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Chris Crain: I don't doubt the sincerity of the pain you describe feeling because of Warren's selection, Leah, but I do see it as a sad example of what can happen when we focus on what divides us. We are so ready to find offense that we transform Warren's role at the inauguration, which most folks would characterize as "the guy they picked to say a prayer," into somehow being "the spiritual representative of the nation." Obama picked black civil rights hero Joseph Lowery, a gay marriage advocate, to give the benediction. Why is Warren's inauguration role more meaningful than Lowery's?

By highlighting writ large our disagreement with Warren on marriage, you also manage to transform a difference over theology and policy into "an act of spiritual violence" against us ... by Barack Obama! Are we really that sensitive? Should we be? The selection of any religious representative could by virtue of his or her creed or past sermons give rise to a multitude of perceived insults. I would wager that Pastor Warren does, in fact, view Muslims—not to mention agnostics and atheists—as unbelievers destined for hell. He may even feel likewise about Jews. Should these groups be joining you in crying "spiritual violence"? Had Obama picked a pro-choice minister to give the invocation, the pro-lifers could claim "an act of spiritual violence" against millions of "murdered" fetuses. That's how quickly things go nuclear when we focus on division, and not on common ground.

Take Warren's views on gay marriage. You and many other gay folk find deep offense in how Warren supposedly "equated our marital relationships with the abusive perversions of incest and pedophilia." What he actually said, in fact, was that he had "no problem" with marriage or civil unions for gay couples, but did oppose "the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage" because we'd be forced to recognize an incestuous marriage or polygamy as well. You and I would agree, Leah, that he is flat wrong on the history of marriage. NEWSWEEK's wonderful cover story on gay marriage pointed out that marriage included polygamy for a lot more of those 5,000 years than it excluded it. We would also agree that Warren is simply silly to assume the gay marriage door somehow opens Pandora's marriage box. But he was not "equating" gay marriage with incest and polygamy. He was making a classic "slippery slope" argument: If you allow "x," which we have "no problem" with, you will be also be allowing "y" and "z," which we all agree are "abusive perversions," to use your words, Leah. The whole point behind the parade of horribles in a slippery slope argument is that "y" and "z" (polygamy and incest) are not the same, but much worse, than "x" (gay marriage and civil unions).

Now look at what happens if we focus on common ground instead. For one thing, we would see that Warren sees gay relationships very differently than polygamy and incest because he has no problem with some domestic partnership benefits and he leaves the door open for other forms of legal recognition for same-sex couples—something he obviously would not support for polygamists and the like. How ironic and unfortunate, then, that instead of reaching out to an enormously influential megapastor who is open to legal recognition of our relationships, we are publicly pillorying him as a "homophobe."

Leah McElrath Renna: Assuming you are including lesbian and gay people of faith and our allies within "most folks," I beg to differ with you that they would see the person delivering the invocation as simply "the guy who said a prayer." Yes, that might be the perspective of a secular person, but it is not that of a person of faith. The inauguration exists as a symbolic event by definition—a ritual. Whether you see it as a stretch or not, the person charged with invoking God's presence at the beginning of the ceremony is serving as the spiritual representative of our nation as a whole. That's just a fact.

I am not highlighting our disagreement with Warren on same-sex marriage rights. I am highlighting Warren's denial of our sexual orientation as an authentic and god-given aspect of our humanity.

In terms of your interpretation of Warren's comments about civil unions and domestic partnerships, you are mistakenly reading into them perhaps what you want to hear. These are Warren's own words when responding to a question about whether or not he supports unions and partnerships for same-sex couples: "But a civil union is not a civil right. Nowhere in the constitution can you find the 'right' to claim that any loving relationship identical to marriage. It's just not there." Now, the good news is that Warren appears to recognize that civil unions and domestic partnerships are civil efforts to legally recognize relationships "identical to marriage." But the bad news is that, contrary to your interpretation, he does not support them. With all due respect, I am not going to get into the issue of his equating our marital relationships with sexually abusive ones again. Warren's words are clear, and he has said them on a number of different occasions and in different forums.

In Warren's defense, he is an evangelical Christian who has actively reached out to both Muslims and Jewish people and recognized them as worshiping the same God as Christians. He differs in this sense from many fundamentalist Christian leaders. In fact, Warren draws a distinction between evangelical and fundamentalist Christians and claims not to be a fundamentalist. The only area of belief in which he uses the fundamentalist tool of Biblical literalism is to justify and defend his perspective on lesbians and gay people.

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  • Posted By: made_to_love @ 04/08/2009 3:20:35 PM

    "there is simply no valid reason that President-elect Obama couldn't have chosen someone to perform the invocation who actually recognizes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people as whole and perfect children of God exactly how they are." This is insane, impossible, and wrong. WHAT HAS OUR COUNTRY TURNED INTO?

  • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/22/2009 12:28:13 PM

    "It's not a sin to be black, but it is a sin to be gay."

    At the beginning of the 20th Century there were racists who would have disagreed. That is why there are many people who believe that the general analogy is valid. Not the specifics per se but the general analogy, the fight for equal rights. I would remind you that many people who opposed the civil rights movement (which included the right to interracial marriage) utilized their bibles are the basis for their opposition. The chapters that they quoted may not be the same (although apparently some may be) but the idea of basing civil discrimination on religious beliefs was.

    On a side note (actually a main note but separate from the LGBT community making analogies to the civil rights movement.) I understand that many of those who oppose same-sex marriage (especially the African American community) do so on religious grounds. That does not make those valid reasons for the government. That may in fact exclude them as reasons for the government to make laws. Not all religious believers or denominations oppose same sex marriage. It does not matter what the bible may or may not say. The fact that there is not one uniform interpretation of that text is the reason that the government may not accept one (or several) groups??? religious views on the issue. To do so would clearly violate the Establishment Clause. It does not matter if you think that the interpretation of the religious groups that support same-sex marriage is wrong, Their interpretation has equal standing as far as the law is concerned as yours does (which is basically no standing whatsoever). For the government to say that Rick Warren and his followers' view on what the bible means is the correct one would be analogous to making the Church of England the official religion of the US. The beliefs of the masses do not get to determine what is constitutional. As far as the law is concerned (and we are talking civil marriages not religious ones) it does not matter if you think it is sin.

  • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/21/2009 6:41:45 PM

    Vern,

    I take it that you meant to direct that to 2ACLSR53 not to me.

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