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The Noose Tightens

Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and other top Bush officials could soon face legal jeopardy.

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  • Posted By: KATMAX @ 01/17/2009 4:18:57 PM

    THE TERRORIST DON'T CARE ABOUT RIGHTS THEY TORTURE MORE HORRIFIC THAN WE HAVE BEEN TOLD FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAM. BUT IF WE DO OR SAY ANYTHING WE ARE THE CRUSADERS ALL I CAN SAY IS I GET SICK OF HEARING IGNORANT PEOPLE, PEOPLE YOU JUST THINK OF THEMSELVES.

  • Posted By: writingfool7734 @ 01/15/2009 8:49:51 AM

    Excuse me, but the Bush administration lied in order to further the war effort in the Middle East; the lies continued from then on. Continual attacks upon our Constitution have rendered it nearly unrecogizable--acts which could not have proceeded without the impetus of an event such as 911.
    MIndful and deliberate decisions were made which jeopardized the American way of life, acts which I believe were acts of terrorism and treason against the American people, yet we the people allowed it all to happen.
    Perhaps we deserve what we're getting.
    Personally, as criminals on a number of levels, Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as traitors, war criminals, and purpetrators of crimes against humanity.

    It's a matter of record that Bush himself referred to the Constitution of the United States of America as
    "a g*d da***d piece of paper."

    Thank you for the opportunity to express my displeasure.

  • Posted By: freeman76 @ 01/15/2009 12:38:17 AM

    Your analogy might not be that representative of reality. For instance, the two kidnappers have already been under close scrutiny by government intelligence operatives before and during the kidnapping and there is suspicion that one of three kidnappers is actually a national security agent who is relaying national security issues deemed to be more important to the national interest than kidnapping crimes. Your mission: how do you get the information that will return these children safely to their parents? By waiting for the freedom of information law to kick in, so that you can look into government files twenty some years later? - or allowing the government to coerce information of questionable veracity which predictably results as useless in attempts to find the children? I wish our world was less complicated, but many suspects roam freely back and forth with great impunity.

  • Posted By: S0C!ALC0NSC!ENCE @ 01/14/2009 10:32:57 PM

    Let's look at an example...let's say you are in the park with your two children and three people grab them and start running to a car. You chase them and two of the people get your children into a car and speed off. You have one of the people in your custody. You know that if your children are gone for more than 48 hours, then most hope is gone. The person in your custody is defiant and silent. You have 48 hours to find your children and must consider the following: How do you get information from the one person in your custody to save your children? What methods do you use to obtain the information? Now it's PERSONAL. Whose HUMAN RIGHTS are more important?

  • Posted By: Robert1234 @ 01/14/2009 7:56:34 PM

    Crimes are always prosecuted after their completion, thus the concept that it's to late is utterly nuts. These men have tortured or had tortured humans and must be held accountable. Worse, they have damaged human rights around the world, harmed the most basic concept of human rights, that of the right to demand to know why a person is being held, etc. These people are as damaging to humanity as Hitler and Stalin was. They deserve prison as least as much as those tried at Nuremberg.

  • Posted By: marinesfirst @ 01/14/2009 7:46:36 PM

    There is a right way of achieving information and a wrong way. Recent studies and history has shown that interrorgation techniques, like waterboarding, do not work. They are just forms of torture, not an effective way of interrorgation. That is a fact. When I was in special forces we were trained to withstand giving up ANY information while being tortured by even worse technques. Now you have men like John McCain, who have served, protected our country, have dealt with top secret info, and have detailed knowledge of the happenings at these prisons and they are saying its wrong and that we need to do something about it. I agree. These kind of actions don't make us safer, they make the enemies numbers increase and fuels anti-american sediment of the middle east and the world.

  • Posted By: brydges @ 12/19/2008 11:38:58 AM

    Justice? If torturing thousands of these peple saves one inocent child from another terrorist attack where can I sign up for the job?

    • Posted By: pythoncw @ 12/19/2008 12:08:42 PM

      You would tourture thousands of people? Sounds pretty nasty to me. I am sure that Mr. Maher Arar and his family are happy there are good upstanding americans like you willing to break the law and follow the terrorists lead in torturing and huritng innocent people. Hey, since you are so much like them, why dont you just go to afghanistan and hang out wiht your buddies? maybe you can abduct some suspicious looking characters in europe and torture them. Their families will not miss them for the 2 years you will detain them illegaly.

      Justice is necessary. The USA has laws that should be followed. Torture is illegal and we should be better than these terrorists and stand up against these actions. It should not matter who is torturing who, it is illegal. It is a wonder that you die hard "americans" are all to willing to break the laws of the land. You sink as low as the enemy then ask everyone to look at you like your a hero. But you are nothing but a two bit criminal just like them.

      • Posted By: Madisonman @ 01/14/2009 5:51:06 PM

        how exactly would you gain the necessary information from these men. They are trained murderers. They show no compunction with slaughtering innocent women, children and men. Would we ask them nicely over milk and cookies. I hate to break it to you, but there is such a thing as evil and people who really delight in doing bad things. People who really enjoy killing and hurting others and will do so without hesitation. It's not a matter of making them see things clearly. They see America and Americans as something they hate. They hate us for many reasons both on the conservative and liberal side of things we do. There is no compromise with many Islamic terrorists. They will not stop until you are muslim or dead. So with that said, what would you do to stop them. Waxing poetic about torture, and the evilness of Bush and Cheney won't solve the problem. They tried to blow up the Twin Towers under Clinton as well, who actually did everything most liberals are espousing. 9/11 had been planned for almost a decade, well before Bush took power.

        What would you do? How would you put a stop to this?

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 12/19/2008 12:17:12 PM

      The problem, bud is tht "these people" (whoever THAT might be) are someone's children, too. It is foolish to the point of irresponsibly ignorant to assume that the various agencies and agents of the government can reliably KNOW who is and who is not a bad guy, so among your thousands of torturees, inevitably, YOU torture some innocent people, too...and some will die. How does the proposal look when viewed this way: To save one innocent person from being killed, how many OTHER innocent people will you torture, and how many will you torture to death?

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/19/2008 12:25:28 PM

        The problem idiot is you assume all these people are inocent. We are at war and this is how we and every other country have fought wars since the beginning of time. It would be nice to not have to resort to these tactics but here in the real world yes the lives of my children are more important to me then some one elses. Get over yourself

        • Posted By: nikolai @ 12/19/2008 4:22:40 PM

          brydges "The problem idiot is you assume all these people are inocent. We are at war and this is how we and every other country have fought wars since the beginning"

          Dude, bush STARTED this war for less than valid reasons (to say the least) so pretty much everything after that is our bad, at least in a way, and when we don't abide by the Geneva Convention, we are as bad as the nazi's were. The nazis said the same things after WWII that our republican politicians are saying now. What's the difference? Wrong is wrong, even if it IS the good ol USA. THink about it...

          • Posted By: brydges @ 12/23/2008 9:37:55 AM

            like I said your an idiot

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/19/2008 1:31:48 PM

          Someone being tortured will say anything to stop being tortured. Ask McCain if he has seen any US troops fall into that predicament. The same could be said of you or the majority.

          You also don't seem to understand that when Bush kills an Iraqi innocent he creates an entire extended family that now hates him and the US. In the end has Bush killed more terrorists than he has created?

          One thing is certain - Cheney's manipulation of Bush has made Halliburton rich. How does that definition of American suit you?

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/19/2008 1:23:24 PM

          "The problem idiot is you assume all these people are inocent. "

          Yeah, that's how our legal system works. Stop hating America.

    • Posted By: Le Cycliste @ 12/19/2008 1:26:21 PM

      And if torturing one of "these peple" cause the death of hundreds of US soldiers, I suppose you're Just Jake with that as well? Oh, I forgot, you a$$hats think "they knew the job was dangerous when they took it".
      And why is it that you ultra-patriots also have the most ATROCIOUS grammar and spelling? Or do you just hit the same typos over and over again?

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/19/2008 3:18:32 PM

        sorry about the typos. I can blame them on Bush right?

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/19/2008 4:28:45 PM

          Naw. Just blame them on being an ignorant redneck.

    • Posted By: pythoncw @ 12/19/2008 12:09:51 PM

      You would tourture thousands of people? Sounds pretty nasty to me. I am sure that Mr. Maher Arar and his family are happy there are good upstanding americans like you willing to break the law and follow the terrorists lead in torturing and huritng innocent people. Hey, since you are so much like them, why dont you just go to afghanistan and hang out wiht your buddies? maybe you can abduct some suspicious looking characters in europe and torture them. Their families will not miss them for the 2 years you will detain them illegaly.

      Justice is necessary. The USA has laws that should be followed. Torture is illegal and we should be better than these terrorists and stand up against these actions. It should not matter who is torturing who, it is illegal. It is a wonder that you die hard "americans" are all to willing to break the laws of the land. You sink as low as the enemy then ask everyone to look at you like your a hero. But you are nothing but a two bit criminal just like them.

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/19/2008 12:17:58 PM

        I'm sorry no I wouldn't turture to save one of your children. I hope your self rightoeus ego can do that. go pat yourself on the back your liberal crusader you.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/19/2008 1:37:17 PM

          Why don't you do the same, torture freak?

    • Posted By: Le Cycliste @ 12/19/2008 1:26:10 PM

      And if torturing one of "these peple" cause the death of hundreds of US soldiers, I suppose you're Just Jake with that as well? Oh, I forgot, you a$$hats think "they knew the job was dangerous when they took it".
      And why is it that you ultra-patriots also have the most ATROCIOUS grammar and spelling? Or do you just hit the same typos over and over again?

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/19/2008 1:22:47 PM

      Islamabad is hiring, I hear.

    • Posted By: pythoncw @ 12/19/2008 12:09:17 PM

      You would tourture thousands of people? Sounds pretty nasty to me. I am sure that Mr. Maher Arar and his family are happy there are good upstanding americans like you willing to break the law and follow the terrorists lead in torturing and huritng innocent people. Hey, since you are so much like them, why dont you just go to afghanistan and hang out wiht your buddies? maybe you can abduct some suspicious looking characters in europe and torture them. Their families will not miss them for the 2 years you will detain them illegaly.

      Justice is necessary. The USA has laws that should be followed. Torture is illegal and we should be better than these terrorists and stand up against these actions. It should not matter who is torturing who, it is illegal. It is a wonder that you die hard "americans" are all to willing to break the laws of the land. You sink as low as the enemy then ask everyone to look at you like your a hero. But you are nothing but a two bit criminal just like them.

  • Posted By: Madisonman @ 01/14/2009 5:38:44 PM

    isn't it interesting how Mr. Ratner and Mr. Roth are so against our efforts to defend the American people. They seem to have lost perspective completely. It's not the men or organizations who murdered thousands of people on 9/11 that are wicked. It's the men who dared to waterboard the master mind of the terror attack. Unlike him we didn't murder thousands, But Ratner and Roth seem to think we are more wicked. Of course, how dare we make him uncomfortable. . .that is awful. Perhaps if we just sit down over milk and cookies he would have told the truth and given up all that he knows. It's not not the terrorists that send young children to blow themselves up and kill many innocent men, women and children that are bad. . .it's Bush and Cheney, because they've dared to imprison some. How awful. Let them go free. Unfortunately, it will be other families that will pay the awful price if these men walk free. I wonder, if Mr. Roth's or Mr. Ratner's children or spouses were killed or maimed, would they still act and speak in such a vulgar fashion concerning those that protect them? Would that they were as concerned for the women, children and men who have been needlessly and brutally slaughtered or maimed as they are for those who continue to murder and maim.

  • Posted By: asclepious @ 01/11/2009 7:31:43 PM

    The sooner they can be brought before international tribunals, the sooner we can put paid to the debt we owe the worl for our criminal behavior!

  • Posted By: RayG01 @ 01/01/2009 3:32:04 PM

    Bill Clinton's administration will be remembered most for its corruption, and of course the impeachment.

    Obama's own political background is murky at best, and he's already tracking soiled footprints into the oval office with his Chicago Democrat pedigree - the most notoriously corrupt political machine in America for decades - and his connection to Blago.(Not to mention Rezko, et al.)

    And the media is searching for something to pin on the Bush administration, however vague, silly or abstract.

    And they wonder why their readership is in such bad shape, and no one trusts the media in general.

  • Posted By: NO2WAR @ 12/31/2008 10:31:26 AM

    Send the entire Bush Crime Family to jail where they belong!

  • Posted By: dekkerink @ 12/31/2008 8:57:45 AM

    I'm no constitutional scholar, but I don't think the President can pardon himself. Also I don't think Bush cares that he can't travel abroad. he never did before he was president so why should he now?

  • Posted By: D_Toad @ 12/29/2008 1:57:58 AM

    Gal ass,
    Why don???t you spend some time reading any thing but Faux.

    "how do you know there have been people killed by the US in confinement? This is the first I have heard of this."
    Even the Main Stream Media has reported on this subject for the last couple of years.

    "it (Iraq)didn't have a Constitution or Rule of Law for 30 years under Saddam.???
    Incorrect. Iraq had a constitution that had to be usurped by the American Occupation before the elections could take place.
    The rights of women were guaranteed, as were religious tolerance for Jews and Christians living in the country. Where the constitution fell down was in the ability of the executive(dictator) to override the rule of Law. You know??? kind of like George has been doing for the last 8 years.

    ???The infrastructure was crumbling when the US arrived ?????? Do you think that this could also be attributed to the previous 10 years of daily bombing or maybe the decade long blockade on all non-humanitarian buying, or maybe the rape of the oil sales by the US and its allies? If not you have a very limited understanding of investment in infrastructure. In our country the same crumbling is going on because of greed in the financial sector. We are lucky because the airforce is not bombing things yet.

    ???millions of Iraqis has already fled to the Shia camps inside Iran ??? This was going on after the USA reneged on promises to support an uprising. You don???t want to piss of a dictator with out your own big bully to support you. We promised and we didn???t follow through. With out this betrayal, none of the crap about the Shia or the Kurds would have blown up.

    ???we're not going to let you get by with putting all of your strong criticism on US troops.??? Please read the article again. There are no mentions of US troops. It is true that the ones that ??? followed (illegal) Orders from the people mentioned in the article may face prosecution. It is against the law to follow illegal orders.
    War crimes are war crimes and are defined in US and International law. Any order to commit such acts is illegal. Most troops had training that told them torture is illegal and knew in broad terms what was meant by torture.

    By the way you do know that this same kind of mistreatment is carried out in our own prisons, It is illegal here too.

    ???Much of what you decry never existed or had already happened.??? Clearly you don???t have the information you need. Why don???t you try reading some of the article on buzzflash.com for a week. ? It would change your life if you are just ignorant instead of being a lying troll.

    Have a great day
    :D


    • Posted By: Galasso @ 12/30/2008 8:31:10 AM

      I am basing my comments on recent (four) tours in Iraq not counting the time we spent with the UN in the early 1990's with the weapons inspections teams. The infrastructure - notably the electric grid and the water supply - was in horrible shape. You have no idea how bad the hospitals and medical response was - even before the first war in 1991. Just ask any Iraqi who made it back from the Iranian border arfea. Most of the country's treasure was headed to military arms and equipment and to sustain Saddam and his sychophants. The water that fed the marsh Arabs was diverted and the area eventually dried up. Maliki is trying to correct that now. The invasion in Iraq was very bad foreign policy but for those of us who were stuck with the aftermath and who have tried to help the Iraqis in putting something back instead of continually wrecking what Saddam allowed to deteriorate - the rebuilding of schools, the communications facilities - before the US arrived no Iraqi was even allowed to have a cell phone - and for the genuine effort many young Americans have made a valiant attempt in-country to put another face on the US - your comments are specious and reflect the vitriol of a coward hunkered over a computer who knows nothing of what has occurred for the past several years. Have you even been to Iraq? I suppose not - and I doubt seriously you would know what to do when you arrived. Lombardi said there were three kinds of people - the kind who make things happen, the kind who watch things happen and the kind who don't know what's happening. I think you must know where you fall in that continuum. After hours of conversations with courageous Iraqis who explained in graphic detail what happened to their families over the past decades under Saddam, we all agree that the US make an egregious error in how the war was handled. But your assertion that Iraq was a pristine country before the US invaded is laughable. Why don't you close your computer screen and grab a shovel and a tool bag, go to Iraq and do something useful for the first time in your life?

  • Posted By: Phoenix09 @ 12/29/2008 4:27:20 PM

    Thank you for a well-written piece. I see by a couple of comments already made here that you have hit a tender nerve. For those of us who truly love this country, a full accounting of the allegedly criminal and morally reprehensible actions of the Bush administration would be welcome.

    • Posted By: brydges @ 12/29/2008 4:38:21 PM

      "allegedly criminal" - this would be a more apropiate title to this article. "The Noose Tightens" clearlly shows Newsweeks political agenda. If the Left wing wants to stop the imorality of the right wing as they see it then they should stop using the very tactics they complain about

  • Posted By: Phoenix09 @ 12/29/2008 4:26:22 PM

    Thank you for a well-written piece. I see by a couple of comments already made here that you have hit a tender nerve. For those of us who truly love this country, a full accounting of the allegedly criminal and morally reprehensible actions of the Bush administration would be welcome.

  • Posted By: brydges @ 12/19/2008 3:39:40 PM

    For the egos on this site lets simplify what you have said. You would rather see innocent American Men Woman and Children die (maybe your own family) in another terrorist attack rather then torture a few people (deservingly or not). Even you brainwashed dumbasses know that is hypocritical

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 12/19/2008 4:25:44 PM

      Let's simplify what Brydges has to say:

      "I am so terrified of terrorists that I will throw away every principle America has stood for these last 220 years."

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/20/2008 12:43:49 PM

        Terrorists don't scare me or have the ability to ruin this country as much as egotystical hypocrits like yourself

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/22/2008 11:35:10 AM

          Rubbish. Your every post speaks to your abject, pants-crapping terror.

          • Posted By: brydges @ 12/23/2008 9:44:12 AM

            No it's called honesty don't confuse the two. I know honesty is a tool libtards don't use very often. Every one of your posts show your stupidity and lack of character. Grow up and think for yourself, all you self righteous bloggers are only here to satsfy some senses of worth because mommy didn't love you or whatever. too bad all you will be is an idiot on rag piece of s*** news sites blog

            • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 2:01:05 PM

              "No it's called honesty don't confuse the two."

              No, it's called abject cowardice.

              • Posted By: brydges @ 12/29/2008 4:06:29 PM

                Yes of course anyone that stands up for themselves outside the left wing nazi agenda is a coward or a racist. How do see with your head so far up your a**

        • Posted By: weathered @ 12/20/2008 3:18:06 PM

          Terrorists DO run this country, and they lie about it every day and you believe the lies. I am far more afraid of American Government than a "terrorist" attacking me.

    • Posted By: Atlas Scruggs @ 12/20/2008 10:28:17 PM

      For starters, all those innocent people died because the administration was too damn lazy to lift a finger to prevent it. The FBI knew about that plot two years in advance and knew by February that the plotters had moved into the U.S.. The CIA was screaming into the administration's ear from at least June on that we were about to be attacked. So why was not one single thing done by the administration?

      Now watch this drive.

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/23/2008 9:47:44 AM

        So many things wrong with that statement It's not woth a comeback. Thanks for making me feel even more intelligent. How did you even start your computer?

    • Posted By: jammni @ 12/19/2008 4:19:33 PM

      For the sake of brydges, who seems to need it, let's go ahead and simplify this even further: you would torture innocent people to meet your ends. That about says it all for me.

      • Posted By: mceltix2000 @ 12/20/2008 9:15:26 AM

        I'd torture EVERY muslim in order to protect (1) American child. Then again, I believe we are better than them. You disagree.

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/22/2008 11:35:50 AM

          You just proved that you really aren't better than them.

        • Posted By: Atlas Scruggs @ 12/20/2008 10:31:00 PM

          That in itself makes you at least as bad as "they" are, if not worse, because we have all the creature comforts and "they" are struggling. No excuse.

    • Posted By: bspencerco @ 12/20/2008 4:56:24 PM

      Let's see, the cost of the bailout of Bush and Cheney's closest friends' scams cost far more than the loss in economic terms of the world trade center. The murder of over 100,000 Iraqi's due to our invasion of their country is close to 50 times the number of American's lost in 9/11 (not to mention more soldiers have died in Iraq than were killed on 9/11). Our country's leaders have lost all semblense of "morality" that they so frequently profess.

    • Posted By: pjones006 @ 12/19/2008 6:31:36 PM

      Your argument is weak and is counterproductive according to most experts involved in interrogation. I suppose your "dumb a**" can use the reasoning of protecting women and children to justify just about anything. Too bad brydges, our country is much better then the depths in which people like you wish to take it.

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/20/2008 12:26:07 PM

        what would all you hate mongers do if me and the other people in touch with reality were gone. would you then turn your hate on these fine upstanding citizens of foreign countries as you would caLL them, or would you actually have to look at yourselfs in the mirror. Does America have enough Shrinks for that?

  • Posted By: david latner @ 12/21/2008 11:15:49 AM

    Because US politics are so highly partisan, I think that all articles should list the political affiliations and philosophies of the journalists and of the people they quote, so readers can better decide understand the article, and value or devalue it as news/editorial etc. I began reading this as a news article, but the one sided nature of the quotes, and the writer's last sentence "Jail time it isn't - but it may be some justice nonetheless." makes it appear that he has already decided that Rumsfeld et al are guilty of war crimes, and is indulging in a polemic.

    • Posted By: Lariokie @ 12/28/2008 6:16:16 PM

      Excellent idea! It must, of course, apply to Faux "News" as well, right. Or are you one of those who believe only the Left must be tattooed?

      • Posted By: brydges @ 12/29/2008 4:02:30 PM

        That's not what he said, why so defensive because it's true

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 12/25/2008 2:40:15 PM

      Welcome to NewsWEAK. Well said.

  • Posted By: pdennany @ 12/21/2008 1:33:59 PM

    A pardon will have no value, as GeorgeBush himself was personally involved in the crimes, making his pardons wasted paper., When the events of 9-11 are finally recognized as the US covert operation that it was, by a truly independant prosecuter, every policy change (including the Patriat Act and the hoax war on terror and bluildup of defense and intel agencies) since Bush/Cheny took over the Whitehouse will be subject to reviewand hopefully ultimate reversal.

    • Posted By: brydges @ 12/28/2008 11:22:22 AM

      I have som magic beans for sale too

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/29/2008 9:51:22 AM

        Oh that certainly added a logic to your argument. Would you like a GI Joe to play with as well?

        • Posted By: brydges @ 12/29/2008 4:01:41 PM

          Calling my insult out with lack of logic and then sending me an insult makes you look unintelligent. Besides why would confront pure idiocy with logic. you wouldn't know logic if I put in your kerry

  • Posted By: rabryan @ 12/23/2008 5:59:35 PM

    The real torture is reading some of the statements in the blog. While I appreciate free speech, some of bloggers from each side should refrain from submitting anything until they can learn to construct a complete sentance and formulate a conent thought. Profanity and vitriolic spew do nothing to convince anyone of the writer's passion or conviction to a particular point of view it only highlights their lack of intelligence. The civilized world will ultimately judge the actions of the US leaders over the past eight years. We will be paying for their misdeeds for years to come. Those that might argue that it does not matter what the rest of the world thinks, need only look at how flat the world now is to understand the real impact on future generations.

    • Posted By: brydges @ 12/28/2008 11:21:25 AM

      You are an egotystical moron. The reason you don't see constructive thought in this comment is because you neither deserve or could understand such a thing.

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/29/2008 9:50:32 AM

        Actually he labeled you correctly and you have no facts to disprove what rabryan said.

        • Posted By: brydges @ 12/29/2008 3:59:33 PM

          and you have no fatcs to prove what he said. Good argument, I hope didn't go to school in the U.S.

  • Posted By: BOFORCE @ 12/25/2008 7:12:31 PM

    Bush.,Cheny,Rumsfield...........they all should be hanged by construction crane in public...these son of bichs don't need any trial everyone in the world knows that they are responsible of 600000 plus deaths

    • Posted By: brydges @ 12/28/2008 11:19:03 AM

      Dude come back to reality it's not so bad.

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 12/29/2008 9:48:59 AM

        Reality - Bush has killed more innocent people than bin Laden and has made Halliburton rich, which is not head quartered outside the US to avoid taxes. And more reality - Cheney is a draft dodger, he never served a day.

        • Posted By: brydges @ 12/29/2008 3:58:05 PM

          Thanks for proving my point. There is no reason to even comeback to that. Everything you said is BS. Do you even read news other then this liberal propaganda.

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