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  • Posted By: ajka @ 12/24/2008 9:07:46 PM

    Congratulations Arnold ! It requires a lot of courage to make bold and independent decisions. What you are trying to do, makes perfect sense. Consumerism leads to money going to China; whereas infrastruture spending leads to money being circulated among Americans (a little part might ultimatelybe used to buy Chinese goods). For govt. spending, think of some applicaion fee/ recertification fee for the non-status (illegal) immigrants. If they can rent an apartment, admit their kids in schools, get driving licenses, there could be a way to timpose an annual fee on this category while they remain on the list of wait-ins. Consider a $1000 a year a family. This could results in billions a year;for govt spendindg.

  • Posted By: bejman @ 12/23/2008 6:01:39 PM

    An almost conservative answer to the nations bailout.

    There is no doubt that the messiah is going to find
    a way to spend billions in the name of Infrastructure.

    It is possible to make lemonade out of this lemon.

    The obstacles to fast infrastructure progress are
    environment and immenent domain issues. These
    can be avoided as follows.

    The entire Interstate Highway System needs to be
    repaired or replaced during the next ten years.

    As any work is done on the system, they should be
    required to install two things under this right of way.
    An Electrical Transmission Grid and Natural Gas
    Transmission Lines, and between close cities, they
    could build high speed monorail (ie St. Louis to Chicago)

    This Interstate of the 21st Century would attack at
    least five problems.

    Interstate Upgrade - Gas Transmission - Electric Grid-
    Traffic relief- Imported Oil. All are sorely needed.

    It would also allow industry to decide the best ways
    to adapt to new ways of powering transportation.

    As private industry sees the opportunities to profit
    by creating electricity along the grid (ie Solar, Wind,
    Water power, Clean coal), millions of jobs in private
    enterprise would be created. The government could
    pitch in by guarantee of 50% of required bonds.

    The monorail transportation could be U.S./Private
    enterprise. Interstates could be private toll roads.

    These projects would unleash the entrepreneurial
    lions, and take back industry from the government.

  • Posted By: naternine77 @ 12/22/2008 7:07:31 PM

    We need a nationwide high speed rail system...in the past automakers have bought out cities mass transit systems and shut them down, lobbied against mass transit, and upgrades to our nations infrastructure. We are now bailing them out. Come on. We should be using that money as a first step to take our nations transportation system into the 21st century. I feel for the workers and families of the auto industry but we should not be bailing out a industry that has, for years, taken our transportation and environment backwards for the sake of higher profits. Shame on our government for rewarding them with a bailout with my hard earned money when that money could be used for the type of projects that Governor has suggested.

    • Posted By: bejman @ 12/23/2008 5:03:24 PM

      An almost conservative answer to the nations bailout.

      There is no doubt that the messiah is going to find
      a way to spend billions in the name of Infrastructure.

      It is possible to make lemonade out of this lemon.

      The obstacles to fast infrastructure progress are
      environment and immenent domain issues. These
      can be avoided as follows.

      The entire Interstate Highway System needs to be
      repaired or replaced during the next ten years.

      As any work is done on the system, they should be
      required to install two things under this right of way.
      An Electrical Transmission Grid and Natural Gas
      Transmission Lines, and between close cities, they
      could build high speed monorail (ie St. Louis to Chicago)

      This Interstate of the 21st Century would attack at
      least five problems.

      Interstate Upgrade - Gas Transmission - Electric Grid-
      Traffic relief- Imported Oil. All are sorely needed.

      It would also allow industry to decide the best ways
      to adapt to new ways of powering transportation.

      As private industry sees the opportunities to profit
      by creating electricity along the grid (ie Solar, Wind,
      Water power, Clean coal), millions of jobs in private
      enterprise would be created. The government could
      pitch in by guarantee of 50% of required bonds.

      The monorail transportation could be U.S./Private
      enterprise. Interstates could be private toll roads.

      These projects would unleash the entrepreneurial
      lions, and take back industry from the government.

  • Posted By: bejman @ 12/23/2008 5:00:24 PM

    An almost conservative answer to the nations bailout.

    There is no doubt that the messiah is going to find
    a way to spend billions in the name of Infrastructure.

    It is possible to make lemonade out of this lemon.

    The obstacles to fast infrastructure progress are
    environment and immenent domain issues. These
    can be avoided as follows.

    The entire Interstate Highway System needs to be
    repaired or replaced during the next ten years.

    As any work is done on the system, they should be
    required to install two things under this right of way.
    An Electrical Transmission Grid and Natural Gas
    Transmission Lines, and between close cities, they
    could build high speed monorail (ie St. Louis to Chicago)

    This Interstate of the 21st Century would attack at
    least five problems.

    Interstate Upgrade - Gas Transmission - Electric Grid-
    Traffic relief- Imported Oil. All are sorely needed.

    It would also allow industry to decide the best ways
    to adapt to new ways of powering transportation.

    As private industry sees the opportunities to profit
    by creating electricity along the grid (ie Solar, Wind,
    Water power, Clean coal), millions of jobs in private
    enterprise would be created. The government could
    pitch in by guarantee of 50% of required bonds.

    The monorail transportation could be U.S./Private
    enterprise. Interstates could be private toll roads.

    These projects would unleash the entrepreneurial
    lions, and take back industry from the government.

  • Posted By: Dj_r @ 12/19/2008 4:37:09 PM

    LOL @ MartinCopernicus, classic!

    @ Narxist... please provide some empirical evidence... perhaps employment statistics of those increasingly rare engineers that already have their skills booked at 100% capacity. With the unemployment rates of what many are calling the worst economic recession since the Great Depression, I find it hard to believe that we are just fresh out of engineers.

    And as for those cushy air-conditioned jobs keeping laborers from working on these projects... I suppose you have a point, A/C and $8.50 an hour does sound like a sweet deal!! Forget making twice that much + benefits in the public sector, they don't have A/C! I would much rather work in a mall dealing with crappy customers than actually make some real income. Or maybe I would rather stand on my feet in a restaurant all day serving customers and hoping they leave a good tip because the hourly pay sure as hell sucks... or how about $8.50/hour to load/unload trucks in a warehouse all day. Sweet! Though they don't have A/C either- because it's a warehouse, you see.

    Kudos for that piss-poor argument.

    • Posted By: Narxist @ 12/19/2008 4:58:22 PM

      You sound as if you may have had one of positions at one time. Well calm down before you have a seizure.

      There is tons of empirical evidence. The IEEE has been sounding the alarm as long as I have been a member (by the way I am a licensed engineer). Here it is:
      http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,889495,00.html
      http://civilengineeringcentral.wordpress.com/tag/civil-engineering-shortage/

      There is some debate as to the reality, so I can only say I have never had employment problems.

      As for the $8.50 crappy jobs, I can only point out during my travels around the country. Latin-Americans dong the road work in cities, highways and every building I have constructed. You believe what you want and I will return to my contractors shortly to ask the foreman to translate the our safety rules to Spanish and ask them to sign off.

      • Posted By: Narxist @ 12/19/2008 5:24:17 PM

        Oh, one more thing since we are on personal experience.

        In my University of 30,000 students, my freshman class consisted of all races, income levels and backgrounds- 40 students total. On graduation day (Class of 2000), there were seven of us. Me, a caucasian, my friend, an african-american, four foreign-exchange Indian students and one foreign-exchange Korean student.

        • Posted By: Dj_r @ 12/20/2008 1:19:29 AM

          Narxist: I will admit, you've surprised me with your relevant experience and knowledge. And while I have held a couple of the sucky positions mentioned above, my frustration mainly sprouted from the assumption that you were just another poster of random cynicism with no factual basis for your arguments. I am glad I was off.

          I must say, however, that even though the articles you've presented would indicate that there has historically been a gap in the supply and demand of civil engineers, the recession has not left any sector untouched, including that of civil engineering (layoffs which are even mentioned in your second article link).

          I guess what I am saying is I would need numbers before I would concede any points that go against the logical conclusions I've formed from my own observations. Namely, the unemployment rate has been accelerating beyond expectations (with 533,000 jobs lost in the last month alone); from the Dept. of Labor's website the average unemployment rate per state is 6.1% (California itself sits at a whopping 8.4%, pretty large numbers when one considers the Great Depression unemployment rate was at just 25% during its worst); while I am sure that civil engineering-related fields are more insulated from recessionary forces, the housing market being one of the current recessions biggest factors is bound to affect many employed in said sector.

          I very much doubt that with such a rise in unemployment we will not have skill looking for work, or that public projects will not incur an increase in employment (just by how much is debatable, but projects of this scale are very unlikely to leave the statistics untouched).

          • Posted By: TheEngineer4 @ 12/22/2008 6:55:31 PM

            I do not disagree that even engineering will and is affected by the current downtrun in the economy, but it is time to concede some of your points on your logical conclusions.

            https://www.urs.apply2jobs.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=mExternal.searchJobs
            http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?re=0&brd=1&jsnonreg=1&rad_units=miles&pg=1&occ=4.11747&vw=b

            URS Engineering Jobs = 509
            Monster Civil Engineering Jobs = 2114

            And these do not count all management and related engineering based jobs, like designers and CAD technicians.

            Additionally, I work in a engineering office in CA that probably has 150 people or so (it is a branch office for a large international engineering and construction firm) and of these people over 120 are foreign. Narxist is absolutely right in his statements that there is a shortage of engineers in this country. It has been like that since I graduated from engineering school in 1994. And even then, over 1/3 of my graduating class was international and over 2/3 of the post graduate students were from countries outside of the US. I have no problem with immigrants coming from other countries to fill these voids in our engineering fields. This is the type of immigrant that the USA has always looked for, people that bring something to the table. The problem is that these people have to pay taxes for all of our slugs in this country who are too lazy to get a job or learn a trade because the government gravy train is just too good.

            The brain trust is educated and goes into fields where the money is, which for the past 10 years has been the financial sector. This is the way of things though, and one of the guiding principles of capitalism that is so important to our conutry. This creates a intellectual vacuum in other areas requiring professional college educations, ie engineering and as a result, there is more and more of a demand for engineers as the economy becomes saturated with MBA's, which increases our salaries as theirs begin to fall back to earth. Just another example of supply and demand. But by no means do I want some Tom, Dick or Harry with a BA in political science or pscholoigy being allowed into the engineering profession. This is the other problem. Everybody pushes having a good education, but just because you have a college degree, you are not guaranteed a job. If you become a professional and put the time and effort into your education and your work, that is a good education that can be prosperous. If you are going to waste time being indoctrinated into the liberal arts of colleges and univerities, you might as well save your money and go to a CC and learn a trade, you will be better off for it, because we are short in those professions, too. I know non-union pipefitters in Wyoming that are making $90+/hr.

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/20/2008 11:07:10 AM

          Have many jobs been outsourced, like IT jobs?

          • Posted By: Narxist @ 12/21/2008 2:26:25 PM

            For the most part, engineering follows manufacturing. Every time you here of a company moving manufacturing to Mexico, China or Vietnam, they typically hire engineering there.

            The biggest problem, in humble opinion, is that high school students are not prepared for engineering school. For the safety of the public, ABET cannot (and should not) lower standards for an engineering degree. I will not go into the problems of the school systems because I am not well-informed, but that appears to be the source.

  • Posted By: Miles W @ 12/22/2008 10:34:01 AM

    How about nuclear power plants???

  • Posted By: SanLuisDave @ 12/22/2008 10:07:16 AM

    I believe the Governor is moving in the right direction. It is important that tangible assets be produced when money is thrown at a problem. If contract clauses can be inserted to limit bidders to US companies/suppliers and manufacturers and local employees only then I believe all parties will benefit from these arrangements. (U.S. Government contracts routinely include "Buy American" clauses in their bid requirements and require the use of local citizen labor. This forces investment in local workforces and channels tax monies generated by the projects back to the governments, state and national, that fund the projects.) I have worked in the U.S. government contracting arena for 25 years, most of the time outside the USA in support of our foreign missions and have seen these types of programs generate economies. With the sorry state of our national and statewide infrastructure millions of jobs could be created nationally, our transport system modernized and a more efficient, robust economy would result.

  • Posted By: rockcreek @ 12/22/2008 9:16:58 AM

    We need a nation wide rail system. Get out of our cars. Stop our trucks. You should be able to get on a train anywhere in the USA and go anywhere. The building of this green way of moving people and things would employee many people and start a new industry. Electric trains are proven technology. Monorails in our cities. Death to the automobile industry. We had this system in place once but tore it up for the wars. Lets put it back.

  • Posted By: ajmac @ 12/22/2008 8:06:37 AM

    Let's make sure we put some of this proposed money and energy into public transportation and improved rail lines to carry freight, and passengers. not just more and more roads to carry individual carbon belching semi trucks and cars.

  • Posted By: Byulmool @ 12/22/2008 1:22:59 AM

    Thus is the first time of my posting comment. Good and healthy lives will be opened to Gov. Arnold continously alway ever after. Thanks very much!

  • Posted By: Kies @ 12/21/2008 11:54:33 PM

    Arnold Governor and giving economic lectures don't mis like a nerd playing chess in a 24 hour fitness center. I wish his brain was as big as his biceps. He can't pump up the California economy due to nepotism (Kennedy), cronismn (scarcity) and I.Q.; he probabably thinks it is a Pilates add on, what a country, Instant Rome re-invented.

  • Posted By: gary goldbladt @ 12/21/2008 5:32:22 PM

    At the same time Gov Scharznegger talks about pumping up the econom y of California, he demands that the Calilfornia legislature terminate 10 percent of the state employee work force. The employees serve a necessary function to the State's infrastructure. Also, sending 10 percent of them to the unemployement office, or into a premature retirement will have a devastating effect on property values, and housing starts.
    Speaking of retirement, I wonder how the Republican crony he appointed to oversee the state employee retirement fund is faring these days. It wouldn't surprise me if the state retirement fund has been completely devastated.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 12/21/2008 3:44:33 PM

    In his puff-piece, Arnold Schwarzenegger fails to point out that he just vetoed a budget proposal that included many of the jump-start projects that he advocated. To be sure, these public works projects require taxes, but unless you want to live in a tax-free paradise, like Haiti or Somalia, you need to pay taxes. (Even Adam Smith pointed this out.) Furthermore, the bills for Arnold's much vaunted 2006 bond issue are now coming due. Because California does not have the money to pay off these bills, California's bond rating has plummeted to zero and about 2,000 current public works projects have been cancelled, making California vulnerable to lawsuits filed by the same private contractors whose interests Gov. Arnold wants to promote.
    Furthermore, Arnold's pet dreams of privatizing road maintenance will not be cheaper. His billionaire buddies will bilk the state, just like Halliburton and other defense contractors have robbed the federal government blind. Furthermore, private contractors will not hire Americans with union wages and working conditions. Instead, they will import foreign workers from the third world, who will get slave-labor wages and working conditions. I might also add that imported cheap labor brings concomitant vices such as drugs, alcoholism, prostitution, and crime. Where is Rick Warren when you need him?
    The last time Arnold got a puff piece in Newsweek, he was championing the environment. Now he wants the legislature to eliminate environmental safeguards. He also wants to destroy public transportation - at a time when our national salvation revolves on how many people we can get out of their private cars and on to subways, buses, and light rail system. As a result, California will get more sick children, higher health insurance rates less actual health care, and more global warming. In turn, global warming helps create the drought that California has been suffering from - devastating California's agricultural industry.
    Finally, Arnold's budget proposals are declaration of war against the poor,the weak, the sick, the elderly, - and the young. Arnold wants to slash funds for health care and public education and make a college education a dream that only the wealthy can afford. Furthermore, Arnold cannot make the connection between childhood poverty, child abuse, and violence. As result of Gov. Arnold the next generation will be poorer, sicker, less educated, and more violent. They certainly will not be able to afford the white elephant McMansions that are currently clogging the housing and lending market and causing our entire economy to collapse.
    Way to go, Arnold. You're really showing California what a fearless leader you are. Just like George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Co, future generations of Californians will curse your name.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 12/21/2008 2:14:51 PM

    There can be absolutely no comparison of USA to the Roman Empire,which had mass poverty & slave labour...

    The classical "education " is meaningless & belongs to the trashcan of history..

    I hope that if not Arnold himself ,then one of his aides reads the comments & understands that the ideas in his article got a skeptical approval

  • Posted By: andalucia @ 12/21/2008 12:50:28 PM

    Great! truly great! I agree with the idea and most commentators. I have a question: what exactly is he doing? "Concretely" speaking: how long and wide are the roads, railways and bridges; how fast and comfortable are the new trains, streetcars, buses and planes; how adequate and functional are the new and renovated schools, hospitals, universities, parks, and playgrounds?

  • Posted By: ajka @ 12/21/2008 11:47:07 AM

    Congratulations Arnold ! It requires a lot of courage to make bold and independent decisions. What you are trying to do, makes perfect sense. Consumerism leads to money going to China; whereas infrastruture spending leads to money being circulated among Americans (a little part might ultimatelybe used to buy Chinese goods). For govt. spending, think of some applicaion fee/ recertification fee for the non-status (illegal) immigrants. If they can rent an apartment, admit their kids in schools, get driving licenses, there could be a way to timpose an annual fee on this category while they remain on the list of wait-ins. Consider a $1000 a year a family. This could results in billions a year;for govt spendindg.

  • Posted By: rajarambojji @ 12/21/2008 10:37:43 AM

    Science and technology can provide the solution but we need it ver urgently. More than the research what we need is an attitudinal shift, to believe in ourselves. Actually we do have a solution for immediate implementation based on Gravitational Force- surprisingly the latest development but truly simple in technology for implementation and has little chance of failure because it is explainable by simple Newton's equations, and nothing beyond that level! ( www.atrilab.com )

    The implications are gravitational force can provide:
    1. 360 kmph rail based intercity transportation saving 87% of electrical energy
    2. urban metros, even existing ones can save 97% of electrical energy
    3. cargo can be moved from any point to any point in USA with gravity power, saving 97% of energy from fossil fuels
    4. USA can stop importing 8m barrels of oil daily, and stop 3.5b tons of carbon emissions per annum
    The projects for USA would need investment of $450 b, but no subsidy from the government, because they generate 30 to 40% cash surpluses.They generate also close to one million jobs. Eternal free gravity force , can kick start projects in all the states for transportation infrastructure to be futuristic totally powered by gravitational force. Within four years we can complete the commercial implementation and get benefits, without any need for waiting for research to be completed.

  • Posted By: SophoJoJo @ 12/21/2008 9:39:16 AM

    The Roman empire fell because it became decadent. Decadence mainly means loosing track of what's important for you and your people. Like: growth, progress, discipline. Indicators are: corruption, golden parachute orgies, arrogance, ignorance. That's why Bush stands, before all, for decadence and paving the way for an American downfall. I pray that Barack and Arnold turn it around. Infrastructure is a start. Cutting back on insane defense spendings and going after corrupted freaks in Washington and Wall Street is necessary, too. And proving to the world that American values are still valid and can make this country the shining beacon on the hill again. It's that easy.

  • Posted By: sharkman @ 12/21/2008 2:25:24 AM

    The Roman Empire fell because of over taxing people and its lack of border control get a clue.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 12/21/2008 12:33:43 AM

    This is what the US government should have done, instead of spending money on never-ending wars and spending on war contractors who waste them all for nothing. What have Bush achieved from Iraq and Afghanistan so far? Beside some transient euphoria on mission accomplished, lies, torture, destrution, murders, scandals etc, thers is NOTHING. Fortunately there are still some sensible leaders in the US.

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