The Noose Tightens

for the people on here that advice torturing it is easy to see that niether one of them has ever been any where near the military and it is equally plain to see why one is so worried about someone else hurting his kids he reserves that right for himself and jealously guards it so that others will not get to share in the fun. Naught naughty how unamerican not to share...I can not think of anything more of a torture than to have a parent who is so ignorant, so scared, and such a panzy a$$ that all they can think of doing is torturing people. Gotta wonder how many fingers he cuts off of his kid when they don't salute he just right after they are tortured by him. Watch for his kids in the near future coming to a a prison near you brought to you by their father the "macho redneck cluess hero of the world" saving america one torture at a time.

Bush, Cheney and his terrorist cronies nee to all be put on trial for war crimes and then face severe physical punishment. I suggest daily waterboarding for 50 years.

It might be wise for Bush not to pardon these people. Why? If they are not pardoned, they will stick together and refuse to testify against anyone, including Bush, on Fifth Amendment grounds. If Bush does pardon them, they will be free of prosecutorial jeopardy and will lose their Fifth Amendment privilege. They could then be forced to testify against anyone, particularly Bush. Conceivably, Bush could be the only one to get a no-jail deal from the prosecutor-his defense would be that he never had criminal intent, he was misled by the others (blame the lawyers, here), and it would be bad precedent to prosecute a former president for actions taken while in office-as long as he testifies against the others whom he left without pardon. What a wonderful trap these gangsters have created for themselves!

Cudos "olderwiser" - I couldnt have said it better. People should realize that torture doesnt work and that our govt should hold itself to the highest regards when it comes to laws, including the Intl ones we have signed. If we dont, we are no dffierent fromt he terrorists. Everyone should be equal under the law and I mean EVERYONE. The world will respect us more for it.

They will never find jury to convict them. At least 4 of 12 will be against conviction.

Rifkin says that they needn't account for the acts because they've already quit it. Let's see, now, if a bank robber quits robbing banks before they catch him, then there is no need for him to account for it. This will put criminal defense lawyers out of business. Whatever you did, when the police come to the door, just say, "I already quit".

Malikrose#, I agree with you. I live in the US.
May I add that most Americans would also agree with you.
I am appalled at mceltix's comment.

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft, and all of the Bush Thug Squad should be tried as war criminals. If America wants to regain its lost moral credibility with the world, we can't go after other countries' war criminals and merely pat ours on the head.

O.J., Mike Vick and Marion Jones are doing time for (respectively): Kidnapping when no one was taken. Shooting dogs when people are still allowed to hunt. Using basically the same performance enhancers that her competition is using . When there are bigger fish to fry out here.
If they let these guys go...I say they all should go.

One more thing, what's with this pardon the guilty thing. That is absolute nansense. Wake up America, this is abuse of power. We need to grow a set of balls and stop all this bullshit.

Should President Bush pardon officials prior to leaving office, then a Truth and Reconciliation type approach would be what we need. There would be a difference between a US Commission and the SA Commission. In South Africa, people who told the truth to the Commission were exempt from prosecution. In an American Commission, if done properly, those who lie would be in jeopardy of prosecution for perjury.

NYMA

All these cases are being re-instated so that Bush can pardon them, shall they come after he leaves the office. Even a system is in works where day before last, Bush will go to hospital and cheney will pardon him and then Bush will come back and pardon Cheney.
These crooks know how to beat the system, and I know how to imagine and you knlow when karl Rove and Bush use these tricks. HEHEHE

this kind of stuff has been going on for a long time and why now chose to do something about it. The US isn't the only country that practices this kind of treatment. I believe it is being done now to make the new admistration(spelling) look good, just liket he bail out plan it seems the dems in Congress are trying to wait for BO to take office. What a bunch of turkey turds, cow pies, road apples or just plain poop this is. The man isn't even in office and the way people are going on you would think he layed a golden egg. I did not for vote for but will wait and see what and how he does. I know the cabinet he picked is not what I expected of him. As always just my opinion.

At a minimum, there must be a real truth and then reconciliation commission; with these dispicable people demonstrating some real contrition and some serious begging for forgiveness! Then they can be properly ostracized and relegated to the cesspools of their criminal minds for the duration of their miserable lives!

We must prosecute all of those who commited fellonies on our behalf.
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I firmly believe that prosecution for war crimes is absolutely necessary. Any other course, including "truth and reconciliation" commission, sends the message that torture, extraordinary rendition, black hole prisons, and other tactics used by Bush-Cheney, are OK because no one will face criminal charges. The Rifkin argument would exonerate Nazi atrocities because the gas chambers "have been abandoned." If US courts do not prosecute, it is certain that international courts will take up the matter. Pinochet's fate awaits!

Peter Takács

United States legal establishment does not have the moral courage or rectitude to rise above national intetrest in order to try their own leaders for wrong doing for the sake of restoring justice to non US citizens. With out bias, only the British legal system is capable of aspiring to such heights. The British legal system has demonstrated such capability on several occasions in the past.

Bush Sr. with his dirty dealings worldwide brought terrorism here and
his son just magnified that. They are laughing all the way to their
Dubai Banks!!!! They are blood brothers to the worst sect of
Islamist radicals the Saudi's. They are the most abusive culture
and nobody says a word about it. The next problem to watch
and remove is Fox News because they are the mouthpiece for
all of these disgusting anti-american big oil, pharma, banking, and weapons
manufacturers., They are pure evil and propaganda. Interesting that
last week Bill Oreilly was on NPR disowning the republicans, bush and
saying how wonderful and intellingent Obama and his cabinet are, yet
he goes on Fox News and screams the total opposite - I guess his
mulit-million dollar contract buys this!! Talk about Anti-American.
Fox and the republicans dont care to help fix this horror of a mess
they did to us, they just want to grill Obama and spin scandals for the next
4-8 years. They are not real patriots at all, just backward party liners.