The Power Of Prayer

You gays are a trip. Every single time you cannot get your way, we're trampling on your "rights". If you people want play booty-bandit and twat-licker, who cares. But I am stronglly against you calling it marriage. Create a new word or term to describe your union, but leave marriage alone. It is between a man and a woman,...period. I ask you; if you could get all the benefits and privledges marriage offers you by calling it something else, would you?

Consider this carefully, there is a entire culture of Americans who would be willing to support your civil unions with full rights and benefits if you are willing to give in a little and not call it marriage. Trying to force us to accept your re-interpetation of marriage will keep you fighting for years to come. Not to mention the disgust and gay bashing that would probably increase as a result. I personally agree that if you persist in trying to force it on us, you will lose my support and that of many others who don't want to have the traditional meaning of marriage phucked-up just to accomodate your lifestyle. I will support all gays who want full marriage benefits by civil union, but I will turn into your enemy if you force us to accept YOUR re definition of marriage.

Reading these posts is absolutely dismaying. If these posts are an accurate measure of the attitudes prevalent in our American culture, we are in deep trouble.

The religious posturing here is positively painful. Have those of you quoting chapter and verse ever considered what a truly secular nation would look like. I encourage you to read a little book by Phil Zuckerman called Society Without God. Denmark and Sweden are arguably the most secular nations in the west, and they are arguably also the most successful nations on the planet in terms of how well their citizens live. They have high standards of living, high rates of charitable giving, high literacy, extremely low rates of poverty. They take care of their sick, their elderly, their disabled, and their poor much better than we do in this country. By most measures, their citizens are among the happiest on the planet, gays and straights alike. But the vast majority of them do not believe in god--and they seem to get along just fine.

We could learn something from understanding how their societies work. This religious divisiveness is just getting in the way of real progress. We need to abandon it. We don't need it. In my view, we don't need religion anymore.

I got nothing bad to say about gay or lesbian, i don't agree with their lifestyle, but I respect and treat them like a good human being, because whether they know or not that what they do is wrong or not, that is for God to judge, the Bible states plenty about it being a sin, and if a person chooses to live in sin that is their choice and they will answer to God, and explain all they like to Him, again it'a choice, a lot of people make choices in their lives bad and good. Now if they want the marraige defenition to change they can do it, it can be a law on paper on stone, in court or wherever else that they would like it to be changed, but to me in heart i know what marriage means to me, and if i will have children, i will teach them the same way my parents taught me, that marriage is something more then just a partnership to produce children, but the only perfect balance that God created for human beings to live in harmony, and to compliment each other, exists the best between a man and a woman. Now if a law would be created that marriage defenition will be changed, If I will respect the gay and lesbian wishes, then my wishes as a Christian should be respected to. What I mean by that is if two men or women want to get married, then they should build their own "churches" somewhere where they will not have Christians telling them what is wrong and what is right, they should their own priests, write their own Bible, the kind that suits them, and not expect to go to a Christian church who will bless them, because a real God fearing abiding pastor will never agree to get that kind of couple married, that is a fact. I don't care what you do, but in the end when it comes to a judgment day, you will remember a lot of "i told you so's" except the arguments that you use to excuse your behavior of why you became gay or lesbian or "i was born with it" is not gonna fly with God.

HEY ! FOLKS.

WHY DOES SEABISCUIT TAKE EVERYTHING SAID HERE PERSONALLY ?

WHY IS THIS GAY MAN SO UNHAPPY ?

GUILT ?

Reverend Rick Warren is the perfect person to be giving the invocation. He knows and honors God and God's truths. Our nation needs someone who loves God to call upon God's blessings as we are so incredibly self-absorbed and self-driven that we are incurring His wrath. God honors the prayers of the righteous believers, He does not honor those who do not love Him as Lord as well as Savior. Fact is not one of us deserves God's love and heterosexuals are no different than homosexuals related to that. However, as Rick Warren understands, God holds a holy standard for all of us, which is attainable only through Christ's sacrifice for our sakes. Not one of us could meet the standard without.

Also, our nation was founded upon God's truths; all but two of those who signed the Declaration of Independence were evangelical Christians, and obedience to God is written into the document. Separation of church and state was something that the government coined much later.

May God have mercy upon our entire country ~ we need it.

This movement is not about gay rights, it's about forcing everyone to approve of their lifestyle. I don't hear the gays saying too much about muslim beliefs. They don't attack the anti-homosexual, doctrine od the Muslim faith, because they are afraid of the consequences. I am Christian and I don't judge anyone, but the intention of the gay rights movement is just an attempt force an end to the right of people to worship freely. I'll never be force fed your brand of oppression

Then too,gays play both sides of the street. One,that there is no God worth mentioning that will get in the way of their sexual behaviors.[or ''love''which is allowed those as low as dogs], The other,[stupidly and arrogantly advanced by NEWSWEAKS Miller], that Even If There Is A Gawd,He Is OK With Gay Marriage.

Make up your damned minds. As Jesus advances in Matthew and Mark, he is not the ''author of confusion''.[or ,Gr/Lt. 'that which makes ''problem''].

The Levitican Laws do not apply to Christians . Miller should have known this fact. Both Gays and Evangelicals err in applying these strictures to Gentiles.[i.e. ''shellfish'',''menstrating women'', ''man laying as with woman'',and the like]. Jesus never advanced the application of Jewish Law to the Gentiile outside of the original Ten Commandments ,Nor,[as made plain in all of the Jesusian gospels in no fewer than three books of the New Testament],did he advance marriage as between anyone other than a man and a woman. Jesus is thus allright in loving the gay as a person [as ''your neighbor,as yourself''].,but NOT ,embracing ''gay marriage'',which is a thing Jesus refused,openly acknowlaging ''male and female'' as in the OT Genesis 2, which Miller also ignored. Warren Is right on the money here. So is Obama,for this matter.


Gays argue that the Bible is a thing of man. Very well.


But it is to Man that it be interpreted,and it will be not always in the favour that they seek.Gays are trapped between an equisite thing of making.

One:

Are those evangelicals in opposition to gay marriage to be sanctioned or silenced in conflict with the secular guarantees of the US Constitutions Ist Amendment? [thus denying rights].Or,do they allow, under the very same protectiions,a Rev.Gene Robinson arrangement where a Vicar of ''Christ''is in an open unmarried relationship with a gay lover? [Again,make up your damned minds].

Two:

How do gays offer non-secular allowance when every single chapter of the Jewish-Christian Bible remonstrances against gay marriage? [ and where it is allowed,it becomes an interpretation of those who have made such only since the 1980s,let alone the 2000 years before the birth of The Chirst. In other words,a thing made in modern times to not only accomodate modern mores,but revise all that has gone before].

Do not deign to hand me the ''intolerance ''of the ''fundie''. I,in the last several months,have seen too damned much of it from gays already. [never mind the fact that both Gays and NEWSWEAK are too cowardly to address ''homophobia''in the Muslim,Latino,and Black evangelical communities,whille gay hatred and intolerance is directed, especially at the Mormons, including acts of arson,death threats,assault,terrorism,and hate crimes ,which make all gays who seek ''equality'', and ''tolerance''... hypocrites.Jesus,speaking from a plainly Biblical standpoint,had something to say about this as well.

''Ye have made the commnandment of God of none effec

Homosexuality is a filthy, disease-ridden practice explicitly condemned by God.

Who cares. I for one am sick and tired of hearing about gays and their issues. They are a miniscule percentage of the population yet they dominate the news-cycle--enough already. Why don't you devote more time to the issues people actually care about.

baileyt2 calls us wingnuts? thats a laugh a minute from a demographic that clearly, through statistics, raise confused adopted children often stunted by either a lack of mother or father figure and suffer later in life because of it.

The comparing of the civil rights movement to that of Prop 8 is not a valid comparison. Blacks were bought into this country and sold into slavery for hundreds of years. They have suffered and endured much abuse in past with lynchings and merciless killings, and in present also (James Byrd). African-Americans have just began within the last century to be recognized as second class citizens in this country. One of the fundemental virtues that has gotten blacks through this journey is our faith in God. For the gay community not to recognize that just goes to show that the other side didn't know as much about the other as it thought. And futhermore, where have all of the gay activists been in our time of need? It's okay to get the loud mouth colored folks involved when you need a strong voice but how many from the homosexual side have spoken out against so many of the problems that have plagued the black community for years?

"Most Americans???including most African Americans???agree with Warren about gay marriage and do not view our struggle as analogous to the black civil rights movement."

True, the gay agenda is NOT comparable to the Black civil rights movement, despite what the gay boosters publicly state. Unfortunately for liberals who support gay marriage, most black people do not equate their struggles for civil rights with gay special interests trying to shove their unnatural lifestyle down the average American's throat.

"But you would also have to agree that the country is much, much farther along on black civil rights than on gay civil rights." That is a misnomer; "gay civil rights". There is no such thing since most ethnic minorities do not agree with you that you were born gay, while they were in fact born people of color. You can hide your behavior, they can't their color!

Chris stated in part "opponents as bigots outside the mainstream". Typical label used to demonize anyone who does not agree with the gay agenda. Tolerance only applies to people who agree with PC ideology, not opposing opinions.

"All with the confidence that the public will see we have the stronger position." Stronger position in what sense? Better organized at the grass roots level than conservative opposition and better funded by celebrity deep pockets (Hollywood)?

"LGBT individuals are people who choose to engage in sinful, sexually disordered behavior." That's right; It is what it is!
Then there was the "narrow-minded" label applied to Warren and other Christians who oppose the gay lifestyle. I'm surprised that I didn't see the "hateful" and "intolerant" labels applied, but all of the other favorite anti-conservative adjectives were used nonetheless. I know plenty of hateful, narrow-minded, and biggoted people who are homosexual.

Whether you like it or not, polygamy is just as valid an institution as gay marriage. If you support gay marriage but not polygamy, you are just as narrow-minded, hateful, intolerant, and bigoted as your political foes. You are polygaphobic!
If the gay lifestyle and gay marriage are "civil rights", then so is polygamy and many other alternative lifestyles. Capice?!

Is there a God... Is the Bible true...It's the ultimate gamble. Place your bet.

This country is founded by christians, but yet gives the freedom of religion. Those who are borned in this country or migrated to this country are all looking forward to a better society. Is a gay country make the society better? By my human nature, I don't agree that. There is no need to talk about religion, but talk about human conscience.

I have many gay friends and we all agree that the choosing of Rick Warren is okay. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Barack Obama, Bravo! We support your idea.

Somehow people think they will be the selected group to own the Presidents ear....hehehhhehehehehhahhahrhahahahahahha wrong....

He will choose who he wants and the hell with you who dont like it......He is smart enough to know he cant please everyone...and he wont even try....... so get over yourself. Stop trying to make evey issue about you. What is sickening about gays is you live for your a** s, and we don' t. We are so sick of hearing about your sex life . You chose to be freaks ...so live it baby it is all yours. ...and leave us alone. You want impact then organize and all go out and buy a Chevrolete and maybe we will hear you. Gay marriage ...***.....go try something new. Why should you ever want something normal like marriage ...you are not normal... start .Gayhappidom...or Queerwonderland....or butch and butchess.....but not husband and wife....you are neither...so get a title and enjoy it. Start your own.You dont want to be us....so leave us alone and truth is we will sure leave you alone. I promise none of us will try and be you. We like what we are . This is Obamas innauguration....not yours....have your own prom.Make your own world and go live in it....

No one would even notice you or try to obstruct your freedom if you didnt push so hard to live in our straight world and be like us. Go be gay. Your menu is your choice. Not enough of you have fought and died . Listen why dont you form a gay army, and go to Iraq....or some war torn country and do us afavor. ...and none come back. We actually dont care what you do in bed or with whom you do it....we wouldnt even know if you didnt tell us....constantly. Thank God you cant breed!. Proof there is a God!!!!!! Did you happen to notice he is not on your side?

unorthodox asked, "Isn't this country about the freedom to do right or wrong, as long as is doesn't hurt anyone else against his/her will?"

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, October 11, 1798

You can dress it up and call it what you want but, most of us heterosexuals are not against gays being together or even want to deny them the right of a civil union, the problem is in the title. I would be willing to let you gays have all the rights and privledges of marriage, but it should be called civil or domestic union ...NOT marriage. If the gay poulation really wants all the benefits of marriage, then you have to give a little too. Don't call it "marriage" and get everything you've been fighting for or you can try to force us into acceptiong you and create a more tense and less tolorant society against you. Yea, over time you may get what you want, but not now. I know I personally feel like you gays are a little ridiculous every time you don't get your way. I'm not trying to be politically correct, I'm telling you, there is an entire culture of people who will hurt you and fight you for trying to force us into accepting YOUR re-interpetation of marriage. Find a new termonology or create a new word, but don't call it marraige.