The Good Book and Gay Marriage

The Bible says nothing about gay marriage, but that certainly won't stop the holy rollers from wrapping their hate in it.

I say live and let live. To stand as strongly against one idea another to the degree these religeous radicals do is just hateful in my opionion. You would have to be radical to say one love is more godly than another. love is no longer the agenda. Most leaders speak on a platform of ignorance. The purpose of the church is to feed clothe inspire, etc., Not to judge or condemn. Not to mention isolate. Only in death will we really know. Until then stop reading into specific lines in the bible, and completley taking out of context. Self rightious ideas and the inabilitly to open our minds and hearts will continue to separate and and completely isolate us all from each other.

you forgot that God gives people a chanch to repent of their sins and homosexuality is a sin because it tsn't love it is lust ROMANS 1:27 SAYS THEY BURNED IN THERE LUST ONE FOR ANOTHER MEN WITH MEN. I THINK WE THROW AROUND THE WORD LOVE AND USE IT TO ENCOMPASS SIN AND THINK SOMEHOW IT'S OK. MAN'S LAWS MIGHT SAY IT IS OK BUT GOD'S LAW IS HIGHER THAN MAN'S LAW AND HE SAYS IT'S NOT OK. AS I WAS SAYING GOD GIVES PEOPLE A CHANCE TO REPENT AND WHEN THEY IGNORE THAT CHANCE THEN HE GIVES THEM OVER TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND THERE IS ONLY ONE END FOR THAT PERSON THAT REJECTS GOD'S OFFER AND THAT IS HELL. LET ME JUST SAY THAT GOD DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO PERRISH BECAUSE HE MADE PROVISION FOR PEOPLE NOT TO GO TO HELL WHEN HE SENT JESUS HERE TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR THE SINS THAT THE HOMOSEXUAL CALL LOVE . IF THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS THEN REPENT AND TURN TO JESUS AND FIND THE LOVE THAT THEY ARE DESPERTLY SEARCHING FOR IT WON'T COME FROM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IT WILL COME FROM JESUS. BY THE WAY I DIDN'T SEE IN YOUR ARTICLE ANY MENTION OF SIN OH THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON AND IT WOULDN'T SELL ANY MAGAZINES. SOUNDS LIKE IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY. THANK YOU

Thank God for both of you. To read a debate that pulled no punches and laid out the arguments on both sides was encouraging. I know where I stand - but it is good to here the other opinion laid down clearly. Listening to thers is never weakness, faith is never increased through ignorance.
Sad that some repondents can't manage to allow the same respect to the opposing view that the two ministers did.
We would all be better if we listened more and shouted at each other less.

I see and understand the feelings of both sides. These two men have strong values and beliefs that they hold strong to and I admire them for that. I have values and beliefs as well though I admit that I wish my beliefs were stronger than they are. Though the reasons why I struggle with my beliefs is because of issues such as this. All in all I believe that as Christian we are to recognize that something is a sin so that we don't commit it ourselves but we are not to judge others for the sin that they commit. We are to be loving and accepting of all people so that we are able to witness to them simple by them observing the way we live. Even though we can recognize sin we still commit sin ourselves. Every person does no matter how religious, faithful or good a person is. Not allowing same sex marriage is judging. Judging is left up to Jesus and God not to us.

The problem is that this article does not go far enough. If you research it, mankind according to the Bible is about 6,000 years old. Possible, if that is what you believe. Forget fossel history, we have recorded history of about 6,000 years or so. The first religions were pagan by definition. the people worshiped many gods. the first monothestic religion was Judaism. It also taught sex was only to be in a marriage. Moses received the laws from God around 1313 BC and this was when he wrote Leviticus which is mostly about diatary laws and other practices to be a good or moral Jew. Jesus came approximately around the year 1, give or take a few years. He did not preach until he was in his 30???s. We had same sex marriages, called marriages in Rome since before the birth of Jesus and it was not until the Christian church put pressure on the Roman emperors to outlaw it in 342 AD that it was banned. Mostly as a political tool to use against his emenies despite the fact that he had a male lover. Leviticus and the Bible proscribes death for divorce, adultery, a woman not being a virgin on her marriage night, cursing God???s name, cursing your parents and lots of other things. When religious leaders advocate marriage according to traditional religious values they know not from whence they speak. Ptostetants are less than 500 years old. Roman Catholics are just less than 2,000 years old, Judaism is the oldest allpowerful one God religion and Paganism is at least 2,000 years older, perhaps more. If they want traditional religious values, they mean their idea of traditional. Tradidional marriage included same sex marriages and before Judaism included worshiping fertility and all fertility Gods. It was not until the Protestant Reformation in 1517 (October 31,)that the state even got involved in certifying marriages. It was later before the Roman Catholic church even required married men and women to live together. these religious people just don???t have the slighest idea what they are speaking about. They are hypocrites, plain and simple and no one has called them into tow for their hypocratical position. I am not against religion, nor organized religion, but they are against gays and against marriage.

Oh foolish martialguy ! The Bible has had a round Earth all the time. Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

AND YOUR DINASOAR COMMENT ?

Paluxy River in Glen Rose Texas. This rapidly flowing river runs through the middle of Dinosaur Valley State Park, famous for its dinosaur tracks. Not as well known is the fact that human tracks have also been found, not only in the same formation, but on the same bedding plane and in some cases overlapping the dinosaur tracks.

Did you say something about IQ and research ? :)

Yes, Dean, I have heard of the Crusades.
I think, however, that you missed my point entirely.
I was agreeing with you, so I'm not sure why you began to attack the comment that I made.
I was merely stating that I don't believe these acts are justifiable by Christians, then or now. I don't believe that the Crusades were what God wanted, nor were the witch-burnings or slavery. I don't believe God approves of "homophobia" either.

I'd appreciate it if you would read my comments more thoroughly before discrediting me. I'm a bit hurt.
Thanks.
I prayed for you last night!

Dean says Atheists and homosexuals are the reason America is free ? WOW ! the scriptures get more and more real each time i read one of Deans posts.

2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age (satan) has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Lets make this easy Dean, Where in the Bible does GOD condone slavery? The scripture you quoted was for Christians who were slaves. In other words, what ever your situation praise GOD.
Here is what GOD thinks of slavery 1st timothy 1:10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine. no one can comment on all your copy paste yet this is an example how you twist. Do you have the Guts to answer ? Where in the Bible does GOD condone slavery? Oh, and let me get this straight form your comments below. A homosexual does something good so we should embrace sodomy ? WOW Dean ! thats warped and scary.

In one of my last postings, I wrote: "If it weren't for us dissidents (atheists and others), we'd still be living under British rule..."
In fact, if it weren't for one particular "Sodomite," General von Steuben, America would not BE. We'd now be an overseas British colony ruled today by Queen Elisabeth! Benjamin Franklin tried to convince the Prussian military genius to help America's bedraggled militia at Valley Forge, but was initially turned down. Only after von Steuben received word in 1777 that he was under investigation for having committed same-sex acts did he decide to join George Washington at Valley Forge. In other words, if he hadn't fled persecution in Prussia, history would have taken a totally different course, and George Washington would have probably ended up hanged as a traitor to His Majesty King George II. Many historians consider von Steuben to be the 2nd-most-indispensable hero of the American Revolution after Washington. In fact, Von Steuben's ideas and techniques remained the foundation of the U.S. military for 150 years.
As Randy Shilts noted in "Conduct Unbecoming: Gays and Lesbians in the U.S. Military," "The United States might never have become a nation ??? were it not for the services of one particular gay general in the first difficult years of the American Revolution. ... The army desperately needed training, and in Paris, Benjamin Franklin plotted to supply the one man he believed could save them: Baron Frederich Wilhelm Ludolf Gerhard Augustin von Steuben, one of Europe's leading prodigies. ??? Benjamin Franklin was convinced that the Prussian penchant for order and discipline was precisely what the American forces needed if they were to prevail in their uphill fight against the well-trained British army. ... In 1783, General Washington's last official act as Commander in Chief of the Continental Army was to write a letter thanking Steuben [who, by the way, spoke no English]."
"Altho' I have taken frequent Opportunities both in public and private, of Acknowledging your Zeal, Attention and Abilities in performing the duties of your Office: yet, I wish, to make use of this last Moment of my public life to Signify in the strongest terms, my entire Approbation of your Conduct, and to express my Sense of the Obligations the public is under to you for your faithful, and Meritorious Services... This is the last letter I shall ever write, while I continue in the Service of my Country---the hour of my Resignation is fixed at twelve this day---after which I shall become a private Citizen on the Banks of the Potomack, where I shall be glad to embrace you, and testify the great Esteem and Consideration, with which I am My Dear Baron Your most Obedt. And Affectn. Go. Washington."
As Colonel Hamilton later wrote, ''Tis unquestionably to his efforts we are indebted for the introduction of discipline in the Army.'"
This is what gay pride is all about.

The "cruel acts ... committed by sinful men in the name of Christianity" weren't "cruel" in the eyes of those who perpetrated them, but were regarded as a legitimate "deterrent" to the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah by "God"-fearing fools who took "His Word" literally. Thus, in the minds of all those slavery-supporters and witch- and Sodomite-burners of the past, and the gay-bashers and religious opponents of equal rights for gay men and women of today, what they are doing is "all right". THAT is the main reason why religious fundamentalists, as time-proven enemies of all social progress, science, democratic values, and all liberation philosophies that go against their narrow-minded dogma, must be stopped.

Oh, so your "God" condoned slavery for African-Americans' "own good," so that the "sin" of their liberation from bondage and the resultant disempowerment of slaveholders might not be "spread," i.e. serve as an example to other oppressed peoples longing for freedom from tyranny? If it weren't for us dissidents (atheists and others), we'd still be living under British rule, have our own slaves, Barack Obama would not be President, and gay men and lesbians would still be hanging from trees, or burning at stakes, depending on your "generosity" of the moment.
"I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" I say, quoting one of America's greatest 18th-c. revolutionaries, Patrick Henry. I will fight threats, as you most certainly pose, to our freedom until my last dying breath.
It's symptomatic, like an invisible thread running through the course of the past 2000 years. Religious fundamentalists have ALWAYS blamed the victims (!!!!!!!!) of their cruelty by turning around and citing "God's Word" after slaughtering them. It's infuriating having to deal with such dangerous medieval-minded whackos like you in this supposedly modern age of computers and unmanned flights to Mars.
Get your genocidal religion out of our laws, go pray in a closet, as your Scriptures tell you to do, or just go fly a kite.

Deans Logic ? Dean says, Atheists and Homosexuals have committed horrible crimes so i dont want to be part of that group. Dean, we all know many cruel acts have been committed by sinful men in the name of Christianity. We also know GOD and his Son Jesus Christ did not condone these. When GOD did condone acts you may believe are cruel it was always so sin would not spread. Why is it that you wont use your own Logic on your self ?