The Power Of Prayer

The AIDS ministry is made up of a majority of those that are gay. if that is inclusion I don't know what is. Further just because someone does not agree with you it does not make them a fascist. Of course his goal is to spread his faith and he is a public figure so it would be expected he share in a public arena. Again until you were to educate yourself by attending don't just assume that a two second sound bite represent pastor Rick or the Church. A few minute google search would reveal many evangelicals that think pastor Rick is a bad preacher because he does not spew hate towards gays.

As a member of Saddleback church pastor Rick has never put down Gay or Lesbians ever. Hetrosexual or gay his goal is to spread his faith to others. Further his wife Kay Warren has made it a point much to the dismay of many evangelicals to have AIDS as one of the primary ministries of the church, with her husband they have made it a point to minister to those in need of care, raise funds to find cures and to educate for prevention and that has been totally inclusive of the gay community. Let me repeat that the AIDS ministry has been completely inclusive of the gay community. So to paint Pastor Rick as a hate monger is not even close to the truth. I invite you to actually speak from an educated point of view and attend the church. You will find that no one is put down, you will find a church that calls on its membership to be involved in ministries that help the poor, the addicted and the broken, to go to missions across the world to educate, feed and build communities. You will find that the preconceived notions of hate are just unwarranted. You would find that there are ministries that cater to the gay community as part of the church and would rethink your position. As much as its nice to play victim Christians may not agree with the lifestyle but that is a far cry from hating anyone.

Again its easy to pretend being an authority but unless you have attended the church and listen weekly to him speak you are uninformed. He never. NEVER, spreads hate. He marginalizes no one ever. Its not like ogther right wing evangelists. As a member of Saddleback church pastor Rick has never put down Gay or Lesbians ever. Hetrosexual or gay his goal is to spread his faith to others. Further his wife Kay Warren has made it a point much to the dismay of many evangelicals to have AIDS as one of the primary ministries of the church, with her husband they have made it a point to minister to those in need of care, raise funds to find cures and to educate for prevention and that has been totally inclusive of the gay community. Let me repeat that the AIDS ministry has been completely inclusive of the gay community. So to paint Pastor Rick as a hate monger is not even close to the truth. I invite you to actually speak from an educated point of view and attend the church. You will find that no one is put down, you will find a church that calls on its membership to be involved in ministries that help the poor, the addicted and the broken, to go to missions across the world to educate, feed and build communities. You will find that the preconceived notions of hate are just unwarranted. You would find that there are ministries that cater to the gay community as part of the church and would rethink your position. As much as its nice to play victim Christians may not agree with the lifestyle but that is a far cry from hating anyone.

With all due respect Pastor Rick does not spew hate. Its obvious that you have never attended or listened to his sermons.As a member of Saddleback church pastor Rick has never put down Gay or Lesbians ever. Hetrosexual or gay his goal is to spread his faith to others. Further his wife Kay Warren has made it a point much to the dismay of many evangelicals to have AIDS as one of the primary ministries of the church, with her husband they have made it a point to minister to those in need of care, raise funds to find cures and to educate for prevention and that has been totally inclusive of the gay community. Let me repeat that the AIDS ministry has been completely inclusive of the gay community. So to paint Pastor Rick as a hate monger is not even close to the truth. I invite you to actually speak from an educated point of view and attend the church. You will find that no one is put down, you will find a church that calls on its membership to be involved in ministries that help the poor, the addicted and the broken, to go to missions across the world to educate, feed and build communities. You will find that the preconceived notions of hate are just unwarranted. You would find that there are ministries that cater to the gay community as part of the church and would rethink your position. As much as its nice to play victim Christians may not agree with the lifestyle but that is a far cry from hating anyone.

With all due respect you are uninformed. To say that he is denying basic human rights is to forget the vast amounts of ministries that have helped on all human levels. As a member of Saddleback church pastor Rick has never put down Gay or Lesbians ever. Hetrosexual or gay his goal is to spread his faith to others. Further his wife Kay Warren has made it a point much to the dismay of many evangelicals to have AIDS as one of the primary ministries of the church, with her husband they have made it a point to minister to those in need of care, raise funds to find cures and to educate for prevention and that has been totally inclusive of the gay community. Let me repeat that the AIDS ministry has been completely inclusive of the gay community. So to paint Pastor Rick as a hate monger is not even close to the truth. I invite you to actually speak from an educated point of view and attend the church. You will find that no one is put down, you will find a church that calls on its membership to be involved in ministries that help the poor, the addicted and the broken, to go to missions across the world to educate, feed and build communities. You will find that the preconceived notions of hate are just unwarranted. You would find that there are ministries that cater to the gay community as part of the church and would rethink your position. As much as its nice to play victim Christians may not agree with the lifestyle but that is a far cry from hating anyone.

I meant to say repubssuck hates, hate.

Now don't go throwing around that hate stuff, or they'll just jump on you some more...

By the way, the guy at the house, offered his underaged daughters to the visitors so that they would not have to sin in homosexual union - give me a break. Is that moral???

Thomas Aquinas wrote that any heterosexual union, including sex with a minor girl, was preferable to homosexual, adult, consensual sex.

Let us think rationally about these positions.

God is perfect. The Bible is not - the Bible is his inspired word, but was never meant, nor intenteded to be literally interpreted. There are mistakes and contridictions in the Bible. There is even two accounts of creation. Only one was done in seven day. Even that account was edited by the Priestly Tradition to allow for a day of rest, there are ten majors parts of the cosmos that were created in the Creation account that were editted to be created in six days - the Bible inspired by God, was written by men - and something may be lost in translation.

The Bible is a guide - but do not ask more from it than it can honestly do.

Worship GOD not the Bilbe.

We are all sinners

First, it's just plain not nice to yell...and you are yelling (all caps, bad form). Second...heterosexual people do die of aids every day. Millions of children in other countries besides ours die (other countries count to God, they should count to us), and plenty die here in this country from unprotected, extramarital affairs or sexual relationships. Third--what if they are born that way? What if people were born gay? Are people born with birth defects? Are people born with addictive behaviors? Are people born with a bend towards alcoholism, violent anger, promiscuity, sexual additions?
Yes they are. Every day. We are born into a world of sin. Sin malforms, distorts, disfigures, maligns. Sin steals who we can be,and most of all sin lies. How we are born never excuses us from personal responsibility. And under God's judgment, we are ALL held personally responsible for our behavior. The Bible is the guide, God's rules on paper, and Christ is our savior, allowing us all the opportunity to enter into a real relationship with the Father, paying for our sins (which we can never do, no matter how many good things we do). If we accept Christ as our savior, then we can take steps in our learning to trust God for who He is, and how He created us, and our purpose here in this world. We lay our weaknesses upon Him, and He is good and just and heals us. He gives us strength to move ahead in this broken place, and to love others for Him. Man's laws, no matter how many vote for them, cannot be made that discount our responsibility under God's Law. Homosexuality is wrong under God's law. It's plain, unless we want to rewrite sections of the Bible to suit our own likeness and desires. And then, what kind of god is that? A god made of ourselves. Are any of us worthy of worship?

Please don't stand on the corner shouting into the wind. Instead, step down and love another for Christ. And let Christ work out the details of their healing. We are all broken, and needy, and desperate for a purpose. We'll never find it in sexual gratification (the desire continues, no matter how many times it is satisfied), or any of the other trappings in this place--but we can find it in Him.