'A Sudden, Terrible Stillness'

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  • Posted By: 777Driver @ 12/22/2008 11:32:18 AM

    kimb33, if I was behind you trying to get out of a burning aircraft while you fumbled with your bags in front of me, it would most certainly be "my business". Evacuating a burning aircraft is one situation where you do need to worry about what other people are doing.

  • Posted By: john76 @ 12/22/2008 10:00:56 AM

    Dear Lord people! Read the comments before you make yourselves look stupid. The writer responded and said that

    1. He was seated in the last row. No one behind him to slow up.
    2. His bag was at his feet. Bend over and touch your toes. How long did it take? I really don't think someone sitting in the last row with no one behind him is going to put someones life in jeopardy for 1 second of bending over...with NO ONE BEHIND HIM.

    Have any of you people flown? How long does it take to get on and off a plane when there is no panic. Unless people are climbing over seats-which would be more selfish and cause more chaos-it is single file and takes a while. I am sure 1 second of bending over is not taking up anyones time. How hateful and judgemental some of you can be. I can only pray that none of you have to be in that situation.

    • Posted By: skysmile @ 12/22/2008 11:32:12 AM

      Actually, you're wrong. He was seated in the last row...so half of the plane was behind him. His emergency exit was the one behind him so when he got up to use it, all the rows ahead of him would have lined up behind him to get off. One second of bending over takes up exactly 1/90th of the time that the cabin crew has to get EVERYONE off the plane.

      John76, if you are ever in this situation and want to bring your bag. Sit in your seat, stay there until everybody else has gotten off the plane and then, decide whether or not that 1 second suddenly seems so insignificant....If you feel like you can justify putting others lives at risk, see how you feel about it when it puts your own life at risk.

  • Posted By: scrantondivn @ 12/22/2008 11:31:55 AM

    I LOVE the news managment........JUST LIE. @0 years ago, I worked for TRI-RAIL in Miami as a locomotive engineer. We were northbound and AMTRAK 91 (the Silver Star) was southbound when AMTRAK hit a gasoline truck in Fort Lauderdale at a roadcrossing. My conductor's wife saw it on TV and called the TRI-RAIL office only to be told "TRI-RAIL is experiencing momenatry signal difficulties.". She went off and told the clerk "It looks like a G-D atomic bomb on TV and you're handing out this S---".

  • Posted By: toroscope @ 12/22/2008 11:30:49 AM

    I'm guessing the guy didn't grab his bag from the overhead. Was probably one that he had at his feet tucked under the seat ahead of him. Easy to grab and I doubt in any way impeded or slowed the evactuation of any other passengers.

  • Posted By: Hambrain @ 12/22/2008 6:36:24 AM

    Re-read that first paragraph. Sounds like Jeb was more interested in winning the Pulitzer than getting out of the airplane.

    • Posted By: Allyb76 @ 12/22/2008 11:29:50 AM

      You people are so negative and should all be ashamed of yourselves. He told a well told story of a plain crash. Sorry if his excellent writing offended you. Apparently the fact that he was able to grab his bag that was at his feet while waiting to exit the plain has offended people as well - which has caused such harsh remarks by so many.. He wasn't trying to be a hero. He simply was telling his story to all of us who were interested enough to read it only to get criticized. relax - be thankful they all survived, and that it wasn't you on that flight.

    • Posted By: challisora @ 12/22/2008 7:59:54 AM

      So true. A bit over done.

  • Posted By: 777Driver @ 12/22/2008 11:27:37 AM

    Skysmile, thank you for all you do. You and your fellow flight attendants do not have an easy job in the best of times, let alone during an emergency. You are the passengers' best chance to survive an evacuation. You do not get enough credit. The flight attendants in this story performed heroicly, no doubt.

  • Posted By: kimb33 @ 12/22/2008 11:27:20 AM

    I can't believe that there are people who are so petty as to complain that the guy grabbed his bag on his way out of a burning plane. The plane was on fire! Maybe he was in panic mode, and wasn't thinking clearly, and it was force of habit that caused him to grab the thing he had on the plane with him! The most important thing is that no one was killed or seriously injured. People need to not worry about what other people do, anyway. Whose business is it, anyway? Like they said, (so many other people who have posted comments that I"ve read) they were in the back of the plane, and there is more than one exit. Just rejoice in the fact that God spared all those on that flight that day.
    Merry CHRISTmas!

  • Posted By: Jneen @ 12/22/2008 11:27:02 AM

    To Lisa, The Tillys and all the other survivors-Thank God you are all alive and are able to celebrate the Holidays with your loved ones . It could have ended up much more tragically than it did. This is what we should all be focusing on here. Happy Holidays All. Remember to hug all your loved ones and be grateful knowing that they are safe this Holiday season.

  • Posted By: thepilotsmom @ 12/22/2008 11:26:56 AM

    OMG!! The pilot was talking on a phone while laying on a stretcher!!! Let's put aside the enormous stress that he/she went through, IN SECONDS , to try and calculate how to SAVE their passengers and the fact that they were probably the last one to leave the aircraft because this is part of their job description. What are you thinking SANTORINI- that they are privileged -are you insinuating that they shouldn't be on the phone. They probably were answering the beginning of thousands of questions as to what went wrong. Just BE THANKFUL --ALL OF YOU- THAT HUMAN LIVES WERE SAVED!!!! As for Mr Tilley- thanks for the information and your descriptive tale -which is what it only is -your recollection. I prefer to read the Captain's and First Officer's account for the facts. What is missing from this story is what went on in that cockpit--that is where you will find your true HEROES!! Congratulations to all who are responsible for saving the lives on this flight and countless others through clearheaded , selfless thinking. This is what they are trained for. I know first hand. We will probably find out that it was a defect in the aircraft or the weather and that the crew worked together efficiently and effectively. The proof is in the survival rate. Man against machine . In this case , a mammoth of a machine. Again--BE THANKFUL! To all the crew and passengers of Flight 1404, especially the pilots--may GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

  • Posted By: Wonder11 @ 12/22/2008 11:26:20 AM

    Thanks for the blow by blow, too bad Jeb's writing style blew.

  • Posted By: flygirl902 @ 12/22/2008 11:24:49 AM

    I love the dramatics of the passengers. I won't downplay what any of you went through but I disagree that anyone is downplaying what happened (ie the news report). I love how there is no mention of the heroic flight crew (pilots or flight attendants) who undoubtedly saved ALL of your lives and kept injuries to a minimum by utilizing their skills and training. The only mention of them is when they were on back boards. Regardless of how traumatic that experience was you should be thankful for the training and skills of your entire flight crew that saved ALL of your lives. I salute the flight ENTIRE FLIGHT CREW....those men and women who saved your lives.

  • Posted By: LONE @ 12/22/2008 11:23:14 AM

    Manage to grab his bag huh?
    That one second it took for him to grab his bag may have been fatal for the last guy waiting for alll those ahead of him taking a second to grab their bags.
    Sad.
    LONE

  • Posted By: midi @ 12/21/2008 6:16:22 PM

    So you somehow managed to grab your bag?....Tell me sir, how many people were injured becase they were delayed getting out of the plane while you "HAD" to have your bag?.....You should be thrown in jail!!!!!

    • Posted By: edpaz @ 12/21/2008 9:01:57 PM

      Good God, midi!! Is it possible that you ought to be the one punished for yhour comments? Do they still tar and feather people? I am absolutely amazed and thankful that all made it to safety. This could have been a most terrible holiday for hundreds, even thousands if it had been a fatal crash. Now each and every one of those brave people on that plane will enjoy a safe holiday season, no thanks to negative people like you.

      • Posted By: JTilly @ 12/21/2008 10:54:44 PM

        A couple of thoughts about my decision to grab the bag: I was in the last seat on the plane and not holding anyone up. at the time i made the decision the exit nearest me was crammed with people. i though it better to wait my turn than to push into the crowd and struggle to get out. as I waited it occurred to me to grab the bag at my feet. took about 2 seconds. In retrospect i believe it was the right decision. it was 10 degrees outside and we didn't know how far we were from a building. I was able to give my wife a jacket and lend my phone to several people who needed to get in touch with their own loved ones. All things considered the situation seemed best served by clear-headedness, not a rush to the door.

        • Posted By: JTilly @ 12/21/2008 11:30:41 PM

          Hey--- this is the wife. FYI- Approximately half the folks on our trashed/ crashed plane grabbed their bags. These were the bags at their FEET. Nothing in overhead bins was even considered. A lot of folks had jackets, phones, wallets, purses that they had grabbed at their feet and that helped all of us out while we were stranded in the fire house for 2/3 hours. It was 10 degrees outside with a 35 mile an hour wind --- no one had any idea "where" we were exiting the plane. We didnt see the firehouse before we excited.- were we jumping from the plane, how far, running where, etc etc?? Thank god my husband grabbed his jacket--- even with it on I shivered till early morning from adrenaline, cold, etc and was able to share it with other folks who needed it. The level of cooperation and camraderie among all of the people on the plane was amazing.

          • Posted By: bwise @ 12/22/2008 11:20:36 AM

            I'm proud of you for getting away! No worries about idiots who decide the best course of action from their cozy armchairs. How hard would THAT be?? Good for you!!

          • Posted By: bwise @ 12/22/2008 11:19:22 AM

            I'm proud of you for getting away! No worries about idiots who decide the best course of action from their cozy armchairs. How hard would THAT be?? Good for you!!

          • Posted By: glendacoy @ 12/22/2008 10:16:33 AM

            Mr & Mrs. JTilly, you do not have to defend your actions; you did nothing wrong, but you'll never get some of these posters convinced of that. In your heart and mind, you know you did nothing wrong. Merry Christmas.

          • Posted By: housekeeper1963@hotmail.com @ 12/22/2008 8:28:10 AM

            Good for you J tilly.., good for you. You DO NOT have to defend yourself or your actions.., or your husband actions. Merry Christmas to you and your wonderful husband!

  • Posted By: 777Driver @ 12/22/2008 11:19:17 AM

    I was a little worried that so many people were posting comments defending this man's decision to grab his bag. I am now relieved that most people are saying they would not do what this man did. God forbid I ever have to delare an "Easy Victor" and ask my flight attendants to evacuate the cabin, but I can see most of you would do exactly as instructed and would do whatever you could to assure others have the same chance to evacuate that you do. If someone had been seriously injured because this man impeded the orderly evacuation of the cabin, would you all still defend his action?

  • Posted By: leg1980 @ 12/22/2008 10:53:23 AM

    As a former flight attendant I know how people react in emergency situations. The first reaction is denial. Grabbing your bag gives you a sense of normalcy. Obviously, your FA will be screaming, "come this way, leave everything!" but will we take the time to take away everyone's bags and toss them over the wing before exiting - no. Our priority is to get as many people out alive as possible - knowing it could cost us our own lives. If the bag was large and in his hand his FA would have taken it from him and tossed it over the wing as she assisted him onto the slide, but if it was over his shoulder or neck it would have cost valuable seconds. Know that you would probably do no better in this situation and everyone likes to paint themselves as calm and collected. Even the most seasoned emergency professionals seize up in a moment like this. Be thankful that the crew was well trained and everyone survived. It sounds like the airline did try to assist all passengers as well. So kudos to them and God bless the passengers, crew, and support teams that prevented this from being a tragedy. !

    • Posted By: heymomx3 @ 12/22/2008 10:56:25 AM

      thank you for posting this...that is exactly what i was trying to say

      • Posted By: skysmile @ 12/22/2008 11:18:49 AM

        I'm glad I'm not the only FA who cringed when reading he took his bag. Unfortunately passengers never realize how those few seconds of them grabbing their bag affects EVERYONE on the plane...and can mean the difference between life and death for someone at the end of the queue to get out.

  • Posted By: GusinCA @ 12/22/2008 11:15:25 AM

    Sounds like the left landing gear failed, collapsed? Tire blew out? Maybe the left thrust reverser engaged? Maybe an uncommanded full left rudder, as was the case on the 737's a decade ago...

  • Posted By: LONE @ 12/22/2008 11:15:01 AM

    Manage to get his bags huh?
    That one second it may have taken to get his bags may have been fatal for the next guy behind him waiting for all those ahead of him getting their bags.
    RHT

  • Posted By: RWHGrapevine @ 12/22/2008 11:14:16 AM

    Transparency from the Airline, FAA and NTSB is what we ALL expect when an accident occurs. NOT an airline going into Image Damage control. This is great news that everyone is alive. Let's all hold our conclusions until we hear the truth. We have 2 pilots who should know what happened. IF there is a hint of a cover up to protect an airlines image or legal implecation, then we NEED the news to hold everyone accountable....NOT the TRIAL lawyers.

  • Posted By: cwo4gunner @ 12/22/2008 11:14:16 AM

    After 8 years as a police officer and more than 35 as a Marine, I have seen people do remarkable things when others around them panic. Some of them I know very well. One was shot in the eye (and lost it) yet still returned fire (13 out of 15 in his pistol) and then in a calm manner, got on the radio and reported the incident. I choose to believe this guy is one of those and I would like to think that I, too, would also try to protect my wife.

  • Posted By: skysmile @ 12/22/2008 11:14:11 AM

    I'm angered to read that the author "managed to grab his bag". I'm a flight attendant and in an emergency situation like that, leave ALL your stuff behind. Flight attendants are trained to evacuate passengers off an aircraft in about 90 seconds. Bringing a bag (or getting your stuff out of the overhead bin, which happened on the Air France crash at YYZ) slows the evacuation by blocking the aisles, slowing you down as you attempt to manoeuvre through the aisle and it can injure you when you use the escape slides. The author put himself and others at risk for what? A cellphone, a sweater and a jacket. In this particular situation, the crash was at an airport, air traffic controllers would have already notified the emergency services...the author wasn't at risk of dying of exposure but he still took the time to bring unnecessary items. Perhaps in a more remote environment it would have been necessary but in this particular situation, this passenger made absolutely the wrong decision and endangered those around him.

    In an evacuation, just get out of the plane!!!

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