The Good Book and Gay Marriage

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  • Posted By: wwardlaw0605 @ 12/16/2008 5:37:46 PM

    This is ridiculous, The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. that's what this article is about... since Lisa Miller was incapable of presenting accurate information they posted a debate between two religious leaders. one who takes the Bible and makes it say what he wants to fit his opinions and the other who takes the Bible and makes his opinions fit what it says. the Bible is specific about homosexuality and it is saddening that there are 'Christians' who believe that it is ok, along with other things out there! like abortion... Duke presented a much better argument and in the end, God will judge all of us. This country was founded by men who believed this and they sought to start a country that would uphold these Christian values and beliefs. it is terrifying to think how far we have come from that and where we will end up before God passes judgment on this great nation.

  • Posted By: TKOGrady @ 12/16/2008 5:37:06 PM

    Why do I feel like theologians are missing the most obvious points in this debate? God had an opportunity to speak directly to man in providing the 10 Commandments - none of which address homosexuality. And these are, to my knowledge, the only words that came directly from God - the rest is the work of man (scribes, Pharisees, etc.). Nor, do I believe, did Christ ever directly address the issue of homosexuality. The 10 Commandments do address things which we routinely ignore, such as failing to keep holy the Sabbath (by working and shopping on the Sabbath), getting divorced and failing to honor our spouses, taking the Lord's name in vain, etc. But I don't see religious conservatives trying to legislate that behavior and I have to ask why they point to recesses of the Bible that address things like the kosher laws and the rules for making proper sacrifices to justify their contempt for gays?

  • Posted By: TKOGrady @ 12/16/2008 5:36:04 PM

    Why do I feel like theologians are missing the most obvious points in this debate? God had an opportunity to speak directly to man in providing the 10 Commandments - none of which address homosexuality. And these are, to my knowledge, the only words that came directly from God - the rest is the work of man (scribes, Pharisees, etc.). Nor, do I believe, did Christ ever directly address the issue of homosexuality. The 10 Commandments do address things which we routinely ignore, such as failing to keep holy the Sabbath (by working and shopping on the Sabbath), getting divorced and failing to honor our spouses, taking the Lord's name in vain, etc. But I don't see religious conservatives trying to legislate that behavior and I have to ask why they point to recesses of the Bible that address things like the kosher laws and the rules for making proper sacrifices to justify their contempt for gays?

  • Posted By: toddinpa @ 12/16/2008 5:31:29 PM

    Christ would have loved homosexuals as much as he loved all the other sinners he encountered every day. He would also have taught them at the same time that they were sinners and that homosexuality is a sin. Christ came to die for all of us sinners, homosexuals and heterosexuals alike, but he also condemned the sin he saves us from. That is the difference about what is being debated here. Sin is sin. Forgiveness is given to sinners.

  • Posted By: Christ Lives @ 12/16/2008 5:28:15 PM

    To Mr. Wylie-Kellerman: Sir do you not know that the bible was given for instruction to address and prevent the prevalence of sin from continuing. If you are saying that the bible makes it OK for people to participate in same-sex marriage then you are saying that the GOD who inspired the writting of the Bible is not Holy. This means that GOD called gay and lesbian sexuall acts an abomination to himself, the same as sex acts with an animal making the person or persons unclean and not fit to be in his presence. It is a direct violation of the first example of a marriage which GOD himself conducted when he brought Eve (a woman) to Adam (a man). And its true Jesus accepted the people but not their sin.

  • Posted By: GAREY1967 @ 12/16/2008 3:20:20 PM

    Having a discussion about this is pointless. Wylie-Kellerman uses only partial to no biblical argument other than "oh it's not like that." How ridiculous. Not only does the Old Testament say it's wrong but in the New Testament Romans 1 is clear. That is New Testament doctrine, and if one is a true Christian believing the Bible as God's word, then one of the later texts is clear that homosexuality is not permitted.
    Eating pork and sodomy are clearly different things. Peter's vision of accepting the Gentiles and the new freedom given to believers upon Christ's sacrifice is very different than say...a sudden allowance of murder. Christians do not believe murder is cool just because of Christ's sacrifice. We simply believe that it is forgivable, just as homosexuality.
    As in dealing with the multitudes of people in His ministry - Mary Magdalene is a great example - he forgives. Yup, prostitution is not allowable, but forgivable. The person though, is required to turn away from that sin and move on as a believer.
    The argument comparing gay and slaves does not hold water. The American legal code - Constitution - make slavery illegal so it must be held as illegal by Christians since Jesus and Paul tell us to obey the law of the land. Anyone who reads the Bible clearly sees that there is no law against slavery. Philemon is a prefect example. Paul (God if we believe that the scripture is "God breathed") was clear in the treatment of slaves, not condemning slavery. Perfect chance but still didn't. Slavery is not prohibitive, just not the way that we as Americans want it. There is no law mandating we have slaves either so this is simply a matter of human choice. We choose no - rightly so.
    In short, the Old Testament and the New Testament both are clear, homosexuality is not allowed. The sin is not accepted, but the person is. God accepts all sinners, but they must repent.

    • Posted By: MarioAndre @ 12/16/2008 5:24:58 PM

      Since I am short on time i would just like to endorse what GAREY1967 has replied @ 3:20:20. I am not gay but i know that just as God has given me the power to overcome an eight heroin addiction, by submitting to His word and authority so can a lesbian or homosexual break the bondage of their sin. My love and support goes out to all who live in bondage.

  • Posted By: 159058 @ 12/16/2008 5:22:39 PM

    1-Evolution is accepted by the Roman Catholic church as the way life formed on the planet.
    2-The Bible NEVER says gay marriage is unacceptible.
    3-Everyone should have the same rights to live as misserably as possible. Everyone should be able to marry.

  • Posted By: Wroughton @ 12/16/2008 5:22:29 PM



    In an attempt to diminish respect for biblical moral teachings, the article advocating gay marriage said: "The Bible endorsees slavery". However, the writer failed to tells where. The existence of slavery is acknowledged in many places, but that certainly is not an endorsement. A major portion of Exodus is the story of God helping the Israelites escape from slavery. Freedom from slavery is obviously what is being endorsed!

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  • Posted By: BLC0708 @ 12/16/2008 5:17:23 PM

    It is pathetic that even in obvious intelligence, things such as "they should have to prove they have the right" can be spoken about a human being. They are humans...therefore they have the right. Was it fair that blacks had to fight so hard to get the rights they deserved? No, it was not fair, and anyone looking back now call it a "dark period" in American history, referring to the prejudice and racism that America participated in. This too will be seen as a "dark period" because America is actually forcing yet another group of people to prove that they are just as human as another. Pathetic...

  • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 12/16/2008 5:10:24 PM

    gawill1234- I think your logic is flawed. A consistent set of rules, while a good idea, the fact is that standards change. In the 1950s what was a big issue at school? Running down the hall or smoking? What is it now? Kids have killed each other. A consistent set of rules would constatly just see law after law. We would have so many laws, there would be no way we could give everyone the freedom they want and keep consistent rules.

  • Posted By: Kelsieb @ 12/16/2008 4:35:07 PM

    "No one is born Gay, it is an acquired taste." Really, Bobby? How would you know that, are you gay? I guess I acquired my taste while a 7 year old in a straight Catholic family, then, because that's the age I can remember it starting. What's funny is that I can't remember any of those same-sex sex partners I must have had before the age of 7, according to you. Am I senile?

    • Posted By: BobbyNY @ 12/16/2008 4:41:50 PM

      Arrested development...read my reply below.

  • Posted By: 4gvn @ 12/16/2008 5:01:59 PM

    Sodom and Gomorrah was not just folk lore, the area is still uninhabital today. We need to revisit who Adam and Eve were they became one flesh in the sight of God, procreating as was and still is God's will to this day.

  • Posted By: ftorres0 @ 12/16/2008 4:54:55 PM

    god is not coming down to this earth personaly to tell each person who believes that homosexuality is wrong,but the bible sayas it is wrong. so its the persons personal viewpoint against the almighty word.one thing is sure ,and that is that people who lead a life of homosexeality, and those who support this belief will finally or later will have to render to the almighty god jehovah.

  • Posted By: MarioAndre @ 12/16/2008 4:47:22 PM

    I am happy with the response Duke offers to Wylie-Kellerman in regards to his belief that God accpets the sin of homosexuality. The Living Word is alive and able to transform the sinner this is true. For the sinner to transform the Living Word to meet his/her lifestyle is to crucfy Christ all over agian. Simply put we are to love the sinner but hate the sin. Although i haven't finished the entire article I hope attention is paid to Romans 1:18-32

    • Posted By: BobbyNY @ 12/16/2008 4:54:41 PM

      Love the sinner, hate the sin. That's what it's all about. I do love all humanity, even we disagree.

  • Posted By: cagan55 @ 12/16/2008 4:54:31 PM

    for bible and for Quran gay marriage is not approved.So i think we should obey the rule's of the Holy Books.

  • Posted By: MarioAndre @ 12/16/2008 4:54:26 PM

    In lamens terms-we are to love the sinner but hate the sin. It seems to me that Wylie-Kellerman issue is not so much of not knowing what the bible is saying but moreso letting the Living Word speak all on it's own. I would be anxious to hear what Wyli-Kellermans's response is to Romans 1:27

  • Posted By: 4gvn @ 12/16/2008 4:52:32 PM

    Sodom and Gomora were not just folk lore. the area is still uninhabitable.

  • Posted By: como @ 12/16/2008 4:36:21 PM

    I'm tired of hearing people say it's a choice! Ask any gay person. Why don't you go up to a child with Down sydrome and ask if he chose to be that way. I wish i could express how naive or uneducated the person sounds. Is the Earth flat too? To me there is no difference between the two situations. This is why it makes me so angry. I wish it was a choice, cause i would not be gay. My life would have been so much easier.

    • Posted By: BobbyNY @ 12/16/2008 4:49:06 PM

      Como, you still have a choice, just as you chose to reply to this post. Understand that you can love without making love. The downs syndrome referrence you made does not apply to this case, and mentioning a flat earth borders on ridiculous. No I am not gay, my two daughters are doctors, my wife a Nurse and I am an engineer. I still say you have a choice. Civil unions, as you please ...marriage ...no.

  • Posted By: gawill1234 @ 12/16/2008 4:46:34 PM

    The bible is a document that conflicts with itself in many areas. That being the case, why not let gays marry? We are humans, not God. It is therefore, not our place to judge any other human who is not doing harm to our society. Murderers and rapists harm society. So, whether we judge them or not, it is within our rights to protect ourselves by removing them from society. Gays do no harm. Therefore, it is not within our rights to state how they should live their lives. The best thing we can do is create a consistent set of rules for all to use. That includes gays and that includes marriage.

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