was vocal and said and still says daddy hit mommy, daddy put marks on mommy, what did mommy do she is asked - mommy cried). The other two were 6 and 8 at the time they lived with us (they are now 12 and 14 and cannot wait for the day I can go public - they want to tell ALL). And the other was my sister. Family member generally do not make reliable witnesses as most judges believe they will do and say whatever their relative wants them to say.

      Domestic violence is one of two hidden secrets in society. It is one of the most difficult crimes to prove. Criminal courts have the standard - beyond a reasonable doubt. How can someone prove abuse with no witnesses? She might have bruises or injuries but if she is not credible (emotional) on the stand she is nearly always instantly discredited. Abusers nearly always can maintain their cool. They do it so well while abusing her so why not? How many times have you read of a man who killed his ex-wife, wife, or girlfriend? What have the neighbors said about these men? nearly always it is one form or another of this very statement: I never saw or heard anything that would make me think she was abused. he was such a nice guy. The neighbor then shares a feel good story about a little league coach, soccer coach, or fun barbaquing neghborhood parties thrown by this man. DV is HIDDEN. DV is about POWER AND CONTROL. The abusive man feel ENTITLED to maintain this lifestyle and will continue it post divorce if allowed to do so.

      • Posted By: roadkill1965 @ 12/17/2008 9:28:36 PM

        Domestic violence is most certainly NOT a hidden secret in our society! Watch any daytime show or read any newspaper, and you'll see that. This country wastes BILLIONS of dollars a year trying to fight mutual combat (the vast majority is mutual). The problem is false accusations. There are so many, especially in the heat of a divorce, that the real deal cases get lost in all the noise. As you stated, it's very difficult to prove abuse, but by the same token, it's also difficult to disprove. That means it still comes down to he said / she said, and how reliable the witnesses are considered to be.

  • Posted By: mrtpwq @ 12/16/2008 9:10:38 AM

    The comments show exactly what the worst part of divorce is - the parents end up thinking only of themselves. They may say they are doing things in the name of their children, but when it comes down to it, their actions show it's more about fighting for "equality" be it financial or time spent with kids. My parents divorced when I was 10, and at 27 I continue to be torn in different directions because of their decisions. While they spend each holiday at home, I shuffle between the places. Same for birthdays. I'm the one who ends up responsible for making "joint" events work. And my parents get along and still love each other! This is a best case scenario! Parents, by getting divorced in the first place (unless there was physical abuse or severe emotional abuse that could not be curtailed by intense therapy and work on the part of both parents), you have done nothing but sacrifice your children's happiness and emotional stability for your own.

    • Posted By: aformerabusedmom @ 12/17/2008 7:42:14 PM

      I feel for you. I wish I had both my parents to spend holidays with. You see my father died from a surprise heart attack/stroke when I was barely in my teens and my mother died last year. This will be my second Christmas without her. My child misses her grandmother immensely as do I. My ex was impatient with my mother and while she was still here and extremely sick, hospitalized, I tried to have her grandaughter visit her. My ex stated "What the old hag hasn't croaked yet?" in front of our child. ALL of this has been reported to child protection workers, to therapists, to school counselors, to the courts - to no avail.

      Maybe if you do what I did one year when I felt stretched. Tell them okay we have this time period to be with family. I will drive to see all but we must come up with times etc and stick with those times. I now can go visit my siblings (2 of them), my mother's sister, and my ex-inlaws all on Xmas eve. I do siblings in the am, aunt in the afternoon and ex-inlaws in the pm. It works. We stay only as long as we said. yes we are tired when we get home but we enjoy ourselves and we are not stressed. Try that :-)

    • Posted By: ire123 @ 12/16/2008 9:53:17 AM

      Thanks for your honest post.
      In reading your thoughts I'm reminded of my own adult daughter and her efforts to offer equal time to both her father and me while managing her own very busy life.
      I wonder if you could offer any suggestions as to how your parents might ease your burden in your situation. I have removed myself from the holiday "rotation" opting to set aside time after the holidays in an attempt to ease my daughters load. This has worked well and while I have often felt sadness at not being present for these holidays I know it makes things easier for her in not having to run from house to house and divide her time. Can you offer any other suggestions?
      I know your feeling is that parents who divorce place their own happiness above the happiness of their children. This is difficult to respond to as each divorce is complex and unique. I know that as a mother and as a daughter I can see both views. Though as a mature woman I can only now understand that I would not have wanted either of my parents to remain married for my sake, I would not ask them to sacrifice their own happiness for mine. As a much younger woman it is appropriate to see only the selfishness in your parents decision to divorce. Hopefully, over time and experience your heart will soften to their situation and you will understand their lives. Please know that no parent ever sets out to hurt their child. I still, years later, ache with the thought of telling my daughter her father and I were divorcing...I have suffered no greater pain in my life than hurting my child. No parent could.

      I wish you happiness and healing,

      • Posted By: pepopo @ 12/16/2008 11:44:11 AM

        thank you, sincerely, for your comments. i am both a child of divorce and going through a divorce, sharing custody of our son. i was raised by a single mother and saw my father once a year. though i would have given anything for my father to want to be a part of my life, i would not have asked my parents to reunite. the violence and the bitterness would NOT have made mine a happy home. i understand that because the original poster says her parents still love each other, she doesn't understand why they didn't just stay together for her sake. i do still love my husband, but the solution to a happy home life for our son is not for us to stay together. building resentment and stress would quickly take my son from two happy, stable, loving, cooperative homes to one rigid, unpleasant living environment. we all need to be flexible, understanding, and mature as the makeup of society and our families change. my situation works because my husband and i both care deeply about our son's emotional health and make him our priority. would this situation work for two people who are emotionally immature and wallowing in selfish bitterness? no. i see it all around me. it does not work; it leads to battles of all kinds; it is painful for the parents and scars the children deeply. please, ladies, rise above your anger, even if he cheated on you, and do not deny your children their fathers -- particularly fathers who are willing and eager to be part of their children's lives. it absolutely harms your children to erect barriers between them and their fathers' love.

  • Posted By: ralexan584 @ 12/15/2008 11:02:21 AM

    The article says " 27.7 percent of custodial mothers live below the poverty line, compared to only 11.1 percent of custodial fathers". So this is supposed to show that women suffer financially from divorce, and child support laws shouldn't be changed? What nonsense! Show me instead the poverty rate of the corresponding NON-custodial fathers (you know, the ones paying the child support). It will be even higher than the povery rates for the custodial mothers. So the mothers benefit financially from custody, they don't not suffer from it. The lower poverty rate you show for CUSTODIAL fathers is irrelevant to your argument. That statistic just shows fathers usually have to have money to hire a good lawyer in order to win custody. Women obviously don't..

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 12/15/2008 11:32:04 AM

      Ralexan: This is not about who suffers most , the women or the men; stop playing the victim and pay attention.

      It is always the children who suffer most.

      As far as I'm concerned, anytime I hear a divorced parent whining that the other spouse got the better deal I'm immediately going to think the child is better off with the non-whiner; the whine is clearly focused more on herself or himself than on what is best for the child.

      Because it shouldn't be about which adult gets shaft, it should always be about what is best for the child.

      • Posted By: ralexan584 @ 12/15/2008 11:56:36 AM

        For C. MacLeon:
        What's best for the child is for NEITHER parent to get the shaft. That's what makes it easier (or even possible) for the parents to get along much better, which is by far best for the child. Why is that so hard to see?

        • Posted By: bmd12345 @ 12/15/2008 12:06:11 PM

          What a bunch of huey. You both get the shaft no matter what. Why is it so hard to stay together- it is not about sex anyway especially after 50

          • Posted By: ralexan584 @ 12/17/2008 6:51:28 PM

            Soory, but with no-fault divorce, it takes TWO to want to stay together. And there are enough incentives now given to women that they prefer to divorce. They get the kids, plus the better financial arrangement. Imagine the outcry we'd hear if the statistics on custody were reversed, so men got the kids virtually always. Would you women like to trade palces with us on that? No, I didn't think so.

          • Posted By: ralexan584 @ 12/17/2008 6:50:57 PM

            Soory, but with no-fault divorce, it takes TWO to want to stay together. And there are enough incentives now given to women that they prefer to divorce. They get the kids, plus the better financial arrangement. Imagine the outcry we'd hear if the statistics on custody were reversed, so men got the kids virtually always. Would you women like to trade palces with us on that? No, I didn't think so.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 12/15/2008 12:09:50 PM

        It is not about whinning as you call it! It is about getting a fair treatment in the court of law! Remember justice is suppose to be blind and not favour one person over the other. If you are saying that it is justice when 90% of women get custody then your eyes are shut. These laws need to be looked at a revised to do what is right and not put a child in a worse situation.

        Most family problems stem from not having a father in the lives of children and when our courts are design to keep children the father out of the lives of children as much as possible then we need to change the laws.

        • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 12/15/2008 3:23:15 PM

          I'm saying there is no justice for the children, and they are the only ones who count. The laws that need to be changed are the ones that don't protect the best interest of the child - for starters, every child in a custody case needs their own legal adviser, to be paid for equally by both parents. If the parent can't pay their share, they don't get primary custody.

          Imagine how different divorce would be in this country if we put the child's interests first. This ridiculous discussion about laws stacked in favor of the mother, or the father, would be obsolete.

          And maybe parents would either work harder to keep the family together, or think harder about becoming parents in the first place.

          • Posted By: roadkill1965 @ 12/15/2008 9:38:36 PM

            I always cringe whenever I hear someone say that the children are the only ones that count. What are the parents? Chopped liver? The rights of the children ARE important, but so are the rights of the parents. Do we suddenly not count any more when we turn 21? Just because we're adults doesn't mean that we have lost all of our natural God-given rights in life!

  • Posted By: giftedsanta @ 12/17/2008 4:27:37 PM

    Shared parenting should be given as default custody. Otherwise it will amount to violation of human rights of both the children and the fathers involved. The current laws are atrocious/inhumane and are being abused by avengeful mothers against fathers.

  • Posted By: fhayward @ 12/17/2008 2:57:23 PM

    For Nickelson to claim that "mother bias has largely gone by the wayside" is patently absurd. This, in a society where judges and mediators are bombarded with media images of infantile dads and supercompetent moms, and educated on news stories filled with mythological statistics on domestic violence?!? Judges and mediators don't have the time to properly evaluate incredibly complicated situations, so they have little to go on, other than stereotypes. The fact that Newsweek printed the accusation that fathers seek more time just to lower their child support payments, without presenting the obvious challenge (Isn't it equally logical that mothers would seek to limit a father's time in order to MAXIMIZE their child support payments?) proves that Newsweek fits right in with the country's anti-father bias.

  • Posted By: CraigF @ 12/17/2008 12:23:23 PM

    Holy Moly. and I thought the problem in Kentucky were bad. Wow fathersright101 you win the prize.! South Carolina is just as backwards as Kentucky. Obviously your judges have to much free time on there hands for $50. And again you ex being the fairer or weaker sex, gets nothing on the contempt charge, yet this judge Armstrong wants to "Strong Arm" you into jail for $50. Where is the justice? You're right the court system does produce dead beat dad because they look at the immediate and not the long term. You accurately described a scenario that could happen. I am sorry that the so called Honorable Judge Armstrong did not have the same insight. Tell your friends and neighbors to forget him the next time they are in the voting booth and boot the bum out. This isn't family court its extortion. I hope things go better your way my friend, and to the co-worker who loaned you the $50 bucks, you have my respect and admiration.

  • Posted By: fathersrights101 @ 12/17/2008 11:28:32 AM

    This is only part 1, you have to continue and read part 2. What I wrote had too many characters so I had to break it into two sessions:

    Part 1 in Beaufort, SC:
    Regardless of how you view this, family courts must not be apart of the justice system. Too many times fathers have been denied their rights and still nothing has been done about it. In my case, my lawyer told me the approximate amount I would have to pay in child support but never once asked if I wanted more than visitation. I was never properly informed about child custody and with so much going on I put trust in the lawyer I had paid. If I had to research the law then why did I need her? This was/is her profession, not mine. I understand that there are new changes to be made and changes that have occurred but the final decision is the judges??? decision. Yes, you can continue to fight and fight but as we have all witnessed, the amount of time it takes and legal fees that are attached are outrageous. If you are a middle class parent fighting for custody or even the rights you are entitled, by the time the courts will entertain you, your mind and wallet are exhausted. You may have started out in the middle class but you will eventually end up in poverty and unable to pay the legal fees which causes the situation to continue with an added problem. It is amazing how the courts will tell you child support and visitation are two different issues but yet in the divorce proceedings, the same judge gives support and visitation at the same time (if you are in court at a later date for one the judge will not hear from you about the other). I am a resident of Beaufort, South Carolina and I feel the court system here manufactures ???Dead Beat Dads.??? For example: My former job was going through cutbacks and unfortunately I was one of the cuts. I was out of work for two and a half months in which I continued to pay child support. The third month I was unable to pay $50.00 dollars out of the court ordered $800.00 plus (per month). Like I said, I had just started a new job so I had no income at the time. I was ordered to court a month later, which happened to be two days before my first payday. The judge I had to appear before told me I would be arrested if I didn???t have the $50.00 in my pocket to pay at that moment. Luckily an old friend of mine (and new co-worker) was there and paid it for me. It amazes me how soon I could be dragged into court for $50.00 but it takes months (even years) to receive a court date when it deals with the fathers??? rights.

  • Posted By: fathersrights101 @ 12/17/2008 11:23:23 AM

    Part 2 in Beaufort, SC:
    Now, the reason I say the court system here manufactures ???Dead Beat Dads??? is because I had a judge willing to detain me for 10 days which may have caused me to lose the job I had recently obtained. Which would have also caused me to be an additional $400.00 behind in child support (due to being detained). This would have possibly caused me to have to find another job (who knows how long this would take) so in turn I could have been arrested again for a minimal of six months and this distress would be all for $50.00. Not to mention I had never had an incident where I didn???t pay my child support in full and on time since we had gone to court to start our legal separation process. I am paying over $800.00 per month and I am responsible for driving three and a half hour to see my kids from SC to GA (every visitation because Judge Armstrong awarded her that). During the divorce Judge Robert Armstrong made it clear that if the guidelines set are not met, she and or I would be held in contempt of court. Guidelines such as refinance the home and vehicles to remove the others??? name from the property. I received the home and she wanted the BMW. I refinanced and she didn???t. The vehicle was later repossessed so we were back in court under a contempt motion before the same judge (Judge Robert Armstrong). At that time he states he would not hold her in contempt of court. I was threaten with 10 days in jail (and what ever would have followed) for $50.00 but a vehicle that still had my name on it at the time of seizure with a remaining balance over $20k, he find that she needs a little more time. If you can find true justice in this, I would be more then willing to list with an extremely open mind but until then, like I said before, it doesn???t matter what the laws are because the person with the gavel has that final word. Remove the bias lawyers and judges and maybe then we will have a justice system.
    For further discussions, you may email me at: fathersrights101@yahoo.com

  • Posted By: fathersrights101 @ 12/17/2008 11:22:40 AM

    Part 1 in Beaufort, SC:
    Regardless of how you view this, family courts must not be apart of the justice system. Too many times fathers have been denied their rights and still nothing has been done about it. In my case, my lawyer told me the approximate amount I would have to pay in child support but never once asked if I wanted more than visitation. I was never properly informed about child custody and with so much going on I put trust in the lawyer I had paid. If I had to research the law then why did I need her? This was/is her profession, not mine. I understand that there are new changes to be made and changes that have occurred but the final decision is the judges??? decision. Yes, you can continue to fight and fight but as we have all witnessed, the amount of time it takes and legal fees that are attached are outrageous. If you are a middle class parent fighting for custody or even the rights you are entitled, by the time the courts will entertain you, your mind and wallet are exhausted. You may have started out in the middle class but you will eventually end up in poverty and unable to pay the legal fees which causes the situation to continue with an added problem. It is amazing how the courts will tell you child support and visitation are two different issues but yet in the divorce proceedings, the same judge gives support and visitation at the same time (if you are in court at a later date for one the judge will not hear from you about the other). I am a resident of Beaufort, South Carolina and I feel the court system here manufactures ???Dead Beat Dads.??? For example: My former job was going through cutbacks and unfortunately I was one of the cuts. I was out of work for two and a half months in which I continued to pay child support. The third month I was unable to pay $50.00 dollars out of the court ordered $800.00 plus (per month). Like I said, I had just started a new job so I had no income at the time. I was ordered to court a month later, which happened to be two days before my first payday. The judge I had to appear before told me I would be arrested if I didn???t have the $50.00 in my pocket to pay at that moment. Luckily an old friend of mine (and new co-worker) was there and paid it for me. It amazes me how soon I could be dragged into court for $50.00 but it takes months (even years) to receive a court date when it deals with the fathers??? rights.

  • Posted By: Tom B @ 12/17/2008 11:04:36 AM

    This was a somewhat warm and fuzzy article but nonetheless, did have some merit. Allyson needs to get real and her head out of the sand. I would like to have seen more about the devastating affects this has on kids in the article. The child custody statistics on children that come from fatherless homes are 63% of youth suicides, 90% of runaways, 71% of pregnant teenagers, and 71% of high school dropouts. Kids who have chemical abuse problems who don???t have fathers include 75% of the numbers, 85% of the kids in prisons, 80% of rapists who were motivated with anger, and 85% of the kids that are suffering from behavioral disorders. This is the reality of what the corrupt family court system has generated.

  • Posted By: Tom B @ 12/17/2008 11:02:24 AM

    This was a somewhat warm and fuzzy article but nonetheless, did have some merit. Allyson needs to get real and her head out of the sand. I would like to have seen more about the devastating affects this has on kids in the article. The child custody statistics on children that come from fatherless homes are 63% of youth suicides, 90% of runaways, 71% of pregnant teenagers, and 71% of high school dropouts. Kids who have chemical abuse problems who don???t have fathers include 75% of the numbers, 85% of the kids in prisons, 80% of rapists who were motivated with anger, and 85% of the kids that are suffering from behavioral disorders. This is the reality of what the corrupt family court system has generated.

  • Posted By: CraigF @ 12/17/2008 10:19:45 AM

    Gee I am johngalt.. Are we in the 1950's or 60's. Stay together to prove you're an adult. Gee maybe Wally and the Beav will be on later. Come on. You call being miserable something your children should see each day. Oh that is just a fine example. I am I to believe there are no video games, no VCR or DVD in your household either? We as a society evolved and we also learned that our children learn from what they see and emotions they sense. Seeing you stick together and sensing you are miserable is a good example? The failure here is the Family Court system and pre-determined outcomes. I see the Kentucky postings here on just eliminating the father becuase the mother remarried or has a supporting boyfriend? That might be good for horses on that first day in May but Kentucky wake up! its time every one called their state assembly or legislator, Congressmen, Senator, and voice your disapproval at the current system and demand some revisions. Remember their actions or in action when you go to the voting booth next time. If you want change to have to make change and hold those in charge accountable. Call you local and state Family Court systems and voice your disconcern. One voice make a difference, 100 voices makes you heard, 1000 voices means you get the point across, 10,000 voices you are a force, 1,000,000 voices means change.

  • Posted By: planetaryg @ 12/17/2008 9:54:19 AM

    Family court is probably not the place to settle custody matters. The article mentioned Parental Alienation (PA) . It did not mention it is at epidemic proportions today. It did not mention that doing PA is to commodify the child and abuse the child in one of the most insidious ways. It did not mention that few courts recognize the existence of PA. It did not mention that there are groups that enter and inturde into family court proceedings that reject PA. One such group took my precious daughter from me. It was the Justice for Children. They reject PA and are sexist. Courts allow such demented and confused groups to neter and intervene because the courts themselves and their so-called professionals are functioning with a certain level of addiction and addictive behaviors. So tell me when we will ever see justice done in a family court.

  • Posted By: anthonysrealdad @ 12/17/2008 9:17:15 AM

    People can argue until they're blue in the face whether a mothers or a father's participation is more significant to the healthy development of their child/children. It doesn't take a Ph.D. to know children need both parents in their life. Why is it so offensive to think a father should get or want just as much time with their child as the mother? In a society where we look down on deadbeat parents, do we really want to discourage fathers from seeking maximum time with their children? Maybe I don't have a big fancy degree, but I'm smart enough to understand "Kids Need Their Dads Too!" Please join me and many others in Kentucky to send this message to the Kentucky Legislature. Call the Kentucky Legislative Message Line today at 1-800-372-7181 and ask the whole legislature to support Bill BR57. No matter where you live, please help make sure each child in KY has the same right to know and love their daddy. http://www.letmeseemyson.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: mr.engineer @ 12/16/2008 2:07:09 AM

    Children should always be put first in these situations...that, we can all agree on. But with that said, from the moment the baby is concieved, the father is immediately at a disadvantage in family court if that day comes. It's a whole different monster when you're not married. Getting custody based on who's the better parent and the child's needs doesn't happen. The US court system is a joke. Too many women are taking advantage of an outdated system at the expense of their own children just to "get even" and to fill their pocketbooks. I just think courts should be more fair and do whats best for the kids. It is sad that our family court system is so outdated. Maybe with enough fatherly support, we can send a message to Obama to add this to his list of CHANGE.

    • Posted By: SOLORZANO @ 12/16/2008 3:07:03 AM

      YES WE ALL SHOULD WRITE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA TO CHANGE FAMILY COURT SYSTEM

      • Posted By: verylonelymom @ 12/16/2008 8:52:27 AM

        Well mr. engineer, you probably make 30 - 40% more than I do as an engineer because of the mommy penalty many women get hit with, as primary caregivers of their children. However ex mr. engineer, who makes far more than mommy engineer, could afford better counsel, and took the children away. Now how fair is all of that, when the children are devastated?

        • Posted By: fjwa @ 12/17/2008 1:40:53 AM

          Not buying that garbage. I work with engineers, both male and female. There is no wage gap. Especially in the 30-40% range. You are high.

          • Posted By: verylonelymom @ 12/17/2008 8:59:08 AM

            You are high. That is a fact...I have the same degree as exspouse, only he has a B.S., ans I have an M.S., he makes. I make 35.6% less than him, as he was able to travel and advance his career and said he needed to because "his job was more important." My children were most important, and I was available when they needed and my career slowed for it (i.e. the mommy penalty), therefore pay increases stalled. It happens all the itime. Studies support this. Haven't you heard of Lilly Ledbetter. You have no clue.

  • Posted By: allyson24 @ 12/17/2008 6:00:46 AM

    The man who writes about his 3 ex-wives needs to look at himself. Why are you on wife #4?? Hmmm -- maybe YOU are the problem?? But of course, blame is placed on his ex-wives and we have to hear about how one ex-wife cuts his toenails in front of the other spouses -- this man sounds like he has a few "issues".

  • Posted By: lordofthethirdring @ 12/16/2008 10:37:09 PM

    It has never ceased to amaze me that when legislators passed "no fault" divorce laws that the did not anticipate the large number of divorces due to couples disappointment with their lives projected on one and other and their inability and unwillingness to resolve the misalignment of their lives. Having opened the flood gates to divorce to people dissatisfied with their lives that the legislators would have courts oversee the dissolution of disappointed lives. Why would one think that courts whose functions are to determine guilt, assess damages and assign punishments are the channel to deliver social services to disappointed damaged families.

    • Posted By: fjwa @ 12/17/2008 1:54:42 AM

      That was the entire purpose. Feed one to destroy the other while they pay the system to fight it out. The system wins, and we lose. Hows it feel to be a gladiator for the system?

  • Posted By: anonymums @ 12/16/2008 1:04:32 AM

    Have a look at the shared parenting disaster in Australia. The homicide rates have gone up and they are scrapping it.
    http://thesharedparentingdisaster.blogspot.com/

    • Posted By: fjwa @ 12/17/2008 1:36:48 AM

      Government loosing money huh? Not profitable?

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