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  • Posted By: dizapointed @ 01/03/2009 8:55:42 AM

    People with a full belly always knock union and good wages.

    Then when they are looking for a job, they search out and embrace them .

    Try affording your home on Mexican wages or Chinese wages.
    People are not being paid in those countries.

    Then look at your 20% medical insurance increase.
    You probable didn't even get a prescription last year and it still went up.
    Did you know your neighbor was laid off.

    So this is the Union's fault., not Maddoff's, or AIG, or Enron.
    Those people are worth 600 million dollars.
    The guy earning 40,000 - 60, 000 k with benefits working 2 jobs is to blame.

    I get it. You have a job. Blaming others.

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 01/02/2009 11:36:26 PM

    Lured by the wonderfully magical American Dream, Americans tend to over-dream nowadays, especially after the very prosperous and successful decades in the second half of 20th century. Dreams are just dreams, they belong to a different world, virtual and unrealistic. Reality can always be extremely harsh, ugly and painful.

    Even the incoming president indulges in the beautiful dreamy arena of change. Perhaps it is time to WAKE UP.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 01/02/2009 1:37:36 AM

    Enough BS...we need to do what is right for the USA. The Unions are not to blame for this...so enough childish ranting against good USA workers. Companies love to bust-up Unions and begin offering unlivable wages and unaffordable health insurance to its workers...then they can begin boasting of billions in record profits while the workers cannot even afford to live normal lives...right here in the good ol' USA. Frankie, where is the solid evidence to say that 98% of their money is going to Dems...obviously this is a GOP backed website...so how do I know if they are telling the truth? You can be as mad as you want, but I question the integrity of this supposed true information. This fact may piss you off...but, so what...when Clinton left office, we actually had a surplus...not in debt. How much debt are we in eight years later because of the idiocy of the Bush administration blunders...isn't our national debt in the trillions at this time? Let's put blame where blame is due, shall we?

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 01/02/2009 1:21:09 AM

    frankiescoffey, even further back were Daddy Bush and Reagan who were also instigators in all this mess.

  • Posted By: frankiescoffey @ 12/31/2008 9:39:31 PM

    Actually you need to go a bit futher back in history, Clinton even said in an interview that he signed the bill the caused this mess. that and greed these people that already have ,miliions it's never enough. That and the US tax code, taxing a person's income is not right, a person is penaltized for earning more money. Fari Tax would be fair, everyone pays their share, and it would do away with the IRS and all those awfull lobbistist in DC which is an expensive problem to all of us tax payers. I am mad as hell about all this, Did U see Nancy P Barney F and Reid rush the bailout bill thru and all smiles and saying what a good and fast job they all did, made me ill. Acorn can take some of the blame also, getting forcing banks to loan all this money to people who could not afford a 50,000 loan on a house let alone 300.000.00. Now whos really to blame for all this mess, and Barney Frank having a 10 year affair with some guy in Freddie may , sounds like we got screwed by the Senate, I'm so sick of people who are suppose to be working for us sell out to this lobbistis and most of them if you look up on www.opensecrets.gov most of the lobbing money is from unions, all of which give 98% of their money to the Dems, get rid of the unions & Congress we'd all be better off. Are any of them doing what is best for US??? or the U.S.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 12/30/2008 7:34:40 PM

    John G., one thing is clear...if our economy is going to survive, we have to help our USA based automakers. The Big Three will not close their doors if we USA people support them in every way possible. I have no clue where you are getting your information that they are making bundles of cash overseas...maybe from the Republican right? Whatever the case is, if the Big Three go down, more than likely our entire economy will collapse...because all the suppliers for the Big three will go, also. This is not economic warfare waged against the electorate...this is about doing what is right for the USA. How about more misleading BS from right wing nutjobs...closer to the the truth, wouldn't you say?
    Oh, by the way, I am still bewildered as to why Bush OK'd 700billion to corporate crooks...why didn't he do what is right and put these worthless worms behind bars where they belong??? To **** with doing the right thing...so they quickly hand over this gargantuous amount of cash to idiots who show absolutely no honor or fiscal responsibility and misused shitloads of the bailout money for vacations and undeserved bonuses...and yet they are still walking free...funny how they didn't catch much, if any, flack for their unethical BS.
    REMINDER: all of this economic crookery is still under the BUSH administration...we shan't forget this fact, shall we?

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 12/29/2008 9:58:49 PM

    Jamma, how in the h-e-double hockey sticks are any of we USA workers supposed to be able to afford to even think of purchasing a home if all of the livable/family wage jobs are increasingly becoming outsourced...and the jobs that are left are poverty level wages (at best) for working families? Millions of good, honest hard-working Americans have been laid-off, locked-out, outsourced, screwed blue by the GOP idiotlogical trickle-down BS that has only trickled into the paws of the greedy/wealthy liars...yes, I mean IDIOTlogical!! And to inform we working peans about the wonderful way that Wal-Mart has cost the USA economy millions of USA jobs and taken away billions from our economy...by blackmailing the good USA suppliers for Wal-Mart stores to OUTSOURCE their companies to foreign countries...either do this and put millions of USA workers out of work OR not do business with these suppliers any more. Yes, that is right America...the one and only Wal-Mart that once bragged how they were 100% for the USA. And, God forbid that anyone should know about the inhumane way these outsourced laborers are mistreated...and, according to Wal-Mart, it's all for the customer...and they are correct about that, seeing that they have no moral or ethical conscience the way they mistreat their workers (or workers from outsourced suppliers). If the original owner of Wal-Mart, Sam Walton, would be seeing how the "Clean and Pure" Wal-Mart conducts their business; he would be turning in his grave more than once. So many have lied and BS'ed the USA public for so many years....I am not sure if they know how to tell us the truth with a good and moral conscience.

  • Posted By: jamma @ 12/28/2008 2:55:51 PM

    ARM's have been around since the 80's and so have layoff's, divorces and illeness. People have been
    loosing their hiomes to foreclosure for decades, but this generation of morons seem to think they are the first.
    ARM's were not good in the 80's and I would not recommend them today. What I would recommend is that people do their homework, never take out a mortgage more than 34% of their gross income, save for a down payment and only use a 30 year conventional fixed rate mortgage--just like they did before.

  • Posted By: RayG01 @ 12/27/2008 4:32:35 PM

    Super J:
    I'd start with the CEOs of Fannie and Freddie, and their closest political allies on this matter. Franklin Raines made $100 million, much of that "bonus" pay, during the very period that Fannie was spiraling in the dirt.

  • Posted By: RayG01 @ 12/27/2008 3:29:17 PM

    Quote:
    "You can imagine the heartwarming scenes of family life that once played out inside, but now you're left with only a dwelling that's been trashed by an angry foreclosure victim."

    That imagination is warping your view of reality.

    Normal people don't allow pools to mold over, or paint their home interiors with graffiti.

    The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of those in trouble with their homes would have still been renting if the sub-prime mortgage industry had not been spawned by the government.

    Here in the Phoenix metro area, we understood years ago that you didn???t want to buy in certain neighborhoods despite how new they were. In fact, the newer the development, the worse it was unless it was priced above $450K.

    Now the neighborhoods like mine ??? built in the early 90s ??? have far fewer for sale signs, and none of crime, while the subdivisions built in the last 6 to 8 years are awash in foreclosure trouble with tell-tale signs of urban blight setting in already.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 12/26/2008 10:29:33 PM

    Super J, you are a person who speaks the truth...keep up the good work...we middle-class people have heard and seen enough lies and BS from our government and corporations.

  • Posted By: super j @ 12/26/2008 7:59:34 PM

    What abot the CEO 's???? Why to they get buy with murder?????????? WE bitch about this and this and that. The bottom line is, the CEO's getting bonuses that belong to working class. But our goverment doesen't contest that. Always blame it on labor. If GM & chryliser want ot survive, tell the CEO's to divie up, tis is their company. Where is their donation??? Will thet still get their bonuses???? CEO's is where the problem is. And every middle class working ameican knows it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Dayypete @ 12/23/2008 11:20:04 AM

    Amazing. If I read correctly 700 Billion dollars has been given to the banks for bailouts with little or no

    strings attached. This to bail them out for their incompetence in making loans to people, shoe horning those same

    bad loans in to investment vehicles which has brought the American financial system to the brink of collapse. 50

    billion to AIG for the same incompetence.
    Not much is said about all the "educated people" who took out mortgage loans they could not afford. They were

    convinced after all by the "banks" to take the loans and bear no responsibility for their own financial situation.

    Guess that was part of their education. We know what really happened-they took the loans and bought inflated real

    estate speculating that the price would continue to go up and they would be able to sell and reap unreal profits

    before the crash. They miscalculated. They were wrong and we are supposed to be weeping crocodile tears for them.
    And the villain of the whole piece is the automakers in general and specifically the UAW or union workers. The

    automakers need 34 billion to keep afloat until the economy rights itself and the UAW wants to be paid well. The

    UAW members want Pensions and health care benefits. How greedy can you be? The automakers say they need 34

    billion dollars to keep making cars.
    Our eye is being taken off of the ball; we are losing sight of the forest over a tree.
    The unions were started to raise the working condition for all. This has been accomplished. Do you believe any

    boss would pay more than the absolute minimum necessary to the worker? Do you believe the boss would take profits

    from his own pockets and give them to the worker if he did not have to? Is it the goal of business to see the

    worker have better conditions, more independence and freedom and a better life? If you were the boss, wouldn???t it

    make good sense to keep your labor costs as low as possible? Hey, if you believe in their magnanimous generosity,

    go and get a non-union job in Mexico or any one of 30 3rd world labor camps.
    Go there if you want a job unaffected by union labor gains. Hell, why should anyone have a pension or health care

    benefits? After we are done working, shouldn't we just do the right thing and die so as not to inconvenience the

    economy?
    Anyway, we are focused in on the 34 billion requested by automakers to produce cars, have been distracted from the

    750 billion given to the paper shufflers. And the work of destroying labor unions is getting another boost. Isn???t

    it just peachy?
    It is my personal opinion that we are working as hard as we can to become a third world labor camp and we are going

    at it with all due speed. For my part, I want a pension, I want health care benefits, I am a union worker. When I

    get old, I don't want to be begging in the street for food or health care. May be unreasonable to a lot business

    owners. Sorry about that.

    • Posted By: Thisoneagain @ 12/25/2008 5:18:45 AM

      It is not the UAW's fault that we are in this crisis. From the point of your post, it appears that you feel a worker needs a decent wage for the work performed. I commend you for that. But at what point you deserve a $28/hr job with a HS education doing a low skill level job? Now that price of the wage goes into the manufacturing costs of the car. Plus all the benefits. In order to do that make that vehicle affordable, quality is cut. It lasts for 50,000 miles and is worthless.
      Now that waitress working the breakfast rush is making $5/hr plus tips no benefits. According to you she should unionize. Now here wage goes up to $15/hr, plus tips and a benefits pkg. That $8 breakfast you just ate now is $20 and no free coffee refills. You would be outraged at that. But she took your right to unionize.
      Labor is the biggest cost to any organization. A bigger picture develops, when you look at that example.

      • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 12/25/2008 10:10:32 AM

        You are so full of it. In the UAW area, the Japanese plants in the south offer a wage about 30 cents less than the big 3. Their benefit cost is approximately the same - except - they are not carrying benefits for 400,000 retirees. That's the major difference between the big 3's manufacturing labor cost and the Japanese car makers. The rest of your indictment of the American auto industry is just demented. American cars are, with some exceptions, mainly Chrysler Corp., on a par quality wise with Japanese auto makers. Look it up in Consumer Reports. As far as the oft repeated chestnut that labor costs are the major cost for any organization, that's just drivel in manufacturing. I can recall working with 4 other people on project for 4 days that sold for 1.5 million. True it had to be painted when we finished with it, but I doubt very much that all the actual manufacturing labor amounted to more than 2% of the finished price of the product. Now if you want to factor in the cost of management and engineering, that might paint a different picture. But then why aren't you advocating holding down the wages of management and engineering?

    • Posted By: Thisoneagain @ 12/25/2008 5:06:19 AM

      It is not the UAW's fault that we are in this crisis. From the point of your post, it appears that you feel a worker needs a decent wage for the work performed. I commend you for that. But at what point you deserve a $28/hr job with a HS education doing a low skill level job? Now that price of the wage goes into the manufacturing costs of the car. Plus all the benefits. In order to do that make that vehicle affordable, quality is cut. It lasts for 50,000 miles and is worthless.
      Now that waitress working the breakfast rush is making $5/hr plus tips no benefits. According to you she should unionize. Now here wage goes up to $15/hr, plus tips and a benefits pkg. That $8 breakfast you just ate now is $20 and no free coffee refills. You would be outraged at that. But she took your right to unionize.
      Labor is the biggest cost to any organization. A bigger picture develops, when you look at that example.

    • Posted By: Thisoneagain @ 12/25/2008 5:01:39 AM

      It is not the UAW's fault that we are in this crisis. From the point of your post, it appears that you feel a worker needs a decent wage for the work performed. I commend you for that. But at what point you deserve a $28/hr job with a HS education doing a low skill level job? Now that price of the wage goes into the manufacturing costs of the car. Plus all the benefits. In order to do that make that vehicle affordable, quality is cut. It lasts for 50,000 miles and is worthless.
      Now that waitress working the breakfast rush is making $5/hr plus tips no benefits. According to you she should unionize. Now here wage goes up to $15/hr, plus tips and a benefits pkg. That $8 breakfast you just ate now is $20 and no free coffee refills. You would be outraged at that. But she took your right to unionize.
      Labor is the biggest cost to any organization. A bigger picture develops, when you look at that example.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 12/24/2008 6:18:48 PM

    What is disgusting, hypocritical and bewildering is how the Republican Senators and Bush are blaming the economic crash and burn on the UAW...as well as other Unions being falsely blamed for our economic woes. The Republican right counts on an uninformed USA public that generally believes everything they say. Wasn,t it the Republicans that have degraded and stonewalled the middle-class worker from livable/family oriented wages and good healthcare? Yes it was the Republicans. Their never-ending lust for more drove the GOP right wingers to deregulate almost everything, outsource livable/family oriented wage USA jobs and mislead an uninformed USA workforce that they are the true patriotic political party. Many Republican politicians have financial interests in foreign-owned automakers...and they give them bigger tax breaks than our USA originated Big Three automakers. How soon these same GOP politicians want us to forget that it was the Big Three automakers that gave 20-30 billion for the 9-11 relief efforts. Most of the foreign-owned automakers that have shamlessly set-up shop in the USA gave $0.00 for the 9-11 relief efforts...hey, they nosed their businesses here in the USA...they had a responsibilty to help after 9-11. How many times has the USA bailed these foreigners" asses out in previously fought wars??? Too many times. How many times have they done the same for the USA...ZERO!!! Even though it was the sole responsibilty of the good old GOP for getting us in this economic quagmire...every time they screw things up, they point their crooked little fingers at USA oriented companies and the good USA Union workforce that is the backbone of our economy. Why these politicians are treating foreign-owned companies better than our own is QUESTIONABLE. that is why it is of vital importance for all USA workers to put the heat on Washington and let them know that we support the Employee Free Choice Act...this would give we USA workers the right to form Unions without threats or coercion from companies. Passing the EFCA is a necessary stepping stone for getting the middle-class workers back where we belong...livable/family oriented wages and affordable healthcare...and actually feel proud to show up for work, once again.

  • Posted By: gopherfan @ 12/24/2008 4:52:28 PM

    option arms are not a new product they were available in the late 80's....just an FYI.

  • Posted By: Wiscmad @ 12/23/2008 2:01:15 PM

    I am surprised that a problem created by humans needs god's will for resolution. I did not expect that Newsweek would be blind enough to call for God to assist in ensuring that certain Financial Products are not sold to customers.

  • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/22/2008 1:22:35 PM

    HEY, NEWSWEEK!

    What happened to the two articles about where the bailout money went? You pulled those pretty damn quick, didn't you?

    LOL.

  • Posted By: Lucy In The News @ 12/21/2008 3:36:18 AM

    I was laid off in December 07. My husband who worked for the same firm was laid off a week later. With a mortgage of $1,450 per month to pay we held yard sales every month to raise the money to pay the mortgage with. After 6 months I found a job finally that jpaid me half of what I earned before. My husband went to work in a local convenience store where he is robbed and attacked regularly. I was laid off again only 5 months after starting my job. That leaves my husband working, earning $1200 a month and trying to pay bills and a mortgage, keep a wife and 2 dogs. We had to send the step son back to his mother because we couldn't afford the food to feed a 6'5" 17 year old. My husband has now filed for bankruptcy because we just can't pay our creditors. We've asked the bank to look at our case as we are paying over 100% of our income on our mortgage but sympathetic as they've been we have been told that because our credit it now ruined we will not be able to re-mortgage at a lower rate of 6.75% because we are a higher risk - even tho we have paid the bank without fail every month. We've had the utilities cut off several times because we can't pay the bills and each time we get them back on the utility companies penallize us with a deposit before reconnection. The whole system is wrong. We both have degrees and yet still can't find employment. Any ideas anyone?

    • Posted By: FitzPatrick711 @ 12/21/2008 3:27:32 PM

      Yes,

      Let your house go to foreclosure. It is not worth the stress. It will take at least 6 months for the foreclosure process to play out. In the meantime, you can live mortgage free and save some money for a house to rent that is hopefully more affordable. It sounds like your credit is already ruined. If that is how the bank wants to play then play your hand accordingly. There is no hope for current homeowners who pay their mortgage, but are unable to refinance for reasons like no equity or a falling credit score. I know of some situations where a year later they still have not foreclosed on the house. Consider it a breather at the expense of your already terrible credit. You can rebuild credit, but you you cannot make your house more affordable.

      • Posted By: jlminihan @ 12/22/2008 11:55:22 AM

        Do not refinance your mortgage. That is exactly what the banks want you to do, give them your money. We have seen what banks do with our money. Go to a United First Financial Representative or email me jminihan66@msn.com and I can tell you how you can pay off your debt fast.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 12/21/2008 6:51:47 PM

      Foreclosure is certainly an option, but read this first:

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28277420/

      See if you can find local legal help competent in this area before opting out. I don't know about the area you live in, but for the family you describe, you wouldn't be far away from your mortgage payment if you were renting here. Here is Houston TX, and it has one of the lowest housing costs of any major metro area. In the article linked, one of the problems lenders have with foreclosures is that a large percentage of new mortgage vehicles were rolled into mortgage backed debt securities and the true ownership of the mortgage is impossible to determine. It takes the true owner to file for foreclosure. As I said seek out local legal advice competent in this area, the link is just to give you some idea there is hope. If your income is as you describe it, you can probably get discounted or free legal aid in this matter.

  • Posted By: Hungry Bear @ 12/22/2008 11:39:16 AM

    sharkman, I think that what you did is pretty amazing. Although building your own home isn't feasible in all areas, it really pays to take some initiative and be creative. There are plenty of ways to save money on housing if you have the skills and ambition to do it. I think it would be a very positive thing if more people learned practical skills so that they could do maintenance and repair themselves rather than hiring out for it.

  • Posted By: sevenseselevenses @ 12/21/2008 3:30:42 PM

    If you are serious (sharkman) about what you did, then kudos to you. My grandfather built his own house, in the city, no less, back in 1959. He learned most of it as he went, working on weekends and nights over the course of a year while he worked during the day at a factory. He built a lovely small brick home, with two bedrooms for a family of 6. Why, you may ask? Because back in the 50's, if you didn't have the money for a 20% down payment, you simply did not own a home. Most of the lower middle class did not actually own homes at the time, despite what Bush and the rest may be selling you about our "ownership" society. If you owned your own place (and trust me, a starter home back in the day was modest) it meant you had a lot of money saved and a very reliable income. The American way, and the American dream, has been distorted over the past decade into something quite ugly, and while its a shame that people are losing their homes, home ownership will not make you any happier than being house free and renting.

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