'A Sudden, Terrible Stillness'

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  • Posted By: BillH3 @ 12/22/2008 12:12:58 PM

    My observations about air travel is that by the time you realize the plane is in trouble, it???s far too late. I have this thing I do, when I fly, started years ago but I find myself ding it every time I fly. I measure the time between engine spool up and wheels off the ground. This usually takes around 45 seconds. One year, I was flying out of Las Vegas on a DC-9. I was talking to the guy sitting next to me, who was in the aircraft industry. It soon dawned on both of us that a lot of time had went by since the pilot spooled up the engines and we were still on the runway. It felt like he was on a leisurely drive down to the end of the runway to look around. Looking at my watch, to my horror it was well over a minute. About that time, a few heads popped up over the seats looking around. I looked outside, and noticed we were at the end of runway warning stripes, still on the ground. The pilot finally brought the nose up, it felt like the plane was going way too slow to fly, I thought we were going to stall. A shallow climb brought us to altitude and the rest of the flight went off without a hitch. When we finally decided we could exhale, the guy sitting next to me said ???I fly three or four times a month and I have never had THAT happen before.??? Three of the other guys who were looking around commented that they thought we were in real trouble. I don't know whether or not we were, but only three of had any idea what was going on. I think it was touch and go there for a while. The women on the plane had no clue.

    • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 5:31:47 PM

      What's the lesson here? Your women travelers were socially astute enough not to go loudly remarking on flight problems that never actually occurred for the benefit of nearby nervous air travelers? That your fellow male travelers were anxiety prone noisy boors? I fail to see anything positive coming out of some ridiculous gender comparison here.

  • Posted By: hornist @ 12/22/2008 2:57:36 PM

    I misspelled explain.

    • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 5:02:36 PM

      Then maybe you've learned not to be picky about someone's missed space between no and one. Or were you being sincere and not snarky about no one?

  • Posted By: flyguy1996 @ 12/23/2008 12:20:51 AM

    I'm glad everyone got out safe, bags or not. I wasn't there, so I don't know what the true situation was and hindsight is always 20/20. I'm sure it was terribly frightening and disorienting, not to mention the shock of what had just happened.

    All I know is, the last thing on my mind in a crash would be taking anything at all with me. My mind would be on getting out of the plane as quickly and safely as possible while helping anyone who needs help to get out along the way. Anything else, to me, would seem a potentially dangerous and deadly distraction.

    I was fortunate enough to go to the FAA facility in Oklahoma City, and they put us through a mock crash where the cabin filled up with "smoke". Let me tell you, it was extremely eye-opening. The amount of time you have to get out with a fire, especially if there's toxic smoke and you can barely see anything, is less than 90 seconds. Carrying anything on your person adds extra bulk, weight, chance of tripping, snagging, tearing the slides, and a host of other things you don't need to be worrying with 90 seconds of time.

    Again, hindsight is 20/20. In this case, we can all be thankful everyone got out, banged up but ok. What's done is done. I don't see any need for those of us who weren't there to chastise those who were. I just hope we all take some positive out of this and now be a little better prepared if/when it happens to them.

    • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 4:58:20 PM

      Exactly. The location of the bag after the accident is irrelavant to whether or not you ought to take it.

  • Posted By: flysafe @ 12/22/2008 9:25:17 AM

    Jeb Tilly should be taken out and shot for his rude selfishness that put other passengers at risk!
    He states "I'd managed to grab my bag, which had a phone, sweater and jacket," well aren't you glad you are safe warm and comfortablem but since you were right at the emergency exit you blocked others from leaving. None of them died, Thank god for that but some of them who suffered from the smoke did so because it took longer for them to get out due to your selfishness Mr. Jeb Tilly!
    Yes a gribbing dramatic tale is told, too bad it is of one man ignoring the safety warning we hear on every flight to not stop to gather our belongings, but rather to quickly exit the plane.
    I am glad no one died, but I wonder if the plane had flashed over faster and some passengers had died would Tilly realize his act caused their death.

    • Posted By: Jneen @ 12/22/2008 9:35:16 AM

      Flysafe-Before you start making ignorant statements like him holding up everyonefrom getting off the plane because he grabbed his bag, maybe you should read the comments posted here and most importantly the comment posted by the author himself. He explains that he was at the back of the plane, thereby not holding anyone up. Your comment about him being shot was nasty, cruel and insensitive. How sad that people like you exist. Isn't it more important that everyone survived? I should think so.

      • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 4:52:54 PM

        If you'd read the article, you'd know that the back of the plane is where passengers exited.

  • Posted By: AJS916 @ 12/22/2008 9:08:18 AM

    Nice mmck, criticize the people who lived through a horrible ordeal. I'm sure he wasn't thinking rationally at the time one way or the other. And I'm certain that if YOU were in a similar situation, YOU would respond with perfect protocol. Lighten up and be grateful that all made it out alive and quit criticizing people who have never been in such a position before for not responding perfectly. Ridiculous, shame on you!

    • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 4:49:52 PM

      I imagine I would have reacted much the same as Mr. Tilly here. But at least I recognize that it isn't the correct response. Here in comments Jeb goes on to say he believes he did the right, rational thing. Which makes much less sense to me than the initial insinctive reaction.

  • Posted By: Iris729 @ 12/21/2008 11:27:41 PM

    I travel in and out of Denver frequently, and it is without doubt my favorite airport in terms of security, maintenance, and convenvience. It's truly tragic that this incident occurred, but we can at least be glad it wasn't worse. On the issue of grabbing the bag -- which seems to be the major dramatic question here -- let me say this: smart move, my friend, and worthy of a Boy Scout. In the event of an emergency such as this, there is NO reason why anyone should be taking the time to retrieve a bag from the overhead compartments. On the other hand, I ALWAYS keep my purse (actually, it's kind of a multi-purpose tote bag) right next to me during the flight. It contains my ID, money, credit cards, meds, cell phone, and the essentials I would need to sustain a travel interruption of hours or even days. And grabbing it would be as natural as breathing to me. It wouldn't take more than a second or two; it wouldn't jeopardize any other passenger; it would not interfere with airline emergency operations. But, by golly, it would mean the world to me to have it with me when the worst has happened. Good for JTilly. The airlines need to recognize reality and issue recommendations for carrying an under-the-seat emergency bag. They have already created a monster by adding so many baggage fees that people drag their entire estate onboard to stow overhead.

    • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 4:32:03 PM

      Consider traveling in clothes with pockets. Really.

    • Posted By: skysmile @ 12/22/2008 11:45:59 AM

      One or two seconds is too long in an evacuation. Flight attendants have 90 seconds, if grabbing a bag takes 2 seconds that means if only 45 people on a plane (that probably carried just under 200) stop to grab their bag...the evacuation is completely ruined.

      C'mon people, think! Or, alternatively, fly on private jets so the only life you're putting at risk by grabbing your bag is your own.

  • Posted By: JTilly @ 12/21/2008 11:03:17 PM

    A couple of thoughts on my decision to grab the bag: I was in the last seat in the farthest corner of the plane so i wasn't holding anyone up. At the time that i made the decision there was a rush for the door, and it seemed smarter to be patient than to join the push and try to struggle past others. as i waited i thought to grab the bag, which was at my feet. took about 2 seconds. in retrospect i believe it was a good decision. it was 10 degrees outside and i was able to give my wife a jacket, and lend my phone to several people who needed to get in touch with their own loved ones.

    • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/23/2008 4:27:32 PM

      Certainly I don't fault you for grabbing your bag. In situations like this we do what we do, and we can monday morning quarterback all we like later. But in that process, I think it needs to be acknowledged that in an emergency, grabbing your stuff isn't the right desicion. It isn't just the time it takes to pick it up, it's also the space it takes up while you're exiting and the encumbering nature of it. Either the plane doesn't burn to the ground, in which case you'll be able to later retrieve your stuff, or it is burning to the ground in which case your stuff just doesn't have the priority of people's lives. You're not a bad guy, this was a great story, and I might have grabbed my bag too. But in hindsight that doesn't make it the correct decision in any way.

    • Posted By: skysmile @ 12/22/2008 11:48:44 AM

      JTilly, the problem is that people will read your article and think "Good for him, he brought his bag!". If they are ever unfortunate enough to be in an evacuation they might not assess the situation and whether or not taking that time will endanger themselves or others. We want everyone's automatic reaction to be to get out of the plane, leaving everything behind for EVERYONE'S safety.

    • Posted By: insomn3ak @ 12/21/2008 11:27:47 PM

      Having got all caught up in the bag-grabbing talk, I forgot to mention...that was an excellent account of your experience. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I'm glad everyone's ok.

      • Posted By: gforceforever @ 12/22/2008 7:57:01 AM

        Your account is what I was thinking after reading this article. There WOULD be time to grab personal items, as the aisle is so very narrow, and only single file exiting would be reasonable. I see nothing wrong with rational behavior in light of havoc; responsible people don't always panic, and maintaining focus and awareness are crucial to survival in any situation deemed life-or-death. Thank you for sharing here.

  • Posted By: joeypat @ 12/23/2008 3:27:43 PM

    Thank God for flight attendants. We never seem to need them, but when we do, it's amazing what they do. Give 'em all a raise!

  • Posted By: Quad_B @ 12/23/2008 3:01:27 PM

    Hey Jordan C. Fan! You're a Freagin' CooCoo, dude!

  • Posted By: Quad_B @ 12/23/2008 3:00:19 PM

    Hey Fan! You're a CooCoo!

  • Posted By: hek48 @ 12/23/2008 12:11:51 PM

    Ignoring the previous remarks, I'm still amazed peolple will risk other peoples lives by taking the time to grab "my bag, which had a phone, sweater and jacket". One or two seconds can mean one or two lives when a plan is on fire.

  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/23/2008 9:48:25 AM

    The Plane Crash Of Continental Air Flight 1404..

    By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet Of Environment.

    With the Bush Administration, the U. S. still has a sense of decency. Beginning with the Obama Administration, those decency will be gone. The Plane Crash Of Continental Air Flight 1404 from Texas to Denver is a revelation which reminisce the transition from Bush to Obama since Colorado is the election "Battle State" which had decided the final outcome of the election. Since Obama is very much a puppet of the Kennedy family, the memory of the John F. Kennedy Jr. plane crash at the Atlantic coast will resurface. A long series of plane crashes in the U. S. will then follow. Many people should and will wish that will not happen. With the start of the Obama Administration. It is very likely the next one will be U. S. Air Airline. I guess some people will and should hope that crashes will not happen. We will see!

    • Posted By: krystie @ 12/23/2008 9:56:51 AM

      Thanks for the laugh this morning. What does Obama have to do with a plane incident in Denver ...... or how will his administration cause a US airways jet to crash. What does your comment have to do with the story? Really I think it would help for you to become a bit more well rounded in your thoughts. Oh but how I did enjoy the laugh this morning. Sometimes I wonder how this country holds together with the level of ignorance that has become the norm.

  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/23/2008 7:58:10 AM

    With the Bush Administration, the U. S. still has a sense of decency. Beginning with the Obama Administration, those decency will be gone. Since Obama is very much a puppet of the Kennedy family, the memory of the John F. Kennedy Jr. at the Atlantic coast will resurface. A long series of plane crashes in the U. S. will then follow. Many people should and will wish that will not happen.

  • Posted By: jordan c. fan @ 12/23/2008 7:39:12 AM

    The sky has been quiet for quite a while from crash! With this Continental Airline crash many other will follow signifying the troubles America will be facing with the start of the Obama Administration. It is very likely the next one will be U. S. Air. I guess many people will and should hope that crashes will not happen.

  • Posted By: Synnderelly @ 12/22/2008 11:49:56 AM

    There is no right or wrong to how someone reacts to something like this.

    • Posted By: sneekypeek @ 12/23/2008 4:23:04 AM

      There are myriad wrong ways to react to a situation like this. For example, blocking the aisle while screaming hysterically while the flames get closer. Would you agree?

  • Posted By: therocket @ 12/23/2008 3:53:36 AM

    Jap, I enjoyed your comment re: growing up.
    Thank you for your insight and I shall attempt to grow up
    as I should.
    Love, The Rocket

  • Posted By: jap324 @ 12/22/2008 6:25:06 AM

    The Rocket: how old are you? grow up

    • Posted By: therocket @ 12/23/2008 3:35:14 AM

      Jap, I enjoyed your comment re: growing up.
      Thank you for your insight and I shall attempt to grow up
      as I should.
      Love, The Rocket

  • Posted By: bluesky99 @ 12/23/2008 3:18:09 AM

    The author and his wife have responded to the concerns and questions around taking his bag. Please read JTilly's response, near the beginning of this comment section

  • Posted By: xperienced f/a @ 12/22/2008 12:00:00 PM

    The Ballad Of Jeb Tilly

    Come and listen to a story about a man named Jeb
    A wannabe journalist, trying to keep his family fed.
    Then one day when he was riding in a plane
    He got his big chance through others suffering and pain.

    Fear that is, makes people read.

    Well the first thing you know ol Jeb knows how to scare
    While the flight attendants yelled, "Jeb move away from there."
    He said to himself, "Hey, there's a story here for me!"
    So he grabbed his bag and phone during all the calamity.

    Crash, that is, burning fuel, evacuate the plane.

    Well now its time for Jeb to write using fancy words to awe his kin,
    (the story's greatly embellished and full of inconsistency to the end).
    You're all invited back again to this locality
    To read a heapin helpin of all the hostility.

    Credibility that is. Glad he can spell. Get your butt off!!

    Flying's way too safe to be agitated with all this fear.

    • Posted By: zreamer @ 12/22/2008 12:44:24 PM

      Pull your head out of your tailpipe, so called xperienced f/a. I would trust a first hand experience any day over the crap that the average reporter feeds down your throat. Since you obviously have no life, thus the time taken to write a stupid poem to make yourself look smart even though you are a coward, let me tell you how a normal person with functioning social skills and a heart would respond. "Sorry, Jeb, to hear about this awful experience. It must have been a nightmare for those on the plane. Thank God everyone exited with their lives. May this experience bring you closer to your family this Christmas."

      • Posted By: xperienced f/a @ 12/23/2008 3:15:09 AM

        Actually, it's lyrics to be sung to the tune of "The Beverly Hillbilly's"

        No life? Functioning social skills and a heart? Coward? Yep, that???s me!
        I wasn???t angered enough (by the dramatic and inaccurate ramblings of someone who appears to have taken the events of a near tragedy to further their career) to take a few minutes out of my day to respond. How does someone ???smell burning plastic??? when ???thankfully, the fire was still outside the airplane??? and ???out quickly because we???d been in the last row seats???.
        I apologize for not having acknowledged the extreme fear experienced by those individuals and families unfortunate enough to be trapped inside the crumpled wreckage. Their lungs filling with smoke from the increasingly spreading fire and unable to see in the darkness as they hope for their turn to get out and away from the aircraft. ???Thank you??? not only to the crew but also to the ???regular??? passengers who opened the window exit opposite the flames offering escape to countless people and to those who stayed at the scene guiding people away from the aircraft and assisting those with injuries instead of running away immediately.
        I also apologize that this posting is a cumulative annoyance of the press dramatizing some stories while giving little or no coverage to the numbers of people dead every year from suicide, drunk drivers, domestic violence, industrial pollution or genocide. Numbers which, in any single year, exceed the numbers of military casualties during the past four years.
        I guess someone who chooses to stay in a profession where my primary responsibility is the safety of total strangers or ???arrogant, unskilled and overpaid pilots??? by protecting the cockpit at all costs must be a total idiot. I work everyday knowing the first people killed during 9/11 were the flight attendants who had their throats slit and that the last person off a burning, crumpled aircraft would be me. We don???t claim to be heroes or even unusually brave. We???re just doing our job.
        As for God???s hand in this???sliding through dirt rather than staying on pavement had to greatly reduce the amount of jet fuel which could have ignited and helped cushion the impact. Not having left the ground and stopping within a few hundred of a fire station was just short of a miracle. Or was it?

    • Posted By: JanaBelle @ 12/22/2008 12:07:32 PM

      Priceless!!! I want to be on your flight...

  • Posted By: mmck @ 12/22/2008 8:36:03 AM

    That is one of the stupidest things you can do is take time to grab something. It's all about getting out of there as fast as possible. You hold other people up by trying to take your belongings. If you want to take something off a burning plane wait and be last off. People are stupid and Kimi big benifit because he had his cell phone. Must be one hell of a important phone call after that. This is could have caused someone there life or a few people.

    • Posted By: midi @ 12/22/2008 4:51:44 PM

      he needed to call Newsweek to get his story published lol

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