A ‘No More Excuses’ Christmas?

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  • Posted By: Leena @ 12/29/2008 1:11:58 PM

    I find this article highly irritating, ridiculous and far reaching in making general statements. It???s also insulting to blacks.
    As an educated black woman I hardly need to look to Obama (who I admire and did vote for) to all of a sudden say "I have no more excuses." Racism exists and society sometimes sucks but it NEVER gave me an excuse not to step up to the plate and deal with it.

    Only now may black kids realize their potential?? Or only now do they realize they can have better role models?? Get real, that is such a cop-out and part of the problem.

    Excuses are and always have been the tools of incompetence. And I have to believe that more blacks realize that fact than this sad article portrays.

  • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/23/2008 12:12:42 PM

    The parasites that live off the state will always have excuses not matter what flavor of man they are or what color their rulers are.

    • Posted By: vmwooten @ 12/24/2008 3:13:57 PM

      Let me just say this to you Mr. Smith: I will be the first to say that people have to work on their own issues. However, if you do not understand how public policy affects socio economic conditions, you are grossly uninformed. Just look at one issue that is currently right before us reported in the media. CEO's are poised to make six and seven figure bonuses and salaries while certain members of congress our asking wage earners in the automotive unions to take pay cuts. There are no laws whatsoever to prevent CEO???s from taking these ridiculous salaries and bonuses. Stockholders hardly have a say in these compensation levels. Uneven policies like this exist throughout our entire system. Persons in power have the wherewithal to lobby and shape policies to benefit them. Another example is the fact that real estate taxes determine the funding available for schools. This is an inherent inequality that is built into our legal structure. Unfortunately these issues are rarely discussed and yet determine the level of wealth, quality of education and other resources distributions among various communities. As long as we can point to poor people and blame them for their own problems we don't have to fix the policies that help perpetuate poverty.

      • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/29/2008 9:05:21 AM

        I don???t point to poor people. I point to the very thing that causes all the major problems in the world, the state. Many corporations (a creation of the state) are parasites as well that suck money (via the state) from taxpayers.

      • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 12/29/2008 9:03:19 AM

        I don't point to poor people. I point to the very thing that causes all the major problems in the world, the state.

      • Posted By: ltnelson @ 12/24/2008 9:39:31 PM

        In California at least, compensation to students is equal across the state. Of course, now that compensation is equal and performance is still lower in poor areas, there are calls that there should be MORE compensation per student in poor areas! Give 'em and inch...

        CEO pay is determined by the market. If a company thinks somebody with good performance might leave for another company, they offer them more and more money. Just like athletes. Union workers set their wages by extortion. And nobody would be telling the unions to accept wage cuts if their companies were profitable! But they are asking for a handout - for ME to pay THEM. So I have every right to tell them I am not bailing them out if their wages are unreasonable!

  • Posted By: jemstar730 @ 12/28/2008 10:15:36 PM

    I believe the point is that couples are interested and willing to get married, through a program or idea with which they connect. The grammar here is irrelevant. These couples need to set a standard and strong foundation for themselves and especially their children.

    There are a host of reasons why couples have children and decide to get married. You can salute the ones who decide to take the plunge for themselves and/ or their kids.

    P.S. Women having children out of wedlock probably has more relevance to education and resources than it does to binding a man down. Although I understand your point, there is more to it than we can probably understand or care to.

  • Posted By: DesRose @ 12/28/2008 3:59:14 PM

    Marry Your Baby Daddy?

    When did it become acceptable to use poor grammar to promote bettering oneself?

    Please. Think about it.

    Our foremothers fought long and hard for women's rights. Now they are being slapped in the face by women who have child after child out of wedlock. You would think that by the time the first one is born they would figure out that they cannot bind a man to them just because they have his child. It is so obviously irresponsible.

    Don't think I am letting the men off the hook either. They need to be shown that they look more like fools than studs when they continue to father children they have no plans on supporting monetarily or emotionally.

    Many resources and plans have been used and failed to get different points across. They do not seem to work. What happened to Planned Parenthood? What happened to the movements to curb the population explosion? They seem to have all gone by the wayside. (Except in China and I don't condone their methods)

    Rewarding people with a free wedding is like the old adage about closing the gate AFTER the horse is out..

  • Posted By: Kaelinda @ 12/25/2008 5:59:14 PM

    NotForYou: You are SO right! One of the things about Obama that impresses me is that he never got angry or alienated during his childhood. I guess we can thank his mother and grandmother for that. But striving to do better, to better oneself and to encourage one's children to do even better than we do, is a trait that blacks and whites (and orientals and hispanics and everyone else) should have in common. Unfortunately, there are greedy, selfish, unprincipled men and women of both races, and one way or another, the rest of society pays for their incivility and just plain evil.

  • Posted By: 2ACLSR53 @ 12/25/2008 7:11:52 AM

    This is a wonderful article that is needed, but the absence of GOD in our lives is THE major contributing factor in our lives of apathy and "anything will do" mentality. We, as a whole, say we believe in God but do not attend church and that means that our children do not either and being married is what God dictates, so it is easy to skirt HIS will and the attached commitment by delaying it and not caring about the children, for getting married boost their esteem and self-worth, too! And that starts the ball to rolling as being an example to our children and their other kin and friends. Settling or " a piece of man (or woman) is better than none at all", is dead!!!
    the Obama's example of being God-fearing and married and sexy has resonated in.Chicago for years and far outside of Illinois. Now they are on the national scale, excuse me, world stage, and it all fits so flawlessly.
    Sisters, demand it not just for yourselves
    also, you stated that," They have the will to marry, but just aren't motivated.", but I feel that they have the power, but NOT the will to get maried, basically for te same reason as afore=mentioned, no God, no true commitment.

  • Posted By: bleeblarblar @ 12/25/2008 4:47:47 AM

    Change MUST come from within the community. That is the ONLY way change will occur.
    And I agree with the author Maryann Reid, the single biggest action that the community can take to affect the most is for black men to stand up to their responsibilities as fathers.
    Blame and being a constant victim will assure no progress.
    These are tough words because the responsibility is on the individual.

  • Posted By: NotForYou @ 12/25/2008 2:07:37 AM

    zephyr78, You probably don't remember what it's like to be a child. The fact that you are not married will hang like a shadow over your kid's heads if you believe so or not. Kids will destroy each other with taunts over any difference or deficiency they detect. As if that's not bad enough your kids themselves may now or later internalize this difference/deficiency and come to think less of themselves and you also.

    This has nothing to do with what you believe about absolute values or moral relativism. The fact is that both exist out in the real world and will be enforced instrumentally by those around us for their advantage. I'm not saying all people are like this but enough are. You never know when one will be your boss, professor, friend, etc, and by the time

    There is something to be said about doing the MOST for your kids. The Ghetto is a race to the bottom. I know, I lived there and visit for the holidays every year. I have never forgotten and I have the membership to judge it. All this pressure that kids and adults put on their peers to force them into the average is energy badly spent. This is not a new concept just look at it as a different flavor of keeping up with the Jones. Out of the many random and unpredictable hardships that fall on anyone why voluntarily add one more? I rarely ever comment on blogs. Usually nothing ever merits aspiring to a grain of salt. Internet talk is cheap and hiding behind a keyboard apparently is like meth for passive aggressives. With that said pay no mind to any of this but I will advise one thing: Teach your kids to defeat swipes coercing the average and focus on their longer term future. Kids can't conceive of future choices past next week.

    I do not take yanky48's view. It is typical of sheltered, defensive, and greedy "whites" and their only justification is that they exploited this land first. That's not quite a moral victory on their part, it's like being the first thief. A country continues to be built on the backs of the oppressed and it's not dominant culture's exclusive right to own or lead it. Aimless seething indignation for crimes past, present, and future on minorities is not enough.

    Let the whites Prada and Gucci each other into irrelevance. Ghetto culture should not aspire to dominant culture, it can go past it. Look at their wonderful self-deceit with the mortgage mess. Don't compete for parity compete to succeed it. They have all means in the world at their disposal and look what they choose to do with it. This is nothing against dominant culture, they are free to turn themselves around. The first step is to stop buying into and self-enforcing their version of ourselves.

    I guess in short: Strengthen your family, demand better schools, and ignore those who say you can't become. Otherwise why did we go through the trouble of electing Barak Obama? Self help is a must. We can't just rest on our laurels no matter how long or how hard the fight was to get them.

  • Posted By: tocnwth @ 12/24/2008 10:30:07 PM

    All people should marry if they have children. I do not care if they are white, black, brown, yellow, blue or purple, if they have children they should marry and take care of them as a family.
    IIf the man thought he was going to have 5 minutes of fun and that would be be end of it then they should take him out ot an oak stump and nail his private to it and wald away, I do not care what color they are.
    They have a responsibility to help take care of the child.

    • Posted By: Jumpingnots @ 12/25/2008 1:38:15 AM

      That's right if you as an man am good enough to make the children you should dem well take care of them and give them a familie live with love .But most of those guy's take the easy way out, they feel as long as I stay away from marrieage I can move out of the picture the easy way, they really don't like to have that responsible feeling,that's our big problem iin this country,there should be a better law. 70% of kids born out of wedlock is an disgrace for our country.

  • Posted By: SNC-TN-DocSmith @ 12/25/2008 1:35:18 AM

    When will Americans learn? As I recently wrote in an article I titled "The Colors of Freedom: Black & White" it is long past time for the black and white communities to stop buying into the garbage that we have been fed which leads us to believe we cannot function as neighbors, friends, coworkers and yes, even family. The fact is, relations between black and white in the South being one of confortable familiarity, to the point in many cases of familial bonding, date back to long before the War of Northern Agression. What I find interesting in "MrYanky's" comments, is that his obvious bigotry based on skin color is precisely the sort of racist viewpoints held by NORTHERNERS against BLACKS since the first slave ships arrived from the African Continent. Why didn't the slaves rise up and revolt, or even walk away from the plantations in the vast numbers expected by the North and the Lincoln Administration? Read the "Slave Narrratives" and see for yourself.
    Here is what I know for sure. Our leaders in Washington have known that the day was coming when their fiscal mismanagement (to put it ever so mildly) would lead to the nation's collapse. They are counting on us to fight against one another. How many thousands, or millions will die in American streets from simple lack of every day needs, when some bigot like MrYanky here could have reached out to help? How many will perish needlessly because we as ONE PEOPLE continue to buy into this imaginary divisiveness that says we are so vastly different. Are we? Do we not want the very same things? A comfortable home, a good education for our children, quality HEALTH care (as opposed to the current system of "sick care") opportunities equal to our own abilities, and a chance to know true peace. Oh, and I'm white by the way. Does that really matter? If it does... the pity.

  • Posted By: zephyr78 @ 12/25/2008 12:01:39 AM

    I have to say that I really don't understand the focus on a piece of paper (marriage cert). And I am ashamed that the writer's friend was made to feel bad simply because she was not married to her partner when by all accounts they had a happy and productive family. I am not married to the father of my children and we live together and raise our children in a loving home. The focus put on having a piece of paper to somehow legitimize a relationship is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. We are not getting married because we do not choose to do so and I know several people who are doing the same thing and that doesn't make them less responsible parents or people. It simply makes them people who realize that the important things in a relationship are love and respect and I haven't seen a piece of paper yet that can make stable family out of an unstable one or responsible parents out of irresponsible ones. Shouldn't the focus be on stability for the children (which isn't provided by a piece of paper from the state) rather than on forcing people into what some believe a cookie-cutter family should be like? BTW has the writer ever looked at divoce rates in this country? A marriage cert. is about as valuable and endurable as the piece of paper it is printed upon. What it all comes down to is LOVING and RESPECTING your family, nothing more. My family doesn't need a piece of paper to tell us what the right thing to do for our children is and I think that is the case fo a lot of families.

    • Posted By: vvm77 @ 12/25/2008 1:33:31 AM

      my sentiments exactly, zephyr! Nothing wrong with marriage, but that is not what makes a stable, loving family! That is up to the parents, married or unmarried!

  • Posted By: musbmona35 @ 12/25/2008 12:59:37 AM

    Mr. Yanky48, you have my deepest sympathies. It is not your fault that you are unable to know the hope of a people who have and do face daily challenges of trying to overcome the racial stigmas that you have so ungraciously described. It is not easy to endure the humiliation and most times substandard housing and financial assistance that is the sole means of livelihood for whites, black, hispanic, and other people who find themselves in need of these services. Hooray for you- after your years of education, you walk away without a sense of empathy for your fellow man, woman, or child. In the spirit of this special season and time of change; God bless you and have mercy.

  • Posted By: yanky48 @ 12/25/2008 12:12:35 AM

    First, as a white male i find it amusing that black people think that because we now have a black President that things have changed. In fact, they have not, at least not in my eye. The fact that a black man is now President Elect does not change my view of black people. As many white people and blacks will find out you can put a black man in the White House but it will do nothing to change they're values, morals and culture. It's just another black family living in government housing. Most blacks will continue to be criminals, worthless trash that are always looking for a handout due to white people feeling guilty about slavery. If the government kept giving me a check each month for doing nothing i would be right where they are today. Without an education and proper upbringing what can we expect from the average black male? Another Kanya West?

  • Posted By: MackD33 @ 12/24/2008 4:51:56 PM

    your article is about as ridiculous as the comment by robertkjjj. There are many "factors" as to the state of the Black Communities mindset and actions. Racism , historical and current , is just the main instigatator that continues to keep our actions and mentality in a "slavery state". Obama being elected as president is only a testament to a fact that Black people have known all along: given the chance we are no better or worse than any other people. Now it will be up to america to disprove that other known fact among Black people. When we get high prestige jobs, we are judged on much stricter factors than other people. As for no longer having an excuse for not getting marriiage. there are many more Black married couples that are role models in our communities than you let on in your article. There are also many, loving, unmarried couples in the Black community that are also role models to young children. There are many reasons that some couples do not get married and they are not looking for excuses.Don't play into the whole all they see is Pimps and ho's. Where do you live? Ask others like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie if they now "no longer have excuses"

    • Posted By: kennlp @ 12/24/2008 5:29:06 PM

      Racism my butt, 90% of african americans I arrest for whatever pull the "race card" " oh, you stopped me cause I'm black" No, I stopped you for the same reason I stopped that white guy yesterday, you committed a crime. The african americans I see daily are more racist than than any white person I have EVER run into.

      • Posted By: bobningo @ 12/24/2008 11:43:20 PM

        The comment you just entered is politically incorrect-correct ? Its sad that people cannot speak the truth.WE MIGHT HURT THE AA`S FEELINGS. PLEASE DON`T ENTER COMMENYS LIKE THAT AGAIN.

  • Posted By: ploughman @ 12/24/2008 11:28:15 PM

    Some things the government indeed can't do, but I hope Obama follows through on his promises in areas of economic justice and once again respecting the dignity of hard work not just for black families, but for all families. The unemployment numbers of recent years mask a story where good jobs have left and been replaced by non-living-wage McJobs where even two earners can't support a family. A company like Wal-Mart would only have to raise prices 0.5% for each additional dollar per hour paid, but those types of jobs would be exponentially more valuable to communities if they paid a living wage. There would also be higher morale and far less turnover. More money needs to flow to the bottom to get the economy going again...putting more at the top, as under Bush, just means more hoarding and bubbles. In an economy like this, though, people might think getting married could be delayed if their job is constantly under threat, and even if they had money for a mortgage the bank likely wouldn't give them one, anyway. It'll take awhile to turn all that around. .

  • Posted By: jbandit9 @ 12/24/2008 2:19:53 PM

    These people always have a good Christmas, they have FOOD STAMPS, WELFARE, FREE RENT AND UTILITIES. so what else do they have to spend their DRUG money on but Christmas.

    • Posted By: marinabreeze @ 12/24/2008 10:36:07 PM

      I'm black, and the last time I checked, I have a JOB and bills to pay with NO help from government. And as far as drug money is concerned, I've known people of various races and far and away most of the people I've come across on drugs are WHITE.

  • Posted By: caribbeanfever @ 12/24/2008 9:43:12 PM

    Dribble. That's all I have to say about this article.

  • Posted By: caribbeanfever @ 12/24/2008 9:42:16 PM

    Dribble. That's all I have to say about this article.

  • Posted By: pochanike @ 12/24/2008 9:31:16 PM

    this article was horrible. thanks for helping everyone blanket stereotype black people... because you know... they couldnt do it on their own

  • Posted By: Missouri observer @ 12/24/2008 9:14:08 PM

    Obama isn't the new "black president-elect", he's the new American president-elect. Trying to tie him into "Marry Your Baby Daddy" is the strangest, most insulting thing I've ever read. Of all the problems BushCo has graciously left on Obama's plate, unmarried black couples should be last on his list of things to worry about. But we agree on one thing: 2009 will be a year of no more excuses. Bush is cruising off into retirement and it's time to get busy fixin' the numerous messes he's left in his wake.

    • Posted By: ltnelson @ 12/24/2008 9:30:57 PM

      Bush left the problem? Give me a break.

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