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  • Posted By: etfonedhome @ 12/20/2008 12:35:39 PM

    to all the ladies here,
    although there are few men here who seem think that all women marry for money, please understand that the educated men here do not share that position. however, that said the point that they trying to make(without the intelligence to do so effectivly) is this:
    Some women DO marry for money. those women are no less prostitutes than the women on the strip in vegas. but why is it legal for some but not others?
    and if think that no women marry for money do you truly believe that anna nicole smith was in love? or that all the women in the Playboy mansion are there because Hugh is just a wonderful and loving man?
    these women ARE prostitutes but that is ok because they hide behind the guise of "marriage"
    did you know it is perfectly legal for me to send money to a russia to buy a bride, is she not also a prostitute?
    the disparity here is that the current laws say it is ok to be a prostitute as long as you call it a "marriage"
    case and point: remember that tv show "who wants to marry a millionaire?" do honestly believe those women went on that show to find love? if so you must be very young or very sheltered!
    like i said earlier if a homeless man and a millionaire walk into a bar who leaves with more womens numbers????

    • Posted By: jgholster @ 12/20/2008 4:11:17 PM

      no, I always thought is clear that they were not in love, that it was just for money. I thought it was common knowledge actually. I think that it's wrong. I also think the guys involved know it too and financially whore themselves out. nothing legitimizes anything here though. they are all still doing wrong to eachother. however, they are within the confines of marriage. marriage does mean something. yes, there are cheapening the sanctity and really not living up to the responsibilties. that is too bad. not all women are like that. not all men are like that. most are not quite that selfish. however, those faux examples of marriage does not portray the life of whores, assuming they are only sleeping with eachother as in any healthy marriage.

  • Posted By: kkep it real @ 12/20/2008 1:18:17 PM

    would it really be rape? wouldnt it actually be theft. rape to me is a horrible crime because of the severe emotional trauma victims go through. we know it doesnt bother prostitutes in the same way as normal women or men. theres no way I could ever compare the two as equal when some see there bodies as sacred and some see it as a product to sell.

    • Posted By: jgholster @ 12/20/2008 3:59:37 PM

      wow, good point.

    • Posted By: bac512 @ 12/20/2008 1:26:12 PM

      very true, rape is 'the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.', CLEARLY, if you've negotiated a price, and she accepted, she is not being forced. She has been robbed, or ripped off.

  • Posted By: M.V.Utrillo @ 12/20/2008 1:43:39 PM

    JHutch,

    Get off your high horse. Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound?
    BTW, I am male, I and I don't work or "partake" in this industry, however I am a 'realist'.

    Stop thinking with your psuedo family values, non-sensical christian way of thinking, and get in check the real world!

    Sorry Virginia, mommy and daddy lied there is NO Santa Clause!!

    • Posted By: bac512 @ 12/20/2008 2:04:27 PM

      you did not CHOOSE to be raped. you did not CHOOSE to expose yourself to the risk of these diseases, you did not CHOOSE to take the risk at becoming pregnant. No, rape is not the same. Apparently, you think clouding the issue will win your case. Rape is NOT prostitution, rape is NOT by choice. Does that mean Slavery is the same as volunteering? Come on, focus.. try to stay on the right subject.

      • Posted By: jgholster @ 12/20/2008 3:51:40 PM

        actually some rape (especially in these circumstances) is very preventable--therefore one is CHOOSING to RISK rape. the consequences are sad, but people do make their own choices.

    • Posted By: judson2004 @ 12/20/2008 1:58:07 PM

      Do you really want to live in a world as you have described? You are correct that a part (sadly it seems to be growing) of society feel the way you do. However, put these same people catostrophic or dire situation and they all seem to find some kind of religion. If they don't find at least a temporary spiritual awakening, they certainly don't turn down ALL the services offered by the religios right. I myself am a sinner. I go to church because I am a sinner and need the help Christ can give me. I am no better or worse than you, just more enlightened. For your sake, get off your high horse and leave those of us trying to make this a better place to live. Please pray for me, I am a sinner!!!

  • Posted By: proponet of Proposition K @ 12/20/2008 3:40:56 PM

    Also, the author of this article has the numbers wrong as well. The U.S. Government Accountability Office has stated that the estimates of persons involved in force labor are between 14,500 and 17,500. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06825.pdf.

  • Posted By: cowboy2121 @ 12/20/2008 12:09:33 PM

    mzsantana fyi i was a soldier for 5 yrs and in law enforcement for 8 i think i have more then enough skills and since i am retired at age 40 i think i did pretty well with the jobs i chose

    • Posted By: jgholster @ 12/20/2008 3:38:49 PM

      cowboy2121,
      fyi, as an enlistee, I know that anybody in the enlisted military can retire as early as age 37 without having even done that well.. maybe just an E-5. you're quite arrogant and I know you don't and won't have healthy relationships. poor guy

    • Posted By: MzSantana @ 12/20/2008 12:11:10 PM

      I wasn't talking about you...I was talking about the hookers :-)

  • Posted By: proponet of Proposition K @ 12/20/2008 3:37:12 PM

    The Author's statement that: "On Nov. 4, San Franciscans voted down a proposal that would have prevented city government from using city funds to prosecute either johns or prostitutes." Is incorrect. Please refer to the actual language of the Proposition K http://espu-ca.org/wp/?page_id=173

  • Posted By: techresmgt @ 12/19/2008 8:57:38 PM

    Maybe 'johns' should protest to garner a few rights. That idea is no more absurd than the one presented in this story.

    • Posted By: pasha2patek @ 12/20/2008 8:38:53 AM

      Combining child pornography, human trafficking and prostitution under the same laws is at best obfuscation and at worst idiotic. Child pornography should be vigorously prosecuted under existing child abuse laws, and laws against kidnapping and forced labor should be applied aggressively to cases of human trafficking. The perpetrators of either crime should be severely punished . Pimps who force women/girls into prostitution by force, coercion, fear, drug addiction or subterfuge should be treated as human traffickers and punished accordingly. Consensual sex between a prostitute and her client should be decriminalized. A woman/man who freely chooses to provide sexual favors and erotic pleasure in exchange for money should not be prosecuted but should register as a sex worker, be licensed and regulated within the parameters of the "profession" which should include regular and strict health check-ups etc.
      In case of crimes against prostitutes the victims can freely report the assault and seek medical attention without fear of prosecution, just like any citizen would. This would certainly diminish the gratuitous violence against prostitutes, if the assailant knew that his crime will be reported and prosecuted. The police would also be able to check licenses when appropriate just as they do for traffic violations. Legalizing and regulating prostitution will remove the profit incentive of panderers and pimps and significantly diminish the crimes associated with this activity. Think Abolition and all the crimes associated with it, and how it changed after Abolition was repealed. Smugglers and bootleggers had no more profit, the government regulated the quality of booze and its price, and taxed it! And society did not implode. explode or fall into the abyss of sin. Today, legitimate providers of Alcohol are everywhere (Bars, restaurants,shops) and people freely choose to consume alcohol or not, and if they misbehave while drinking/drunk there are laws to deal with that, just are there are laws to deal with public lewdness. Prostitution is not a moral issue, it is a social issue and should be debated freely without the murkiness of religiosity.

      • Posted By: Brian33 @ 12/20/2008 12:23:50 PM

        pasha2patek:

        Part 1:

        You say that Prostitution is not a moral issue, but I disagree. Morality is in the eye of the beholder, and which is why I believe that prostitution should be legal, simply because you cannot legislate morality in my opinion. However, just like prostitution is a moral issue, so is alot of other issues as well. Drugs and one you mentioned , child pornography. Child pornography like prostitution are huge industries where even though they are both criminalized, they flourish. In alot of ways you can draw parallells to the two. For those of you who disagree, let me ask you this. There was a person earlier on this board that said prostitution has gone on since the days of cavemen. Well, what I can tell you is, just because cavemen didn't have cameras and the internet, there was alot child molesting going on as well, just like prostitution. And I would dare to say that it was probably going more then than it is now, just for the fact that back then there was no stigma against it, and there was no huge government regulation and enforcement like there is today. There is only one difference, is that prostitution of a certain age of consent vs a child that someone who would say cannot consent. But that opens the argument of what is consent, which in some countries is as young as 12.

        For all those who want to demonize me for mentioning these issues can put a sock in it. We live in a country where if a man were to touch a child sexually, then the government and peoiple want to throw him in jail for the next 25 years and crucify him, but yet Andrea Yates a mother of 5 young boys can forcibly drown her kids in a bathtub and she gets to go to a mental rehab where they routinely go to parks and go shopping in the mall. And you call me the one who is messed up? Please. People in this country really have to get their priorities and thinking straight if you want anyone out here to abide by the laws you speak of wanting to be enforced. You can't legislate morality, period.

        • Posted By: jgholster @ 12/20/2008 3:13:44 PM

          Brian33,
          how in the world would you know that there was no stigma against child molesting/pornography in the "caveman" days???? of course there was---parents even then wouldn't have wanted their young children having sex. yes, there were funny sex rituals fo the pagans, yes, people did bad things then too, but that didn't make it right. even in the bible, people did bad things... just because it's mentioned in the bible or "people have been doing it for a long time," does not make it right! people are sinful. people were sinful then, people are sinful now. we will always be. that is not cause to give in to sin... it's means to fight it.

          i don't think you should be demonized as you suggested; i understand what you are saying. yates also did something really wrong. however, what she did does not legitimize others' wrong-doings. she maybe didn't get the sentence she should have.... but let's still hold ourselves and society accountable for what we are responsible for.

  • Posted By: TheNonconsumptionalist @ 12/20/2008 2:55:24 PM

    I wont post much now because roamy9 said it all.
    But 1 further point is this is one of the last vestiges of BLUE LAWS from The Cristian Intolerance Movement and id like to see it die on that account also.

  • Posted By: bf08 @ 12/20/2008 5:50:21 AM

    PART 2...

    I'll tell you how whores and their "johns" can stay safe: they can choose to not participate in prostitution. These ???people??? know the risks when they get involved in prostitution. THEY make the choice to take part in it. They are not forced (most of the time) so don???t feel bad for them. Prostitution is a sickening industry which invites the worst kinds of people to do the worst kinds of things. It is responsible for the spreading of many diseases, abandoned illegitimate children, whores murdered because they charged too much, broken families, and rapid decay of all societies that condone it.

    Calling something evil ???good??? does not make it good. If society is to survive, it must take moral initiative. There are laws based on the general consensus of morality as perceived by all of humanity through the ages, and it is absolutely necessary for the survival of a society to enforce those laws, even if it is difficult and costly and dangerous to do so. Once you erase the line between right and wrong, who should have the final say in where it is re-drawn? It would be hypocritical and discriminatory to say that prostitution should be legalized, but then tell others that their currently-illegal lifestyle should stay illegal. Once we start down this path, we can never get off it. We will erase law after law until eventually all that's left is chaos. To see how accepting people have become of things that have been considered wrong as far back as the historical records go is like witnessing a harbinger of hell on earth. I am ashamed to share genomic codex with such dregs.

    • Posted By: roamy9 @ 12/20/2008 2:48:53 PM

      part three

      No one is talking about allowing trafficking of children, legalizing child porn, or legalizing women exploitation against an adult female's will (not exploitation of children) or other crimes related to it. We are talking about legalizing prostitution between consenting adults, not children. And then we were talking about the crimes committed against women in those professions, which extended to trafficking, child exploitation, which clearly, is wrong. I did mention age with trafficking, but I was stretching it by implying that traffickers would have to fly right and abide by the rules- if you limit the age of trafficking to adults and you only "traffic" consenting adults, then what you have really is a brothel, not exploitation, abuse or crime. I know no woman says, hey I want to be a prostitute, but there are women who are in the profession and never got out of it, who made bad decisions and got into trouble. I was saying that even pimps would have to come clean- so that would mean not forcing someone into it, beating them up when they do not make enough money, etc. I was just saying that since a long time ago, prostitution was a problem and it did not stop people from doing it- people pay for sex if it is available and they want to pay and since there are women who do it for whatever reasons. If prostitution is legalized, then there will be laws to regulate it and surely that will include age limits, other boundaries, laws and expectations. By the way, child exploitation in this country is illegal, while in other countries it is not. No one is saying go ahead, rape a child or adult female, sell them as slaves or sell them to "houses" of prostitution. We are talking about sex between consenting adults which some people pay for. Adults between adults, not adults and underaged people.

    • Posted By: roamy9 @ 12/20/2008 2:48:32 PM

      Part two...
      So why not regulate prostitution so people cannot exploit children or women restricting what traffickers do? What they really do is they make them do something against their will and they do it by putting them in a position where they are exploited repeated and continually exposed to violence by either the trafficker or client. At least an adult knows what they are getting into and can decide for themselves, a child cannot. As long as there are males and females, there is going to be sex.

      Certainly, we know people have sex before marriage males and females alike since we talk about it, since there are teen pregnancies, single moms and dads and plenty of people dating around, unmarried people talking about their experiences with sex. Children are molested even in family homes and women are raped or otherwise abused every day. Just no one talked about it then like we do today. Prostitution has been around for a long time, probably since people discovered sex. You cannot tell me that men were faithful to women, women were faithful to them this whole time of human existence and everyone waited for marriage. In fact, in some cultures, male relationships with men are more important that with women. They marry to have children, but they go clubbing with other men and to have sex. That is in some cultures and within marriage to a woman. In some cultures, it is a man's wealth that is determined by how many wives he has. What is rare is the woman who has marriage to multiple men. But it happens. Idiotic and careless? Try getting real with what is really happening in the world as well as what happened in the past with Ancient Rome with men and women, other cultures with concubines, courtisans.. Sumer (2300 BC) one of the kings abolished polyandry... According to the bible, there were two different kinds of prostitutes: one who solicits for exchange of goods and a sacred prostitute (a male or female) who had sex with worshippers of a god or goddess because they believed the offering would bring them good materials later. Prostitution has been written in every culture throughout history, only now we talk about it more.

    • Posted By: roamy9 @ 12/20/2008 2:46:13 PM

      Lilith was made from the same way Adam was in the garden of Eden, equal parner, equal temptation to sin. Eve was made later and from Adam's ribs bc Lilith was banished from the garden. New scrolls found in recent research indicated new "stories" from biblical times that there were ???two??? women for Adam and that Lilith as the jealous one, was symbolized as the snake or as a woman who enticed and tricked men into sin. There are some other theories about who Lilith was, if she really existed, and what it all meant, where it all fits. But we know Eve was tempted by sin too. Man is human, so is woman and we make the humankind together and we are all susceptible to sin..

      There are plenty of people who love sex, males and females, as humans are naturally interested in sex. But some pay for it. How they ???pay for it??? matters? If some adult is selling it and some adult wants to buy, the exchange will take place. Golddiggers are willing to sacrifice sex to get money and don???t really care about the person they are involved with as long as she gets what she wants. Some women date many men to ???get money??? while having the appearance of a ???relationship???, so do men who don???t want a commitment, but date a lot of women having sex with all of them and some who give women money for reasons such as ???helping them pay their bills???. Some people in committed relationships use men for money still, while the men mess around too. Adultery and money issues are the main reasons people divorce. Dating and marriage really is not different from prostitution when people ARE using people (regardless of real feelings for the other person or not) for what they do not get at home or for the money they want, with the exception of ???quality relationship content and behaviors??? of those who are committed and loyal to each other. In the prostitute exchange, it is just in exchange for sex and money without the hassle of relationship behaviors.

      Face it: some marry for money, security, obligation, to not be in the dating game anymore, to not be alone all the time, for procreation etc., while others marry because they believe they found the right partner, believe they are in love for sure and that have an understanding that both will devote their time to the quality of the relationship and future family that both will and want to take care of together. So the absence of commitment or with the intention of a possible future relationship in the ???traditional sense??? makes any other exchange wrong? Sorry, but the majority of the population has had sex before marriage, well before it was out in the open. The stuff people do in between is shopping for that person- just some do not shop in one place all the time. People who buy sex are only shopping for sex. People who commit crimes related to it are doing it for the money in the exchange for sex only.

  • Posted By: pookie2001in @ 12/20/2008 2:45:12 PM

    Let me elaborate... You cannot regulate an unethical decision. Think of this...

    Let's suppose they legalize prostitution. They regulate it.There will always be underground rings that will be breaking the law. The price to obtain services in a "legal" way will go up. Because of this underground market, there will be victims. Women will still be forced into the buisiness, ect... There will be doctors that will be paid to test the women for std's so that the underground market can assure their clients it's safe. People are hurt and affected because of the greed and selfishness to make money. When money is involved and people are the commodity, there are always going to be victims. This makes the decision to legalize it to be ethically irresponsible.

  • Posted By: bac512 @ 12/20/2008 1:18:19 PM

    very well said RealityCheck... (to the others) if you're speeding (ohh, I know, you don't do that, cause it's illegal...) and someone merges in front of you, at the speed limit, and you run into them.... who's fault is it? wouldn't you want to be protected if that happens? have your health needs taken care of? Sure your insurance tell you to forget it, cause, after all, what you were doing WAS illegal......

    Are the people that use their bodies, their skills to entertain people playing professional sports just objects? should they have their rights of protection taken away too? Again, you're separating sex from everything else based on YOUR feelings towards it.... I'll admit, I wouldn't want my children or family out there, but again, that's based on my opinions, I have no less respect for a person doing that than working anywhere else. He/She is still a person, just trying to make their way in this world. You don't know what they've been through, what chose that life style for them..

    • Posted By: jgholster @ 12/20/2008 2:36:56 PM

      Hey--uh--not an accurate analogy there..... if one is speeding and gets hurt or hurts others, they are shunned. yes, they get medical care, but not extra special care that the prostitutes are looking for. we do NOT prosecute the or shun a football player for getting hurt because he's not doing anything wrong to begin with. it's not "personal feelings" about prositution that bothers us narrow-minded individuals, it's spiritual conviction. crazy, insane godly conviction. if you play with fire (knowing full well that it is hot) and get burned, you should be able to get medical help, you should be able to even cry about it, but to do it over and over again and get the same results ---disease, abuse...death---is only to literally define insanity!

  • Posted By: amethyst211 @ 12/20/2008 2:31:30 PM

    Let me begin by saying that this whole thing is absoultley insane...wanting to leaglize prostitution is not and weill not make anything safer for anyone, the girls/women who do this for a living are not looked at as people by the johns who are paying them for their services, and these johns are never going to respect a female who does this type of work...so they are going to continue to feel that they can take and do whatever they feel fit to these types of women. Second of all a women who claims rape that is a prostitute is hard to determine the weather or not they are telling the truth because of the repuuation that people have placed on them. I dont belive that it is okay for anyone too rape or physically harm any individual no matter what occupation they choose to do. But all in all legalizing prostitution will not make anything safer for anyone...the females who choose to do this type of work know full hand what risks they are taking

  • Posted By: pookie2001in @ 12/20/2008 2:29:47 PM

    Whatever the issue is, it comes down to making ethical decisions. Ethical decisions transcend religion and political viewpoints. We have become a selfish society. People put their own needs and wants at the front of their decision making. A truly ethical person does not do this. An ethical person does not justify decisions to make it seem that their choice is fine. An ethical person looks at the true impact of their decision on the lives and well being of others An example of a justification is the comment of men being programmed for sex as an excuse for either endorsing prostitution, child pornography, or affairs outside of marriage. This is a selfish motive, not a selfless one. When a person makes the decision to go that route, it is selfish with the intent to fill their need for sexual satifaction over the feelings/ best interest of other people. Selfish motives are never productive for the good of our society, the future of our children, and our very humanity, which seperates us from the animals.

    I don't buy the fact that legalizing is going to solve the problem. Ethically, this is a justification that just doesn't up. Thanks for the time you took to read my thoughts. I hope at the very least it has made you look at the truth of the situation. I ask you to look into your heart and find the truth their. By the way, I am not religious at all. I am agnositic. I believe the world would be a better place if everyone would take even a moment to look outside of themselves and do a true selfless act of kindness, not because they are going to get something from it, but because it will help another. This simple truth is within the hearts and minds of many. This gives me hope of living in a world where peopl are no longer selfish. Then and only then will everyone's needs be fullfilled. Ironic isn't it?

  • Posted By: peterkhamashta @ 12/20/2008 2:29:11 PM

    It is the oldest job in the history of mankind and always it is prosecuted by the man.
    By making it legal and certified and always the sex workers are medicaly inspected will avoid all kind of sex deseases,
    it should be regulated.

  • Posted By: agkcrbs @ 12/20/2008 2:08:36 PM

    Backwards indeed, to speak of reducing the evils of a practice by increasing the practice. It's regrettable yet very obvious that in moral matters, supply creates demand. If we really want to be growing society's demand for prostitution like most of you commenters seem to be saying (thank you, atheism, pop culture, and Internet porn, for giving us people of such upright character), then let's be prepared to deal with the consequences, right? At the very least, let's be honest about what we're doing. This sort of thing damages the institution of marriage worse than even a redefinition of marriage does. Be prepared for your children's spouses to go buy intimacy from the strangers you decriminalized -- if they can stay married at all. Be prepared for married love to be put on the endangered list. Be ready for more one-parent families, and for more of your grandchildren to be raised in homes of addiction.

    Worse, all you who are here so graciously imagining your daughters "unfortunately entering" prostitution, be prepared to see those daughters enslaved to it -- if not physically (as many are), then mentally. Not many shells are harder to crack than the obstinant self-justifying of sex workers who, even when the "necessity" has passed, insist that they have no other choice. All along, they had a choice -- even poverty is a better choice than selling your own soul, and breaking the souls of your many clients. But the sex industry, while it might be an easier option, is never the only industry to find work in, no matter what the economy.

    So be prepared, you advocates of prostitution. It's not a slippery slope -- it's a very gradual change over generations, and it's intentionally chosen -- but it's a slope nevertheless, and we're walking downhill instead of up, back into the depths of the animalism we should be trying to "evolve" out of. Anyway, devolution happens. That's our choice to make, and by these comments, it seems like we've made it. Just be prepared to live in a very, very different world in the future. It's coming, and no guilt-driven ridicule or thoughtless dismissal of the cautions of moralists can avert it.

    • Posted By: Brian33 @ 12/20/2008 2:27:25 PM

      wow, supply creates demand ? I always thought it was the other way around. I am assuming you are not a free market guy , huh ? Because if you are, you just slammed yourself in the face by me using your own argument against you. The demand for a product or service fuels the supply, not the other way around. Remember prohibition with alchohol? They tried taking all the supply away, and it just kept growing regardless. I guess the must have not gotten rid of enough of the supply which is why they had problems. LOL.

  • Posted By: bac512 @ 12/20/2008 2:24:32 PM

    WHY is prostitution illegal? WHO decided this? NOTHING is victimless. I eat at McDonalds everyday, I get fat, I have a heart attack. Shouldn't McDonalds be held liable for that? Smokers give me lung cancer through second hand smoke.. yet, it's still legal. If a stupid person hops in a car, and runs into me, should we make driving illegal? should the act of building a car be illegal? Stupid people, ya can't protect everyone from everything. If it's made illegal, yeah, people are still gunna use the illegal ones, but, there will be smart people out there who use the legal services instead (ya know, the ones you can look up in the phone book, rather than finding as you're driving down the street)... sure health cards can be faked, we're not ELIMINATING problems, we're trying to REDUCE THEM.. People are GOING to do what they want to..... And, if a married man is going to a prostitute, there's OBVIOUSLY something he ain't getting at home, so, because his WIFE (the supposed victim in this) is choosing not to give him what he wants(feels he needs), he should be left to do without? (women, you don't understand men... We go crazy when we ain't getting what we 'need') MY opinion is, legalized, MORE men would do it, SAFER, there would be less hostility among men (women might get a little more hostile, cause they don't like the multiple partner sex thing :) ) prices would drop, we'd start earning frequent flier miles, and occasional free rental, these prostitutes would make more money, could raise their quality of life and quality of service, married partners of those going to them wouldn't have to worry (hey, *I* can live in a fantasy world too, if you can!)

  • Posted By: JCinNY @ 12/20/2008 2:23:50 PM

    "Whores are vulnerable? What about the unsuspecting wives and girfriends of men who pay for sex? No man would feel good knowing his woman paid some guy for sex. Women don't like it either. I know a woman who caught STD from her husband. THIS IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME!!!"

    Those men who are out cheating with prostitutes or just a woman they met at a bar have no respect for their relationship in the first place. If the man is too stupid or reckless to use a condom during his adventures and brings home an STD, then blame him.

  • Posted By: ru4real6846 @ 12/20/2008 2:17:13 PM

    I agree combos9. Marijuana ought to be legal. People get less time in jail for murder, than they do if you get busted for pot. God put pot here on earth. I don't see how our government can make it illegal. Pot is good for a lot of things, especially for pain. I have two degenerated disc in my back and it is very painful. Sometimes pain pills just don't take the pain away, but if I smoke a joint, I don't even think about the pain. When I get stoned, I'm a completely different person. I'm more mellow and whatever I do, I give it 100%. Don't knock smoking pot until you have tried it. A lot of officials get high. When I lived home, I even got stoned with the town cops. I hear that once Obama gets in office, he is going to legalize it. I sure hope so, because it's not as bad as people think.

  • Posted By: goosinki @ 12/20/2008 2:17:10 PM

    what a collective bunch of morons, STD's can be dealt with successfully, duh, requiring regular screening and use of available vaccines is what keeps the "euro sex workers" healthy and profitable. So in reality the STD's are simply not an issue. And if you really want to ensure that everyone is protected just have the "johns and janes" go to certified reference
    labs to be screened prior to any activity, show the card at the door, confirm it is current online and that minimizes risk.
    BTW, the smart, savvy sexually active crowd in Manhatten and other major bergs are doing it already, there is even an HF pin you can wear (herpes free). For those who see tha value of being disease free, the couple goes to a local lab, they
    take the test and give each other their codes to be entered a few days later. The confidential results of the tests are then
    posted online so you can use the code to check and see if your prospective partner is disease free. Sure you have to delay your libidinal pursuits for a few days, but what a relief to know you are linking with someone who is healthy!.
    So there is a viable solution to the sex workers dilemma and that of the singles scene. Stop putting you dumb ass
    parochial head in the sand America!!!!!

  • Posted By: JCinNY @ 12/20/2008 2:16:12 PM

    A wife can also catch an STD from her cheating husband picking up a woman he meets at a bar. If the husband is dumb or reckless enough to cheat without a condom, then blame him, not the other woman or prostitute. Obviously he has no respect for his relationship anyway.

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