The Good Book and Gay Marriage

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  • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 12/16/2008 11:01:06 PM

    Even in industry he term marriage refers to putting male and female parts together. If you try to put two male parts together it won't work and same if you try to install 2 female parts. the point is the definition of marriage has been decided even in industry. Just call it something else and quit being so juvenile about it. Homosexual relationships are not the same as heterosexual relationships no matter how you slice it up so why are you so determined to make it the same. You glorify being different so be different and call it something else with the same disadvantages. When you no longer like each other make it just as hard and expensive to dissolve it.

  • Posted By: JayClayton @ 12/16/2008 10:17:06 PM

    In reponse to Dr. J's comment: 1 Cor 6, in the original Greek, uses the word "malakos," and "arsenokoites" which are NOT best translated as "homosexuals." In any case, they are exclusively references to males, leaving lesbians out of the picture entirely. (See the book "Thou Shalt Not Love" for further explanation)

    • Posted By: Dr"J" @ 12/16/2008 10:52:32 PM

      You are correct in the right Greek words. However the NT uses arsenokoit??s just a few times to denote one who engages in self destructive behavior that occurs when a man is engaged in sexual distortion with another man. But based on some of the comments read so far, the Bible is less then credible compared to their own thinking and basis for what is true. What is the truth? Who gets to determine what the objective basis for truh is? This relativistic way of seeing life is why "all hell is breaking lose" in our culture. No standard, outside of meager opinions, has opened a floodgate of vile behavior by religious people as well to do just about anything in our day of supposed "evolutionary ascension."

  • Posted By: Big Truth @ 12/16/2008 10:48:00 PM

    I am so tired of these southern baptists and others like them preaching their version of the bible. And this baptist in question ''Mr. Duke'' has the unmitigated gall to say he thinks the american public is not ready for gay marriage. Who Gives A Damn what Mr. Duke says.. The so called majority was only 4 points bought and paid for by religious groups, which will dissolve into nothing in a short time. I don't know what god you southern baptists have, But my god is a loving god and he does'nt Discriminate. God loves everybody equally.. ''The Supreme Court allready gave the Gay people the right to marry. In the '' final analysis'' it is what the Supreme Court says.. Not the religious bigots..

  • Posted By: Goalrunner @ 12/16/2008 10:47:26 PM

    It seems that the definition of marriage is at the center of this debate. The Church and the Government are only two distinct social organizations that recognize marriage. The definition from the Church is between a man and a woman and supported by the Government with legal privileges.
    If the Gay community wants the benefit of legal privileges associated with marriage then ask the Government to grant civil unions to homosexuals with similar legal privilege as folks who are married (man and woman). Changing the definition of marriage within the Church is a waste of time because of the overwhelming support that defines a marriage between a man and a woman.
    Keep it civil ??? and the Gay community might stand a better chance of national support.

  • Posted By: BoGilles @ 12/16/2008 10:46:14 PM

    no heaven new earth : What a profound statement.
    The Bible talks about you in : Psalm 14:1 "THE FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

  • Posted By: seti2008 @ 12/16/2008 10:32:52 PM

    bob_hall27, the Bible say thou shall not lie with a man as thou lies with a woman. To me that means, don't be bisexual.

    • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 12/16/2008 10:40:05 PM

      I can't help it if you can't understand a fairly easy statement

  • Posted By: 4gvn @ 12/16/2008 5:38:56 PM

    As with any society that loses its moral compass the final conflict becomes a survival issue of who will be left standing. It will not matter to the one who is blind as to the survival of or preservation of the human race, only the self justification of a non procreating life style that because of desire becomes oblivious to the unravelling of the very existence of mankind. This will lead to a complete collapse of Order of Man.

    • Posted By: scytherius @ 12/16/2008 10:39:37 PM

      As long as it isn't the religious, the Christains, etc that are left standing, then the world may yet survive.

  • Posted By: wwardlaw0605 @ 12/16/2008 5:40:01 PM

    The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. that's what this article is about... since Lisa Miller was incapable of presenting accurate information they posted a debate between two religious leaders. one who takes the Bible and makes it say what he wants to fit his opinions and the other who takes the Bible and makes his opinions fit what it says. the Bible is specific about homosexuality and it is saddening that there are 'Christians' who believe that it is ok, along with other things out there! like abortion... Duke presented a much better argument and in the end, God will judge all of us. This country was founded by men who believed this and they sought to start a country that would uphold these Christian values and beliefs. it is terrifying to think how far we have come from that and where we will end up before God passes judgment on this great nation.

  • Posted By: lebloom @ 12/16/2008 9:40:32 PM

    Marriage is ONLY between a MAN and WOMAN, period. Any other way is not marriage. You know it and I know it......

    • Posted By: scytherius @ 12/16/2008 10:38:01 PM

      Only in the world of the pea brain.

  • Posted By: seti2008 @ 12/16/2008 10:31:39 PM

    God will not be judge me by the sins of my brothers, but God will judge me by how I treat my brothers.

  • Posted By: scytherius @ 12/16/2008 10:34:09 PM

    People who actually believe the Bible are utterly clueless as to it's history, translations, mistakes in translation, additions and subtractions for personal agendas, etc. It is a fraud and a joke. Every single one of the stories therein pre-date it by, often, thousands of years. And it has been the source of nothing but death and destruction for the human race. Utter horror and idiocy.

  • Posted By: Faithful-Liberal @ 12/16/2008 10:32:32 PM

    If God cared so much about homosexual behavior, don't you think he would have made it a commandment? I mean, if you accept God as your Savior and believe He is the reason for life on Earth and the Bible is His word, then part of that faith is the belief that God is omnipotent. As such, wouldn???t He have seen this coming and dealt with it appropriately? After all, God saw fit to speak clearly on murder, theft, the relationship between children and parents and adultery, among others. All of these actions lead to a breakdown in the fabric of our society. But as said by Jesus (Matthew 22) the greatest of the commandments are, first, to love God above all others and, second, to love thy neighbor as you love yourself. Where???s the love? Allow God to judge (as he is the only one qualified and if He sees fit to do so) and let others lead their lives in the manner they see fit???.and give them the rights and respect you hold so dear to yourself.

  • Posted By: no heaven new earth @ 12/16/2008 10:29:41 PM

    The Bible is wrong. There is no GOD. Therefore the bible is not the word of God. Stop this mystical nonsense.

  • Posted By: lakelawyer @ 12/16/2008 9:23:17 PM

    Polygamy banned because Christrians found it barbaric??? Christians find gay marriage barbaric??? I have been Christian for 40 years and I think polygamy is untenable because in society today it does not provide for the nurishment of the soul of the women so involved, therefore not about love but control. I can't imagine gay marriage as barbaric. That is kind of asanine. Barbaric societies often persecuted gays. Democratic societies which encourage self, therefore encouraging individual relationship with God are by definition not barbaric.

    • Posted By: timstertim @ 12/16/2008 9:29:55 PM

      The republican platform of 1856 sought to get rid of those "twin relics of barbarism" polygamy and slavery. So yes, Christians did find it barbaric.

      • Posted By: lakelawyer @ 12/16/2008 10:00:17 PM

        what??? are republicans inherently Christian? I beleive both those things are incredibly noble, but know proof of anything Christian. I quit. Its like aruging with a turnip.

        • Posted By: timstertim @ 12/16/2008 10:18:15 PM

          The Morrill anti-bigamy act, the first piece of anti-polygamy legislature, was proposed by Senator Morrill, a Christian and a republican. Do some research. You are way out of your realm here. He proposed it based solely on Christian principles.

  • Posted By: Sarasota @ 12/16/2008 10:06:25 PM

    I don't understand why everyone is in such a huff over the Bible and gay marriage.
    First of all, the men who wrote the Bible, lived hundreds of yrs after JC walked the earth, which means they put their own spin on stories which were handed down to them.
    Now, if everyone were really a Christian like they claim to be, then why are they judging someone else's lifestyle?
    Secondly, if God is perfect, then how can HE create something imperfect?????? It is just not logical.
    Which means everyone is perfect,because we were made in His image and likeness.
    Thirdly, why does anyone care what couples do behind closed doors??? Don't sit in judgement people. It is not Christian to do that.
    Fourthly,
    If hetersexual couples were living together and one of them were sick and had to go into the hospital, then the healthy partner might not even get to see their loved one if the sick partner's family disliked the healthy partner.
    Same holds true with dying. If a hetersexual couple were not married and one of them dies, then the family member of the deceased has all the right to say what type of funeral arrangements, and who gets what as far as property/assets are concerned.

    • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 12/16/2008 10:13:21 PM

      there you go call it a partnership then

    • Posted By: Feedbackdude @ 12/16/2008 10:10:06 PM

      Here Here

  • Posted By: popse1 @ 12/16/2008 10:10:22 PM

    In 1998, the World Council of Churches meeting faced three hot-button gender related issues. The Orthodox Christians were very unhappy about the ordination of women and women having leadership roles in the World Council. African Christians were horrified that the possibility of ordaining gays and lesbians was even being considered in some American churches. American Christians were not at all happy that some African Christians are still practicing polygamy, as the Old Testament heroes, from Abraham to Solomon did!

  • Posted By: seti2008 @ 12/16/2008 6:49:50 PM

    For a long time, the Bible was used as justification for slavery. I don't have too many complaints about people who really and truly believe in the Bible. I have lots of trouble with cafeteria religion.When people pick and choose that is what they are doing. Many people are using using the Bible right now to justify their bigotry.

    By the way, I'm African American and gay. Just because some African American bigots are out there claiming that gay marriages, which were civil ceremonies, is not a civil rights issue, doesn't make it not one. They see it as not a civil rights issue so that they can more easily justify their bigotry.

    In any case, marriage is, and always has been, an evolving institution. Before Eve, Adam's wife was Lilith, but she wouldn't obey him and was tossed out of the Garden. People used to marry for convenience. Marriages that are based on love, first and foremost, are rather recent. Be fruitful and multiply was a command that was made when the earth's population was just 10 mil and people were valuable resource. Homosexuality is nature's birth control. Everything that's needed for survival is found in nature and birth control is needed for survival.

    • Posted By: MostlyHarmless @ 12/16/2008 7:16:30 PM

      And where in the Bible do we read about Lilith?

      • Posted By: joegeeusa @ 12/16/2008 8:05:18 PM

        Her story would be in the Bible if it hadn't been so heavily "edited" by the directive of the popes of the Catholic Church in the early centuries following Christ's death. http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS291US305&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bible+edited+by+the+catholic+church

        -Joe

        • Posted By: gabber @ 12/16/2008 9:14:27 PM

          The Catholic church had nothing to do with editing the texts that people of Jewish faith use in the creation story when they refer to Eve.

          • Posted By: joegeeusa @ 12/16/2008 9:35:32 PM

            Quite true, and as Christians, the New Testament is our covenant, which the Catholic Church edited.

            -Joe

            • Posted By: gabber @ 12/16/2008 9:52:10 PM

              The catholic bible perhaps, but many translations today use texts that predate the catholic church.

              • Posted By: joegeeusa @ 12/16/2008 10:08:19 PM

                There are the Apocrypha. http://www.interfaith.org/christianity/apocrypha/

                -Joe

          • Posted By: joegeeusa @ 12/16/2008 9:36:46 PM

            See http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS291US305&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=lilith+and+judaism

            • Posted By: gabber @ 12/16/2008 9:44:26 PM

              Hebrew word Chavvah - definition - Eve = "life" or "living"
              the first woman, wife of Adam

              • Posted By: joegeeusa @ 12/16/2008 9:51:45 PM

                I stand corrected. :)

                You are correct in your above post regarding the editing of the Jewish texts. As far as I know the oldest copies of the books of the Torah agree with the modern English translations of Genesis.

                -Joe

  • Posted By: Dr"J" @ 12/16/2008 10:07:03 PM

    The I Corinthians 6 passage list homosexuality as one of many sins that stand in utter defiance to God's whole and healthy way of living. God's proper judgment will not be thwarted by emotion or circumstance or by any sin. The Romans 1 passage, while discussing the downward spiral of suppressing God's truth, mentions homosexual behavior as one sign of spiritual deteriation that can also be seen in the very "religious" (Rom. 2) who need to embrace repentance. Nature itself reveals the utter nonsense of believing that homosexuality is appropriate and advancing for humanity. Comparing the place of homosexuals to the struggle for black freedom is misquided and is an emotionally opportunistic way of using the black man all over again for the homosexual "cause." Dr. "J"

  • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 12/16/2008 10:06:43 PM

    Amendment ten says: the powers not delegated to the united states by the constitution nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. --there is nothing in the constitution about marriage period this is left to the states and the people and the people have spoken. All of the liberals out there think it is so great to say that we live in a democracy yet when democracy goes through its motions you get upset. there is another thing in the constitution also in article 4 section 4: the united states shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government. --do you notice it does not say a democracy the reason is in a republic every persons rights are equally preserved in a democracy the minority will always lose rights. So keep on saying we are in a democracy it does not make it anymore true. the fact of the matter is we live in a constitutional republic and if we lived by the constitution there would be no gay marriage dispute and that is a guarantee.

  • Posted By: Feedbackdude @ 12/16/2008 10:04:31 PM

    I dont believe in god there is absoultly no proof that he/she exists besides if there really was a higher being why the helll would they care about if you where gay or not im not gay im disgusted by gays if they actually do it but who am i to judge some of my best friends are gays now im not saying they shouldnt be allowed to marry im just saying give them a new word because marriage is over 700 years old and the meaning is the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc
    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage
    personally i just dont care its not a big deal just make a new word but stop using the excuse that its pyscological because it has never been proven which is why they are able to that it is but its also just as likely that you choose to be a gay or lesbians besides the bible hasnt been proven yet

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