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The Evil Solution

Young and desperate, Somali pirates aren't afraid to commit heinous acts of destruction, says one of their leaders.

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  • Posted By: dsnagle @ 12/24/2008 1:03:30 AM

    Pretty sure the Crusades were over 800 years ago, before any of our ancestors came to America. I really find it hard to buy that argument. I think it's because of the whole "jihad" thing being perverted by some who follow the religion. "Let's face it", with a few exceptions, the whole Catholic v. Protestant wars thing kind of got old for Christians because they realized life was more sacred than land and learned to coexist after about 300 years. Some Muslims don't think that way. They don't value human life at all in some circumstances, so they use violence without a second thought.

    • Posted By: fiber artist @ 04/17/2009 9:53:26 AM

      The Catholic vs. Protestant thing is still alive and well...remember Ireland? And, in the good ole USA, we have Baptists hating Episcopalians, Mormons are hated by everyone, Jehovas and 7th Days not well liked. Get real... organized religion of every type is bad for society. How can so called Christians call themselves that when they hate all other religions and even each other. It is the same with Muslims - the Shiite hate the Suni and the Kurds. Religion is the number one reason for war.

  • Posted By: theycallmerizzo @ 02/18/2009 6:40:22 PM

    garbage is right most of these guys have more brains than and skills than the average american. That said, the average american could never do what these people are FORCED to do. I do not condone it nor do i agree with it, but that being said they revert to violence because there is no chance for improvement in their lives because their society is in disaray. We need to concentrate more on helping and educating people than trying to blow them up and put them away in a cell forever.

  • Posted By: selujerdna @ 12/29/2008 11:44:42 PM

    garbageUniversal...

    What the hell did you just write? Uneducated because he is a fisherman? Are you kidding me? There are damn smart people out there even at very low levels of society. The problem is they're not given a chance to succeed. They are often dimissed as troublemakers, unrefined, etc...This is the same thing that the pirate leader is arguing about. What is 'uneducated' anyways? Could you do what he is doing to survive? I doubt it...It takes a lot of skills to be a pirate: leadership, fishing, swimming, artillery, etc...It's pathetic that you dismiss him as uneducated because he is a fisherman. It doesn't take a genius to know what is going on in one's country.

    I see one solution to this: what they need to do is make a deal with the top pirate leaders to patrol the sea for them. I can definitely understand the pirates though because here you have vessells carrying millions of dollars worth of goods, but they're starving to death. I would do the same thing too. It's called survival.

  • Posted By: ninewindows @ 12/29/2008 9:47:11 PM

    @ garbageUniversal:

    While I don't put much stock in the reliability of our media either, It would be nieve to dismiss a "fisherman" as uneducated just because he is a "fisherman". Those of us living in democratic countries tend to want to see the world through rose colored glasses. People in less prosperous countries are forced to be many things in times of turmoil and poverty. Humans are capable of rising to the occasion in more ways than people understand. When your freedom and way of life are threatened, you do what you need to, to survive. Never underestimate the power of the human heart. Love for one's country can breed nobility, regardless of education.

    Although I will agree that the problem does not lie in piracy being wrong, but in that the cause for which they are fighting for should be righted. They would not have need to use such force if their positions and rights were not being trampled on in the first place.

    We long ago stopped leading by example for the rest of world, and took it upon ourselves to take what we want. Is it no suprise the rest of the world is following our lead? The 'bully' on the playground always gets the short stick in the end.

  • Posted By: garbageUniversal @ 12/28/2008 10:35:51 PM

    hmmm an american news site reporting Somalians consider Americans to be friendly (probably FOX is unbiased too).

    I think the reporter fabricated parts of the interview (or even the whole thing). The person being interviewed was a fisherman (I am guessing uneducated) before he became a pirate and suddenly he rises to the top of the pirate community thing and he understands the political scenario of the country well enough to make impressive sounding comments??

    Violence is never the solution to lasting peace and what the pirates are doing is wrong but then "right" always rests with the majority. If a person is starving to death and he steals a piece of bread who is going to say that is wrong? Technically it is wrong but if the world was that strict then there would be no humanity left only law abiding robots. Even teasing your friend might be wrong in some way.

    But this does not mean be lenient with the pirates. Of course they should be stopped but what we should realize (as many people have already commented) is that these people have been wronged and the cause for piracy should be removed. If you wear shorts in the winter then you should expect to get a cold. You cannot hope to get rid of your cold if you continue to wear shorts and take some medicine for the cold.

    So address the root cause else the problem is unlikely to go away.

  • Posted By: garbageUniversal @ 12/28/2008 10:34:35 PM

    hmmm an american news site reporting Somalians consider Americans to be friendly (probably FOX is unbiased too).

    I think the reporter fabricated parts of the interview (or even the whole thing). The person being interviewed was a fisherman (I am guessing uneducated) before he became a pirate and suddenly he rises to the top of the pirate community thing and he understands the political scenario of the country well enough to make impressive sounding comments??

    Violence is never the solution to lasting peace and what the pirates are doing is wrong but then "right" always rests with the majority. If a person is starving to death and he steals a piece of bread who is going to say that is wrong? Technically it is wrong but if the world was that strict then there would be no humanity left only law abiding robots. Even teasing your friend might be wrong in some way.

    But this does not mean be lenient with the pirates. Of course they should be stopped but what we should realize (as many people have already commented) is that these people have been wronged and the cause for piracy should be removed. If you wear shorts in the winter then you should expect to get a cold. You cannot hope to get rid of your cold if you continue to wear shorts and take some medicine for the cold.

    So address the root cause else the problem is unlikely to go away.

  • Posted By: hotradish @ 12/28/2008 4:48:42 PM

    When I first heard that the Somali fisherman had turned to piracy because their fishing had been destroyed by foreign fisherman poaching in their waters, I thought, "Well that's fair". Those major powers who do not control their own nationals and others who turned a blind eye to their acts are the first ones to be blamed....and as such should be named! Let's be open and clear about the root cause and hold those nations responsible.

  • Posted By: the snipers @ 12/28/2008 4:17:50 PM

    well atleast i am somali and i know the fact....the pirate has spoken and he said piracy wil never end unless there is strong gov in somalia...somalia had never pirate's but now every young guy is dreaming to become one....and even most of the girls wanna marry pirate;s....well i would advise the french to stay away somali waters coz i am somali and i know what he is talking about....remember somali's are masters of revenge and one way or other they wil get french nationals and let us see what would happen to them.
    during siad barre ragime there was no piracy and after 16 years of civil war there was no pirecy after abdulahi yusuf there is piracy and all the piracy only happen in puntland!!!!what a joke.
    abdulahi yusuf should resign and there should be powerfull somali gov so that they can protect this toxic dump in our sea.
    and restore peace in somalia.
    al shabab and the police(thugs)of hassan qeybdid wil not be part of the peace deal. they are evil and un human.
    the copy are better and shikh sharif team.
    but somali youth could make the diffrent they should unite and hunt down thoese old men who don't know any thing about politics.

  • Posted By: deniserichman @ 12/28/2008 12:44:09 PM

    seems to me that they have an intention; which is to restore or empower a government that gives their peploe opportunity & jobs...this part does not sound unreasonable to me. In fact, it sounds like a right...injustice begets injustice. How do we as a nation here & abroad provide viable solutions. I dare say that if the shoe was on the other foot..what would you do??? i would be hard pressed to say that i would not consider alternatives to be heard..they are doing their best to be heard...how can we solve this??? Rich must share with the poor..we all know in our hearts that this could happen to any country....we are all one. What hurts one country hurts us all. There just has to be a better way to address this....

  • Posted By: Osvaldo13 @ 12/28/2008 12:21:02 PM

    That's what Asian Countries are doing to the world. If rich countries continue to do what the are doing this world is going to turn to a mess like that...

  • Posted By: waliid @ 12/28/2008 10:24:29 AM

    devil is those fishinf somali sea

  • Posted By: waliid @ 12/28/2008 10:23:48 AM

    the evil action is those fishing the sea of somalia, dropping worst material, supporting criminal gangs of warlords in somalia,, those are - usa , eu , and tegria regime,, somalia is for somalian,, they will fight till being defeated ,, invaders and those supports

  • Posted By: yoder1964 @ 12/28/2008 9:48:24 AM

    Doing Evil as a means to reach your goal regardless of possible disembowelment of the ecosystems, culture, saftey of the nation requires equal reaction of evil. I personally believe that once a group of organized persons accept and perform these activities as norms then they are terrorist. I highly doubt that if this man has the opportunity to become a middle class Somallian citizen with an ok income from employment that he would swap. I would employ the same type of terrorist management tactics that the Israeli anti terrorist units employ. Punnish the entire family and gene poole of each identified terrorist by removing the wife, Brother, Son, Daughter, niece, nephew, mother, father etc... confiscate all family property and funds un til either the terrorist is killed or the family surrenders the terrorist for prosecution and sentencing.

  • Posted By: nekke @ 12/26/2008 1:45:07 PM

    Hijacking is symptom of the problem being perpetrated by the fishing vessels that are depriving the poor Somalis of their sovereign rights. But the major problem is the thinking that the Somali problem is not their concern. The international community must wake up and face the problem squarely and not leave to Ethiopians who are fighting to avoid attention to their local problems.

  • Posted By: CaptainCasualty @ 12/24/2008 1:27:57 PM

    Witty Banter:
    Awesome post!

    But,
    I wouldn't assume $$oldier is one of ours just because he says he is. He talks more like an Arian extremist than a soldier. Taking time to (try) sound intelligent but using words incorrectly when trying to convey his thoughts... Kinda trademark.

    -captain

  • Posted By: Captn. Canada @ 12/23/2008 11:49:25 AM

    Doesn't your United States and just about every other country have Special Ops and what not? I can't imagine with the Western worlds military technology that it can't handle taking out some freakin pirates. They are PIRATES. Granted pirates with rocket launchers, but really?

    If this is the volatile situation it appears to be in this region (and for quite some time now) didn't ANYONE in the international community think to address it BEFORE the pirates decided to become so brazen? They are only going so far and pushing the limits because historically, there haven't been any.

    • Posted By: CaptainCasualty @ 12/24/2008 1:22:03 PM

      Capt Canada:
      Truly, you are the same type of person that will complai if the US went and hunted pirates in 'Somali Sovereign Waters'. Every time the US is pressured by world nations to act on behalf of other countries security, we are only 15 minutes away from being criminalized by those same people for getting involved where we shouldn't.

      I'm sorry, but the way the Somali's treated the US in the past when we've tried to help with humanitarian aid makes me think we'd be better off just leaving them alone and staying out of the picture.

      The problem isn't that the US couldn't do something, it's that every time we do, the world hates us more. Why bother?

      Ment2Be:
      there is a difference between corporations sailing into the Somali seas and fishing, and pirates taking and killing to extort money. If it were only about a job or getting their fishing money back, they would stop at the first multi-million dollar ransom.

      Do you *really* think that once the Govt is stabilized they will go back to fishing for a fraction of a fraction of what they can pull off illegally?

      -captain

    • Posted By: crf450xrdr @ 12/23/2008 12:16:00 PM

      So once again the U.S. is expected to deal with it so your all off the hook eh? Come on Canada, where are you?

  • Posted By: $$$soldier @ 12/23/2008 10:00:57 PM

    Have no pity on these people.Evolution dictates the natural order of life is promoted by the extinction of inferiors.Let them die alone, cursed as they have always been. Blow them off the waters like feathers from an exploding bird.

    • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 12/24/2008 12:05:17 PM


      $$$soldier
      Your NCO should slap you, and they should restrict your access to the internet to only talking to love ones. You have FAR too much downtime and far more inexperienced on how to deal with foreign affairs.

  • Posted By: Witty Banter @ 12/24/2008 2:51:00 AM

    Wow, so much to say in response to this thread. I may as well start with the subject of the article. There seems to be two opinions demonstrated here; that of the superhero fighting evil, and those who sympathize with the struggle of the pirates. It seems to me that the logical response by the international community would to be to not simply destroy the evil, but to end the contributing factors that provide reason for these people to turn to piracy.

    And I must comment on the second largest topic of this thread: $$$soldier. Being a military wife myself, I've noticed that there are usually two groups of men on the front lines. The honorable and the disgraceful. My husband is an honorable man who serves his country with pride, in hopes of helping the civilians sustain a good quality of life and to protect the innocent. It seems that these days, the majority of these kinds of 'grunts' are leaders. And then, you have the disgraceful soldiers (that covers your $$$soldier) who are trigger happy and have disrespect for anything that takes patient rational thought, and who would rather hate on everyone different and flaunt his patriotic pride. This soldier does not understand that the United States is made up of people from all backgrounds who share the same dream of freedom and independence. Americans are not all white protestant males.
    However, in this case, I believe $$$soldier to be trolling this thread making an ass out of himself and the United States Militia. He fails to respond to any of your criticism nor do his thoughts evolve. If indeed he is in Iraq, I strongly suggest he not be and instead be pumping someone's gas down South in some one-horse town where his ideas might fly.

    • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 12/24/2008 11:37:44 AM

      $$$soldier is a steroid popping, gun toting airhead of a man, only capable of swallowing the hypernationlistic BS and orders for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. he needs a swift kick to his manhood. really, one of the most disgraceful service men ive ever had the displeasure of witnessing open his mouth.

      and yes, he has not responded to anyones critisism because he cant think outside of his orders. all he longs for is guns and death. he looks at war like business, which truth be told isnt too far off from reality. but too act as though humanity has a price, or just life in general, is truely pitiful on his part and again is completely disgracing what the other 90% of our forces are trying to accomplish. thankfully hes part of only a fraction.

      and if i ever did cross paths with him i would knock his teeth out, he makes this country look like a bunch of gun toting rednecks that only wish to bag a few "sand monkeys" as ive heard some call the people of the middle east.

      next to the definition of disgrace is his picture, thumbs up, holding a body bag and a pistol.

      what a loser.

      maybe we should ask why he felt inclined to join the armed forces in the first place... couldnt get into college? wanted revenge for 9/11? just wanted some action? some recognition to make himself feel like more of a man?

      hiding behind weaponry doesnt make you more of a man than anyone little soldier boy, i challenge you to take on the next foe with your bare hands. thats more civilized than point, click, dead. then you might actually have to contemplate about the life you are about to erase. maybe it would give him a better sense of his own humanity, or not. most likely that latter in his case.

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 12/24/2008 5:35:52 AM

    a money scam =it makes the world go round
    pirates indeed

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