My destructive forces are for your protection. My Creative forces are for your Pro-Creation... A man and a woman are just that a creative force for your Pro-creation. It is not my will or intention that a man lay with a man, nor a woman with a woman. I would have created them with this in mind otherwise, however I have not. Anything that is not within my will is sin. I love man I have created him with great love, however I will always hate that which contradicts anything I have established through my own authority. Whether you understand or not, you would be wise to obey. A foolish man questions those things the Lord has decided and set firm by His own will and plan. I have made plain the truth to through the Prophets, Apostles and Holy Ones. Obey me and you and you will find life.
The Good Book and Gay Marriage
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Posted By: searchi @ 12/20/2008 4:40:50 AM
My destructive forces are for your protection. My Creative forces are for your Pro-Creation... A man and a woman are just that a creative force for your Pro-creation. It is not my will or intention that a man lay with a man, nor a woman with a woman. I would have created them with this in mind otherwise, however I have not. Anything that is not within my will is sin. I love man I have created him with great love, however I will always hate that which contradicts anything I have established through my own authority. Whether you understand or not, you would be wise to obey. A foolish man questions those things the Lord has decided and set firm by His own will and plan. I have made plain the truth to through the Prophets, Apostles and Holy Ones. Obey me and you and you will find life.
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Posted By: ML92 @ 12/17/2008 6:56:32 PM
First of all, I would like to preface this comment with the disclaimer that I am a gay teen, so perhaps my views are jaded.
In my lifetime, I have seen people become more and more accepting of gays and lesbians. I have seen my friends come out in a helpful and supportive environment countless times. I have seen parents who understand and relationships that are allowed to flourish. It gives me hope for my future and the futures of people like me.
However, for every person I've seen or heard of having good expiriences, there are two others who have been insulted, forced out onto the street, beaten, or even, (in very extreme cases,) raped. Lives are ruined every day because certain people won't let others be happy as long as it involves something they don't fully understand.
The grounds for their arguments? Their slander? Their hatred? The Bible. I can't understand how a kind and loving god would condone such behavior. Their words and have led to the deaths of countless teens, be it by suicide or outright murder. It's sickening to think of the effects these people are having on my friends, and even, admittedly, myself.
There are rights denied to gay couples because they aren't allowed to be married. This is true. But the real problem, for now at least, is the hate and the discrimination that we face on a daily basis. Allowing gay marriage won't solve this problem, though it's a goal I hope to see achieved in the future. As long as there are still people dying due to the ingrained cultural distaste for the LGBT community, I feel that marriage should be an ideal that comes second.-
Posted By: loveremains @ 12/20/2008 2:09:53 AM
God doesn't condone such behavior. I think the biblical word for people who do such things in the name of Christ "false prophets." look up in a concordance what it has to say about what will happen to them.
true believers of Jesus are called to live at peace with everyone, even those who disagree and even hate them in return.
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Posted By: spooski @ 12/19/2008 1:53:31 PM
I love the homosexual, just as I love the Muslim, the murder, the rapist, and the child abuser. As a pastor I can assure you that all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people are welcomed into my little church in Meadville, Pa. The Bible states all sins are created equally, and your sin is no different than my sins, and all men fall short of the glory of God. The thing that is offered to all people is freedom from sins, and an opportunity to repent and be saved. If you wonder whether your life is right or wrong, read the Bible and pray, God is the only judge. We as Christians are called to hold other Christians accountable, and to accept non-believers as they come. This is in my opinion why Christianity is the leading cause of Athiesm in the US.
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Posted By: smalltowncowgirl @ 12/20/2008 1:45:56 AM
I wish I lived in your area! May God bless you! Finally, truly, a man who at least attempts to ask himself that famous question: What would Jesus do?
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Posted By: True Man @ 12/20/2008 1:28:39 AM
dnendza, I am sure wants to be married to another man or another woman whichever its confused mind wishes it was and then wants to be recognized as and made a couple through marriage. We all know a true marriage is only that between a man and a woman. So far, there are only two states in this country that recognize same sex marriage and actually have OBAMAnated the sanctity of the state of marriage. Scratch what I said about Hawaii and send all the homosexuals to Connecticut and Massachusettes. That's close enough to hell for me!!! Bonnie_Half-Elven, the answers to this do come from the gay community, but those of us who are not gay, have absolutely no interest in being brainwashed by your perverted and delusional choice. The gay community has a never ending row to hoe. Shame of the situation is, from my stand point, homosexuals do have one thing in their favor, our government, with its apathy and complacency to this unfortuante issue, seems to be made up of too many spineless people who are so scared of offending your delicate sensitivities where as personally, I would have all homosexuals exiled to the afore mentioned states. Sincerely, a True Man.
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Posted By: True Man @ 12/20/2008 1:28:21 AM
The Lord made a man and a woman for a reason. Homosexuals cannot procreate. Even animals know to procreate with the opposite sex. Homosexuality is not a condition, it is a choice. It is obviously the wrong choice. A penis was not designed to penetrate an anus and vaginas were designed to be penetrated by a penis for the simple purpose of procreation. Two vaginas cannot create a child. A penis and an anus cannot create a child. Homosexuality is clearly an abomination to the human race and is nothing more than a choice of means for sexual gratification, much like masturbation. Oral sex between a man and a woman is referred to as foreplay. Oral sex between two men or two women cannot be foreplay, but the mainplay and serves no purpose other than sexual gratification. The homosexuals pair up and enter into a relationship that is sure to meet its demise because of the simple fact that in their perversion of humanity the relationship can never be consumated and committed to because of its inability to procreate and this causes a frustration between the two partners that just cannot be overcome. Honestly, how many homosexual couples actually have a relationship that lasts a lifetime? No matter how much effort is put into equal rights for homosexuals, it will never be accepted by true men or true women. The apathy of the general population is the only means by which this will ever be accepted. I for one am a true man and will never under any circumstances or by any means be apathetic or have the complacency required to accept homosexuality as a natural means of sexual gratification. People with homosexual tendencies are only 2% of the population. So why should the other 98% have to accept this abomination to the human race and have this forced upon them? Fact of the matter is, there are just too many apathetic people in that 98% who are willing to simply turn their heads and pretend that this is not an issue. As far as equal rights go, homosexuals will never be equal because they are different and choose to be different. With all this said, this is an OBAMAnation!!! Please notice I only referred to the Lord once before now in an attempt to keep this from being a religious based comment. I simply wanted to put this in terms of humanity. If all men paired up with men only, and all women paired up with women only, the human race would cease to exist in plus or minus 100 yeaars. Now, with that fact out in the open, how can the homosexual community possibly call or refer to themselves as equal? Do we really want the human race to cease to exsist? My personal opinion is that we should evacuate Hawaii and let all homosexuals have one of the most beautiful places on earth and in 2-300 years, homosexuals would cease to exist. Now, I know this is not possible, because here I sit trying to create a perfect answer to a totally imperfect problem that the human race faces.
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Posted By: Bonnie_Half-Elven @ 12/19/2008 11:13:13 PM
Dr. Duke says: "The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission is trying to help Southern Baptists understand the causes of same-sex attraction."
Why turn to a religious organization for the answer to this? The Bible does not say what ???causes??? it.
The answer comes from the gay community, who has something to teach the rest of us if we will only listen.
Mr. Wylie-Kellerman, thank you for expressing my thoughts exactly. I only disagree on one point. After the November elections, I see how much work there is to do, and I'm afraid it will be more than ten years before same sex marriage and equal rights for gays is a nationally accepted idea.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong about that.
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Posted By: Berean @ 12/18/2008 10:33:55 AM
1 Corinthians 2:11-14: "...no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have received the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has feely given us. This is why we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
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Posted By: dnendza @ 12/18/2008 11:00:59 AM
That's right, disqualify religious detractors by saying they can't possibly understand god if they don't accept god. You quote your elders well, but it is still meaningless drivel only blind faith without thought is known to produce. Practice it personally and don't try to influence others with it.
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Posted By: heromommy @ 12/18/2008 11:16:08 AM
You just proved his point. Why should a God you choose to reject, accept you? If you choose not to believe in Him, He in turn will eventually turn His back on you. Remember that when you are eternally seperated from Him in Hell.
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Posted By: dnendza @ 12/18/2008 11:44:45 PM
Therein lies the fallacy of your argument. There is no heaven, no hell, no WORD. Any supreme being worth its salt is not jealous, vindictive or full of retribution. Your stern and joyless forbears invented these concepts to keep you in line and it appears to have worked on a lot of people. I accept there may be a supreme being. I do not accept man's simplistic description of its purpose, pronouncements and intent for my life. I divine that for myself without being encumbered by ancient and superstitious thinking. I do not expect people steeped in faith to agree for they can not deny their rituals and past beliefs as useless. It's just too much for them to bear to admit it was all hogwash and they were narrow-minded enough to fall for it.
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Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 6:13:13 PM
"Any supreme being worth its salt is not jealous, vindictive or full of retribution."
...and this idiotic claim is based on... what, exactly? How could you be so naive as to pretend to have any CLUE what a supreme being should be like? Your argument is essentially this -- If there is a God, he would do things my way. The Christian God doesn't do things my way -- therefore he does not exist.
Why should God, or any supreme being, condescend to do things YOUR way? In so claiming, sir, you make yourself god, and him the created being.
"I do not accept man's simplistic description of its purpose, pronouncements and intent for my life. I divine that for myself..."
Are you saying that you are not "man"? If indeed you are man, why do you accept your own "simplistic description of God's purpose, pronouncements, and intent?" Is this not the same foolishness that you accuse others of?
We do not accept man's created version of God (as you so pathetically claim to do yourself), but rather God's revealed description of Himself.
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Posted By: dnendza @ 12/19/2008 9:22:15 PM
Well, SonOfPaul, that's a pretty presumptive pseudonym for yourself. Your self-aggrandizement aside, I had a difficult time parsing the real meaning of what you wrote. You are obviously a "believer" since you couch your phrases as most of the faithful have on these postings. Get this straight. There is little to suggest that a supreme being exists. No proof, no artifacts, no credible first-hand witnesses. The book that claims to be a word of god is full of contradictions half-truths and just plain wishful thinking. It was written by people who were infatuated with the notion of a god and ideas on how to keep the tribe and other believers in tow. I accept it as metaphor, poetry and some generally good ideas on how to treat others. I do not accept it as a guide or plan for religion or worship.
What I wrote earlier that you seem to go blind when reading is that any god that truly is a god, you know the all-powerful type that can do literally anything, has no need for worship or worry concerning a name taken in vain or whether idols are worshiped. That's the thinking I have come to that indicates all the classic, and we'll call it popular, Christian presentation of god is hogwash. It is hogwash invented by man to control man. Church hierarchy and so-called religious experts and evangelists are generally petty dictators lording over a vaporous and shaky dominion. Yes, I prefer to define a supreme being, if there is one, in my own terms as I find the classic presentation severely lacking.
God did not reveal himself. Here is where your "faith" leads you to make these absurd claims based on no evidence. The Bible is not the evidence you need. There is no evidence that a god has ever revealed anything. It may look good for your faith, but it does not pass even a moderately rigorous test for authenticity in reporting observed events. So try not to spout off about god's revealed description of himself. It is more likely that your god is an ancient visitor from a distant star who messed around with earthlings and then went on to greener pastures. This is more probable than what the bible claims as literal truth.-
Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 10:24:46 PM
"That's a pretty presumptive pseudonym."
Sorry it seemed that way to you. My name is Timothy. It seemed appropriate to me.
"I had a difficult time parsing the real meaning of what you wrote."
Basically that you refuse to bow to the thoughts of men, yet you bow to your own thoughts... and you are a man. That seemed odd and contradictory to me.
"There is little to suggest that a supreme being exists. No proof, no artifacts, no credible first-hand witnesses."
I have met Christ. Perhaps He will come and call on you one day.
"The book that claims to be a word of god is full of contradictions half-truths and just plain wishful thinking."
Could you elaborate? That's quite a claim to stand on with no supporting arguments. You are suggesting that billions of people over the course of thousands of years (including people like Isaac Newton, Martin Luther King JR, and Abraham Lincoln) were idiots. And you are much smarter than them.
"What I wrote earlier that you seem to go blind when reading is that any god that truly is a god, you know the all-powerful type that can do literally anything, has no need for worship or worry concerning a name taken in vain or whether idols are worshiped."
This is not an accurate representation of my God, as He has no need of worship and worries about nothing. However, I won't quibble over semantics. God demands our worship and that we not take His name in vain, etc. I'm reasonably sure that's what you are referring to (correct me if I'm wrong). What is your basis for claiming that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God would not do these things? Do you have any evidence apart from your own little impotent, limited, mortal and tiny inner thoughts to base your claims upon? Surely you don't think that you really and truly know what a God who is so far beyond anything you could possibly comprehend would do, any more than a clam or a snail would be able to determine what a human would do...?
"It is more likely that your god is an ancient visitor from a distant star who messed around with earthlings and then went on to greener pastures."
And your evidence for this is what, exactly...?
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Posted By: BoGilles @ 12/19/2008 7:23:44 PM
sonofpaul,
The Bible is not meant for you. The Bible being the Word of God is meant for those who are searching for the truth. You have to be open minded without all the garbage of the world at large. Humility is the first prerequisite. Without God and His Son, we are nothing but sinners with no way to redeemed ourselves. We have been created for a special purpose that makes us different from animals. We have free will to accept the free gift of salvation from His Son Jesus Christ. Either we accept Him or reject Him. There's no middle ground. The wrong choice is devastating for eternity. Some day we all going to appear before Him that we believe it or not. That day it will be too late to change our choice.-
Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 7:41:27 PM
Bo,
I'm not sure I understand your post. As far as I can tell, it appears as though you are trying to say that I am not humble and therefore the Bible will not speak to me.
If I am correct in understanding your comment, I would truly appreciate further clarification about what you mean exactly -- specifically, where in my posts have I not been completely humble and submissive to the clear Word of God?
If I am not correct, please explain further what you are referring to.
Thanks, and may God bless you richly.
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Posted By: Lisa Sinnett @ 12/19/2008 6:35:54 PM
Fundamentalism is a threat to civilization.
Get out of your neighbor's pants and your neighbor's bedroom.
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Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 7:09:57 PM
Ma'am, you are quoting scripture to justify an unscriptural claim. Why would you rest on an authority you reject? Is this not more foolishness?
The Bible states that God is love (1 John). In reading this statement, you choose to redefine God based on your confused and pop-culture understanding of love. However, it would be far more prudent to redefine your inaccurate understanding of love based on the person of God. God is the one who obliterated Sodom. Christ, the perfect representation of the Father, made a whip of cords and using it, chased the moneychangers out of the temple. These are examples of the Biblical love we are commanded to have. For more on Biblical love, see my slightly more extensive post below, or better yet, open up the Bible. Suffice it to say that love speaks the Truth, even when it is unwelcome.
You stand on nothing but fanciful imaginings, since you admittedly have no fundamental beliefs. You are, and will continue to be, blown about by every wind of doctrine.
But it does not have to be that way -- you can stand firm on the Word of God, rather than falling by your own words, which are no more than sinking sand. Christ is calling -- but will you respond to His message of Truth?
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Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/18/2008 9:40:51 PM
God commands us in scripture to love. This is undeniable. However, the God who commands us to love is also the God who is identified AS LOVE. 1 John teaches that God is love. This God who is love obliterated Sodom. He wiped the earth clean in Noah's flood. His Son, who is His perfect representation, called the Pharisees children of their father the devil. He made a whip of cords and using it, chased the money changers out of the temple. According to the Book of Revelation, God (Love) will send out the four horsemen of the apocalypse to destroy the earth through war and famine, etc. This is love. This is Biblical love. The Bible teaches that if we love our children, we will strike them with a rod when they are foolish. This is the love that we are commanded in scripture to have. Love and Tolerance are nowhere near the same thing.
It is the utmost in homophobia to be so afraid to offend homosexuals that we refuse to speak to them truthfully about the sin that seperates them from their Creator.
And, it is the utmost in racism to equate black skin with evil and abominable behavior. Gay is NOT the new black.
Christ spoke the truth in love, calling the Pharisees whitewashed tombs. We are to speak the truth in love, calling homosexual behavior the sin that it is.
The pro-gay writer indicated that he was not comfortable getting married to a woman because gay people are denied that right. First, gay men are as free to marry women as straight men are. They aren't being denied anything that others are given. However, I wonder if he applies that same vacant logic to the status of murderers. They are denied their freedom. Aren't we supposed to love murderers too? How can we walk around free when murderers are denied that basic right?
I guess in keeping with the pro-gay logic... MURDERERS ARE THE NEW BLACK!
Free the Murderers! I don't want to be free as long as others are being denied their freedom!
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Posted By: unitethefight @ 12/19/2008 4:16:32 PM
"It is the utmost in homophobia to be so afraid to offend homosexuals that we refuse to speak to them truthfully about the sin that seperates them from their Creator."
Your truth is not the truth for everyone. I know many Christian homosexuals who have a close relationship with God. You can easily say that's satan working, but neither can be proven. But your truth is not the law, and you cannot assume it is universal. Homosexuals and their allies hold to their beliefs as staunchly as you do yours. Forcing your beliefs on others and expecting them to be grateful for such salvation is "vacant logic."
Oh, and sure, a gay man could marry a straight woman - though he would not love her nor be attracted to her, and I don't believe that's what marriage is about. And if he has the choice to marry her, he should also have the choice to marry the one he loves - another man. And that would be closer, in my opinion, to a true marriage.-
Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 5:52:54 PM
"If he has the choice to marry her, he should also have the choice to marry the one he loves - another man. And that would be closer, IN MY OPINION, to a true marriage." (emphasis added)
This is exactly the problem. You speak from your own opinion rather from any authoritative source. Yet why should your opinion carry any more weight than any one else's opinion? Why should your opinion matter any more to me or anyone else than, say, my opinion? Or Billy Graham's opinion? Or Adolf Hitler's opinion? We are all people. You have no claim to greater authority than any of the rest of us -- in fact, of the individuals I mentioned, only Adolf Hitler could have rightly made any claim to greater earthly authority than any of the rest of us. Why should anyone care more about your opinion than Hitler's?
There are billions of people in the world, and billions of opinions. However, there is only one Truth. When He speaks, if we don't listen, we will be on the wrong side of His wrath.
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Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 5:44:44 PM
"Oh, and sure, a gay man could marry a straight woman - though he would not love her nor be attracted to her, and I don't believe that's what marriage is about."
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Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 5:41:43 PM
"Forcing your beliefs on others and expecting them to be grateful for such salvation is "vacant logic.""
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Posted By: sonofpaul @ 12/19/2008 5:40:30 PM
You stated that "your truth isn't the truth for everyone". If there is no absolute truth, how can you be ABSOLUTELY sure that my truth isn't true for everyone? You make absolute statements in a failed attempt at undermining the absolute. You can't undermine the absolute by speaking in absolute terms yourself. That's foolishness.
If there is no absolute truth, then you cannot make the absolute statement that my truth is not the truth for everyone. Your argument is utter nonsense and no sane person would agree with you.
What's more, I am not stating something based on my own authority or opinion, but rather based on the authority of Jesus Christ, who is THE TRUTH. What authority do you speak under?
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Posted By: CinemaDude @ 12/19/2008 5:39:43 PM
Those who insist that public policy be based on the teaching (as they see it) can't have it both ways.
The claim is that the bible teaches that marriage is by definition between only a a man and woman, then the bible should also be used to govern the other biblical teaching about marriage, i.e, ???what God has joined together, let no man put asunder??????.clear as a bell, that; no ambiguity at all, yet they conveniently ignore THAT part of the bible admonition about marriage. If we as a secular agree to use the bible???s definition as what should our govern civil law regarding marriage, then the bible???s further definition of the terms of the marriage contract must also be written into the law as well. Divorce needs to be immediately made against the law. In fact, if the straight traditionalists insist on a Constitutional Ammendment making marriage between only a man and a women, then gay advocates should insist that the same Constitutional Amendment define marriage as a life-long contract UNTILL DEATH of that man and woman, just like it say in the bible. Courts should no longer give marriage licenses to anyone who was married before, except in the case of one of the partners dying. Other than that, divorce would be illegal. You can bet the proponents of bible defining the law will quickly soft peddle all bible rhetoric if the bible starts to REALLY be taken literally and the law takes away that convenient little marriage get-out-of-jail clause. I say, uphold family values???.outlaw the biggest threat to marriage and the family -- divorce.
Frankie A.
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Posted By: CinemaDude @ 12/19/2008 5:39:14 PM
Those who insist that public policy be based on the teaching (as they see it) can't have it both ways.
The claim is that the bible teaches that marriage is by definition between only a a man and woman, then the bible should also be used to govern the other biblical teaching about marriage, i.e, ???what God has joined together, let no man put asunder??????.clear as a bell, that; no ambiguity at all, yet they conveniently ignore THAT part of the bible admonition about marriage. If we as a secular agree to use the bible???s definition as what should our govern civil law regarding marriage, then the bible???s further definition of the terms of the marriage contract must also be written into the law as well. Divorce needs to be immediately made against the law. In fact, if the straight traditionalists insist on a Constitutional Ammendment making marriage between only a man and a women, then gay advocates should insist that the same Constitutional Amendment define marriage as a life-long contract UNTILL DEATH of that man and woman, just like it say in the bible. Courts should no longer give marriage licenses to anyone who was married before, except in the case of one of the partners dying. Other than that, divorce would be illegal. You can bet the proponents of bible defining the law will quickly soft peddle all bible rhetoric if the bible starts to REALLY be taken literally and the law takes away that convenient little marriage get-out-of-jail clause. I say, uphold family values???.outlaw the biggest threat to marriage and the family -- divorce.
Frankie A.
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Posted By: CinemaDude @ 12/19/2008 5:37:40 PM
Those who insist that public policy be based on the teaching (as they see it) can't have it both ways.
The claim is that the bible teaches that marriage is by definition between only a a man and woman, then the bible should also be used to govern the other biblical teaching about marriage, i.e, ???what God has joined together, let no man put asunder??????.clear as a bell, that; no ambiguity at all, yet they conveniently ignore THAT part of the bible admonition about marriage. If we as a secular agree to use the bible???s definition as what should our govern civil law regarding marriage, then the bible???s further definition of the terms of the marriage contract must also be written into the law as well. Divorce needs to be immediately made against the law. In fact, if the straight traditionalists insist on a Constitutional Ammendment making marriage between only a man and a women, then gay advocates should insist that the same Constitutional Amendment define marriage as a life-long contract UNTILL DEATH of that man and woman, just like it say in the bible. Courts should no longer give marriage licenses to anyone who was married before, except in the case of one of the partners dying. Other than that, divorce would be illegal. You can bet the proponents of bible defining the law will quickly soft peddle all bible rhetoric if the bible starts to REALLY be taken literally and the law takes away that convenient little marriage get-out-of-jail clause. I say, uphold family values???.outlaw the biggest threat to marriage and the family -- divorce.
Frankie A.
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Posted By: danni_love @ 12/18/2008 6:05:40 PM
I am so sick of people picking and choosing parts of the bible that they want to live by and completely disregarding the parts that apply to their own life. I truly cannot stand ignorant bigots that try to hide behind the bible as a justification for prejudice. Maybe they should actually read the bible instead of thumping it.
1 Corinthians 6:9 originally says nothing about "homosexuality". There were two words in that scripture that have confused scholars for years; malokois and arsenokoitai. Greek scholars think that malaokois probably meant "effeminate call boys." However, they could never find a greek or hebrew meaning for arsenokoitai. So in 1958 someone decided that the word had to mean "homosexuality" and thus added it to the bible.
Jesus and Paul both said in the holiness code that the Leviticus does not pertain to Christian believers. It was a holiness code written over 3000 years ago. That code also prohibits round haircuts, tattoos, working on the Sabbath, wearing garments of mixed fabrics, eating pork or shelfish, getting your fortune told, and even playing with the skin of a pig (football).
Genesis 38:9-10 says "He spilled his seed on the ground...and the thing Onan did displeased the lord: wherefore he slew him also." Masturbation by a man or halting sex before ejaculation as an act of birth control were both punishable by death.
Deuteronomy 22:13-21-If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediatly.
Deuteronomy 22:22-If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the bible commands that both be stoned to death.
Mark 10:1-12-Divorce is strictly forbidden as is the remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
Leviticus 18:19 The bible forbids a married couple from having sex during the woman's period. If they disobey it's punishable by death.
Mark 12:18-27-If a man dies childless, his widow is ORDERED by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
Ezekiel 16:48-49-"This is a sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."
The bible also clearly states that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not the wife. Pologamy is acceptable. Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted in scripture. However, there are strict prohibitions against interracial marriage, birth control, discussing or even naming a sexual organ, and seeing ones parents nude.
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Posted By: unitethefight @ 12/19/2008 4:03:10 PM
Thank you.
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Posted By: spooski @ 12/19/2008 1:55:21 PM
I love the homosexual, just as I love the Muslim, the murder, the rapist, and the child abuser. As a pastor I can assure you that all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people are welcomed into my little church in Meadville, Pa. The Bible states all sins are created equally, and your sin is no different than my sins, and all men fall short of the glory of God. The thing that is offered to all people is freedom from sins, and an opportunity to repent and be saved. If you wonder whether your life is right or wrong, read the Bible and pray, God is the only judge. We as Christians are called to hold other Christians accountable, and to accept non-believers as they come. This is in my opinion why Christianity is the leading cause of Athiesm in the US.
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Posted By: Hope7 @ 12/19/2008 12:03:32 PM
Here is my poem.
WHOM WILL YOU BELIEVE ? BY GL
The teachers will tell you that religion is for the weak minded.
God tells you the weakness of God is stronger than mans strength. I Cor. 1:25
The teachers will tell you to party hardy while you are young.
God says everyone that sins is a slave. John 8:34
The teachers will tell you that it is impossible to do what is right so dont bother trying.
God says without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:6
The teachers will tell you if there is a God then have him show them a sign.
God says that signs will accompany those who believe. Mark 16:17
The teachers say that you need to lose your inhabitions inorder to really live.
God says above all else to guard your hearts and minds. Prov. 4:23
The teachers will try to get you to join their club, saying we all have tried this sin, join us.
God says whosever finds Him finds life. Prov. 8:35
The teachers say if you want to live like royalty then attain the higher knowledge we provide.
God says a persons life does not consist of the abundance of their possessions.Luke 12:15
The teachers say step out of your religious constraints and youll never go back.
God says to return to him with all your heart. Joel 2:12
The teachers say experiment with sexual choices and immorality while you can.
God says homosexuality is wrong and a sin. 1 Cor. 6:9 & 10
The teachers will say dont worry about consequences because there is no God.
God says only a fool says in their heart there is no God.Psalms 14:1
The teachers say let our education liberate you from empty philosophies.
God says there is a way that sounds right but ends in death. Prov. 14:12
The teachers will say that true intellectuals dont acknowledge morals within religious confinement.
God says that the fear of God is just the begining of wisdom. Psalms 111:10
The teachers will tell you that truth and lie are conceptually the same depending on your situation.
God says all lies come from the father of lies. John 8:44
DONT FALL FOR THE LIES
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Posted By: Hope7 @ 12/19/2008 11:49:37 AM
I posted my review of this article by Lisa Miller yesterday and it was posted but today I cant find it so I will ask you to read my story at www.HOPE7.HIGHPOWERSITES.COM and after reading my story go to the section on the left that says...BOOK REVIEWS and go all the way to the bottom review.....it must have hit a nerve because I cant find it today. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Posted By: sfdendon12 @ 12/19/2008 11:30:17 AM
The topic of gay marriage is wildly confusing! Anti gay marriage Christians need to be careful to not have opinions based on homophobia and progay marriage Christians have to follow thier hearts.
I have a suggestion, how about we leave gay people be, allow them to marry, accept them with love and respect, vote for thier rights and ability to marry and stop demonizing them.
It seems to me the only persons involved in this debate who are acting with love and a understanding of christiananity, are the gay people themselves. Has anyone actually considered that gay marriage, gay rights, acceptance of gays may be a path to a better world for all of us.
Think about it, the most kind hearted people on this planet are, at this point in our history , the gay and lesbian community.
Fear based Christianity could learn a great deal about love and compassion from the gay community.
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Posted By: JoyInPhx @ 12/19/2008 8:21:58 AM
Gee Lisa, it looks like the enemy (Satan) got to you. Just like he has gotten to many others. His job is to twist and turn the truth to discourage, defend and defeat the truth and deep down inside we all know the truth. Those of us that have faith and choose to protect and promote the truth will continue. The good news is that whatever Satan does, God will turn it around for the good because after all, he is the creator or all and has already won. The great thing about this is that people around the world will pick up the bible and start reading it; maybe some for the first time, some again after many years of it sitting on thier bookshelves. Some gays and lesbians will pick it up too and begin to read and when they start reading the bible, a most interesting thing happens. The bible, because it is alive and inspired by God, will begin to speak to all who read it. Maybe even you if you ever care to open it. God does not hate people, he hates the sin and will use whatever avenue he needs to help people overcome sin--even you. I will pray for you Lisa and your team that you begin to look deeper into the meaning of truth. I'd hate to think you did this just to make a name for yourself.
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