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  • Posted By: MartinCopernicus @ 12/19/2008 3:15:59 PM

    This is a necessary step towards a brighter (literally) future for America. If we are to begin switching over to electric cars and cleaner fuel sources, we will need a new power grid that can handle vast amounts of electricity. And as we American's have not slowed down a bit in reproducing, we will need new, well kept roads and mass transportation systems. We must look to the long-term future that many ALL-CAPS-USING Americans are unable to comprehend.

  • Posted By: Narxist @ 12/19/2008 2:04:47 PM

    Hmmm.

    And who will do this work? Our country is graduating fewer engineers and the average laborer is more
    content to work in an air conditioned mall, warehouse or restaurant. Luckily, Mexico has an ample supply
    of laborers and India and Asia have plenty of engineers. We will get new power grids, new highways
    and new buildings but the average American will not benefit from their construction- only from their use.

    I will give the commentator kudos for mentioning only the benefit to the users of the infrastructure. The
    problem is that the populace is expecting this be a way to lower unemployment and increase the income
    of Americans. Too bad this will not be the case.

    I wonder if Mr. President-Elect will tell us this...

  • Posted By: doctorfixit @ 12/18/2008 12:46:01 PM

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is a clown who has no idea what he is talking about. Infrastructure in California has come to a grinding halt because of his looney-tunes enviro-nazi state government that ties up every project in litigation and endless environmental "reviews" that do nothing but line the pockets of Democrat parasite enviro-consultants and trial lawyers. Meantime California roads are the worst anywhere in the developed world, our schools are a disgrace, we are running out of water. Schwarzenegger is a disgrace who should move back to Austria where they like nazis. HE has been an absolute unmitigated disaster for teh state of California - even worse than Grey Davis.

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/19/2008 1:14:28 PM

      You could move to mainland China and enjoy their highly polluted anarchist air.

  • Posted By: doctorfixit @ 12/18/2008 12:50:04 PM

    Boycott California! Do not let the enviro-fascists destroy America like they have dedstroyed California! Do not buy anything made or grown in California. Schwarzenegger is a liberal fascist clown who is wrecking the state. We are turning into a 3rd world hellhole because of this Austrian moron. He should go back to making crappy movies and stop ruining America with his looney-tunes enviro-nazi job-killing government.

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/19/2008 1:09:23 PM

      Yes Ken Lay was a much business model, the poster child for republicans.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 12/19/2008 12:56:43 PM

    Please,short comments...!

    An Arnold's article is always welcome & interesting.

    I wish he wrote it by himself...

    His ideas r theoretically ok but they have an odour of socialism.

    Nowhere he mentions private sector participation in building/moderrnising the infrastructure,assisted by tax breaks & loan guarrantees.

    Arnold must try to be the new Reagan,not a centrist Kennedy...

  • Posted By: moelke @ 12/19/2008 10:02:25 AM

    Absolutely dead on. Congratulations. Now, how are you going to pay for it? Maybe we can import Chinamen to do it like we did in 1850. We can even borrow money from the Chinese gov't to pay for it.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 12/18/2008 10:34:14 AM

    We need more Germans like Arnold in public office. Germans invented the Autobahn, the father of our freeways, probably the only decent thing that Adolph Hitler ever did in his life. Germans like for things to actually work. You've got to watch them, though, because it goes to their head and they can get a little out of control with the authority. He ought to be made Freeway Czar, a new cabinet office. Hire him, Obama. New cabinet post.

    • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/19/2008 1:43:53 AM

      Wow, you're an idiot.

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/18/2008 11:19:45 AM

      Arnold is from Austria.

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000216/

  • Posted By: Rebel1 @ 12/18/2008 8:14:34 AM

    I whole-heartedly agree with rebuilding this infrastructure. Not just for economic issues, but also for security issues as well. The one thing I would like to see is a) Put Americans back to work. Those that have lived off the government for years with no disability other than "laziness disease" can assist us in rebuilding, learn a trade to continue self support and have some pride back in their lives. b) No illegal immigrants work for this project. They don't put their earnings back into our economy, they send it back home to their families. Very admirable for their hard work, very stupid for our economy!! Use American companies with American employees to rebuild America. All around winning situation for us.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 12/18/2008 10:25:28 AM

      Well, Rebel1, I wouldn't want to drive across the bridge built by the "laziness people". Much better to get some really industrious workers building a bridge by a highly competent bridge designer. I don't know if you have ever tried to inspire a determined lazy person to work, but if you will give it a try tomorrow, you will see what I mean.

      • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/19/2008 1:43:08 AM

        Great, but let's look at MY situation. I've worked in Korea for nearly a year. But instead of donating my earnings to the Korean government, I'm making the decision to wire them all back home to my bank based in America. Is there anything wrong with that? If your answer is yes, then please reread your post. It smacks of xenophobia, a parochiality mindset, and little if any research. Dumb ultraconservatives.

  • Posted By: x2c2 @ 12/18/2008 4:17:51 AM

    I have kids in college and high school, so I want our universities to be the best they can so my kids have the best education available, but I also believe that we need to make huge expenditures for preschool age children now, and totally rebuild our elementary and secondary schools over the next 10 years. This has to be done with federal funding. When I was in school, people lived in one town nearly all their lives, they passed tax referendums for the education facilities in their towns because they were taking care of their children. Now America is a transient society, people move in and out of school districts so often, there is not the "my school" mentality that there once was. Tax breaks in Washington have just meant higher taxes at the state and municipal level with education spending always the first to be cut. Our future depends directly on these kids. Developing infrastructure is only a prudent investment, if our children will be globally competitive enough to put these improvements to good use.

    • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/19/2008 1:40:44 AM

      Kudos, glad to see someone agrees with me on the education spending crisis. Yes, every time a government (in California) finds the need to expand prisons, education is always the first area to get cut.

  • Posted By: trdaniels @ 12/18/2008 3:51:32 AM

    I tend to disagree with the Governor regarding the stimulus power of infrastructure spending. Given how much infrastructure California already has and how inadequate it is, I don't see either stimulus or improved business conditions resulting from increased spending. However, I am certain the the universities in this nation do not need to be given more money to waste under the guise of education. Under-graduate education is one of the lowest priorities in the current system that feeds off these underclassmen and the exorbitant tuitions they pay. Finally, I was pleased to find out that the Roman Empire did not fall for reasons such as despotic leadership or corruption, but instead the causal factor was the failure to maintain the aqueduct system. Zimbabwe's current events are coming into focus, now. Thanks.

    • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/19/2008 1:39:21 AM

      Sorry dude, but the Roman Empire's fall isn't traced to any single factor. Just as we can't conclude that America's continuing fall from grace isn't necessarily only because of dumb white kids who smoke too much weed, it's incorrect to assume that there's only one single cause for every major catastrophe that occurs.

    • Posted By: trdaniels @ 12/18/2008 3:55:02 AM

      Sorry about this duplicate entry, I thought the previous post had failed.

  • Posted By: Flew @ 12/18/2008 3:48:44 AM

    I completely agree Arnold. I think that among the many infrastructure needs, we should put priority on upgrading our rail system - to carry freight at a fraction of the costs associated with OTR carriers, and to transport, of all things, automobiles. Imagine that instead of driving from Maine to Florida, burning 100 gallons of gas each way per car load, we could drive onto a 'car ferry' train, ride in safety and comfort, sleep regularly, eat in on-train restaurants, use on-board restrooms, for a fraction of the cost. Heck, the trip would actually be relaxing and enjoyable, instead of a draining, dangerous experience.

    • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/19/2008 1:37:18 AM

      Yep. I'm a bigger fan of the tourist train experience. Save myself a few bucks that I can use to dine with the kids at a nice restaurant and stay at the upscale hotels during the trip.

  • Posted By: trdaniels @ 12/18/2008 3:42:06 AM

    I don't believe infrastructure spending will be the panacea that Gov. Schwarzenegger is suggesting. I also don't believe spending more money on the university system makes sense when the costs associated with educating under-graduates hardly justifies the tuition costs at most universities. Finally, I was surprised that the fall of the Roman empire has been causally linked to the lack of maintenance of the aqueduct system. Perhaps that is what is happening in Zimbabwe.

    • Posted By: zeth006 @ 12/19/2008 1:35:25 AM

      That's the problem with you people. You have such a hard time looking into the long-term. Investing more and not less money into the university system isn't a short-term goal. It's a means to a goal. That goal is the nurturing of more bright and intelligent graduates who will one day replace the best and brightest of today. You can't just invest in more roads and train tracks. You need to also invest in people. A city college education isn't going to cut it.

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/18/2008 11:24:01 AM

      "I was surprised that the fall of the Roman empire has been causally linked to the lack of maintenance of the aqueduct system."

      Wasn't the fact they made drinking mugs out of lead also an issue? They used lead for many items.

  • Posted By: JohnGFL @ 12/19/2008 12:36:33 AM

    If these governors had some guts, they would start fixing their state economies by cutting the waste in their government budgets through emergency executive orders. A major source of wasted revenues in our states is the social services provided to millions of illegal aliens taking jobs away from American workers, pillaging the healthcare system with uncompensated care that our citizens must pay for; filling prisons with murderers, drug dealers, thieves, burglars, muggers, rapists, etc.; engorging the welfare rolls to collect monthly checks and food stamps; clogging our schools with their children and taking our social security without contributing to their own benefits. We are not the caretakers of Central and South America, Asia, and the other countries who abuse our borders. Our citizens have the right to demand protection from this economic invasion. Our government must enforce the laws we have passed to provide this protection from non-citizens. Deportation is much less expensive than the programs we pay to keep this ridiculous mass of invaders within our borders. The meager cost of deportation will save billions annually and will serve as an investment in our future. Are you listening governors? Let's see some action on behalf of our own citizens, taxpayers, and workers.

  • Posted By: Montana450815 @ 12/18/2008 9:01:51 PM

    With the numbers of bridges that are no longer save all over the country and some of the interstates like part of Interstate 25 I was on recently, we really need to do some work on infrastructure. The retrofitting of buildings to make them more energy efficient would end up saving money in the long run. I agree that government projects can get bogged down, but we can only hope that under our new president they can find a way to streamline the process and maybe we can find honest contractors and union officials to manage the process. Failing that, maybe Americans will pay enough attention to what is going on to blow the whistle on the one's screwing us over. I, for one, have enough of the greed that has overtaken this nation. Many of the failures we have recently suffered are a result of greed and we need to stop it from happening. These projects can work to help our economy if we all become a responsible part of the solution.

  • Posted By: Blackbarry @ 12/18/2008 8:09:09 PM

    Government spending sucks up the Nation's wealth. It does not create it. It competes with private enterprise directly and crowds viable business out, overpays on the wages, and always suffers huge cost over runs. The inefficiency is simply staggering. And this well documented activity is supposed to lead us out of recession?

  • Posted By: TheEngineer4 @ 12/18/2008 4:09:23 PM

    Infrastructure projects, done wisely, will provide short term benefits like providing jobs, as well as, long term benefits like improving the efficiency of the tax base which means more tax revenue at the same tax rates or lower, certainly a plus in my book. However, there are so many pitfalls to throwing money at infrastructure projects. Allow me to list some of them.

    1. The problem with federal and state funded infrastructure projects in certain areas of the country is that they face headlong corruption and bureaucracy problems as a result of the government getting involved. Take for instance the Big Dig and Deer Island Projects in Boston. Both had cost overruns in excess of 50%. Now that is not a lot when you are talking $1.00, but when you are talking $10,000,000,000.00 (in the case of the Big Dig) that is another $5-6 billion. So a $1 trillion plan now costs our country north of $1.5 trillion. The reasons for these overruns are immense:
    a. Forcing projects to be closed shop, if they are closed shop allowing the government to negotiate the contracts with the unions instead of the contractors. Unions need to learn to be competitive and run themselves like a business instead of a government agency. I have seen union contractors and subcontractors be competitive with nonunion ones, but they are actually more efficient and ???bring it??? to a jobsite, but these are few and far between. On those projects in Boston, 1 in 4 union workers were necessary for the project and of the 3 out of 4 that were, they only operated at 60-75% efficiency. Thus providing a major reason for cost overruns and a drain on our taxpayer dollars.
    b. Design and then Build instead of Design/Build. If you look at the most major successful projects that have been done in the country over the course of the last 10-15 years (such as I-15 Corridor in Salt Lake City, T-Rex in Denver, etc.) they were design/build jobs, where the design was done by private companies that were under the umbrella of the contractor responsible for building the work improving constructability, reducing change orders an streamlining the process, with only government oversight to assure quality. They were successful and the companies made money and the states got their projects usually well ahead of time and at their budget, unlike the two Boston projects which were first Design, then Build.
    c. Corruption was rampant in Boston. From contractors, to unions, to suppliers, to government officials. Expediting infrastructure projects to get the economy kick-started, heightens the level of corruption such that it is harder to clamp down on, because things are moving so quickly. Corruption almost always breeds cost overruns, quality issues and safety problems
    d. I have used large heavy/civil projects as examples, but the same applies to smaller projects, like museums and schools just the same.

    Continued???

  • Posted By: TheEngineer4 @ 12/18/2008 4:08:55 PM

    2. Force-feeding projects to make them start moving, usually, means making them cost-plus instead of good lump sum hard money projects. There is no incentive in a cost-plus job to cut costs, because the government will just keep footing the bill, ie, the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository. Countless billions of dollars have been pumped into Yucca Mountain for a project whose state loved the jobs and revenue coming from it, until they realized they might actually have to store nuclear waste in, god forbid, a nuclear waste repository. This work was all done Cost Plus because of government bureaucracy in the project approach, and there was a revolving door of the who???s who of contractors every 2-3 years just suckling at the government teet. If this work had been done lump sum, nobody would have ever done it, for one, but if they did, the costs would have been countless billions less. Throw unions (and in some cases even non-union) into the mix and you get places like the Clinton Nuclear Powerhouse where the project is so massive (4000-5000 workers) that at any given day, the companies doing the work will be spending their cost-plus dollars on 10% ghosts, or people that get paid for a full days work but never even show up, because they are carded in by somebody else. Accelerating projects as seen in the President-Elects plan will push too many projects into a category where there is no accountability for the costs because they are cost plus, or cost reimbursable or some variation of it.
    3. There is no trained workforce to take on these projects. Heavy civil projects and especially things like wastewater treatment projects are already short on skilled labor. When you arbitrarily create work to create jobs, you will get people with no experience or appreciation for the work they are doing, and then you have accidents and you have deaths. Look a the Las Vegas City Center Casino as an example of too much work and not having qualified labor force resulting in major safety problems. Good training programs need 3-5 years under the guidance of the right supervision. Then there is the issue of the job locations. Construction requires some hardships like traveling from job-to-job and being away from your family and the culture that you grew up in. There is a reason that construction has had one of the fastest aging groups across all employment sectors, nobody wants to go into it and do the time and travel, even though the money is already pretty good, great in some cases. What happens when there is a nice $2 billion project with lots of jobs in California, but none of the recently laid off Michigan autoworkers want to go there, learn a new trade and work?

    Continued???

  • Posted By: TheEngineer4 @ 12/18/2008 4:08:25 PM

    4. Finally as a comment to those here saying, rail, light transit, tunnels, etc. Yes, they are great projects and have their place, but there are issues with them as well. The person who stated we should build underground rail tunnels across the country from coast to coast, has never built a tunnel and has no idea that the costs of a tunnel, compared to its aboveground counterpart in wide open spaces, is easily 4 times as much and underground work is one of the top 3 most dangerous profession. When I asked a safety manager on a tunnel project once, what would happen if there was a major accident in a tunnel his response was ???body bag count???. Second, people would ever pay attention, rail companies like UP and BNSF are doing a pretty good job of upgrading their rail projects on their own as they need them, by eliminating bottlenecks and adding second lines as needed, because there is a growing profitable private sector demand for the improvements, because rail is actually hip again. But don???t get the government involved, see Amtrack.

    There are so many more countless problems to the wrong types, approaches to and means of building new infrastructure projects, I could go on and on. Yes, we should make improvements that would help our country become overall more efficient and help us in the long run increase our ability to pay down our burgeoning national debt, but they have to be smart and not forced for the sake of job creation, else we will all pay more and will get so much less out of our hard earned money.

  • Posted By: T.J. Dash @ 12/18/2008 4:02:56 PM

    Not a bad idea. It will definitely create all sorts of jobs and in times like this, it is better then those bailout talks.

  • Posted By: EuroTrash @ 12/17/2008 9:06:29 PM

    Whoever writes these articles and allows Mr. Governator to put his name to them is a good writer. Regardless of whoever actually authored this piece, kudos to Arnold for recognizing the importance of infrastructure, and doing something about it.

    • Posted By: r0339 @ 12/18/2008 1:25:13 PM

      Infrastructure Projects: Here we tax the people to fund the projects, then use the taxes to pay the people we are taxing.

      These projects will eventually become California's Perpetual Motion Machine, and soon all Californian's will be living in Heaven!

      (didn't Marx say that?)

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